Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Andrej]

I read of Dice's "tunnel" on Ley in the ME2 game. He took something that happened between Ley and me on the way Ley is and kept on about it, it wasn't so much as to do with a play or response as more personal. Not sure this is making sense.

 

Here it is zooming on on reactions as soon as he sees them, there is was fluff and waiting to find something he could jump on and it was more about Ley being funny about grammer. Does that make more sense. He also was jumping on a band wagon.

 

Anyway, this feels more like a towny Dice to me. Alanna's reactions to me don't feel off though.

 

I take that back.

 

Dice was discussed between the two and it seems they're taking opposite sides on the argument.

 

The underlined bit makes me a little wary. Can't fault her too much because I think this was the thread's general consensus about the reaction, I felt similarly, but yeah.

[Andrej]

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@Talya: Because I have emotions. lol And I think I said something about Verbals scum game being terrible which I know was mean and untrue. At that point I was pushing a lynch on two people that I had a guilty read on but I didn't reveal as cop, so I just kept pushing until the lynch went through. I think I stated earlier that I'm also uncomfortable being unsure. In the past few games as town I've had a PR (Hider, Doc, Cop) so if feels odd relying on my own reads? Hopefully this makes a little more sense.

 

I can understand the emotions, but I would have thought you shouldn't feel guilty over cop viewing someone wolf and then them claiming your role halfway through. I think if you hadn't have viewed them I could probably more understand, it was just something I noticed that's all, and I guess we all feel differently about things.

 

 

I read of Dice's "tunnel" on Ley in the ME2 game. He took something that happened between Ley and me on the way Ley is and kept on about it, it wasn't so much as to do with a play or response as more personal. Not sure this is making sense.

 

Here it is zooming on on reactions as soon as he sees them, there is was fluff and waiting to find something he could jump on and it was more about Ley being funny about grammer. Does that make more sense. He also was jumping on a band wagon.

 

Anyway, this feels more like a towny Dice to me. Alanna's reactions to me don't feel off though.

 

I'm not so much looking at WHY he jumped on these things in the circumstances, but how and how he carried it out.

 

I tried to look at content too there, he jumped on Ley when everyone was already pushing a lunch on Ley and seemed to want find an excuse to vote him, and went on and on being more sarcastic over something that wasn't play, but to do with his reading and grammar etc. In this game and SW he jumped on things he has seen when they happen and looked at that those and thought they were scummy...not saying he is always right, but there is a difference in play. I think this is another we will beg to differ. I would however like to hear if it was just that reaction that made him think you were wolf or your whole game, he hasn't answered that yet.

 

@Dice, do you haveany other reads, and can you answer the question about how you see Alanna outside the response to you?

 

More Talya/Laine interactions. I like that she picked up on the strangeness of Laine's comment about Thane. Overall though she seems to agree to disagree on both subjects but that doesn't seem to make her uncomfortable about Laine in any way? Idk - will need to continue on to see if she posts a reads list or something and where she has Laine on it but typically if I think someone is representing something wrongly I tend to see them negatively.

 

so long post on Thane:

 

 

 

 

hello all..

 

i mostly agree that not all vigs should shoot N1.. that'd be a massacre and town suicide imo. Now that i'm on the good side again, let's wreck some wolves and get the lynching spree going!

 

If only i had found a susect yet.... but i will!!!

 

*hands drinks all around*

 

i'll peek in during the weekend *nods*

 

What do you mean by mostly agree. And the Second part sounds like you are trying too hard. What are your wolf reads so far (apart from your OMGUS on Hally)

 

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

 

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

 

He says this about Yates ^^

 

And this is the response to Alanna

 

i'm just messing with Yates a bit. He can be valuable for town if he's town, so he's not really a D1 lynch for the moment. The past couple of pages, for me, were quite a lot D1 andnot much gameplay.

 

FTR: i don't do sports... ugh....

 

And, beer and chocolate ice cream rock! but it's not worth voting you for that Alanna let the game decide wether or not you deserve to be lynched

 

The last part to me seems quite genuine...I can see this I don't like day one and things always seem a little better after first lynch or nk!

 

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

 

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices.... 

 

He brings up the nk again - he seems to believe that wolves have nks but Darthe later says they don't...again for me this feels more genuine than trying to push him not being wolf and acting ignorant about the nk.

