Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Andrej]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Laine said she doesn't play well as vanilla earlier. On my phone so dragging it up will be a pain but maybe I can grab it. She was explaining how she had been a PR the last few games so her lack of push this time around is because she's more uncertain.

 

Not sure why that equates fwiw. Even townies with PR are playing with the same perspective for the most part.

[Andrej]

 

i'm pretty much certain that Hallia was not a wolf kill.....Rand, you need to step up your game, i'm getting inclined to put a vote on you.

 

i can understaand the people having some doubts about Laine. I've stated in a previous post that she is lacking the town leader spirit this game... that's how i feel about her at least.

 

Dice never reacted on where i put him on my list. I think he would have if he'd be town.

Sorry Thane, combination work and lack of sleep. To be fair, in the last three town games I had a PR so I guess I suck as a vanilla? I'm doing my best

Here it is.

[Zander?]

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

[Shad_]

Laine on Rand D1

 

Null read, fair enough:

 

 

 

But for reals though:

 

Town: Zander Shad

Townish: Hally Andrej Yates

Mixed/IDK: Talya BFG

Scumish: Dice Thane

 

Null: Verb Pral Rand

 

 

Rand calls Laine scum for derp reasons, Laine responds by explaining that Dice sounds like he did as scum in Mass Effect.  (BFG later debunks this I think?)  She says she felt awful sorry for having to lynch Thane and Verbal in SW.  Poor scum.    Laine is talking to Rand like there is nothing remotely awkward about his reads of her, chummy really.

 

 

 

 

 

lets look at this.  Have I been here?  No. Is that my first post on return? YES. Could it have been a joke while i was catching up? YES.

 

Did you react badly? YES.

Ive been gone for awhile, but this seems like normal dice.

 

 

Yes i joked. with like my SECOND POST.  Keep talking laine  throwing blame like that is making me more certain

 

yates test seemed jokey in nature yet he is calling poeple town off it.

 

AJ was sudden with that vote on shad. I think he saw something that caused a gut vote

I don't care if it was your first post, second post, 20th post.. we're on page 18 and you posted a joke vote in the middle of game talk instead of adding to the current goings-on. Do you at least see where I'm coming from? Look back at how I reacted to the other votes on me, I even commented that I'll probably get vigged tonight as a joke. So you can't really say my comment was an overreaction.

 

Ehh, seems like you're reaching to find a reason to turn him into scum for a joke vote, anti-town read.

 

 

Well who would have figured on July 4th nowhere would be open? I really really wanted Asian food of some sort but all closed. At least I have booze. I'll just make a pizza 

 

Thane always pings a little. I would feel bad lynching him though after Star Wars

 

So he pings a little but would feel bad after SW game Why. He was wolf there, why would you feel bad here

 

This reminded me, another scummy read on Laine, don't like the whole feeling bad for Thane thing.  Makes me think you know what side Thane is on.

 

Middle Earth was a bit unconventional in a sense because it had two scum teams so even as a wolf I could genuinely town/scum hunt. Probably also one of my (if not the) best games to date so I wouldn't consider the standard for how I play imo.

 

Anyway - good morning :)

Eh, this seems like he's trying too hard to make people seem he is town by giving ideas of what his scum self is like, Not buying it.

 

So basically town reads on Yates, Shad, and Thane

Scum reads on Alanna, Talya, AJ

 

For now, [v]Alanna or Laine?[/v] not good at nicknames sorry

 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 7:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (2/7): Dice

No lynch (2/7): Yates, Talya

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (1/7) Thane

 

Not Voting (5/13):

BFG, Verb, Laya, Laine, Zander, 

 

 

 

is that a typo on Laine or no?

 

Hi Rand! I haven't seen you in forever lol

You can call me Alanna or Laine, I don't care either way.

 

Bold: Not really reaching for a reason to turn him into an anti town read. I didn't even put him to a scummish read until I looked back to see how he behaved as scum in the Mass Effect game, because someone brought up that he wouldn't tunnel as mafia. I was more exasperated than anything when talking with Dice last night.

