Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[BFG]

bfg im REALLY over this.  You want to look more or do i follow my gut?

 

the things that are really conficting me is A) Zander has stayed on Talya ALL game and B) Thane switched to Talya.

 

I think A is less likely to be a gambit and think it would have got sorted earlier if Zander hadnt disappeared     and my gut keeps saying thane

The issue I have is that Sander HASN'T been on Talia all game. He backed off, AFTER Layne was lynched. Its a classic mafia tell, consistently voting to lynch town over the mafia buddy in your list.

 

The 2 things making me really hesitate is first Sanders Post Count over the first 2 days or so, that's insanely impressive if first time mafia (and I know what you think of Post Count), but also whether his change in personality was caused by the accident. He still seems 'with it' and 'present' during the above quoted posts Day 3 (which was late Friday night his time), so I'm not sure about needing to excuse absence here.

[dicetosser1]

his posts today seem more ZANDER  before that he still felt dopey to me but that msay be influenced by skype

[BFG]

distance yes  but not constantly push they should be lynched.  thats why AJ would be bent out of shape i i had been mafia this game

Can you show me where you think he really pushed Talya? And I mean pushed by Sanders standards

[Sili Quirrels]

distance yes  but not constantly push they should be lynched.  thats why AJ would be bent out of shape i i had been mafia this game

distance yes  but not constantly push they should be lynched.  thats why AJ would be bent out of shape i i had been mafia this game

Is that why i barely noticed zander bussing talya when i was a spectator?

 

What makes u t for bussing laine is laines reaction.

[dicetosser1]

i gotta go to work  will be back on in an hr or so

 

 

He didnt go anywhere near the way he went in SW.

 

 

im reading you as you want to lynch zander   that right?

[BFG]

Lol, I don't know about more Zander, and I have no mafia meta to know if there would be a difference. The posts from Day 3 seem coherent enough.

[dicetosser1]

see u in an hr and a bit

[BFG]

i gotta go to work  will be back on in an hr or so

 

 

He didnt go anywhere near the way he went in SW.

 

 

im reading you as you want to lynch zander   that right?

I think so. But I'm frustrated by his absence more than anything.

 

I'm going to continue digging for a bit.

[Sili Quirrels]

you keep saying that but unless i have access to your PM I dont know thats true now do i sili?

Common sense.any wolf hammers town at mylo.

 

Either zander is wolf or wolf team doesnt have a bullet.

[Sili Quirrels]

Common sense says i am town too.

 

I have played maybe 70 games. I have not once seen a wolf cfd away from town at mylo onto another wolf while planning a vacation.

[BFG]

Common sense says i am town too.

 

I have played maybe 70 games. I have not once seen a wolf cfd away from town at mylo onto another wolf while planning a vacation.

Difficult to get away from this

[Zander?]

 

distance yes  but not constantly push they should be lynched.  thats why AJ would be bent out of shape i i had been mafia this game

Can you show me where you think he really pushed Talya? And I mean pushed by Sanders standards

 

 

 

 

distance yes  but not constantly push they should be lynched.  thats why AJ would be bent out of shape i i had been mafia this game

distance yes  but not constantly push they should be lynched.  thats why AJ would be bent out of shape i i had been mafia this game

Is that why i barely noticed zander bussing talya when i was a spectator?

 

What makes u t for bussing laine is laines reaction.

 

 

WTH!!!  IF IT WASNT FOR ME SHE WOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN LYNCHED!!!!

[Sili Quirrels]

It was you or talya. Thane lynched talya over you.

 

If you had given up thane would have lynched you instead.

 

Thane has tje momentum swinging vote on talya.

[Zander?]

It was you or talya. Thane lynched talya over you.

 

If you had given up thane would have lynched you instead.

 

Thane has tje momentum swinging vote on talya.

 

yeah ok it had nothing to do with me being after her...lololololol

[BFG]

 

I'm going to bed.

 

Goodnight all

 

night man im about to do the same...almost 3:30 am here!!!!

 

 

 

well heres what im thinking.  on the off chance Rand flips town is Verb more likely town or a Wolf looking for town Cred especially since he voted rand first instead of Alanna after saying Rand/Alanna was v/w.