 

SHOULD the wolves use their vig shots N1, the pool of suspects would get rather small. So, imo, they have a NK as well. It's going to be interesting how this will play out

 

Below is the second time he mentions Pral and Verb (he knows Verb is never on at weekends). The first part of the bolded he is correct, and I don't like lynching people who haven't even posted, the second part sounds good...but why put the question mark there, that should be a statement.

 

for the moment, Zander is the only one i trust here. I can always Vig him if he betrays me in another game.

 

As for Verb and Pral, they'd be 0 info lynches. Would be nice to wreck some wolves without too much town casualties this game, and we'd need to gather info to do so, right?

 

I'll be coming and going this weekend, depending on how the kids want to spend their time *nods*

 

I like below that he doesn't care if who he thinks is wolf is not to everyone's liking.

 

goodmorning all *has coffee and distributes where necessary*

 

Alanna: i tend to ping all the time, it has gotten me mislynched quite a few times. But it's how i play. If someone townreads me D1, that player is suspicious to me.

 

BFG: Happy to see you! Very nice entrance. I noticed you saw me mentioning Verb and Pral and me not wanting to lynch them. I don't, they need to play first. As far as lynching goes: the prime suspect would give most information, and personally i don't feel like there's a lot of diffirence between lynching a likely wolf and an infolynch. After all: you lynch suspects to get to a wolf, all the time.

 

Dice: wow, didn't think you would be in. and some post it is.... interesting.  

 

 

Odd post - sounds like he is sitting on the fence about BDG and then wants to treat her as a suspect.

 

@ Thane - can you clarify your thoughts on BFG and why do you have those reads?

 

unlike the previous game, there's 0% chance i'll flip scum here.

 

as  for entrance, i like how you get into the game immediately BFG. No fluff there. So, i'm mixed. Either very town and on it, or wolf and doing everything to hide.

 

mind if i treat you as a suspect, BFG?

 

First bolded, say it but don't do it. Your are voting to find wolves not because someone hasn't had chance to vote yet...don't like that statement

 

Last bolded I totally agree with this, but not alignment indicative for him

 

is it wrong to say that people who haven't even played yet shouldn't be lynched? I don't think so. 

 

I'm wary of people who either fully townread me D1 or vote me D1.... people who townread me D1 have TMI, in my opinion. People who vote me go for an obvious easy mislynch D1. That's how i feel about it, anyways.

 

As for Zander, i get more of a town feeling than null on him. I honestly think that we'd notice in his gamestyle if he'd have randed wolf. And, in the case of him fooling me, i'll disown him.  

 

D1 is the hardest day of the entire game. I'm better at connecting dots after a flip than reading players on what is said D1.

 

The OMGUS vote

 

 

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever... 

 

I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

 

 

 

 

I want to hear a lot more from Thane.

 

Apart from her vote on you why Hallia?

 

Who do have as town reads?

 

Who do you have as your bottom reads?

 

There are points above that I have liked about things you have said, but the last couple are not so good, I'm leaning more town than wolf at present, but would like answers to the questions above please

 

Doing an ISO of Thane early on - seems to be sort of inconclusive with the result. BFG mentioned she earlier as looking good for Talya, not sure I would agree 100% but she [Talya] certainly isn't playing lazy at the least.

 

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Unfortunately I can, Zander. Thoughts on other players? 

 

Theres not much to go on but Im feeling good On Yates.  Finding him way more into the game and he's just Yatesing.(tm pending)

 

Like AJ tone much better

 

Alanna is always mayor in my town!

 

Only one kinda pinging me in the least is Talya can't quite put my finger on it.

 

You keep saying this and recently as well, you tried to post something which wasn't really anything, why do I feel you are looking for a reason to vote me but can't quite find it! Why is alanna "mayor" to you, what is it she has done that makes you think she is town?

 

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This bit right here is probably pretty defining of the Zander/Talya relationship I am seeing. Here Talya questions Zander over his town read on Laine - and I can't decide whether I think it looks good or bad for her. Does she think it's fishy on Zander's part (especially in light of Laine flipping wolf) or does it show TMI?

 

It's one of the two imo. Either Zander is intentionally misclearing his wolfmate in Laine (and her doing likewise with him) or Talya knows Laine is a wolf and is questioning Zander on the bad read. Wanna see this flesh out a bit more but I feel this part is important.

