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Honestly this post

 

 

 

Going back and reading Cory, if I read you alone I come up with villager.  Does that mean I drop the vibe from Laine altogether?  No, but it does put you higher on my list. <3  I really like these recent points on Pral.  I think I was taken in by his early posting, but this response he just posted:

 

And, that's how you got the cop killed in that game. I am not taunting here, but you tend to have a massive confirmation bias in trying to read me and that is annoying to see every game. You basically try to come up with reasons to look at me as scum and then end with with nonsensical reasons how my playstyle is different this game as compared to the previous. The only common thing about my games is that I am a low-poster D1 and D2. 

 

The reason for that is that I hate D1s. I find it extremely difficult to catch up 15+ pages per day. Hence, I tend to be more active and effective D3+ when the post count has toned down, when I have more information due to flips and wagons etc. D1 is all about tone/meta based reasoning which in most cases is just erroneous and like a dart thrown around. So, if I am inactive D1 it is by preference and not necessarily based on alignment. 

 

Have at it however you want but that is how I play.

 

The problem is that your playstyle doesn't keep you from ever randing wolf. You can lecture me on how you were a villager in Ragnarok, but I've seen games where you've gone deep as a wolf despite contributing very little and players just went "Oh it's just Pral being Pral".

 

You don't get a free villager read for being you, and other players are more villagery for you, so exactly why do you deserve to be higher in my PoE?

 

If you think D1 is erroneous or meaningless I have no idea what to tell you. I have something like a ~60% d1 wolf lynch rate, and games where villages lynch wolves on d1 end in village victories a very good clip of the time because there is a great deal to glean from it.

 

Why are you a villager, Pral? Besides that this is "how you always play". I don't care at all how you play, I care about whether or not you are a villager. Capiche?

 

 

 

Like you are basically saying "I deserve to get a pass on d1 and d2 because I don't think those days are important"

 

Why do you deserve to live more than people trying on d1 and d2 Pral? What makes you exempt from the rules everyone else lives by in this game?

 

 

 

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

 

I ask you this because your activity becomes a talking point in ~every game. And people often use that as an excuse to vote you. Take Cory as an example. I have already posted for you a snippet of what Cory thinks about activity AS A WOLF. When he is scum, he likes to "kill the smart, active villagers above all else..." It stands to reason that as Town he would want to lynch the dumb or inactive villagers in lieu of a better scum read. It also stands to reason that as wolf he could find himself getting stuck pushing on inactive users when he doesn't think he can get the mislynch he is looking for.

 

TLDR - If I could get you to post more and be more active and, in general, make yourself an unlynchable Townie that would be great. If you're a wolf I will be upset with you this game but ask you to accommodate this request in future Town games.

 

 

 

 

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

The reason I am inactive on D1 is because I have a hard time catching up with the pace of the game. The game content massively reduces from D2 onwards and that is when I am more active - also due to better information available. I have been getting killed either by town or by 3rd party by D2 in all the recent games and that is probably one of the reasons for my annoyance.

 

 

Is scummy.  Game content doesn't massively reduce from D2 onwards.  It can become more focused, but with quotes, and people having better arguments and more evidence to base those arguments off of, will be longer.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Pral

 

 

 

makes me feel pretty comfortable calling you town, because I grasp your thought process and scum!Hallia doesn't have one.

 

 

Is this in regards to her thought process on Cory or on Pral?  I don't see anything remotely good about her thought process there - the game, in fact, DOES reduce on D2 onwards because there's less people talking...and even if it didn't, how is that point worth voting him for?  

 

Several of the things Hallia's done this game seemed far more likely to come from her as town than mafia.  I highlighted earlier why I was extremely confident early on she was town.  But that vote - and the reasoning - are not good at all IMO

 

Agree completely

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Random thoughts from EOD... Rack asks for suspects to shoot and is given Sooh and Pral... Why not Lenlo, who was the counter train. Maybe I need to reevaluate Lenlo again, why weren't Soon/Pral serious cw?

Pral and Sooh were the options he gave us. He was not interested in shooting Lenlo. I suppose if we were all "omg no shoot Lenlo" he might have moved, but I would have been fine with a Pral lynch yesterday anyway.

 

Sure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rack - you said that you completely misremembered the interactions, and that's why you unvoted, especially regarding Zander's vote. Why did you not fact check yourself after I made my post refuting your argument?

Because I thought I was right. When people started asking for evidence I went back and looked just to give evidence. So that's when I discovered I was wrong.

 

 

so basically you made something up, voted me for said imaginary thing, go on and on about it and then wont tell anyone who else youre sussing because "you play your cards close to your chest??

 

in what universe does a towny do that man???!!!

 

yeah i feel pretty good with my WTL lynch

 

Lenlo

Dice

Rack

 

 

get wrecked wolves

 

I didn't make stuff up. Well I guess I technically did but it wasn't malicious or anything. As for the holding info for myself, that's just how I play. Especially since I don't feel as though I have particularly strong reads on anyone at the moment.

 

 

 

 

Rack - you said that you completely misremembered the interactions, and that's why you unvoted, especially regarding Zander's vote. Why did you not fact check yourself after I made my post refuting your argument?

