[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Andrej]

I love how you don't refer to me as AJ.

 

You should work on your subtlety

 

And not, I haven't. I don't eat a lot of ice cream tbh

[Andrej]

This machine fuels off protein and veggies 

[Andrej]

With the occasional fruit smoothie thrown in, cause that **** is delicious.

[Andrej]

And booze.

 

Probably more of that than anything though.

[alannalynn]

I love how you don't refer to me as AJ.

 

You should work on your subtlety

 

And not, I haven't. I don't eat a lot of ice cream tbh

I can't believe it's taken you this long to comment on that. I actually call you AJ in my notes only, because I don't want to give you the satisfaction of claiming that name.

 

I probably shouldn't eat ice cream either, being that it makes me sick every time I do, but I just ate a whole pint and I have no regrets.

 

Remind me to look over your slot after I'm caught up, I'm trying to figure out where the suspicion is coming from on you, but I don't recall any of the stances you've made in the game thus far

[Andrej]

It is my name though. I think if you just give in you'll find yourself feeling a lot more freed.

 

You'll regret it later, I'm sure.

 

Also - this is your courtesy reminder to relook me after you've caught up. Idk why I'm getting suspicion either but I suppose I'll find out by the time I'm done reading. I could probably guess that it's the same old "AJ hasn't posted enough, hence wolfy" story though.

 

Tbh I haven't taken a lot of stances yet since I haven't been very involved.

 

Early on it was:

 

Kivam wolfy for his OP vote.

Shad townie for potentially seeing who was paying attention regarding his vote/statements about parked votes.

Wombat wolfy for OP/WOT posts.

Nyn/Hallia looking good.

Razen/Yates looking okay.

[Andrej]

Like, AJ are literally the initials of my first and last name.

 

I couldn't have asked for a more fitting nickname.

[Andrej]

My first and middle initials too, actually.

[alannalynn]

It is my name though. I think if you just give in you'll find yourself feeling a lot more freed.

 

You'll regret it later, I'm sure.

 

Also - this is your courtesy reminder to relook me after you've caught up. Idk why I'm getting suspicion either but I suppose I'll find out by the time I'm done reading. I could probably guess that it's the same old "AJ hasn't posted enough, hence wolfy" story though.

 

Tbh I haven't taken a lot of stances yet since I haven't been very involved.

 

Early on it was:

 

Kivam wolfy for his OP vote.

Shad townie for potentially seeing who was paying attention regarding his vote/statements about parked votes.

Wombat wolfy for OP/WOT posts.

Nyn/Hallia looking good.

Razen/Yates looking okay.

I think I can agree with some of these. Kivam is strange for me, because I can see where that post can be read differently (re: Yates' explanation) but at the same time, the "damage control" after the original OP made me feel worse. I also don't like Mish's reactions earlier on and would like to know how she reacts as scum as a basis for evaluation. I feel like she's been trying to defend her slot a lot rather than point in other directions, too.

 

Shad, Zander townie to me. I feel like I understand Zander pretty well and he just needs to explain himself better without just saying "oh I already said that". What do you think about Zander at this point Andrej? Do you think the Sender train is valid or just someone pushing an easy lynch?

 

I don't remember any content from Wombat, I remember little from Hally (sorry >.<)

 

Nyn/Razen higher town for me, though; wary of Yates but getting okay vibes

 

Just because they're your initials doesn't mean you get to claim them. At least nobody goes around calling me AL or AH. lol

[Andrej]

I think I can agree with some of these. Kivam is strange for me, because I can see where that post can be read differently (re: Yates' explanation) but at the same time, the "damage control" after the original OP made me feel worse. I also don't like Mish's reactions earlier on and would like to know how she reacts as scum as a basis for evaluation. I feel like she's been trying to defend her slot a lot rather than point in other directions, too.

 

Shad, Zander townie to me. I feel like I understand Zander pretty well and he just needs to explain himself better without just saying "oh I already said that". What do you think about Zander at this point Andrej? Do you think the Sender train is valid or just someone pushing an easy lynch?

