[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[wish-tree]

 

Okay. I think that if there are three teams of four, as Wombat and Yates proposed, we need to lynch, and fast.

 

Hallia probably not teamed with Kivam because he's pushing her lynch. We could try Nolderf or John Snow. Fine with that.

 

Not sure about CorKey and Wombicat. Either Hallia or Kivam, or they might be on different Mafia teams.

 

 

didnt you just say Cory was a town read....let me check...

 

I did. That's why I said I'm not sure we should lynch him.

 

Then again, I read ClovBFG and Razen as town. lolllll

[alannalynn]

I'm postponing game-homework until I get off work in the morning though. I want to see where I can find connections

[alannalynn]

 

 

Okay. I think that if there are three teams of four, as Wombat and Yates proposed, we need to lynch, and fast.

 

Hallia probably not teamed with Kivam because he's pushing her lynch. We could try Nolderf or John Snow. Fine with that.

 

Not sure about CorKey and Wombicat. Either Hallia or Kivam, or they might be on different Mafia teams.

 

didnt you just say Cory was a town read....let me check...

I did. That's why I said I'm not sure we should lynch him.

 

Then again, I read ClovBFG and Razen as town. lolllll

So your reason for being wary is because you're town reading them? That's... backwards

[wish-tree]

Sorry for formatting weirdness, on mobile.

 

Okay. I think that if there are three teams of four, as Wombat and Yates proposed, we need to lynch, and fast.

 

Hallia probably not teamed with Kivam because he's pushing her lynch. We could try Nolderf or John Snow. Fine with that.

 

Not sure about CorKey and Wombicat. Either Hallia or Kivam, or they might be on different Mafia teams.

Why fast? Wouldn't more time give us a better chance to look at any possivle connections?

 

What are you saying about the bottom group. What are you unsure on?

 

Not denying that more time would give us a better chance. But I don't mind placing votes on people to see how they react.

 

I'm unsure who to lynch on the bottom group.

 

Exhibit A: CorKey- have appeared consistently townie. But so did 4/4 of those night targets from last night.

B: Wombicat- not as townie or reliable as CorKey, imo. But still a town read.

C: Hallia- used to be a town read...but Kivam was right about Lenlo, and that was a ??? for me and scum for Celeste.

D: Kivam- still may be a town read, but the accuracy of the Lenlo lynch and the focus on Hallia may mean that he's just on a separate Mafia team from Hallia. And he knows, because she's not in his team.

 

ughhh

What do you think of this setup?

[Kivam]

Kivam is pretty trustworthy now imo, because he helped end Lenlo and now he's focusing on Hallia, who really hasn't been contributing much recently.

 

I think Cory is safe as well as Yates. Not sure about the others.

 

Can't wait to see the reactions to this one.  Did you miss my post about never getting townread?  But thanks, I really needed that today

 

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

Okay. I think that if there are three teams of four, as Wombat and Yates proposed, we need to lynch, and fast.

 

Hallia probably not teamed with Kivam because he's pushing her lynch. We could try Nolderf or John Snow. Fine with that.

 

Not sure about CorKey and Wombicat. Either Hallia or Kivam, or they might be on different Mafia teams.

 

didnt you just say Cory was a town read....let me check...

I did. That's why I said I'm not sure we should lynch him.

 

Then again, I read ClovBFG and Razen as town. lolllll

So your reason for being wary is because you're town reading them? That's... backwards

 

I know it's backwards...

But honestly, don't know what to think after the flips. Maybe it's reverse psychology and my reads are all wrong. x.x

[Kivam]

 

Kivam is pretty trustworthy now imo, because he helped end Lenlo and now he's focusing on Hallia, who really hasn't been contributing much recently.

 

I think Cory is safe as well as Yates. Not sure about the others.

 

No.

 

 

 

Kivam is never trustworthy.  Ever.

 

 

That I would agree with, but that pertains to you as well Womby...in fact everyone else

 

Knew I could count on you guys.

