Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Nynaeve]

He gave up after Kiv's push, though. Before that he was up and about defending Shad and not making a move against Calder either. All he did was comment about me jumping in when it wasn't needed and being antagonistic. The only time I felt like he was seizing an opportunity was when Kivam pushed me. Do you see what I'm getting at? There were pages and pages of Shad/Calder.... and all he had to say was.... man, Nyn seems out of her town meta.

[Nynaeve]

Ok I agree with that...but what if Shad had been lynched and flipped mafia? Would I not come out of that looking worse since we're assuming that in that instance Crusher would come out looking like the townie?

 

Yes, it would. But I also think there was a small chance that Shad would have gotten lynched over Crusher. Debatable, of course. But that's how I feel. Crusher looked a lot worse at that point, from my POV (and I said as much).

 

Still... good observation.

[Nynaeve]

Gonna be ISOing Calder soon, I think. 

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

@ Alanna.....you didnt even say hi to me.....

I'm sorry dear! Running on no sleep and no food right now

 

I'm glad to see you here and posting though

 

 

 

 

Once again "attacking your attackers" is not pushing.

 

Why?

You attacking Calder comes off more as defending than anything else and the view is biased.

 

I would like some cases on the others that are less clouded by Calder in general?

 

okay gtg for now, schoolwork

 

Assume for a moment that I was not defending myself and reread it.  I could have let the conversation drop a hundred times over.  I think he is scum.

I'm not trying to attack you for your read because I'm not caught up, but this game is about appearances. Even though you intend things to be read one way, it's hard for other people to accurately read two players going at each other like you to have been and comes off as you defending rather than scumhunting

 

Also, you haven't mentioned your awesome add to my siggy

 

 

 

My god it made it in there after all.  I thought it wouldn't after I won. 

 

I kept thinking PF Kivam the whole time I was arguing with Calder.  Kiv's approach in that game was to constantly misrepresent the person he was arguing with in a way to make them look opportunistic or defensive.  It was fairly effective, somehow.  At least, it took both of us plus him self-voting to secure the lynch.  <_<  I feel like Calder was doing the same thing, and I called him out for it continuously.  The fact that no one else is seeing it that way means he's either good at it or I'm wrong and there was some absurdly persistent miscommunication between us.  I'm generally worried that the former is the case and people aren't digging into the actual exchange because it's easier to accept a surface vibe that Calder's calling me out and I'm desperately defending.  The fact is if I wanted to defend myself I should have been able to end this a long time ago regardless of alignment.  I am either town pushing a player I honestly think is scum, or I'm scum failing hard at a mislynch/faking a tunnel.

Don't rub it in, Shad. It's true regardless

 

The bottom section, I kinda get that feeling from Calder though and that bothers me. There's been very few posts that he's feel genuine. I also remember reading from PF that you were uncomfortable pushing town lynches because it would show you as mafia when they flipped. Zander, if you don't trust my peek, trust that I'm seeing the right things here.

 

 

 

Turned off?  What? 

 

You seemed to have gotten very serious ever since Kiv pushed you. I'm not sure what it means. But you're sticking to that vote on Kiv, even though he showed he didn't say what you're claiming he did about your meta. 

 

Maybe your sugar levels are low. You should eat a cookie.

Am I turned off or serious?  Anyhow Doggin, NYN, Clov...aj..thane, hallia...lane,nolder, Dice. I think the Calder/Chad thing is likely town on town.  Guessing but that is the vibe.

Nyn/Kiv how does Crusher distribute his teammates?

 

it's not in Laine's court, necessarily

Just noting this, especially seeing as Thane never voted, nor do I recall him taking much of a stance.

 

 

 

 

...WWSD?

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

Ball's in your court, Laine.

SOAB

 

 

Alanna even though Clov's intelligence is beyond our mortal comprehension both of your pocketed players are voting Shad,,,believe in the me that believes in the you.

Awwww <3 Pocket buddies!

But... wasn't Crusher the scum one?

LOL

 

Thane....you didnt vote....

indeed. I stick with it too. Trains too easy, doesn't feel right.

 

i think we have to stay quiet now (no night chat?)

Ew.

[alannalynn]

 

 

 

Laine, go look at calders reactions as crush started pulling close to then past shad. Also, look at the timing of where calder flipped from voting shad to pounding the drum for his lynch. On mobile so not going back, but i noted the shift while it happened and townread the hell out of him to improve my chances of surviving the night. With shad confirmed town by my peek, the conclusion is even stronger

I was beating the drum for Shad's lynch since like page 3. Even when i temporarily unvoted and then revoted for him i believe he still had more votes than Crusher without me. But, lets consider your point anyway. In your mind i pushed Shad hard to divert attention away from the growing pressure on Crusher.