 

I don't remember any content from Wombat, I remember little from Hally (sorry >.<)

 

Nyn/Razen higher town for me, though; wary of Yates but getting okay vibes

 

Just because they're your initials doesn't mean you get to claim them. At least nobody goes around calling me AL or AH. lol

 

I haven't played with Mish in a long time, and of those times we played together, I think I saw her as scum on very rare occasions so I'm by no means a master of her style. The only one that sticks out was my very first game where I nailed her, but no one listened and her team won. What I can say, though, is that I think she's more reactionary/intuitive than logical so I can see some of her posts in response to things coming from that mindset. I can agree with your point that she's mostly been defending herself, but that comes with the territory of being heavily discussed.

 

I can agree on Shad. I'm still not caught up yet, so I'm curious as to why Zeph is catching so many votes. From what I've seen, mostly of Zander, he seems like he's playing typically to what I'm used to. The 'pro-town' type statements, the joking/buddying, etc. Unfortunately after the Belichick game I'm aware now that he's capable of doing this as mafia so I'm looking for some thoughtful explanations into his reads as I continue through the thread. Lack of progress = bad things imo. I'm not willing to allow him to skate by on his locked in tunnel vision after our last game where he hard bussed Talya the whole way, regardless of SW.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

What?  Does anyone actually take this "are you town" stuff seriously?

 

 

 

But short of playing with third graders, what do people actually expect to get out of these questions?  The thought of using a response or nonresponse to "are you town" as a basis to cast suspicion on someone is absurd.

 

 

 

havent i answered this for you before?  Cant speak for everyone but for me its about tone and my instant reaction to their answer

[alannalynn]

@Andrej That's something I need to take into account with Mish... I'm more logical and I think that makes it hard for me to read her in general. I don't know if she's posted one, but I'd like to see a reads list from Mish/Kivam to get where they're coming from

I'd personally like to see more of Seph, I don't think he's been around as much as Zander. As for Zander catching heat I think it has something to do with him calling out some Kivam "emo" posts and not allowing for the distinction between the fake emo that Kiv was supplying and the annoyed reactions afterwards (for lack of better terminology). Someone mentioned earlier about Zander's mafia meta irt me/him, but I also find it highly unlikely that he would try the same tunneling thing as in Belichick, he has to evolve his scum game. But I do not think he is scum here, either.

[Andrej]

I mean - I'm an ISTJ but I can understand NFPs. It's all about perspective and empathy, imo.

 

I get what you're saying though.

[Andrej]

havent i answered this for you before?  Cant speak for everyone but for me its about tone and my instant reaction to their answer

 

DiceGOAT reads.

 

Feel like I haven't seen much of you ITT. I'm liking your hydra head - but I wanna know where you are.

[Andrej]

I mean - I'm an ISTJ but I can understand NFPs. It's all about perspective and empathy, imo.

 

I get what you're saying though.

 

Actually - now that I'm a little drunk and being self reflective...

 

I notice that when I post I say a lot of "I think..." instead of "I feel..."

 

Trippy how humans work.

[alannalynn]

#INTJ

 

I think instead of feel a lot too

Unless I'm in chat and need to whine, but that's then and there lol

 

I feel good about the Nyn/Dice slot. Dice you caught up?

(Alanna's still catching up from page 80, then going back to 60-77?)

[Andrej]

#INTJ

 

Pretty sure we would hate each other irl.

[dicetosser1]

 

havent i answered this for you before?  Cant speak for everyone but for me its about tone and my instant reaction to their answer

 

DiceGOAT reads.

 

Feel like I haven't seen much of you ITT. I'm liking your hydra head - but I wanna know where you are.

 

 

Sydney.

 

 

im trying to catchup but my catch up day got derailed by sick daughter

 

#INTJ

 

I think instead of feel a lot too

Unless I'm in chat and need to whine, but that's then and there lol

 

I feel good about the Nyn/Dice slot. Dice you caught up?

(Alanna's still catching up from page 80, then going back to 60-77?)

 

Im the opposite to you two. I tend to say feel a lot. As i said in a game recently gut is better then head cause head overthinks

 

and laine im nowhere near caught up  page 56 currently

[alannalynn]

We probably would hate each other. Notbob is the only other INTJ I know of on DM so far...