 

 

does that make sense or am I off on this thought process.  Rands response to not shooting is making my head spin.

 

 

 

Regardless of how Rand flips Verb is still a wolf most likely.

 

Rand = wolf then we know he was lying as an excuse not to shoot Verb.

 

Rand = town then Verb still probably a wolf because of how he handled yesterday's EOD and voted Rand over a confirmed wolf.

 

Still wanna lynch Rand first though

 

this makes sense.  kinda what i was thinking.

 

 

 

hmm... i kinda like Verb for the moment.... it's scary and confusing.

 

I'll think about a scenario where he isn't wolf, just in case. Which, will not be easy.

 

Chae is in London (meeting BFG among other things) and i have all 3 kids at home. Online time, therefore, is limited.

 

 

 

Question:  do you guys think Rand would stoop to the level of blaming Cloudflare of some technical glitch on why he didn't submit a kill?

 

 

He's either a wolf that used up his shot, or he's a villager who's telling the truth.  But this explanation is pretty bad, which makes me think he might be a villager telling the truth.  I'm back on the fence with him.

 

Just to answer the bolded after reading back a bit: i'd try anything, even the most unlikely scenario, to not get lynched as wolf.

 

 

 

 

How is me wavering on a player I voted for wolfy?

 

It's like you guys want to treat indecision as bad all of a sudden. Wolves can't fake indecision very easily.

 

C'mon AJ, don't make me drag you over the finish line. You're saying I'm a wolf no matter what Rand flips. Me wanting to talk through the situation more is hardly something I should be sussed over.

 

imo- in this case its because you voted for him after claiming Rand/Alanna was v/w and Alanna flipped Wolf and Rand is in the PoE . Now he's still in the PoE and at L-1.  It seems from our PoV that you may know Rand's Alignment.  With Alanna flipping wolf and you voting someone you thought was town over her.  Now after her flip you wanna eiither not vote him for credit or not vote a scummate, (my thought process on this)

 

Does that make sense?  fwiw its worth Ive liked your post and have town read you but that vote on Rand and not Alanna looks very suspect imo.

 

Im still willing to hear you out though.

 

 

 

I'd like to hear more from Dice and Thane on Rand and Verb

 

@ Thane you seem to suspect Dice a little can you elaborate or touch on that please?

 

 

Regardless of how Rand flips Verb is still a wolf most likely.

 

Rand = wolf then we know he was lying as an excuse not to shoot Verb.

 

Rand = town then Verb still probably a wolf because of how he handled yesterday's EOD and voted Rand over a confirmed wolf.

 

Still wanna lynch Rand first though

 

 

I cut the above out of somebody elses quote  thats why it looks weird

 

 

Actually id rather go Verb  Ive got this nagging feeling that Rands gonna flip town. It seems too easy and then theres that first post of his today   its just SOOOO derp!  and the way he wrote it felt very honest to me

 

Plus in your scenario above Verb is always Mafia in either option and you think snows out of shots...so why go him first?

 

 

God I love this game.  GLGL all of you

Rest of Day 2... it's sort of difficult to read these and see Sander as mafia, bit he's dropped off the Talya read.

 

Thane says he likes Verb, but I don't recall this being followed up the day after

[Sili Quirrels]

Thats not what i said.

[BFG]

 

It was you or talya. Thane lynched talya over you.

 

If you had given up thane would have lynched you instead.

 

Thane has tje momentum swinging vote on talya.

 

yeah ok it had nothing to do with me being after her...lololololol

 

Why didn't you vote Talia Day 3, you were very fast onto Rand Day 3 and seemed to be after a fast day.

 

Quotes above show you can build cases, or at the least pull quotes you don't like... why are you hiding in can't build cases?

[Sili Quirrels]

Bfg was zander the first to say verb and rand were w/w? Because i thoight that was aj so then zander is probably reiterating.

[BFG]

I think Shad was the first to say Rand/Verb, go to N2 if you want to see.

 

Not sure on who else agreed or the order

[Zander?]