 

@ Rand was gonna quote.  We agree on almost everything except Alanna, not getting lynched on my watch.  we wreck towns together and shes playing very much like the other games we've played together in.  One thing we agree on is Talya though.  i like some of the pints you made on her!

 

Also Rand roots for the 9ers so pretty much clears him...lolololol

 

 

Zander?

[Andrej]

 

 

Unfortunately I can, Zander. Thoughts on other players? 

 

Theres not much to go on but Im feeling good On Yates.  Finding him way more into the game and he's just Yatesing.(tm pending)

 

Like AJ tone much better

 

Alanna is always mayor in my town!

 

Only one kinda pinging me in the least is Talya can't quite put my finger on it.

 

You keep saying this and recently as well, you tried to post something which wasn't really anything, why do I feel you are looking for a reason to vote me but can't quite find it! Why is alanna "mayor" to you, what is it she has done that makes you think she is town?

 

 

Alanna is Mayor because we wreck wolves.  You played Star Wars right and ME.  Shes playing the same way this question is a poor look on you imo,  I covered this already Tone and Gut really.  Ive learned to trust my gut....it lunches wolves.

 

lol

 

Literally the next page. Never seen Zander wolf but would he be so blatant about misclearing one of his partners here??

[Andrej]

Gonna stop for now because I keep getting distracted. It's been about 3 hours and I've only been able to get through 7 pages of the thread - but even so I think I'm starting to see things shape up a bit more. My feelings about it coming down to Talya/Zander after Verb are getting reinforced the more I see them argue on D1.

 

BFG

Dice

 

Thane

 

Talya/Zander

 

Verb

 

Place marking pg 27 for when I get back later tonight. Gonna be having dinner at the future-in-laws this evening but I figure I can get another hour or two of reading in before I go to sleep tonight.

[dicetosser1]

Dice, Thane it would probably be better to give Verb a chance before voting

 

Was already doing this

[Andrej]

Dice who are you thinking besides Verb?

[dicetosser1]

i really dont know at this point

 

 

  Thane is a little off. He isnt seeing things he should see and im not sure he derps THAT much.

 

I do want to get Talya/Zander sorted. Im more likely to go Zander then i am Talya

 

im worried you are deep wolfing on me. You are doing a bit of that Town Leading thing I have seen you do as mafia but it does feel a little different. You are like a permanent tinfoil for me lately lol

 

 

So after Verbal my WTL would be Zander Thane   id probably go Zander first

[Andrej]

Well stop tinfoiling lol. You were pretty confident with me earlier. I was wrong about Rand but I just flat out didn't believe him. Feel good about the Verb lynch and I'm confident we all can work out the last wolf together

 

I'm leaning more the other way with Talya/Zander atm. Talya's posts have been pretty spot on all game but there are times when I feel like she might be playing with perfect info. I'm not sure I see Zander/Laine hard clearing each other as wolves together unless they really expected to sweep this game or something

[Andrej]

Thane I am back and forth on. I wanna believe he's a villager but there are times when he says stuff and I start to question him again.

 

I also really don't like how Laine handled him by sitting on the fence about giving a read and yet defending him at other points.

[Andrej]

I'm awake (barely) and catching up. I don't know why we're voting Hally though, this is basiclaly the only time I've town read her which is odd but I think good;; and I'm pretty sure I don't get the argument against Shad, though. He's high on my list with Zander at this point.

 

Zander, not sure why you're voting Talya, I've got her in ??? until I can figure her out better, like BFG.

Hmmmmm

[Andrej]

@ Alanna  for town to win we need to be on the same page.  please re read Talya!!!

Zander encouraging his wolfmate to reconsider a read on thread?

 

Not likely imo

[Andrej]

Read at present:

 

 

AJ - I have had a good feeling about his posts, I don't see the tunneling that some do, I saw that in the SW game on Seph and this seems more logical and thought out.

Hally - not voting her today, I have really like her posts and thought processes.

BFG - Her questioning and opening part of the game seem sound to me.

 

Dice - I did get a town read on his initial posts to Alanna, I would like to hear more from him

Thane - he had a couple of posts I didn't like towards the end, with his OMGUS vote, but overall, I have a town feel on him.