 

Dice, I understand the struggle. I've been trying to catch up all weekend being pretty much permanently 40 pages behind. I have about 20 pages left to read and I'll be totally caught up though. I need to apply myself.

[Andrej]

pg 46-50

 

 

Checked back in, read to mid-45, and going to post my first real vote of the game before getting back to work.  I really don't like the way [v]Unvote. Vote:Zander[/v] interacted with me, and particularly the misrep with respect to AtE.  And yes, I did deliberately wait for other people to call it out before acting on it; given the reactions I was getting, it was likely to be dismissed as spin if it just came from me.  Zander, you didn't answer Celeste, or Talya, but maybe you'll answer me and a vote: what did you see in my post as AtE?

 

Idk if I should consider the bold to be villagery coming from you.

 

Laine channeling Mynd this hardcore is kinda sketching me out a bit, but we'll see where that goes.

 

It is kinda weird.

 

Not done catching up, but.... I haven't talked to dice much due to conflicting schedules and him living in the future.

 

My thoughts right now is that Kiv smells. I didn't like Laine's hydra smear campaign, but I'm leaving it in the null pile for now. I haven't liked some of Zander's posts. Kinda null on Seph. I get from what other people said that Z usually follows Laine like a lost puppy, which is a valid life choice. But... I really didn't like him shouting about at whoever was voting her at the time to unvote and said she's off the table cause as town, she's a valuable player. The same could be said about quite a few of the players in this game, so it's void. Right now I'd like to see him doing a bit more than +1 people's posts.  Would like to see more from Wombat, though I think he's catching up as we speak, so I'm gonna need to see what he has to say. Lenlo needs to step it up too. Both Pral and Laine are supposed to be catching up and giving their thoughts. I don't have as much to work with right now, at any rate so I'm sort of going by feel. 

 

Liking Halli so far, but that's mostly gut based. Sili too.

 

Nyn still dropping townie posts ITT

 

-snip-

 

BETTER

 

I see. I just find it odd that she was suggesting reading a whole game instead of like interact with people in thread.

 

DM has people from a lot of different time zones.  There are some people you probably won't be able to interact with real-time.

 

So does my home site and we are all able to interact just find. But this is noted.

 

She wasn't though? Kind of bothered that you're still hung up on this.

 

As of p. 27 Beck and Mish town leans.  Kiv null so overall slight town lean on Kivish.

 

Beck???

 

COLDER :(

 

How about some interaction this game? I get that you're new here, but I don't see a ton of effort in trying to actually interact (re: question, dig, poke, prod) at people so far.

 

<3

 

Thanks Key.

 

Rum and Coke is effective.  All of a sudden I don't hate you all for making me read this nonsense.

 

Rum and coke?

 

LOCK TOWN.

 

-snip-

 

-snip-

 

Premature imo.  RL happens.

 

-snip-

 

ClovFG will definitely be very Clovian.  Evidence of scumminess will probably be found in avoidant behavior, but it's too early to make such a judgment.

 

CLOSER

 

Wombat whats it like to be town? Describe it for me.

 

Angle shooting?

 

Can't really tell, but that's the vibe I get. You guys wanna enlighten me?

 

Why?

 

Dude - chill.

 

You're right about AJ.  Gut feeling that Wombat got worked over by RNGesus.  I think AJ's sounded pretty good this far and I like that he's going against the grain a bit with the Wombat vote, but I'm not sure I would follow him there at this point.  I need to more content to judge Wombat on than his quotes.

 

I can dig your neutrality on the subject. At least you commented on it.

 

Gross.  More probable than not you are generally aware that I'm town.

 

More probable? Based on... rand stats?

 

COLDER :(

 

My biggest problem with AJ is that the tone is there but the thought process isn't

 

AJ is a very good "tone faker" as Mafia and sometimes relies on it, I remember him getting to like ~Day 4 in a POG game as a wolf solely on having good tone without actually even doing anything

 

Can see him trying to use it as a crutch as wolf

 

Okay, again. Dude - chill.