 

To the underlined: Not really, I felt really bad pushing the lynch on Verbal/Thane hydra in Star Wars because I forced the lynch to go through after getting a guilty cop read and I was kinda mean. This game though I can't be sure and that makes me uncomfortable.

 

 

 

Rand responds saying he's less suspicious of Laine now but still has a scummy read of her.  Real casual tone but he's been consistent about that with everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

lets look at this.  Have I been here?  No. Is that my first post on return? YES. Could it have been a joke while i was catching up? YES.

 

Did you react badly? YES.

Ive been gone for awhile, but this seems like normal dice.

 

 

Yes i joked. with like my SECOND POST.  Keep talking laine  throwing blame like that is making me more certain

 

yates test seemed jokey in nature yet he is calling poeple town off it.

 

AJ was sudden with that vote on shad. I think he saw something that caused a gut vote

I don't care if it was your first post, second post, 20th post.. we're on page 18 and you posted a joke vote in the middle of game talk instead of adding to the current goings-on. Do you at least see where I'm coming from? Look back at how I reacted to the other votes on me, I even commented that I'll probably get vigged tonight as a joke. So you can't really say my comment was an overreaction.

 

Ehh, seems like you're reaching to find a reason to turn him into scum for a joke vote, anti-town read.

 

 

Well who would have figured on July 4th nowhere would be open? I really really wanted Asian food of some sort but all closed. At least I have booze. I'll just make a pizza 

 

Thane always pings a little. I would feel bad lynching him though after Star Wars

 

So he pings a little but would feel bad after SW game Why. He was wolf there, why would you feel bad here

 

This reminded me, another scummy read on Laine, don't like the whole feeling bad for Thane thing.  Makes me think you know what side Thane is on.

 

Middle Earth was a bit unconventional in a sense because it had two scum teams so even as a wolf I could genuinely town/scum hunt. Probably also one of my (if not the) best games to date so I wouldn't consider the standard for how I play imo.

 

Anyway - good morning :)

Eh, this seems like he's trying too hard to make people seem he is town by giving ideas of what his scum self is like, Not buying it.

 

So basically town reads on Yates, Shad, and Thane

Scum reads on Alanna, Talya, AJ

 

For now, [v]Alanna or Laine?[/v] not good at nicknames sorry

 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 7:

 

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (2/7): Dice

No lynch (2/7): Yates, Talya

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (1/7) Thane

 

Not Voting (5/13):

BFG, Verb, Laya, Laine, Zander, 

 

 

 

is that a typo on Laine or no?

 

Hi Rand! I haven't seen you in forever lol

You can call me Alanna or Laine, I don't care either way.

 

Bold: Not really reaching for a reason to turn him into an anti town read. I didn't even put him to a scummish read until I looked back to see how he behaved as scum in the Mass Effect game, because someone brought up that he wouldn't tunnel as mafia. I was more exasperated than anything when talking with Dice last night.

 

To the underlined: Not really, I felt really bad pushing the lynch on Verbal/Thane hydra in Star Wars because I forced the lynch to go through after getting a guilty cop read and I was kinda mean. This game though I can't be sure and that makes me uncomfortable.

 

Haha hey!!, OK was your nickname Alanna before, because thats what I remember calling you and I don't know if I'm going crazy or not :P

 

Haha feeling guilty because you were mean... I can get that.  I'm going to wait until I can get a better reread to change my vote, but although you're still a scummy read, less so than before.

 

 

 

Laine notices Rand's first post, which also scum reads her.  She casually finds it strange.  Huh?

 

 

 

@Rand: I actually used to be AJ before Andrej was AJ so that's probably why it's confusing haha. I understand what you're saying though, I've been getting better at being town read

 

I just noticed your first post with my responses to the joke votes: you make it seem like I was setting up scum reads on people just for joke voting me? Seems like a strange conclusion, but I may be reading that wrong.

 

 

 

/snip

/snip

 

 

That's how I read it.  AJ was playing for town in Star Wars and his tunnel vision was a work of art.  I think the whole tying Hallia to his scum read of me spews him town.

 

Btw I'm totally getting vigged tonight if AJ has a shot.  :P

 

How does tying Hallia to you spew him town?

and Lol I'm feeling the same way

 

 

 

Asks me about my thoughts on Rand.