Shad - I like his posts first of all, I went back and reread, I think I looked too deeply into what he was saying and got a little wrapped up in it. not as high as first, but still on the towny side

Laya - I have like the first few posts he has done, not agreeing with his vote on Hally, positive feel atm

Yates - I have liked posts so far, his thing he did, I don't see what the point of that was if he was wolf, in another game where another team maybe, but can't see what information he would get out of it as a wolf. The only way would be if he was trying clear team mates, I know I'm town, so I'm not seeing this. Still hasn't answer my question on Hally thought. slight town read.

Alanna - I'm not getting a town read on her, however not getting a strong wolf read. There have been a couple of things that I have noticed mainly to do with Thane, and this brings her down to a null

Zander - He grates at me, and I'm not sure where this makes me want to put him. He did this in the last game, and is doing it here, not sure if that means he is town here. There doesn't seem to be any progression in his reads and seems to push others for what they think and then jumps on that.

Rand - Really didn't like his first few posts, there was more fluff in them than needed, and quite a bit has happened so missed a lot, seemed to pick on some inane things to point someone Alanna as scum, although I don't like her stuff with Thane, his did seem reaching. Quite happily vote here

Verb - Verbal, Verbal, where for art thou Verbal -send out a search party

 

the list sort of goes down from Town to mafia, (Apart from Verb), some in the middle can easily go up or down though

QFR

[Andrej]

 

 

1st Bold- We'll compare batting avg's at the end of the game brother...but pretty sure over the last 2 im batting much higher....or wait can it get higher then 1.000...im not sure the maths are pretty hard. Also not feeling Thane as scum really just was more PoE.  willing to bet theres at least one wolf in the other 2 though.

 

 

lol

 

Yeah? Well mine's bigger  :laugh:

 

im never voting AJ!!!!  lolololololol

If Zander is a wolf I'll be disappointed

 

This isn't really game related in the sense of casing or whatever - but I loved the vibe of this post and his reaction to it.

[Andrej]

even if i'm bloody on, what can i even say? 1) i check other boards than mafia on DM, 2)  i lost track of this game more than 20 pages ago and i have not caught up, not will i ever. 

 

This'll probably be my last game for a long time to come. It's just not fun anymore and i can't bring myself to even put any effort into it. 

 

If you're all so keen on getting me lynched: FINE. Maybe the night will take care of things, so there's that.

 

:(

[Andrej]

^ shot, not NKed

???

[Andrej]

i don't ever see a townie kill Pral here though... With the little he posted, it doubt it'd have been enough for any townie to decide to off him. Perhaps wolves feared Pral could helpe solve easily? Or they just wanted to confuse us, which is working.

 

I am however quite ... i dunno... cautious and suspicious here.... Looking at the remaining players, and how strong they are.... killing off AJ, Laine or Verb (even if he didn't participate much yet) would have made more sense imo as wolfkill.

 

One of those posts that makes me frown a little.

 

Perfect info or good intuition?

[Andrej]

Maybe I'l try it this way. In the other games like SW and ME everyone at some point starting reading Talya as Maf or into a PoE this game no one but me is.  Those other games she a little more all over the place this game very concise like she KNOWS who is who,  Like she has to putting EVEN more effort and thought into what she says and does to leave little to no space for error.   Town!Talya is a little more... carefree maybe the word im looking for.   I hope my explanation makes sense.  My gut is telling me somethings up here and so Im following it.

Can't hate this post.

[Andrej]

 

how does this link to verb?  you think hes just jumped and went to Rand or what?  I think Verbs a slight town read atp.  But obv not a lot to go on.

 

 

More or less. Still wanna see more from both parties before I can really reconcile this thought but I tend to work this way when evaluating how players handle one another when you can look back once flips are revealed.

QFT

[Andrej]

Btw if anyone has questions on my alignment just read pg 58 again :)

 

Laine giving lots of town reads on pg 59 and its throwing me off.

 

"I'm glad to see town Verb" or something to that affect. Town reads him for his back and forth with Zander and likes that he's town reading Shad.

 

???

 

Calls Talya's post talking about why Rand is suspicious "a town Talya post"

 

Somebody else look at this please and give me some insight. They're too big to quote without trimming and I'm on mobile

[Andrej]

Calling it a night. On pg 60 now

[Andrej]

It would appear we're back in business.

[BFG]

Ugh, I'm hoping/ assuming that we'll have an extension. But welcome back everyone

[Andrej]

I guess we'll see. DM has been having a lot of issues lately

[BFG]

Based on your last but one post DM was out for at least 15 hours or so, that's over 1/4 of Day.