 

Is it D4? No.

 

This post was like 50 something hours into the game, where my schedule is NO SECRET. I am BUSY during the week, and when I get home after a long day of supervising other people's kids I have my own to look after PLUS a woman and a dog. So add in dinner, the dishes, showering, bath time, Oliver poop time, etc etc and suddenly it's 10-11pm and all I wanna do is go to sleep and get ready for the next day.

 

I get that maybe you EXPECT more from me, but frankly what I give is the best I can do at the time. This seems to be common trend that I'm seeing in this game - you bashing what you consider strong villas for their activity. I mean, I get the premise, but this has been sort of a recurring song and dance between us. I actually /outed from this game after all the newcomers and hydras joined because I knew it would be hard for me to maintain and only /ined again when I saw that it was lacking one player and had been in signups for weeks.

 

My point? Not to gripe at you for pushing for people you know can be effective to be. I get that, dude. What I'm saying is to ease up a little. Coming at someone hard, or casting this sort of suspicion when they aren't performing to YOUR expectations is a little unfair. Not everyone can be here all the time.

 

 

MOD NOTE: CSARMI WILL BE REPLACING BECK

 

Because the one thing this game lacks is someone who will never be caught up but will post more than anyone else.  FML.

 

lol

 

Seph had some posts I thought were okay

 

As much as I love Zander he can be incredibly poor at defending himself and explaining what he thinks in a way that other people will understand, so ultimately not confident in the Kiv narrative that "he's not making sense therefore he's wolfy"

 

You had something you didn't like about Seph IIRC, can you remind me what it was

 

All that other stuff aside, this is the sort of Cory read I like to see.

 

it along with other posts continued to ping me as AtE, whining rage.  a full spectrum of poor me posts. i meant these not this but w/e.  ive tried to explain my thought process out.  somethings not sitting right with your slot. (ive mentioned other reasons as well: Pral vote, no casing, some of Mish's reactions.)

 

i hope this is better.

 

This would be a pretty good example of that, imo.

 

AFAICT AJ can't help but wrack his brain as a villager and he's not doing that here

 

Have I really had the chance to do this - tbh?? Like, I get the idea behind the read and the way you use it to view me, but assuming that I'm a wolf because I can't post is sort of one sided imo.

 

One this note though, that you seemingly ignored, I know that we came to similar conclusions in several points of the thread (IE Razen). I may not have expressed these as thoroughly as you, but I feel if you REALLY wanted to analyze me there was stuff you could have.

 

I mean sometimes it's a bowl of stupid flakes but I'll take that over the bland oatmeal I'm getting

 

I get this reference.

 

 

[alannalynn]

OVERTIME!!!

 

I'm caught up to 1631. Don't have time to quote or comment on everything but there were a couple of things that really stood out.

 

@Alanna - "In your first scenario, you automatically assume Kiv is town" is weak sauce. Both Town and scum apply pressure. Shad is right that it's totally null. Trying to twist that into a Town read comes across as manipulative.

 

Also re: Post 1608

1. would you drop the LAH stuff already? We are 82 pages into day 2. You have GOT to find better excuses for your votes - which is something you claim is your intent so just do that.

 

2. "Not sure Yates' posts are enough to clear him though, he's a pretty hard read for me. Where ARE the Yates gifs??" - You are missing the context. Key was addressing Clov's post wrt comparing my "fluff" content to Wombat's game content. Also, I'm pretty sure that gif comment was specific to the Ron Swanson gif she liked as opposed to my meta. Do you think my meta is to gif spam or something?

 

3. I think this is your second(?) spoilered wot that isn't particularly alignment solving. I joked earlier about how all I got out of your first wot was that we are sexually compatible. That was actually a commentary on the lack of quality content I expect from you. You aren't really taking a stand or presenting new information. You are just kind of rehashing old talking points without taking new information into account. The Key quote above is a good example. How did you miss that context?

 

I'm giving this wall a D-

/snip

Underlined: wasn't really trying to twist anything, just found it odd how the first part of that was worded. I have Shad as a town read and I liked his responses on that page, I also know that he's town reading Kivish and I wanted to hear more from him on the subject because I can't quite get my head around where Kivam is coming from and I know that Shad understands how he thinks better?