 

 

 

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

 

 

My thoughts on Rand:

 

 

 

 

Okay I'll trust you.

 

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

 

A couple things from his catch-up, reading in reverse order:

 

* He says Laine is trying to turn Dice's joke vote against him and set him up as scum.

--This is pretty ridiculous.  Your response to the joke vote was "Dice how is that helping at all? Do you have actual points to make?" and Dice is the one who started tunneling you, not vice-versa.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for explaining his own scum game to people.

--But AJ never did this.  He just explained the atypical set-up of Middle Earth and its implications.  And he was right, by the way.  I ran into the exact problem AJ is describing when I tried to use Middle Earth to study him in Star Wars.

 

* He doesn't like AJ for doubting Darthe would go "derp, gg town" if everyone voted no lynch.  He asks "Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read."  Yet he likes me for researching the rules.  Aren't AJ and I doing pretty much the same thing here?  But I get town cred for it and he's scummy.

 

* He thinks Talya is "fence sitting" on page 9 because she doesn't have a strong read of Yates yet.  Has he ever played with Yates before?

 

* Rand scum reads Laine almost immediately, on the grounds that :???:  I guess he doesn't like that she's joking around with people who joke voted her?  I don't get it.  It's like he thinks the people who joke voted her are total strangers to her, and she's shady for returning the serve.  But if I joke voted a stranger, shouldn't I be the one who looks a bit suspicious?

 

 

 

Thanks for asking me to look into him again Laine!  Kind of reiterated what I was feeling last night and made it more glaringly obvious.

[v]Rand[/v]

Too wolf to be a wolf maybe, but it feels like he drew three town names out of a hat and just went to work trying to dig up whatever dirt he could on them with little regard for anyone else.  Still feeling Thane as scum, but that's more for what he hasn't done yet.  Rand's catch-up is pretty terrible.

 

 

 

Likes my points, is willing to consider voting Rand.  (so I guess moving from null to scum view here?)

 

 

 

I fell asleep.

 

@Shad, I like your points on Rand, I may be willing to go there today

 

@Pral, It sucks because I really am flip flopping on him? Some of his posts are okay, then others have me wanting to read him as scum (such as his reaction vote on Hallia and strange actions around Dice), so it's kinda back and forth for me, especially with the input from others who are town reading him. I posted some of my progression on Thane in my WoT directed at BFG (re:Dice) probably 10(?) pages back.

 

I don't have much longer to be online, I need to be getting ready for work right now

 

[Zander?]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Laine said she doesn't play well as vanilla earlier. On my phone so dragging it up will be a pain but maybe I can grab it. She was explaining how she had been a PR the last few games so her lack of push this time around is because she's more uncertain.

 

Not sure why that equates fwiw. Even townies with PR are playing with the same perspective for the most part.

 

 

 

 

i'm pretty much certain that Hallia was not a wolf kill.....Rand, you need to step up your game, i'm getting inclined to put a vote on you.

 

i can understaand the people having some doubts about Laine. I've stated in a previous post that she is lacking the town leader spirit this game... that's how i feel about her at least.

 

Dice never reacted on where i put him on my list. I think he would have if he'd be town.

Sorry Thane, combination work and lack of sleep. To be fair, in the last three town games I had a PR so I guess I suck as a vanilla? I'm doing my best

Here it is.

 

 

nice catch here, I was waiting on Alannas response before commenting on the bottom part.

[Shad_]

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Laine said she doesn't play well as vanilla earlier. On my phone so dragging it up will be a pain but maybe I can grab it. She was explaining how she had been a PR the last few games so her lack of push this time around is because she's more uncertain.

 

Not sure why that equates fwiw. Even townies with PR are playing with the same perspective for the most part.

Remember when you said you were a straight shooter?  My game's a little sneakier?  Yeah, when I'm sussing someone and ask them a question sometimes I really really don't want other people to answer the question first. 

[Shad_]

 

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Laine said she doesn't play well as vanilla earlier. On my phone so dragging it up will be a pain but maybe I can grab it. She was explaining how she had been a PR the last few games so her lack of push this time around is because she's more uncertain.

