Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Andrej]

 

 

[v]Ocicat[/v]

 

Don't like how he has essentially asked others who he should be voting for, and wants cases presented to him he can "judge" worthiness of his vote on.  That looks like he's just appealing to the more active players (like Cory) and ensuring his votes and actions will go with the flow.  Enough for me on D1.

 

This is garbage btw. I have personally seen Verb argue the merit of sheeping your strong town reads when you are unsure, which is essentially what Oci was saying he would do, so this argument is hollow. Looks like Verb didn't want to be on the Pral wagon if you ask me.

 

Sort of retract what I said about Talya because she explains a little more on the next page, but still - those posts at a glance worry me.

[Andrej]

 

 

To answer your question, pral. Not lynching anyone is better than lynching town. If you'd rather get yourself lynched over nobody, it's anti-town.

No, it is not. Lynch and flip gives information. No-lynch means town starts at the same point the next day.

 

Pral is exactly right here btw, Eldrick.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

Taborline (1) - John Snow
Talya (1) - Taborline
Tina (1) - Talya
AJ (1) - Tina
 

[Andrej]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

 

Ocicat (4) - Tina, Dice, Verbal, Pralaya

Pral (9) - Leelou, Ocicat, Sooh, Lenlo, WishLESTE, John Snow, Eldrick, Mish, Talya

Verbal (4) - Songstress, Sili, KeyBOOSE, Taborline

 

QFR

 

We already know Pral's flip.

 

I know that I am town.

 

If Verb flips town as well then D1 was pretty much a wash.

 

Hard to differentiate atm, but I'll come back to this by the time I'm fully caught up and can cross reference it with the D2 wagon.

[Andrej]

@Mod - what's the maj number?

[Andrej]

 

And I guess one final stupid thing:

It's going to be awhile before I get to live down the "Cory lynched the Cop d1" bluster I rightfully deserve from some of my jab buddies on this forum and it's going to be a great deal easier to live with if I can respond with "still won tho".

 

So if you are a villager this game, please just try to put a little extra chutzpah into the game. For me and my stupidity. I make myself look like a fool enough to deal with. Be an obvious villager, wear your alignment with pride, and do what you need to in order to steal a win from a game that's A) hard on the village and B) started very roughly thanks to a bad read by yours truly.

 

 

You can count on me, Bro Namath

[Andrej]

 

Speculation time.

 

We know we had a cop. I would be surprised if we didn't also have a doc and a vig,

 

I'm also assuming that Loki is a SK. It makes sense, given his wincon.

 

I'm personally expecting 3 kills tonight.

 

i'm also willing to bet some of us are vanilla, submitting meaningless actions unknowingly. It just fits the theme. (Given my luck with roles, I'm one of them :/)

 

?!?!?!

 

Please tell me someone hammered this after the conclusion of N1. I pray that I'll see this as I continue reading.

[Kivam]

@Mod - what's the maj number?

 

12 players alive, 7 to lynch

 

[Andrej]

Thank you.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm not liking Leelou's play at all. She has contributed very little, and it seems that it going to continue for the foreseeable future. I sincerely hope that she isn't town, cuz this is hurting us if she is. I'm not seeing Town!Leelou at all this game, and she is firmly in my WTL

 

How would you describe Leelou's town play normally?

 

 

 It's hard to describe. She's usually more active. I find it weird that she isn't looking for a replacement, if she doesn't have the time to give the game the attention it deserves.

 

 

I know Talya. My point was, I think before Tab said she targeted Cory, I had already said in thread that I targeted Cory N1. So since I'd already said so in thread, then it would be easier for her to say the same. Makes sense?

 

Reread this, because I think I  got a different meaning out of it this morning at work. I see what you mean now, she could have easily thrown it in there.

 

I think it was Eld who said that we should all say who we sent actions in for on N1 and N2. I believe there maybe people out there who would be able to tell if what they recieve tallies. And yes, I know we can't say, but we Loki is gone, we will have a clearer picture on things.