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nolderf (1): CorKey

Hallia (1): Kivam

Talya (1): Wombicat

Pral (1): Nolderf

Shad (1): Sephander

 

Not Voting: (10): Hallia, Sili, Laine, Shad, Talya, Pral, Yates, John Snow, Csarmi, Wish/Celeste

 

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

 

Day 2 Deadline is Thursday, August 20, at 10:00 AM MST/1PM EDT:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150820T09&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[wish-tree]

 

Kivam is pretty trustworthy now imo, because he helped end Lenlo and now he's focusing on Hallia, who really hasn't been contributing much recently.

 

I think Cory is safe as well as Yates. Not sure about the others.

 

Can't wait to see the reactions to this one.  Did you miss my post about never getting townread?  But thanks, I really needed that today

 

Didn't see that.

 

People just said... no...way. XD

 

The flips have basically reset my reads. I'm starting to think that my town reads potentially could be scum. Though... I really want to trust Yates, CoryKey, Wombat, and you atm. Could be a terrible idea. Probably is.

:/

[keyholder21]

@wish - ok. Why only those 4?

[Kivam]

Kivam's doing damage control for Mish.  He's probably US mafia with Razen.

 

How do you figure?

 

As for damage control ... Mish overreacted to LAH theorizing that I actually agreed with becauase she felt threatened.  Beyond that I can't really answer for my ex-other head.  Just playin my game

 

[Kivam]

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Sephander (4): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo

Kivam (5): Hallia, Nyce, Sephander, Sili, Laine

Lenlo (2): CorKey, Razen

John Snow (2): Pral, Wish/Celeste

Laine (1): Yates

Hallia (1): Talya, Kivam

 

 

Not Voting (3): Csarmi, Nolderf, AJ

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

Let's get this puzzle step by step. This was around the time Lenlo lynch started.

 

Note Lenlo and ClovFG voting Sephander. Both Len and Clov are from the Hungarian mafia team. It doesn't look like bus at all but a counter-train. That means, Sephander is NOT hungarian. It is very probably that Kiv is in Lenlo's team, and a counter train was created to put heat on sephander.

 

 

This theory is straight up insane, since there's no reason that Clov and I would have jumped to Lenlo's train rather than Zander's at EoD.  And if we were just looking for a bus target, I would have been the obvious choice, since I was already catching heat and Lenlo wasn't.  That's a pretty convoluted theory that I just don't get.

 

[Yates]

Yates this don't make sense. being really present on thread might make someone uneasy cause they know what's going on, but then their vote also has reasoning behind it. The only people who shy away from voting are those who don't want to appear a certain way, like overly aware or comfortable in your instance.

Really?? The only people who shy away from quick votes are people "trying to appear a certain way?"  

 

I'm trying to figure the game out.  And you are not answering my question.  Based on all of these moving parts, how confident are you in your vote?

[keyholder21]

Finally back on a computer.

 

*snipped*

 

What do you think of this setup?

That it was unexpected, but I'm rolling with what we know.

[wish-tree]

@wish - ok. Why only those 4?

I was answering Yates's question. :3

[Yates]

Alright.  I'm going to a BBQ.  Don't burn this place to the ground while I'm gone.

[Kivam]

 

 

Kivam's doing damage control for Mish.  He's probably US mafia with Razen.

 

How did you get there from Mish?

 

 

Seph misrepped me.  Razen spun it in a bad way.  Mish spun it in the same bad way and voted me.  I called Mish out and Seph agreed with me, acted like it was a trap and never followed through with that.  Seph super misrepped Kivam and so did Laine.  Iirc everyone else who did is already dead.

 

Conclusion:  Kivam is cops mafia and Seph/Zander and Laine are US or Hungarian mafia.