 

Question:  do you guys think Rand would stoop to the level of blaming Cloudflare of some technical glitch on why he didn't submit a kill?

 

 

He's either a wolf that used up his shot, or he's a villager who's telling the truth.  But this explanation is pretty bad, which makes me think he might be a villager telling the truth.  I'm back on the fence with him.

 

Just to answer the bolded after reading back a bit: i'd try anything, even the most unlikely scenario, to not get lynched as wolf.

 

 

 

 

Common sense says i am town too.

 

I have played maybe 70 games. I have not once seen a wolf cfd away from town at mylo onto another wolf while planning a vacation.

Difficult to get away from this

 

 

 

That's sort of the problem I have :/ I think Thane, you and I all had Zander before Talya... I was lock clearing Thane (at that stage) so what does he gain by switching the lynch?

 

 

is it feasible that Thane did it to totally clear himself to endgame?

 

thought this was kinda interesting.

[BFG]

probably Talya and Thane

 

talyas had good points  has been poking  and her tone is in line with town talya

 

thane  hes not set in STONE  but im confident he is town. hes not the usual town thane i clear day 1 but hes saying things that  bring that to mind.

 

 

Pre-ISO I think my top town reads atm outside of BFG are Dice and Talya. Both were early on the wolf wagon and stayed there pretty solidly throughout D2.

 

I don't think Dice is hard bussing in this scenario and the way Laine spoke to him D2 which I pointed out spews him villa I think. Verb's analysis of Talya when he clears her might spew her as well if he's a wolf.

 

Zander looks bad for his reads D1/D2 in retrospect, but overall he's been pretty present and tone wise I think he's been okay. Never seen him wolf but I'm not sure if he could maintain that for long.

 

Thane helped to lynch Laine D2 and I want to say his reaction vote on Hallia D1 is villagery. The issue I'm having now is how Laine handled him D1 with the soft pushing but still maintaining a null read which a few have pointed out that made her look bad. Also the whole 'I feel bad about lynching him' thing which was sort of a cop out reason not to vote him.

 

In pretty colors:

 

BFG

 

Dice/Talya

 

Zander/Thane

 

Verb

 

 

I want to say 2 strongest town reads are Dice/Talya, but honestly it's hard.

 

 

when looking for town thane its kinda like looking for quiet town dice. Is he saying stuff in a weird way? is it stuff that is a bit against the grain of the game? is he happy and jokey?

 

 

 

 

 

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

 

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

 

According to the CCSOWH if Yates looks towny D1 ignore him if not,,,,,,,,lolololol

 

Yates actually looking more towny thus far then in SW imo.

 

 

Agreed. Need more time to figure him out though. Remember, if he claims mason, we lynch him immediately.

 

I don't like Thane's comment

 

 

 

i'm just messing with Yates a bit. He can be valuable for town if he's town, so he's not really a D1 lynch for the moment. The past couple of pages, for me, were quite a lot D1 andnot much gameplay.

 

FTR: i don't do sports... ugh....

 

And, beer and chocolate ice cream rock! but it's not worth voting you for that Alanna let the game decide wether or not you deserve to be lynched

 

I guess I didn't get the humor in your comment

 

Sports are ew. +1

 

I already had a day 1 lynch scare in Star Wars, I don't think my heart can take that again lol

If I end up getting vigged or lynched for not liking beer or chocolate ice cream, people are mean.

 

 

Laine attempts to attack Thane early on for this comment about voting Yates because he rolls wolf so often.

 

Good look?

 

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

 

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices....

 

Not sure Thane tries to derp clear himself as a wolf. This was on pg 8-9

 

 

 

Still reading - probably gonna stop before too long tbh because it's been a long day and I'm starting to get sleepy. I'll have most of the morning tomorrow to really power through some reading though.

 

It'll be interesting to see the Talya/Zander D1 interactions unfold again with a fresh look. I can't say that I really dislike her calling out his town read of Yates that early but Zander's reply feels so... Zander that it's hard for me to think he wasn't being genuine.

