Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[John Snow]

Catching up on night talk now. 

[Kivam]

Is it socially acceptable required than whenever anybody says the word torn I started belting Natalie Imbruglia irl?

 

FTFY

 

[Kivam]

 

Hogun (Andrej), Vanilla Town, has been Killed  With 10 players alive, 6 to lynch.

 

DEADLINE WILL BE WEDNESDAY AT NOON EASTERN

 

Don't know what you guys are talking about.  It says "killed"

 

Baby on lap. >.<

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Tina (1) - Leelou

Eldrick (1) - John Snow

 

6 to lynch

[Songstress]

Don't know what you guys are talking about.  It says "killed"

 

Baby on lap. >.<

Oh, so the baby typed it

[Lenlo]

Baby slipped. Scum confirmed. Vote Baby.

[John Snow]

The person I'm feeling the worst about right now is Tab. I was looking into her ISO last night. I didn't finish, but I didn't see anything I particularly liked either. And, as JS pointed out, her vote on Wish feels like bussing. 

[unvote]

[v]Tab[/v]

 

As I explained when I voted him, don't have JS as town. Still willing to go that way.

 

I'd be willing to go Lenlo too. There have been things that rubbed me the wrong way about him. I don't think I have the support there, though.

 

I'm not getting the same vibe others are from Tina. I don't see the problem with reads not changing much, if nothing happens that makes you want to change them.

 

Like I just explained, can't read Verb. He's an inactive. could go either way.

 

BFG is another inactive. I was looking into what she's contributed so far yesterday. I should go finish that.

 

Feeling good about Leelou. don't think she'd be Wish's  teammate.

 

Tress and Talya are slight town. I can't remember them doing anything I didn't like, and that's a good sign.

 

Oci was scum to me. AJ is town. Slight town on this slot.

 

Sorry to the other person I'm forgetting. I know I'm missing someone.

 

Reads list reads as "I can vote just about anyone, except for a few token town reads so I don't stand out."

 

 

 

Wow, Tress, that's impressive.

Seriously. I can't see scum going into that much detail. You have just earned a solid town read from me.

I've never understood the "scum don't pit as much effort in" argument.

 

And Eld, there's no questions you want me to answer? There's no possibility of me being town in your world at all? I'm trying to work with you here man. Cause I've talked about each of those multiple times.

 

 

Mhmm. Lenlo get out of my head. 

 

There's something about the easiness of Verb as a target that's making me really, really question this.

 

 

And fine. Vote: verb. I'm not going to go Tina, and at least this will give some answers.

 

Above two scream teammates. 

 

-snip-

Tress had an 'extremely unlikely result that she didn't think would be possible in this game' from Night 2. I had a cop result from Night 1 it wasn't too hard to figure out. I'm not sure how Snow figured out the same

 

 

Same way I figured out that Dice was 3p in Pokemon. Same way I figured out Wiseste's character and expected role. I'm that good. 

 

 

Would've gone with a Thor pic. OH well. 

 

I'm out for the weekend.

 

I'll see you guys on Monday - or not if I'm dead

 

Ironic.

 

Side note. I don't think we should use our NAs until loki is taken out. Someone said something about them getting shuffled with mafia's, and I'd rather not give them information. Also they are unreliable.

 

I'm not submitting tonight.

 

I'm sorry, does no one else find this post extremely Loki-esque?

 

I meant the live players, Len.

 

Obviously not the ghosts

 

I mean if you guys wanna spam with the ghosts be my guest but I'd prefer more game talk.

 

I was always raised to believe that night talk is more beneficial for scum. This is even more true this game when the only people who know their NAs is the Mafia night kill (and presumably Loki). 

 

 

 

I have literally no idea how to hunt 3P besides hoping they are somehow generically wolfy in the same way wolves are

 

Just going to sort of hope we luck into killing him at some point or the wolves do it for us

I would think that the 3P would lurk. It looks like Mafia and town would be best served to get rid of him, which still (imo) is more advantageous for Mafia, because it takes the attention off of them.

 

 

I can't explain how ridiculously wrong you are. 

 

I'm curious what your outlook is on how a 3P would play.