Because I thought I was right. When people started asking for evidence I went back and looked just to give evidence. So that's when I discovered I was wrong.

 

Sure, I get that - but I was basically challenging you for the same evidence.    I wrote three paragraphs explaining why I thought your case was flawed, and you responded to me with an equally long post.  You responded to my argument about the vote with this:

 

 

 

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

 

I could maybe see you writing the original case from the top of your head, but I have a hard time believing that you responded to my points without checking anything and it just happens to be what you failed to remember correctly.  That response above seems pretty damn sure to me.  If this is truly a case of you just failing to remember correctly, you did it stunningly badly.

 

Fair point, I actually just went to Nolder's posts and looked back just at the vote posts for that which is why I was still misremembering the context of what other people were saying at the time.

 

So with Zander off the table, assuming you're not going to vote for yourself, which of the other lynches do you feel best about?

 

Well since I'm about to get lynched most likely I'm just gonna lay it all on the table here. As for my reads, none are particularly strong but:

 

Sooh came off as weird to me when being pressured. I don't think she handled it well and it seemed kind of scummy to me.

Cory seems off to me this game but it's a total gut read.

I still think Lenlo responded to the random early game pressure poorly but people have implied/said that he isn't the most well regarded person on this forum so I could see someone like that reacting poorly to pressure.

 

As for some people I feel good about:

Nomi for trying to delay the hammer. I think this was a very pro town move as I don't think scum would be rushing to stop a hammer on a townie before said townie can get on to speak.

You Clov, because you've been one of the more active people when it comes to questioning and you've seemed very townie to me.

I kinda like Shad too, but it's mostly a gut thing.

 

Everyone else falls on a range of neutral or I barely remember their posts so those are the only real thoughts I have. Now for the more interesting part I guess. My role is that I can shoot someone when I get lynched. Right now I'm leaning Sooh since I think my lynch is inevitable at this point. I'm gonna go ahead and let me people try to persuade me on who to kill as well but just know that I may or may not listen. I feel like I've answered all the questions I can about the Zander thing and I've been nothing but honest about the entire situation but I understand the votes though. I'll come back and try to be better next game.

 

 

 

I will say that I'm surprised nobody has offered any input on my kill in the event that I do get lynched

 

 

 

 

I will say that I'm surprised nobody has offered any input on my kill in the event that I do get lynched

What does this mean?

 

 

 

 

 

I will say that I'm surprised nobody has offered any input on my kill in the event that I do get lynched

What does this mean?

I role claimed in my one post earlier. When I die I get to kill someone and I said I was leaning towards Sooh but I was welcoming input.

 

 

 

Rack if you are somehow bomb please kill Pral

 

What also accept BFG or Lenlo

 

But bomb is such a Walter football thing and I've never seen it on Dragonmount

 

 

 

[v]Pral[/v]

 

 

 

Do we have enough to swing over to Pral

 

 

 

Pral stopped caring again the moment I gave him space

 

He ONLY engaged the game to combat my read on him afaict

 

I'd be surprised if he was a villager

 

 

 

If Rack is v and dies who is he killing? If there is one discussion that is not optional right now it is this one.

 

 

 

Pral or Sooh are both acceptable options. There's another but I know none of you would ever agree to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Edited to fix quote tags

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

See you just don't like my posts. you don't know how to read them, but you've decided you don't like them.

 

Marvelous.

 

Do better.

[Cory Caboose]

Just like everyone else, as usual, I wish I were dead this game.

 

I apologize for living past my desired expiration date.

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Never mind, can't find the problem with the quote tags

[BFG]

See you just don't like my posts. you don't know how to read them, but you've decided you don't like them.

 

Marvelous.

 

Do better.

I don't know whether I believe the frustration or not.

[Sili Quirrels]

Cory why are you an island this game? You tend to unify the town by considering their reads and making well informed decisions if not sheeping whole heartedly. You have in my experience been a wolf when you dont care as much about your town core or leading said core. Did you achieve anything day 1 eod even?

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I think BFG is either a villager or trying to level me because she knows it's worked before.

 

I withdraw from reading that slot and will defer to someone who is less emotionally involved

I don't think I've ever levelled you as mafia before?

[Sili Quirrels]

Everyone disagrees with you to some extent on dice. You cleared him once and havent bothered to reconsider despite a number of your townreads disagreeing.

 

Can u understand how this unnerves me?

[Clovdyx]

If you're town, I need you to believe in the me that believes in me.

[Sili Quirrels]

And cory i cant shake thenotion ud have hounded me for being afk starting today.

[Clovdyx]

Everyone disagrees with you to some extent on dice. You cleared him once and havent bothered to reconsider despite a number of your townreads disagreeing.

 

Can u understand how this unnerves me?

 

I don't disagree with him, unless you mean I'm not going to white knight Dice the rest of the game.  I believe Dice is far more likely to be a townie than mafia at this point.  If I have any concerns about Dice, it's because three of my bottom candidates from before are dead townies, and the one that I was completely null on is looking incredibly town to me this phase.

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I take back my suspicion on Cory actually. I've had time to think and I don't think that's the way to go today.