 

 

 

SHOULD the wolves use their vig shots N1, the pool of suspects would get rather small. So, imo, they have a NK as well. It's going to be interesting how this will play out

 

This doesn't really make sense... but again, would wolf!Thane post something like this? I'm not sure.

 

 

 

Well technically we have to kill all the wolves, as Shad and Andrej pointed out, I believe.

 

Doesn't make Talya or Zander less Town.

 

 

I'll trust you on Talya then, I can never read her; it's extremely frustrating. As for Zander, I have no doubts he's town.

 

What does your test say for Shad and Andrej though?

 

 

Red is probably important moving ahead.

 

It's interesting to me that Laine would say she'd trust Yates's read on Talya instead of "forming" her own.

 

"I have no doubts he's [Zander] town." - villa spewed???

 

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately I can, Zander. Thoughts on other players?

 

Theres not much to go on but Im feeling good On Yates.  Finding him way more into the game and he's just Yatesing.(tm pending)

 

Like AJ tone much better

 

Alanna is always mayor in my town!

 

Only one kinda pinging me in the least is Talya can't quite put my finger on it.

 

 

...Zander!

 

 

I still wanna believe you're a villager as I'm going through D1 again - you joke a ton but your tone just reads so genuine. I'll probably never trust you again if you're a wolf this game fwiw, but I might just lock you in as villa and go from there at this point.

 

 

Why? He was scum in Star Wars

 

He's pinging but not the same way. I wasn't even sure he was mafia last game until I got the guilty read, so there's that. I'm less sure this time, but could probably use more time to see.

 

(would feel bad even if scum because I don't like pushing the same lynches-- makes me feel like a terrible person lol)

 

 

This was some really weak reasoning on Laine's part. She soft pushes Thane a bit to start the game and then backs off. Not sure what to make of it, frankly.

 

 

for the moment, Zander is the only one i trust here. I can always Vig him if he betrays me in another game.

 

As for Verb and Pral, they'd be 0 info lynches. Would be nice to wreck some wolves without too much town casualties this game, and we'd need to gather info to do so, right?

 

I'll be coming and going this weekend, depending on how the kids want to spend their time *nods*

 

I'm all for clearing Zander already, but why bring up Verb and Pral like we're going to lynch them? They haven't even made a post yet in the game. Feels like a weird thing to mention. Second sentence in the underlined is odd too, it seems like you want an info lynch more than a wolf lynch. But you bring up Verb and Pral as if they're on the table. 

 

 

Blue: more Zander villa spew??

 

Red: Still very undecided what to make of Laine's argument here - or at least - what the argument means for Thane's alignment. Perhaps her focus was brought to it because she is subconsciously drawn to the mentioning of a certain inactive player? 

 

That said there was a quote I deleted on accident where Laine points out that Thane wrongly addressed BFG on the matter instead of her. I don't want to underestimate Thane, and I sort of feel like I am tbh, but I'm not sure that sort of subconscious disconnect happens if Thane knows he was replying to a point his wolfmate (Laine) was making. Still really on the fence about this whole thing.

 

interesting. I mentioned it because it's quite unusual for you to do things like that (in my opinion). We'll see where this will lead *nods* not bad, dice, not bad.

 

Thane - what's your opinion of Dice seeing this post again and knowing Laine was a wolf?

 

 

 

Before I go though:

 

BFG

Dice

 

Zander

Talya

 

Thane

 

Verb

 

There are reasons I want to clear Thane but Laine's handling of him really sketches me out. Like big time. Talya seems pretty on point reading again but with the numbers dwindling I'm not sure I can continue believing her and Zander are v/v forever. I guess I could be misclearing Zander because he's been more "wrong" thus far scum reading BFG and town reading Laine, but I have hard time getting past the genuineness of his tone.

 

Unless Dice is just a ridiculously mean wolfmate I'm going to lock him in completely. He tunneled the crap out of Laine and never let go until she died - if they're wolves together I'm betting Laine was fuming lol. I would be.

 

Verb still a wolf and getting lynched next.

 

Goodnight :)

 

 

Ok, my thoughts

 

AJ - I think he has had a pretty solid town game so far

 

Dice - liked his tunnelling of Alanna, don't think he would do this as wolf, thought going for Verb bit was wrong, seems he was right.