 

 

And this is almost as insane. I mean your theory is that because Mish and Razen had the same take on you, they must (a) both be scum; and (b) both be on the same team?  (A) at least sort of follows (if you're bad at this game) from the logic that "player X is wrong therefore Player X is scum".  (B) does not.  Assuming you're a townie, a Usual Suspects mafioso or a Hungarian mafioso can't agree with a Cops Mafioso?  I'll grant you that it's pretty clear that Seph and I aren't both members of the same mafia team (though we may both be townies), between my run at Zander and Seph's reaction to Mish.  But how you could draw a specific team alignment out of that chain of deductions is a complete mystery.

 

Working theory: You are Hungarian mafia (since your spin is pure scum and mixing up US and Cops seems genuine).  Since the Hungarians are down two goons and no power role, you may well be their version of the watcher/tracker/whatever.  [unvote][v]Shad[/v]

 

[Kivam]

I would like to kill the eponymous mafia team.  All in favor?

 

Funny.  I'd like to kill them all.  So Aye.

 

US and Hungarians are both down two men.  The sooner we take them out, the fewer kills will be in the game

[Kivam]

Shad you dont like yourself this game....and its starting to worry me....will look back to confirm suspicions

 

Uh ... Shad is scum.  MOST OF THIS GAME IS SCUM.  Any random lynch we make likely has a roughly 50% chance of taking out a mafia member; seriously, draw a name out of a hat and I'll lynch it today.  Our goal has to be to take out one of the teams as quickly as possible to get some of the kills out of the game.  Only way town can win.

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nolderf (1): CorKey

Talya (1): Wombicat

Pral (1): Nolderf

Shad (2): Sephander, Kivam

 

Not Voting: (10): Hallia, Sili, Laine, Shad, Talya, Pral, Yates, John Snow, Csarmi, Wish/Celeste

 

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

 

Day 2 Deadline is Thursday, August 20, at 10:00 AM MST/1PM EDT:

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150820T09&p0=197&msg=Day+Two+Deadline&font=cursive&csz=1

[Kivam]

 

 

 

Seems like jumping to a lot of conclusions to me but whatever.

Well, I am looking for connections - something that was not obvious before we knew what we know now. Why do you think the reasoning is exaggerated?

 

 

Kiv as probably Hungarian seems a bit premature imo given that Lenlo ended up being a countertrain to him.

 

Did Kiv have a choice? Some of Lenlo's early voters - Razen, AJ were not in his team. Don't know about Corkey and Yates. Likely not. Then BFG bused him. Before Kiv could do anything there was a countertrain.

 

 

Yes.  Zander.  Add me, Lenlo and Clov to his lynch and see what happens.

 

Or CFD to Csarmi (same math, IIRC)

 

[Kivam]

Shad and Pral both pushing Kiv at the same time for a different mafia read.  Seems legit.

 

RL LOL

[Kivam]

Shad is pretty obviously Hungarian Mafia imo, so if we want to take out one of them we could go there.  Pral is my best bet for a teammate of his atm.

 

So we're sharing a brain today, huh?

 

[Kivam]

 

 

But basically, in order to have 3 mafia teams, you kind of need more than half of the game to be mafia.  Otherwise they just kill each other off too fast.

So if the Turk is 3rd Party, that would be 13/20 anti-Town?

 

 

I dunno man I'm not the mod and I can think of multiple ways I could do it even if I were.  Could go with really souped up teams of 3, but that gets even swingier.

 

 

You're forgetting the theme. 

US

pretty much has to be 4

(without Verbal)

or 5

(with)

 

 

(Spoiler tags for those who haven't watched the movie)

 

[Kivam]

 

Could go with really souped up teams of 3, but that gets even swingier.

Meh. Bunch of dead goons, a tracker, and a watcher. Tracker and watcher are kind of nerfed cops for finding other scum teams. Plus, Hungarians have two dead goons so they can't be THAT souped up.

 

Just don't know why it couldn't be 10 and 10. Or if there's a 4th team - 4 teams of 3. I just don't know who the 4th team would be.

 

Never watched the movie?