 

1. Yates, my vote currently isn't sitting on anyone. And I never said that I'm going to solely focus on the hydras, but I will be watching them closely. I don't like them. I'll never like them. And if I see a hydra slip up, bet your ass I'm going to be screaming Lynch All Hydras from as they get ran up and flip red.

 

2 I'm going to chock this up to law of diminishing returns as far as clarity goes. Those parts should have been split up better. As in, I don't remember Wombat that much (I've been skimming fluff with these long wots and I don't remember any of his stances if he's had any); Yates' content posts don't clear him (I'm hesitant about reading you, sorry, but I don't feel suspicious yet); I would appreciate some lighthearted gifs as a break from the struggle to keep up (gifs because fluff posts I won't read, but gifs are always a +). Hopefully that clarifies? I posted that at like 7am... lol

 

3. At this point when I'm so far behind in the game, there is no way I'm going to bring NEW content that easily, especially if it's been discussed to death for 30-40 pages that I haven't even read yet. But I am taking stances where I can and commenting where I can in the game. Let me know if there's anything in particular you want me to comment on though; once I"m caught up fully this will be much easier for me unless y'all shoot off with 40 pages a day once the week starts. I'll be ISOing a few people once my WoTs are done, as well

 

 

Kiv Votes Pral - This is that post: I'm not seeing this anything other than Kiv trying to start things and go after someone who hasn't voted. There were others that hadn't posted, but how is he supposed to vote for all. He can't. I see this as nothing more than a pressure vote trying to encourage Pral, but also to get reactions. Unfortunately I can see him doing this as town or wolf.

 

Okay, I can't help but comment about this, cause it irritates me. I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I think you're wrong. Last game (Verbal's assassin game), someone kicked off D1 with a vote on Pral, joking that it would summon him to the thread. And that's fine.. It isn't the actual vote that bothers me and I've said that quite a few times. The issue what it is not what he did, but how he did it, throwing in a.... well last time as scum Pral was lurky too. hint hint. poke poke. Then he got called on it and rightly so. Then he claimed to only have seen his scum game, which means he shouldn't have said what he said without the full knowledge of his meta. He's not dumb. And then later on he says he doesn't believe in meta at all, So why bring it up? The whole thing stinks of backpadeling because he got heat over it.

 

I'm sort of tired of the whole kick starting, reaction testing, faking, fibbing excuses. What he did wasn't kickstarting the game, it was misrepping and voting for someone based on something he claims he doesn't even believe in. 

THIS X100

 

 

Not happy how people keep completely mis-representing the use of LAH at this point. Have you looked at how many people are in this fudging game? Do you really think that none of the hydras even have the chance to be wolves? Kill bloat. Narrow POE pool. Sure, I can focus in on "A" names but they don't have two people per slot now do they? stfu and join me

I don't think misrepping is the correct term. What you're pitching has been pitched before. People can agree or disagree with it. I've always disliked the idea and that's not likely to change. I'm interested to see how you incorporate it going forward, but that's about as far as my interest goes when it comes to this topic.

#844 I think the "emo" that Zander is referring to in this post is the "what's the point" part of the post: it comes off as Kiv being frustrated/annoyed and not willing to explain himself better.

Clearly he's never played with Despo >.>

 

That STILL doesn't change the fact that Kivam provided a half-truth meta on a player as an excuse to draw him out and had to back track out of it. I feel like we're beating a dead horse here though   #annoyed

We should start a club.

Yeah maybe mis-rep is incorrect. And I'm not going to blow the LAH thing out of proportion and say we have to lynch only hydras, that's just narrow minded. I'll happily agree to disagree on my approach to the game, but I will take you up on that club offer.

 

What are your thoughts on Zander? I am personally biased when it comes to him because I always town read him and don't necessarily see anything out of character from him. I know you've had trouble with Zanderisms in the past, so you may be able to give a fresh view?