[BFG]

This is where I am at the moment, this is based off a partial reread of Day 2 and memory.

 

 

Dice is my strongest read for all sorts of reasons. The only possible negative I have is that during Day 1 there weren't many reads outside of Laine, AJ, Yates and maybe Thane (was technically Night 1, that I recall). I liked the way that he kept returning to Laine as a suspect; last time I saw him bus he bussed with a logical reason, but his vote just sat there. I also don't see Laine's appeal heading in a teammates direction. Dice is the read I wager the game on, so to speak.

 

 

 

Problem is that after Dice I feel like everyone's a little scummy but mostly townie :/

 

AJ I'm having to work to not tinfoil on (sorry bro ), but every time I want to I come back to Day 2, when he pretty much built the case on Laine that got her lynched. Laine wasn't really under any pressure before that, as most people were mostly ignoring Dice (sorry). The only negatives are that AJ was last to vote, despite being the second (first person being Dice) to pressure Laine. And yesterdays argument about Verb/Rand seemed a little 'eager'?

 

 

 

 

Zander is mixed but likely town, maybe, hopefully? I like his presence on thread, I do NOT like the tunnel. As an involved party in that, his tunnel looks to me entirely like a way of burying his vote and attention. He KNEW that even if he was right on me and Talya that there was a third yet he kept dismissing everybody else as town regardless. I am finding it extremely difficult to look past that. He also completely ignored my ISO on him, and I figure Zander as being a more reactive player than that. Against that, does Laine appeal to Zander to read her as town if they're teammates (kind of like the Dice thing above). And earlier Pg 60ish Zander EXPLODES at Laine when she suggests that he's been saying that Rand/Talya could be a team, I don't see this reaction against a teammate. He's both soft and hard defended Laine for much of the game, BUT he's hard and soft defended most players on thread EXCEPT Talya and myself. This goes back to the tunnel thing, and although I don't think the defending a flipped mafia is a great thing, it doesn't look awful in context. If that 'wreck towns' post turns out to be a genuine slip then I'm going to scream, possibly literally.

 

I have a horrible, horrible feeling that Zander and I are going to wind up clashing in every game if he IS town in this one :(

 

I think on balance that Zander is ~more likely town than not. Given that I have to pay more attention to his read on Talya

which makes me sad

 

 

 

 

Thane for me is random. Completely so. Reads from Day 1; include me as overall null-suspicious despite sounding townie (or something like that). Reading between the posts, he has Dice as scummy for Dices aggression towards Laine, which has since evolved to 'distancing'. The things I have as null-townie can all be described as 'derpclear' in a way and I have to actively work to not automatically regard them as scummy: whether or not mafia have a NK seperate to vig shots speculation, the disbelieving me as doc, ATE (which I don't honestly know how to read, I've never seen Thane get that aggressive/emotional in a game ever. In the back of my head is Cindy saying math=mafia

 

In a sense the towniest thing I have for him is his belief that everyone 'should' be reading him townie for 'reasons' which is a pretty poor reason to find someone townie. So I'm kind of going to go off thread consensus here, which is also mixed . I can't clear him or condem him based on content. He's had 'little' interaction with most of the thread which makes it harder as well. I want to believe his ATE/threat to quit/derp moments are ~more likely to come from town!Thane but I don't know.

 

I actually hate this, I've played a lot of games with Thane and I can't read him. At all, and I feel like that's me playing badly/failing :/

 

 

This leaves me with Talya and Verb :(

 

 

Talya Literally the only thing I have is that she may be one of the 'too clean' mafia. I agree with most of her posts, including the confusion about a lot of players. What becomes really interesting if Verb flips mafia, that if it is Talya then that means his train 'analysis' pointed away from all his teammates, which is smart. Laine also possibly tries to set me up after a Talya flip ~

 

 

Verb I have marginally more on Verb than the others, but most of it's based on thread absence, and a lot of that was holiday/weekend stuff and not avoiding the thread. I do feel that he's been reserved on thread, and this game didn't come back into thread under pressure. I feel like I don't know how he feels about most players, and that's an alarming lack of transparancy :/ I don't know Verb well enough to know if transparancy is his schtick though.

 

 

At this stage I kind of 'want' it to be Thane/Verb, because I'd rather my read on Talya was correct, but I think maybe Verb/Talya is more likely?