 

Not sure why that equates fwiw. Even townies with PR are playing with the same perspective for the most part.

 

 

 

 

i'm pretty much certain that Hallia was not a wolf kill.....Rand, you need to step up your game, i'm getting inclined to put a vote on you.

 

i can understaand the people having some doubts about Laine. I've stated in a previous post that she is lacking the town leader spirit this game... that's how i feel about her at least.

 

Dice never reacted on where i put him on my list. I think he would have if he'd be town.

Sorry Thane, combination work and lack of sleep. To be fair, in the last three town games I had a PR so I guess I suck as a vanilla? I'm doing my best

Here it is.

 

 

nice catch here, I was waiting on Alannas response before commenting on the bottom part.

 

 

Zander gets it.  Town points for you my friend.

[Andrej]

ISTJ

 

Gonna sense imo

[Shad_]

 

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

 

 

My thought process is if Rand is town I think a scum would have voted him.  I don't think a scum voted him.  You do.  So my reason for sussing Rand in this instance does not hold for you.

[Zander?]

 

 

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

 

 

My thought process is if Rand is town I think a scum would have voted him.  I don't think a scum voted him.  You do.  So my reason for sussing Rand in this instance does not hold for you.

 

 

ok this makes sense.  thank you homie.

[Zander?]

General question: If Rand or Alanna end up flipping town after the lynch which gives us more info.

[Andrej]

There was a tidbit earlier I forgot to mention that I spotted this morning regarding Laine. Zander got pretty huffy about it.

 

She said along the lines that Zander continuing to push Talya over Rand made him look like he didn't want to lynch wolves.

 

The caveat being that she's talking about Rand as if his flip is a foregone conclusion. TMI? Foreshadowing a set up of Zander post Rand lynch?

 

Idk - struck me as off. If you guys feel more comfortable going Laine over Rand for toDay I'm happy to move over.

 

Chinese Fire Drill, anyone?

[Zander?]

 

 

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

 

 

My thought process is if Rand is town I think a scum would have voted him.  I don't think a scum voted him.  You do.  So my reason for sussing Rand in this instance does not hold for you.

 

 

Also basing this off your logic and my opinion,  if Rand flips town Talya is that wolf.  AJ is NEVER a wolf in this game imo.

[Andrej]

General question: If Rand or Alanna end up flipping town after the lynch which gives us more info.

Hmmm... Hadn't considered that too much. Honestly if Rand flips town I'm not sure how much value I put into his reads because his reasons don't make sense to me and his conclusions are formed through a thought process I can't follow. It's almost like we're reading separate games.

 

For Laine I really don't know who she has had as suspects other than Dice or Thane - and as some of noted her progression there was pretty sketchy with the perma-null read and "feeling bad" stuff

[Zander?]

There was a tidbit earlier I forgot to mention that I spotted this morning regarding Laine. Zander got pretty huffy about it.

 

She said along the lines that Zander continuing to push Talya over Rand made him look like he didn't want to lynch wolves.

 

The caveat being that she's talking about Rand as if his flip is a foregone conclusion. TMI? Foreshadowing a set up of Zander post Rand lynch?

 

Idk - struck me as off. If you guys feel more comfortable going Laine over Rand for toDay I'm happy to move over.

 

Chinese Fire Drill, anyone?

 

im still up in the air over this tbh.  I really want her to respond to Shad's question first.  before i throw my vote on her atp.

[Zander?]

 

General question: If Rand or Alanna end up flipping town after the lynch which gives us more info.

Hmmm... Hadn't considered that too much. Honestly if Rand flips town I'm not sure how much value I put into his reads because his reasons don't make sense to me and his conclusions are formed through a thought process I can't follow. It's almost like we're reading separate games.

 

For Laine I really don't know who she has had as suspects other than Dice or Thane - and as some of noted her progression there was pretty sketchy with the perma-null read and "feeling bad" stuff

 

 

 

 

 

 

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

 

 

My thought process is if Rand is town I think a scum would have voted him.  I don't think a scum voted him.  You do.  So my reason for sussing Rand in this instance does not hold for you.

 

 

Also basing this off your logic and my opinion,  if Rand flips town Talya is that wolf.  AJ is NEVER a wolf in this game imo.