 

 

If you want to call it an arbitrary list, that's fine. But I'm also doing what works for me, and will in no way be using LAH to avoid giving reads elsewhere. I really hate hydras (we're at 81 pages and d1 isn't over) and if I can find the scum in those 8 slots (it's unlikely there are none on the scum team), then I'll pat myself on the back and move on. I don't think it's a bad way to play FOR ME and in THIS GAME because I tend to get lost in larger games and this could help.

 

As for reading hydras better: we have twice the opportunity to see scum plays/slips with two people in a slot rather than one. Don't you think that increases chances? Additionally, I tend to read some people better than others, so pairing generally null slots with people I read better is also helpful.

So why not something equally arbitrary/illogical like Kill Top Posters?  What about hydras like me where it seems I'm doomed to play this game all by myself?  What about lurky/inactive hydras?  I don't think your hydra stance makes any sense, but at this point, I'd rather just drop it and see you focus on other stuff so I can get a read on you for that.

Look at you jumping to conclusions. It's funny because I have been giving my thoughts on other players. I think that focusing on my LAH theory is an easy place for scum to hide in that they can argue the logistics of it and blame me for not contributing when I've actually been giving thoughts where I can in this game. And every time someone brings it up as something that's stupid or that I'm using as a crutch to not give actual game reads, you're allowing the conversation to pull away from other conversation and scum hunting that could be done instead of questioning my approach to the game. That's just my two cents, though

 

Zeph lecturing Kivam was scummy because it's a stock town-seeming angle to take that doesn't actually do anything.  This was the stage of the game when people vote people for completely stupid reasons, so Zeph taking that angle isn't about trying to keep illogic out of the game thread imo so much as it is about trying to find something pro-town to say.

 

Shad and Cory were making me laugh.

 

Vote on Laine was a reaction test, as is pretty much everything I do super early in games.  Didn't get anything from Laine but Zander bit and called my vote a "bad look."  Not sure if he's trying to pocket Laine or if he's really that bad, but given everything he and Seph have done this game, they are my top scum read.

 

Figured you were just reaction testing me earlier but now that you've doubled down on "Wombat is scum cuz I don't like his OP lel" you can consider yourself FoSed.

Womby do you think Zander would have the same reaction as town OR mafia?

 

Gonna have to go back to 86 where I left off.. .

[Andrej]

Damn, the more I drink the more this thread feels like a mountain I'm trying to climb.

 

I'm down to my last two beers. When I finish those, I'm going to bed.

[Talya]

@AJ and Talya - I swear to all that is holy that if you don't stop with the reposting the entire game crap I'm going to institute a lynch all wot-ers policy!Seriously, neither of you has added anything new or constructive to the game with those posts. And as people in perpetual catch up mode, you'd think you'd want to reduce the clutter? How about rather than commenting on EVERYTHING, you just come up with two people each that you are going to consider voting. Deadline is closer than you think and we don't have time to wade through all the static you are creating.Please? And thank you?

Sorry you don't like it, I had to put some of that early stuff down in order to see what went on. It's not everything, because there was a lot of fluff.

[Andrej]

pg 51-60

 

 

I probably couldn't disagree more with the idea he's done a good job explaining his thoughts

Almost nothing has stuck out to me

 

AJ has no problem taking controversial stances and pushing them with some force as a villager and I can usually read him based on whether or not he's trying to do work or show work

 

Last one seems more like a you problem than a me problem

 

I get your read, but again - I think you're way ahead of yourself. Have I really had the opportunity to force things as you say?

 

Just something to keep in mind. I don't want to continually have this discussion as the weekend closes and I'm back in perma-catch up mode.

 

Zander, for pushing an inane angle against Kiv.  Beyond that, I have my eyes on Talya and Hally.

 

Your reads suck imo.

 

I can assume you're town reading Kivam based on this? Why?

 

I'm getting what I have out NOW because I got on vacation tomorrow and will be extraordinarily sparse since internet will be flaky and I like playing this stupid internet yelling game whether you like it or not

 

This actually makes sense as to why you're yelling so much, but again - dude, chill. Let things progress naturally. We're fortunate enough that our mods have granted us a lengthy D1. If these problems you're foreseeing already persist past that I can see you making more of a fuss about it.