If i am so concerned about protecting Crusher than why wouldn't i have been active at EoD. I was not on for hours prior to EoD. I had my vote on Shad and it was obvious when i left it was going to come out close and that it would prob be crusher since it was trending up. So if i am in your mind motivated by a need to get a townie lynched instead of Crusher, then why would i not bother being active during the crucial hours needed to sway the vote?

This post isn't sitting well with me and I can't pinpoint why. Maybe it feels ~overdone?

Kivam has decided i am scum already and is just trying to pull together a story that makes it look like i am guilty. But, as a i posted above the actual events don't support his theory. If he had come out and said he just needs to lynch one of me and Shad for info and trusts me less i could respect that. But, not this pathetic theory.

Isn't it your job to prove you are town?

 

I could actually WTL Calder/Nolder/Thane

 

Hallia looked ~better with the pages I read

[Calder]

Last time i checked this was Murica. Where your innocent until proven guilty like God intended.

[alannalynn]

 

@Nolder: why do you have Calder so high?

I believe his thing with Shad was town on town violence.

My read on him is based entirely on their interactions.

 

FTR my list isn't in any order, you're either in one category or another.

The underlined makes more sense; do you have an ordered list though?

How are you getting town!Calder?

 

 

What do you mean by this? Shad is locktown? Or Calder is locktown? Being that Shad is my peek, I agree to him being town, but if you mean Calder, then no.

Yes I was referring to Shad as locktown.

I think there is a very very high chance Calder is town as well which is why I put him on my town list.

:dry:

 

 

In response to this, if both Shad and Crusher were mafia, you can do a few things:

A. Stay off of it entirely. When mafia flips with either train, you look bad

B. Vote the one with the most votes. Looks like busing.

c. Vote and tie the trains. Either way, you tied the trains on a mafia lynch, you look good.

C: I don't see how that makes me look good.

 Looks good because you made a stance and we lynched mafia. You nudged a train, giving it more momentum, it happened to lynch scum.

[alannalynn]

Last time i checked this was Murica. Where your innocent until proven guilty like God intended.

Last I checked, this is MAFIA. Where towns are suspicious and wolves are in sheeps clothing.

[Nynaeve]

Nyn/Kiv how does Crusher distribute his teammates?

 

I don't recall a pattern to how he distributes them. Sorry. But after what I told Nolder about his list, I'd expect him to mix is up and not go the standard way, fwiw.

[alannalynn]

 

Ok I agree with that...but what if Shad had been lynched and flipped mafia? Would I not come out of that looking worse since we're assuming that in that instance Crusher would come out looking like the townie?

 

Yes, it would. But I also think there was a small chance that Shad would have gotten lynched over Crusher. Debatable, of course. But that's how I feel. Crusher looked a lot worse at that point, from my POV (and I said as much).

 

Still... good observation.

I think scum!Nolder can determine which way the trains were rolling. And based on some recent experiences, it's safer to bus. lol

[alannalynn]

Okay probably going to bed soon, it's 7am and I probably should have gone to bed hours ago when everyone abandoned skype lol

[Nynaeve]

I think scum!Nolder can determine which way the trains were rolling. And based on some recent experiences, it's safer to bus. lol

 

Not saying otherwise. Nolder isn't stupid. But it was a good point, still. We'll see.  Just thinking out loud. 

[alannalynn]

Apparently it's actually 6am? What are clocks? Does time exist?

[Nynaeve]

lol  

 

Go to sleep

[Calder]

It all boils down to i lead a lynch on a person and current evidence makes it seem i was wrong. There is nothing i can defend about that. I own my role in the lynch train that i drove. Plus i also won't suggest that it would make any sense to lynch him before me. You would def lynch me first if you have to resolve this Calder/Shad thing. Bc the other way around runs the risk of two days used to kill two town.

[Calder]

^^^^^Was responding to Alanna just to lazy to quote this early.

[BFG]

Official VC 2.6

 

Hallia (2): AJ, Clov

 

Shad (1): Zander

 

Calder (2): Shad, Kivam

 

Thane (2): Laine, Nolder

 

Not voting (4): Hallia, Thane, Calder, Nyn

 

No change :)

[alannalynn]

I just realized how uncomfortable it is to be scum reading both Thane and Nolder, but to have Nolder's vote with me on Thane.