 

 

thoughts on this AJ?

[Shad_]

So anyway Laine on Rand D2 is a massive pile of multiquotes that I can't even begin to compile. Here's some snips with page references:
 
#1166 p59

Links Rand to where Yates said he'd shoot Hallia, "I feel like you're not even reading the thread, lol"
 
Responds to Rand's questions about me with "Shad's smart, he hasn't played a lot of games (under 5?). His first game he came in knowing way too much and it was really impressive and he's basically the best townie. Not been mafia yet as far as I know, I'll fear for the town's safety when that day comes haha"
 
Regarding AJ's post about wanting to lynch Rand today, says "I would have gone with the Rand lynch yesterday and missed voting before work, but I'm all for this train today based on what I've seen so far."
 
Regarding Zander not being confident about Rand as scum but wanting to lynch him over a no lynch, asks "Why don't you feel Rand is scum, Zander?"
 
New reads list:
 

 

Morning Alanna!!! getting caught up and im around. what are your current thoughts atp?

Current thoughts in my post above, current reads list:
Top town: Shad Zander Andrej
Towny: BFG Verbal Talya
Mixed: Dice
Bottom two: Thane Rand

 

#1173 p59

"Zander: Rand, Dice, Thane? Thoughts"

Note: This was a mix I had recently suggested but said "Meh" to.

 

#1176 p59

@Zander "Would you be willing to vote Rand today or do you believe there is a strong possibility he is town?"

 

#1178 p59

Zander had said: "Rand: Maybe...possibly...meh...i dont know...i could...no....perhaps.....  I wanna see how he responds/progresses first.  Prolly only in the event of it being a No Lynch situation or not.  Cause No Lynch is just stupid.  We need info to game solve.  Better bet Lynch Talya."

Laine says: "If you think they're teammates why not go with majority? In SW I was frustrated on the DT because townies were splitting votes between two scum. I don't see the point in being stubborn in that instance, if what you're saying is true and you do believe they're teammates. And I don't see a Talya lynch happening anytime soon, either. It feels like you don't want to lynch scum, imo"

 

#1235 p62

Takes a lot of heat from Zander for the above post.   (Zander had made it clear before and reiterates to her that he never connected Talya to Rand.)

Laine says: "I misread that last part of your post Zander, I thought you were saying that Rand/Talya are scum together which would make no sense that you'd want to lynch one but not that other, almost like you're trying to protect one. But I see that I misread it, sorry."

 

Mentions to Verbal that she wouldn't mind lynching Dice, Thane, or Rand.

 

Rand: "Sorry, I missed your reasoning on this, was this because I was inactive or townread Thane or something else? Also curious on why you're assuming that the most active participants are town (or you're townreading them), since scum usually likes to have one active participant in the mix to manipulate opinions to what they need."

AJ: "This is the post I was referring to, btw. The part I dislike about it is that from Rand's perspective if we assume he legitimately hasn't read anything - what is the point of making this sort of comment if he doesn't know any better about those players? Not sure if it's inside knowledge or just a general FOS to keep people from getting cleared for their involvement. Maybe both?"

Laine: "Obviously he's trying to spread doubt here with that statement, I remember reading it and it standing out to me"

 

Laine @ Rand:

 

"Rand, it looks bad because Yates was all over Hally on D1, those 6 are only a few that I pulled up which said he was certain Hally was scum and going to kill her tonight with his vig shot. If you're rereading and didn't catch any of that the first time, I just don't understand. My problem is that your question to me "Why would Yates be probable to kill Hallia" feels like you're accusing me of knowing more than I do right now."

 

"Why Andrej? He's playing a pretty clear town game"

 

"Are you freaking kiddin me? Why do you think Hally was a mafia kill when Yates was a vig and Hally was his top suspect? He LITERALLY said (in those posts I linked you to, which you read) that he would vig Hally last night."  (votes Rand)

 

"DUDE, you just responded to my post a page back where I numbered out 1 2 3 4 5 6 of evidence that Yates in all likelihood vigged Hally. HOW can you now say that you "didn't know that he mentioned he wanted to vig Hally"???  I see Shad covers that for me, thanks <3"

 

#1236 p62

I had said: "This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today."