 

I need to go back and read pretty much everyone and everything, but I feel fairly relaxed at the moment about Shad and BFG at least. In terms of suspects I would say Hallia once again stands out for content or lack thereof. I need to read a few others in ISO. 

 

How does everyone feel about Clov?

 

Ok

Why am I such a strong read now?

and ok (probably)

 

 

What have you done this game that is so impressive and mighty, Shad?

 

What's your great amazing contribution that you can hang your hat on?

Bad.

 

Don't belittle someone who is actually putting in effort and work. You can claim to disagree but he is contributing. And this post is pure cancerous negativity that does not advance the game.

 

[v]Corlanna[/v]

 

 

Policy vote? Is it scummy?

 

I'm not belittling him, I'm asking why he is disappointed in me.

 

Yates we are playing a yelling game on the internet. Please do not forget that

 

 

Anyways the reason I thought you never believed Cory was actually mafia is because you seemed entirely prepared to strong up Lenlo during the night phase. As I said before, Lenlo-Cory should never be partners this game.

 

For you to suddenly be scum reading Cory. You either abandoned your read on Len or somehow thought they were bussing each other.

 

The latter iI don't see you ever thinking. The former isn't impossible, but it would have pretty much required a peek, and who tries to case the person their viewing in the middle of the night? Best case scenario, you waste effort (or the peek). You also run the risk of catching a bullet if you're right

 

Why disarm the question?

 

 

I'm not belittling him, I'm asking why he is disappointed in me.

 

Yates we are playing a yelling game on the internet. Please do not forget that

Okay. But I want this to be a nice Town to live in. Please do not forget that.

 

 

So what's your actual read or Corlanna?

 

 

 

Anyways the reason I thought you never believed Cory was actually mafia is because you seemed entirely prepared to strong up Lenlo during the night phase. As I said before, Lenlo-Cory should never be partners this game.

 

For you to suddenly be scum reading Cory. You either abandoned your read on Len or somehow thought they were bussing each other.

 

The latter iI don't see you ever thinking. The former isn't impossible, but it would have pretty much required a peek, and who tries to case the person their viewing in the middle of the night? Best case scenario, you waste effort (or the peek). You also run the risk of catching a bullet if you're right

I read BFG's case on Corlanna during lunch. I liked it and said so in the thread. There was no process in terms of who I thought they could be scum with at that point. During the rest of the day I mulled it over in my head while teaching classes, I came back and read the thread and changed my mind on that slot.

 

Ok :)

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If you're town, I need you to believe in the me that believes in me.

???

 

Who?

[Clovdyx]

 

If you're town, I need you to believe in the me that believes in me.

???

 

Who?

 

 

Cory.

 

I don't know what you mean about disarming the question.

[Cory Caboose]

I'll talk more when I'm off the road

 

As fun as it is to endanger my life

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Everyone disagrees with you to some extent on dice. You cleared him once and havent bothered to reconsider despite a number of your townreads disagreeing.

 

Can u understand how this unnerves me?

I don't disagree with him, unless you mean I'm not going to white knight Dice the rest of the game. I believe Dice is far more likely to be a townie than mafia at this point. If I have any concerns about Dice, it's because three of my bottom candidates from before are dead townies, and the one that I was completely null on is looking incredibly town to me this phase.

I dont think corys cleared u ? But i forget. Anyway i have not seen a consensus opinion on dice.

[BFG]

I'll talk more when I'm off the road

 

As fun as it is to endanger my life

Drive safely :)

[Clovdyx]

...I don't see how that relates to literally anything I said, Sili.  You implied that everybody thinks Dice is scum (or at least they don't have him as town, I guess).  I was refuting this claim.  Cory's read of me doesn't factor into what I think of Dice in any way.

[BFG]

 

 

If you're town, I need you to believe in the me that believes in me.

???

 

Who?

 

 

Cory.

 

I don't know what you mean about disarming the question.

 

You asked Sooh her read on Lenlo, why then point out that it should be conditional on her early opinion?

[Sili Quirrels]

U didnt rd my posts then. Connect the dots get back to me if u want but it dies make sense. On mobile so my patience is limited.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

If you're town, I need you to believe in the me that believes in me.

???

 

Who?

 

 

Cory.

 

I don't know what you mean about disarming the question.

 

You asked Sooh her read on Lenlo, why then point out that it should be conditional on her early opinion?

 

 

....Because I asked her about a read she didn't have?  I guess I could have slowplayed it and let her trip herself up, but I got pretty impulsive and wanted to point out how her progression this phase didn't make any damn sense.  

 

If she was concerned with explaining, I figured I would have gotten more from her than "I'm intrigued."

[Cory Caboose]

 

I'll talk more when I'm off the road

 

As fun as it is to endanger my life

Drive safely :)

 

 

[BFG]

Hmmmm. This morning exchange between Shad and Cory is making me rethink the villaread on Cory. In combination with the scummy vibes from Alanna I will trust myself and

[v] Corlanna [/v]

Why?

[BFG]

 

 

I'll talk more when I'm off the road

 

As fun as it is to endanger my life

Drive safely :)