 

Ew.

 

[unvote]

 

Now I'm really going to bed.

 

Will reevaluate when I'm awake and after I do at least a quarter of my homework <3

[BFG]

Official VC 2.7

 

Hallia (2): AJ, Clov

 

Shad (1): Zander

 

Calder (2): Shad, Kivam

 

Thane (1): Nolder

 

Not voting (5): Hallia, Thane, Calder, Nyn, Laine

 

[Nynaeve]

Yea I went to bed super early last night after trying to catch up. I went back and re-read mostly Crusher and Kivam posts. My main issue is that i really dont get a good vibe from Kivam. I have been off on him ever since his "maybe i am peeking this guy so scum might NK me and not hit the cop or maybe i am the cop." Maybe just a stroking his ego post, but rubbed me the wrong way. It read as a bit contrived, but i obv. have not had any interaction with him prior to this game.

I also really hated Kivam's push on Nyn. The whole "town doesn't feel that they are scum hunting, they just scum hunt" was atrocious. Nitpicking on wording like that rarely nets scum. Also it is common phrasing and i agree with Nyn's point. Its been a game filled with inactives. Half of town has blatantly not been actively scumhunting. So I thought her wording was actually extremely appropriate.

 

I trust him the least and, as such, don't currently want to pursue Crusher until i feel better about Kivam.

 

 

I didn't remember the bit about Calder saying he didn't want to pursue Crusher. mmmm...

 

 

He does add later, though

 

 

But, do agree with Nyn's point above. The votes on Kivam are in one case reactionary/vengeful and in Nolder's case not supported really. I don't like that, despite my reservations, and would not join those votes against someone producing high quality game content right now.

 

 

Not sure what to make of that. Hedging? Gonna keep reading... the ISO search engine is being weird and there are posts missing.... 

 

 

We are experiencing some technical difficulties. We will resume shortly 

[Nynaeve]

 

Reading your guys fight makes me think Shad is frustrated town.

It is possible that he is of course. But, I don't feel swayed to shift off him considering his missteps and no other extremely attractive options.

 

 

No attractive options. Interesting. I get that Calder is scum reading Shad considering their tackle. I was sharing his opinion... but I was still able to recognize the merits in lynching Crusher. 

[Nynaeve]

Despite the above... he unvoted soon after....

 

 

Shad my unvote is bc i have real doubts that you may be a genuinely confusing person.

 

 

 

But then a couple of hours revotes him. To be fair, wasn't fan of that post either.

 

 

 

Crush, who would you have us look at besides Kiv and Nyn if you flip town? Because I don't exactly feel like a town flip from you would look terrible for them under the circumstances.

Yep. Hate this post. Back to [v]Shad[/v].

 

[Nynaeve]

His explanation of his revote is basically that Shad is talking as if he knows Crusher is gonna flip town and trying to line up lynches for the next day. So first... he doesn't feel the Crusher push because he doesn't trust Kivam. Now he's FoSing and voting Shad, cause he thinks he spoke as if he knew Crusher was going to flip town. We now know that isn't the case with Crusher's flip.... but these are two instances where he sort of chooses to avoid taking Crusher's train seriously.

[Nolder]

He gave up after Kiv's push, though. Before that he was up and about defending Shad and not making a move against Calder either. All he did was comment about me jumping in when it wasn't needed and being antagonistic. The only time I felt like he was seizing an opportunity was when Kivam pushed me. Do you see what I'm getting at? There were pages and pages of Shad/Calder.... and all he had to say was.... man, Nyn seems out of her town meta.

Yeah ok you have a point there. He could have caused more chaos between Calder and Shad but didn't.

[Nynaeve]

There's a little bit more of Calder going at Kivam. Saying that if he has him as null, why is he trying to dissuade him from going at Shad. A bit back and forth there. But I find that Calder's content is like 90% about Shad. 10% about nudging Kiv..... which is an interesting choice considering he was the one who pushed through Crusher's lynch the most. Coincidence? 

 

Up until yesterday..... Calder didn't even give any reads.... on anyone. Bar Shad.

 

First mention of actual reads was yesterday with this post

 

 

Well i think the last 2 scum are in this group - Hallia/Calder/Shad (big gap).....Zander

Since i am Calder, i would prefer one of the other two in the main clump.

 

 

He hasn't mentioned Halli at all up until this point. Nor Zander, from what I could tell. And apparently he doesn't have anything to say about the remaining players?