 

Thane - has towny feel, need to go over his stuff again, because not that strong a feeling

 

Zander - haven't liked his tunnelling and lack of decent backup behind his reasoning. Alanna treating so towny makes doubt he can be wolf

 

Verb, he did feel more towny when he first came in, but since then seems to be arguing, how can he be wolf, he is so on his town game. No oroper reads on people. He is my lowest read still.

 

If I had to choose between Zander and a Thane after that, not sure. Need to review both.

 

I haven't forgotten BFG ...top of the pile no doubt there whatsoever <3

 

 

hmm.... ok... first things first: i'm really waiting for this night phase to be over.

 

It's very unfortunate that Rand flipped town. And a vig, with an unused shot. Could have used that later on in the game.

 

Dice/laine interaction could have been effective distancing early game. But; i'll let it slide, seeing i'm the only one thinking that for the moment.

 

Suspicions are rising.... i think i've played the most townie game in ages, and still people think i might be a wolf. I strongly doubt that i'll be NK'd, just for the sake of being mislynched one of the coming days ( a scenario which i feel is already slowly being set in motion).

 

we know this:

 

Yates - Deion Sanders, Town 1x vig killed Night 1

Laya - Eli Manning, Town 1x vig killed Night 1

Hallia - Tony Romo, Town vanilla killed Night 1

Rand - Tom Brady, Town 1x vig lynched Day 3

Shad - Russell Wilson, Town vanilla killed Night 2

 

Alannalynn - Roger Goodell, Wolf 1x vig lynched Day 2

 

Leaves this:

 

Thane

BFG

Andrej

Verbal

Talya

Dice

Zander

 

Two wolves, among these players, is basically a nightmare for me. I have no strong wolf read on anybody at the moment, perhaps the nightphase will shed some light here. I'm looking forward to when it ends. 

 

Doc should always self protect in this scenario, can't afford to lose him/her.

 

 

it would be nice if i knew who doc was, but it could be any of you. that's my problem for the moment

 

 

ah, appearantly i missed that.... i saw something like it but discarded it somehow

 

#sundaymorningreadingissues

 

honestly, if a wolf would claim doc right now, and i'd be doc, i wouldn't cc so i wouldn't be targeted.

 

but i have a list of suspects too big and don't trust anybody

[BFG]

Kind of trust AJs analysis here

[BFG]

But does mafia! Thane (with a QT) 'miss' my claim?

[BFG]

 

 

Question:  do you guys think Rand would stoop to the level of blaming Cloudflare of some technical glitch on why he didn't submit a kill?

 

 

He's either a wolf that used up his shot, or he's a villager who's telling the truth.  But this explanation is pretty bad, which makes me think he might be a villager telling the truth.  I'm back on the fence with him.

 

Just to answer the bolded after reading back a bit: i'd try anything, even the most unlikely scenario, to not get lynched as wolf.

 

 

 

 

Common sense says i am town too.

 

I have played maybe 70 games. I have not once seen a wolf cfd away from town at mylo onto another wolf while planning a vacation.

Difficult to get away from this

 

 

 

That's sort of the problem I have :/ I think Thane, you and I all had Zander before Talya... I was lock clearing Thane (at that stage) so what does he gain by switching the lynch?

 

 

is it feasible that Thane did it to totally clear himself to endgame?

 

thought this was kinda interesting.

 

Interesting in what way?

[Zander?]

 

 

It was you or talya. Thane lynched talya over you.

 

If you had given up thane would have lynched you instead.

 

Thane has tje momentum swinging vote on talya.

 

yeah ok it had nothing to do with me being after her...lololololol

 

Why didn't you vote Talia Day 3, you were very fast onto Rand Day 3 and seemed to be after a fast day.

 

Quotes above show you can build cases, or at the least pull quotes you don't like... why are you hiding in can't build cases?

 

 

Cause everyone was all over Rand atp and hardly no one if any were with me on Talya atp. 

 

i said im not the best at building cases.  i can and do pull up posts.  im just not as in depth and stuff at like you when with your monster analysis....lololololol.