 

N1 - I didn't submit a name

N2 - Submitted Verb (didn't get a result back on him obviously)

 

 

Actually what I asked is if your result last night was the same kind of result as N!, not who you targeted, although I am curious about that as well.

 

My current theory is that if someone targets Loki, everything gets scrambled. If that were the case, we could figure it out by who is being targeted. But that's only useful if we all decide to test it.

 

As the game currently stands, I feel the NA's are 100% useless until Loki is taken out.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

And Mish could easily be Loki...

I go from being town to being Loki in two posts? Wow.

Riddle me this: If I was Loki, would I start the discussion on NA's D2? Give town information just like that? What would I earn from that as Loki?

I said before about it being difficult to find Loki and that they could be looking town. I have you as Town, but doesn't mean I don't think you can't be Loki. You would earn looking town. Anyone could be Loki, I said that because I had just named you town, but you are not off my Loki list, no one is :p

Do you think I would

 

 

 

Ugh my phone autoposted wth

 

 

 

 

 

And Mish could easily be Loki...

I go from being town to being Loki in two posts? Wow.

Riddle me this: If I was Loki, would I start the discussion on NA's D2? Give town information just like that? What would I earn from that as Loki?

 

 

I said before about it being difficult to find Loki and that they could be looking town. I have you as Town, but doesn't mean I don't think you can't be Loki. You would earn looking town. Anyone could be Loki, I said that because I had just named you town, but you are not off my Loki list, no one is :p

 

 

Do you think Loki knows exactly the way he affects the game/? Do you think it's plausible that I would be able to guess correctly about NA's if I was Loki to start the conversation I did at the beginning of D2? If Loki is a superredirector, he knows parts. But would he know that Kiv forbids saying the exact results you get? Eld confirmed that he wasn't allowed to say so either. Every single thing I brought up he confirmed. Do you think if I'm Loki I would have all the information about how Kiv communicates with the ones who get results, to be able to fake it at the level I did?

 

You brought up the possibility. You gotta stand for it now.

 

 

 

 

This could very easily be nothing, but Mish's phone apparently sent a message before she had time to word it the way she wanted. The way she started the first one isn't how her finished post reads. Very suspicious that she would start off talking about how SHE would... and then talks about how LOKI would ...

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. I finished reading the post, and disregard the speculation of the differences in the posts. She isn't Loki for the reasons she brought up. We know each other aren't because of our respective N1 results. I just saw something suspicious and commented without thinking.

[Lenlo]

My current theory is that if someone targets Loki, everything gets scrambled. If that were the case, we could figure it out by who is being targeted. But that's only useful if we all decide to test it.

 

As the game currently stands, I feel the NA's are 100% useless until Loki is taken out.

 

Please. Stop. With the theorycrafting. It gets us nowhere. 

 

Besides even if we were to test your theory, I can almost guarantee you scum wouldn't go with it if they had PR's, cause they benefit more than we do so long as Loki is alive. Since town is more PR dependent, if only alittle, than scum.

 

Focus on casing people if you can rather than these theories.

[Eldrick4221]

 

My current theory is that if someone targets Loki, everything gets scrambled. If that were the case, we could figure it out by who is being targeted. But that's only useful if we all decide to test it.

 

As the game currently stands, I feel the NA's are 100% useless until Loki is taken out.

 

Please. Stop. With the theorycrafting. It gets us nowhere. 

 

Besides even if we were to test your theory, I can almost guarantee you scum wouldn't go with it if they had PR's, cause they benefit more than we do so long as Loki is alive. Since town is more PR dependent, if only alittle, than scum.

 

Focus on casing people if you can rather than these theories.

 

Thanks for paying attention to my post. I thought calling the NA's useless would say that I was giving up until Loki was dead. It's not my fault that I want to know how the game is working.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Eldrick - Liked how he started D2 with confirming what Mish said about her na reads. Wasn´t fond of his WiCi interaction though. 