 

 

Wrong part they were wrong on. Leaving Loki alive is somewhat beneficial from scum. Especially if he's not messing with their NK. Town relies on individual roles more than Mafia. 

 

 

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

Note: Read scum as anti-town. IE. Loki or mafia for the purposes of this post. 

 

One of Tayla/Tress is 90% scum. ATM I'm prepared to believe Tayla is the townie of the group, but I can guarantee we've got scum there. 

70% certain Verbal and Tabor are scum. 

50% chance AJ/BFG/Tina make up the remaining scum. I'm inclined to say it's not Tina. 

20% Leelou is scum.

 

 

Reasoning on Tayla/Tress. Both claim to have results from last night. I also had results. However, D1 only gave 2 results (Eld/Mish). There's about a 8% chance that Sili got the result and died with it. 

IMO scum's not going to get the townie results, because balance reasons. IMO scum's not going to have info-returning roles either (doesn't make sense to me). 

 

Conclusion: Tayla/Tress/me is lying ~92% of the time. I know I'm town and not lying. Therefore Tayla/Tress is scum. 

 

I have reason to believe Tayla is Vanilla. I don't think mafia would holster an action N1, as Tayla claimed to. I don't think mafia would lie about using actions with the high percentage of at least one watcher/tracker (heimdall). 

 

Happy to be on Verbal/Tabor as well.

 

[uvnote] [v]Tress[/v]

 

I know this has been addressed already, but I'm not satisfied with the answer. 

If I'm reading the first one correctly, you said what you did because you received a result of a NA that was an investigative view of some sort that marked Talya as VT

If that's the case, why didn't you leave her off your scum list altogether? Why not just list Tress in that line?

 

I have been going through your ISO (I figured I should get around to doing that)

Up until this point, I was actually feeling pretty good about you. I like your interactions with Wishleste. I didn't see anything wrong with what you said. But now this. Now I'm not so sure anymore. I don't get why you would claim that Talya was VT, and then still keep her on your scum list.

 

 

One could assume that my information was more role indicative than alignment. A VT and a Goon tend to resemble each other. 

 

Again, I'm not saying anything that's going to get me modkilled. 

 

Also how he is constantly searching for someone else to throw the Loki tag onto, going on with Loki equity and stuff. Its something I feel the actual Loki would be very perceptive to, people calling out his role and who is getting some heat on that front.

 

I dunno. Is this just me?

 

Nope. Again, out of my head. 

 

It's an expression for effective strategy

 

Positive equity value

 

I thought it was Pokemon EV thing. *shrug*

 

Before night ends let me shamelessly plug my mafia game:

 

http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=2009

 

Quite a few of you have played at VS before so sign up or I'll start harassing you with PMs, LDO

 

Vanilla, basic, advanced, or experimental?

[John Snow]

I like Taborline for scum #3. Eldrick is Loki. 

 

Probably do an ISO on both at some point today. 

 

Not sure on scum #4 yet. I'd tentative clear Lenlo, Mish, Tayla, and Tress. 

 

Leaves BFG, Leelou, and Tina. My money would be on BFG, but that's not set in stone. 

[John Snow]

Not to Lynch

 

Mish

Tress

Tayla

Lenlo

Leelou

Tina

BFG

Tabor

Eldirck

 

Want to Lynch

[Lenlo]

-snip-

 

 

-snip-

I've never understood the "scum don't pit as much effort in" argument.

 

And Eld, there's no questions you want me to answer? There's no possibility of me being town in your world at all? I'm trying to work with you here man. Cause I've talked about each of those multiple times.

 

 

Mhmm. Lenlo get out of my head. 

 

I refuse. Its so empty. So cozy.

 

-snip-

 

Side note. I don't think we should use our NAs until loki is taken out. Someone said something about them getting shuffled with mafia's, and I'd rather not give them information. Also they are unreliable.

 

I'm not submitting tonight.

 

I'm sorry, does no one else find this post extremely Loki-esque?

 

Though I missed this post initially, yes. I do. Get out of my head.

 

-snip-

 

 

I can't explain how ridiculously wrong you are.

I'm curious what your outlook is on how a 3P would play.