Laine says: "That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig."

[Andrej]

@Zander - IF Rand flips town, and that's a big if imo, then this is something I'd definitely consider.

 

Would also make me suspect Verb a bit as well since he's sort of bandwagoning the theory and now backing off a bit.

 

Would still rather resolve Rand first before I start to tinfoil on others when he could very well be a wolf. I would hate to get off track at this point. Town could very easily be out of firepower based on how roles were randomized and scum probably have at lease one more shot in their pocket.

[Shad_]

There was a tidbit earlier I forgot to mention that I spotted this morning regarding Laine. Zander got pretty huffy about it.

 

She said along the lines that Zander continuing to push Talya over Rand made him look like he didn't want to lynch wolves.

 

The caveat being that she's talking about Rand as if his flip is a foregone conclusion. TMI? Foreshadowing a set up of Zander post Rand lynch?

 

Idk - struck me as off. If you guys feel more comfortable going Laine over Rand for toDay I'm happy to move over.

 

Chinese Fire Drill, anyone?

 

Was going to make this exact observation in follow-up to my last post. :)

[Thane Vakarian]

after reading all the things posted while i was asleep, i'm pretty sure that Laine and Rand are wolves.

 

[v]Rand[/v]

 

this should happen today.  

[Shad_]

 

 

 

No lynch probably means either Rand is scum or Talya and/or AJ are scum.  I don't see all 3 scum avoiding a super easy and excusable mislynch.  I don't think Talya or AJ are scum, so the maths say Rand is before I even look at his posts.

 

can you elaborate on this thought process for me brother.  also if you would  maybe humor me and base it off of Talya being a wolf?  Im not sure but im assuming this was based off off the VC from yesterday's No lynch?

 

 

My thought process is if Rand is town I think a scum would have voted him.  I don't think a scum voted him.  You do.  So my reason for sussing Rand in this instance does not hold for you.

 

 

Also basing this off your logic and my opinion,  if Rand flips town Talya is that wolf.  AJ is NEVER a wolf in this game imo.

 

 

This is true but hard to swallow.  Like I said a while ago, I'd take a good hard look at her at that point.  But let's see the flips before we go there.

[Shad_]

Ok so D1 Rand says a bunch of junk targeted at Laine and she's totally cool with it, makes her weird post about feeling bad for lynching scum in Star Wars.  Avoids criticizing Rand but eventually reaches a willingness to consider voting him when the town is turning that way.  She doesn't actually vote him.

 

D2 she's acting more suss of Rand but, oddly to me at least, starts getting on Zander's case for not voting Rand instead of on Rand's case for being scummy.  Continues her willingness to lynch Rand but won't really assess him herself.

 

After the move on Zander is debunked she switches gears and goes all out on Rand.

 

This is an obvious bussing.  And it doesn't even take into account all of the scum we have on Laine that's not tied with Rand.  They're both wolves and Rand probably already spent his NK.  We should lynch Laine today.

[Andrej]

@Zander - IF Rand flips town, and that's a big if imo, then this is something I'd definitely consider.

 

Would also make me suspect Verb a bit as well since he's sort of bandwagoning the theory and now backing off a bit.

 

Would still rather resolve Rand first before I start to tinfoil on others when he could very well be a wolf. I would hate to get off track at this point. Town could very easily be out of firepower based on how roles were randomized and scum probably have at lease one more shot in their pocket.

Oh - and Laine obviously.

[Zander?]

@Zander - IF Rand flips town, and that's a big if imo, then this is something I'd definitely consider.

 

Would also make me suspect Verb a bit as well since he's sort of bandwagoning the theory and now backing off a bit.

 

Would still rather resolve Rand first before I start to tinfoil on others when he could very well be a wolf. I would hate to get off track at this point. Town could very easily be out of firepower based on how roles were randomized and scum probably have at lease one more shot in their pocket.

 

you know what im with you on this pending Alanna's answer to Shad's question. we need the info from these two to progress this game atp.

 

[v[ Rand [/v]

[Shad_]

[v]Laine[/v] roll with me here.  We can vig Rand or lynch him tomorrow.