 

 

What interactions are you referring to? I was unable to read Wishleste for most of the game. It wasn't until they had the contradiction of pushing for Verb's lynch, but not listing him as a scum read that convinced me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually hate that Pral isn't voting.

I don't see a point. My main vote would be Sooh or Talya. But, that is going to go nowhere.

I am not sure of Verbal. I don't think he is scum. If it comes to that, I will consolidate either on myself or verbal.

I will be on during the deadline.

Wait, what?

If it comes to it, you'll vote yourself over no lynch?

I just lost faith in you. And Ocicat clearly isn't happening.

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[v]Pral [/v]

 

If I hadn't played with you before this post would stick out to me like a sore thumb. Still does, but this is pretty bad. Unfortunately I don't think I could apply it to you singularly as being scum because you're a scummy villager too.

 

 

You also seem to be missing my point. I wasn't arguing the merit of lynch over no-lynch. Mislynches are still information, and are therefore still better. I was against the point of personally wanting yourself to be lynched instead of no-lynch, which is what he was proposing. To vote either himself or Verb to avoid a no lynch. I didn't see adding himself to that list as a pro-town choice.

[Eldrick4221]

Well. I feel better about AJ than I did about Oci, so that's something. I'm moving you back up to null, cuz i can't shake the bad feeling I had from Oci's D1.

 

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[Eldrick4221]

Welcome back, Verb. Sorry to hear real life got in the way so strongly.

[Eldrick4221]

Welcome back, Verb. Sorry to hear real life got in the way so strongly.

Current thoughts?

[Andrej]

I still disagree and I don't think I missed your point at all. You're saying that Pral showing willingness to vote himself (as a townie) is anti-town. Fundamentally, I disagree. His flip gives concrete evidence for us to go back and investigate on - otherwise he would've remained a question mark that continued on into D2.

[Eldrick4221]

I still disagree and I don't think I missed your point at all. You're saying that Pral showing willingness to vote himself (as a townie) is anti-town. Fundamentally, I disagree. His flip gives concrete evidence for us to go back and investigate on - otherwise he would've remained a question mark that continued on into D2.

We will just have to agree to disagree on the issue. I am against self-votes.

[Andrej]

 

Meh.

[Songstress]

 

Tress your #936 worries me.

 

Points if you can tell me why.

I'm on mobile for the next 7+ hours, can't see post numbers. Please quote it if you can.

 

 

Went back and looked, and I couldn't begin to guess what worried you, sorry.  Please elaborate.

[Andrej]

Mostly your null read on our only flipped scum at this point.

 

[it was a continuing theme throughout D1 from what I saw - but I'm not sure your interactions with her at the start of D2 would be w/w. Then again you weren't talking about anything really substantive.

 

I have you a question mark currently, and that worries me.

[Songstress]

 

I still disagree and I don't think I missed your point at all. You're saying that Pral showing willingness to vote himself (as a townie) is anti-town. Fundamentally, I disagree. His flip gives concrete evidence for us to go back and investigate on - otherwise he would've remained a question mark that continued on into D2.

We will just have to agree to disagree on the issue. I am against self-votes.

 

 

This kind of dogmatic policy bugs me, btw.  It comes across as an excuse not to be responsible for your own vote - you weren't even reading Pral as mafia before he said he would be willing to vote himself if necessary to achieve a lynch.

 

I don't see what others are apparently seeing in Pral. Now that he's contributing, I'm liking what he has to say. Not voting him. Slight town.

 

Then suddenly after he establishes he's willing to consolidate even on himself to avoid a wasted day, you vote him and refuse to budge.  

 

Yes, I'm not a huge fan of self voting either, and under the circumstances I wouldn't have offered it if I were him, but there are definitely times in which it IS best for town for someone to be willing to self vote.  Insisting on policy lynching every self-voter regardless of the circumstances and whether you were town reading them beforehand is a really bad way to approach the game.

[Andrej]

Eldrick still probably a villager though, despite that foolishness.