 

Which given this section, I'm not sure you've done.  Or at least, you're coming across as conflicted in your read on the Mish/Kiv hydra.  You're not bothered by Kiv, but you knee-jerk vote Mish for her vote on you based on Seph's misrep of your reason for voting.  You come across as rather jumpy and looking for any excuse to place a vote, because it's a simple enough thing to just point out and say look, that's not what happened.  But you slapped an OMGUS vote on - and admitted that you haven't seen anything that's bothered you too much from her other half.

 

Not sure what it has to do with the other head, tbh. If Shad has issue with Mish's vote and the reason why, what does Kivam have to do with it? Also, generally, I view reactionary votes as a good sign. Shad feels Mish made a bad vote so he votes her. Doesn't make her or him scum automatically, obviously, but it does show he's interpreting how people regard his slot from an innocent POV.

 

it's not.  Multiple people have asked you what part of that post led you to interpret it as AtE, and all you've said here is "because that's how I read it".  That's a tautology, not an explanation.

 

From what I've seen of you this game, you seem to be reading and responding linearly, as you catch up. Is that right?  And were you doing that when you read the post that's triggering these questions?

 

Cory says that the poor explanations from you are par for the course, and since I have him mostly town at the moment I'm willing to contingently take that into consideration.  But he also seems to be defending you quite a bit, which is odd, and being poor at explaining yourself as a townie can't mean you get a pass on everything you do that you can't explain.  The upshot of that is that I'll [unvote], for now, but still want answers to those questions.

 

I think you're misinterpreting Cory here. Or twisting the intent of his post. I didn't take it was defense, but merely his take on Zander and how he views him as a player.

 

Cory is experienced enough to know that not ALL villagers are going to come across concise or clean with their reasonings in thread. I can relate and I feel like you should know this as well. That said - did you take it into consideration?

 

this is acceptable.

 

Wombat is clear.

 

Was I right before in thinking this was angle shooting or an inside joke that I don't get?

 

its only inane until its proven wrong right. everyone thought i was wrong on Yates and Sili in SW....yourself included.  i listed numerous reasons why i placed my vote there, so im fine with it.  so glgl. i play the play.  i read people the way i read people.  Zander's gonna Zander.

 

Zander gonna Zander imo.

 

I think you're pretty townie, bro.

 

Why not now?

 

The answer should be pretty obvious, imo. If Kivam flips scum, him voting Pral (with a history of being a notorious busser) this could say something about Pral since he chose to vote him over other inactive slots. See: distancing

 

IT is pretty obvious what Zander is talking about. I find it lol that people even bothered to nitpick it.

 

Yeah, I kinda agree.

 

I am okay with Kiv/Mish atm. They dont strike me as all that bad. Both seem confrontational and that seems expected for both of them imo. Not sayin they are LOCK CLEAR FOO, but I am leaning towards not scum.

 

[unvote][v]Zander/Seph[/v]

 

As I said previously, I think they or AJ are good lunchs for the day.

 

Kinda hate that your justification for having me as a lynch candidate is 'info'. That's scum speak, dude. Who have I interacted with that would give good results on??

 

To be clear, I disagree with Cory's read of AJ. I also disagree with his easy clearing of Hallia, but this is typical.

 

I do however agree with his interpretation of AJ in a general way. I think AJ could have more content. He can fake tone.

 

(I wasn't town reading AJ because tone though)

 

I wouldn't say Cory is wrong with his interpretation, but I feel like it's premature and more paranoia on his part because he probably expects more from me at this stage in the game and I hadn't delivered yet.

 

Anyone else find it funny that Zander stopped answering my questions the second I unvoted him?  That was a reaction test, and I don't like the result.

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I hadn't noticed, actually.

 

I'm assuming you think it's alignment indicative considering your vote - so maybe you can explain what exactly you think it means regarding him.

 

Yeah the Kivam/Pral thing from Clov's POV made sense based on [things]

 

Pretty sure I know what's going on here.

 

I like this point by Razen. Earlier Shad addressed this, I think, by saying something along the lines of he votes for who is scummy, regardless. I'll try and find it in a minute. But it seems imperative to take the other person into account when dealing with hydras.