 

 

Wrong part they were wrong on. Leaving Loki alive is somewhat beneficial from scum. Especially if he's not messing with their NK. Town relies on individual roles more than Mafia. 

 

I thought I had posted this earlier, but yeah I agree. Town relies on PRs much more than scum do.

 

-snip-

 

Also how he is constantly searching for someone else to throw the Loki tag onto, going on with Loki equity and stuff. Its something I feel the actual Loki would be very perceptive to, people calling out his role and who is getting some heat on that front.

 

I dunno. Is this just me?

 

Nope. Again, out of my head. 

 

Ive already moved in

 

-snip-

My responses in blue. Yeah im not feeling Eld. 

 

Should we focus on scum or Loki first though? Im leaning towards Loki myself, but im not sure.

[John Snow]

It would seem we have a backup cop, or a JOAT. IMO enabling them is #1 priority. 

[Lenlo]

Where do you get those from? Actually better for you not to tell me. Dont wanna create obv targets for the scum. Ill trust ya on this.

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

[John Snow]

BFG and Tress hard claimed cop results. Makes backup cop more likely. The results are likely being scattared along with everything else, so at least mafia doesn't know who they are any more than town. 

 

The one advantage in leaving Loki alive is that someone besides the cop can get the cop results. However, the presence of a backup cop inclines me to believe that mafia can get results, therefore lowering the value of that plan. 

[Lenlo]

Also with Loki alive it seems people cant say whatever results they got.

 

Least that what Mish and such has led me to believe with the threats of getting mod killed.

 

So he needs to go

[John Snow]

Also with Loki alive it seems people cant say whatever results they got.

 

Least that what Mish and such has led me to believe with the threats of getting mod killed.

 

So he needs to go

 

Bingo. I mean we can imply, but cleanly saying it is beneficial. 

[Kivam]

Baby slipped. Scum confirmed. Vote Baby.

 

LENLO HAS BEEN MODKILLED.

 

He was

 

 

a bad man. 

 

[Lenlo]

Lol

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Tina (1) - Leelou

Eldrick (2) - John Snow, Lenlo

 

6 to lynch

[John Snow]

For a second I thought you were serious (I didn't see the quote). Then I saw the vote count. Lol. 

[Lenlo]

For a second I thought you were serious (I didn't see the quote). Then I saw the vote count. Lol. 

I almost had a heart attack till I opened the spoiler.

[Eldrick4221]

That's what I think.

 

I don't think he's scum because of the wishleste thing and how that all went down, but that doesn't rule out 3P.

You realize all this does is make me want to find him even harder, to clear my name, right? I've been so focused on him cuz he needs to be found for us to win. We are kicking mafia's button so far, so I'm looking good towards our next objective.

[Eldrick4221]

Minus the "good". No idea how that got in there.

[Lenlo]

 

That's what I think.

 

I don't think he's scum because of the wishleste thing and how that all went down, but that doesn't rule out 3P.

You realize all this does is make me want to find him even harder, to clear my name, right? I've been so focused on him cuz he needs to be found for us to win. We are kicking mafia's button so far, so I'm looking good towards our next objective.

 

Kicking mafias butt? We got maybe half of them, in a game this size imo. Still a ways to go.

 

As for you wanting to find him, well we do to. So go out there and make use think your not Loki. I wish you luck. Your probably gonna need it.

[Eldrick4221]

You're right. That was overly optimistic of me, after getting 2 in a row.

[Talya]

BFG and Tress hard claimed cop results. Makes backup cop more likely. The results are likely being scattared along with everything else, so at least mafia doesn't know who they are any more than town. 

 

The one advantage in leaving Loki alive is that someone besides the cop can get the cop results. However, the presence of a backup cop inclines me to believe that mafia can get results, therefore lowering the value of that plan.

 

The only issue is that when Sili died, he turned VT because the cop was dead. If there was a backup cop Sili would still have been active. Either there is a Mafia cop (to find Loki) or they are lying, but that would put then on the same team. Atm I would go with a Mafia cop but won't rule the other out.

 

Why is Mish still alive, she seems to be town read by everyone? And no, I don't believe night actions get mixed, only the results do. The kills have all been logical.

 

Could go with Eld being Loki or Tina for scum.