 

Agree to disagree, imo. It's more situational. I don't really think one head being scummy and the other being townie shifts the hydra more towards any alignment. You have to interpret the players specifically to make that sort of judgement call.

 

This is pretty much the key statement

 

Some players are easier for me to read (specifically for me NF types, which I'm absurdly aware of in this late point of my Mafia/werewolf career) and others I have trouble reading consistently because I do not understand how their brain works

 

Zander's some sort of ENTP demon IIRC

 

I can agree on the point that Zander can certainly fake the joyful tone as a wolf.

 

Think you're any good at reading ST types, Cory? 

 

 

What was the "legit assumption that perhaps wasn't accurate"?

 

Okay. You are undermining a potential scum hunting tool. I usually get cranky when people do this kind of stuff but this is like the 3rd time this has happened to me this game so whatever... lol

Basically, this is the post in question:

 

Since nobody is doing anything ... [v]Pralaya[/v].  If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet.  Pral, where're you at?  Start laying some content down.

 

One interpretation of this post is; "I'm voting for Pral BECAUSE he likes to lurk as scum and hasn't even checked in yet."

That's the interpretation I had.

However, another interpretation is; "I'm voting for Pral since nobody is doing anything else and I like to prod lurkers when I don't have better things to do with my vote. ALSO, he likes to lurk as scum. Let's make him post a lot."

This was not an interpretation that immediately came to mind but is one that seems to be implied by his defense posts. I kind of didn't want to spell it out since it would have been better if HE had said something like this. Also, I could be wrong about this interpretation.

Still, the second interpretation seems like it could be implied if you string together this, this, this, this, this, and this. It's like he's answering suspicion without even realizing that we are all assuming the first interpretation - ie. he's unaware of why his post is being read as an accusation. But if you reread those links with the second interpretation in mind? I can buy it.

 

Generally I really like the effort and thought put into this post. Yates is playing pretty clean, which I'm not sure what that means because I'm used to him being all over the place, but I like the post.

 

What about Snow's list seems reasonable? There isn't any explanation for his "reads".

 

This was a question that popped into my head as well, fwiw.

 

So what you're saying is that Zander's meta is the same whether he's town or scum, but your plan is to use meta to get a read on him?

 

O.....k?

 

I don't think that was at all what he was saying. He's saying that Zander can mimic his 'townie' tone which makes him a hard wolf to pin down. As I've stated earlier, I think the key is looking at how he cases and his reasons behind it was things gear more into 'serious mode'.

 

No, I'm saying he's one of the players that is difficult for me to read early

 

What are you even reading

 

This game is a mess

 

lol.

 

Ok - I'm hereby accepting you into my village Cory.

 

[unvote]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

[unvote]

[v]Kivam[/v]

 

Explain?

 

I took the bottom to mean that you had previously mentioned AJ as a good lynch?

 

You should have taken it as Lenlo is full of crap, imo.

 

 

Wish - a. may return as true, but if so, I don't know about it.  The only other truly dedicated lurker in this game (based on my experience) is Hallia, and she was already actively posting (and had recently said she was making an effort to be more active).  Keep in mind what I said earlier - I have a lot of mafia experience, but not with most of these players (there's a reason Wombat said he didn't buy my emo headfake, but pretty much everyone else did ... he's played with me for years).  So wrt most of this game's players, asking me if they usually lurk as scum makes as much sense as asking you if they do.  I just don't know the answer.

 

Got it. *nod nod*

What you say here seems genuine. Why did you emo headfake? I don't understand that.

 

Kind of like wish's progression along these pages. She asks questions, gets answers, and evaluates immediately. I don't know her as a player to say this is exclusively townie, but I think it looks good for now.

 

 

(the one I just accidentally self-lynched in),

 

I see you've reached the stage of recovery that is admittance.

 

I'm happy for you.

 

 

[Andrej]

It's like the content gets heavier with each passing page

 

Final beer is gone, btw.

 

But I'm gonna stick it out for this section because I love you guys and I owe it to you.