[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Zander?]

 

Sooh ISO:

 

Okay... This was not an easy ISO because it required pulling up other people's quotes in ISO to get context.

 

The Sooh ISO really begins with Leelou's first post where she called Sooh out on "pulling a Heart."

 

That was a bad push at the time and in retrospect was either way fake or a terrible distancing move.

 

Worth noting that Eldrick accused Sooh of buddying Heart with that opening. So if Sooh is Town that would look bad for Eldrick.

 

Sooh mentions she won't be around for EOD since that's 4AM her time here.

 

I'm okay with her Zander meta stuff and her early evolution on her Heart read. I also chuckled at how she handled NB's "this dog don't hunt" thing.

 

Even if I disagreed with half the list, her first real reads list in response to my line of questioning didn't sound terrible from her perspective. Nothing forced and no obvious agenda.

 

I hadn't noticed this before but this Sili post was a pretty good observation on something I missed. Sooh is a straight shooter.

 

Actually, this is a better post to read:

#SOOH

 

 

Leelou might be bussing sooh for cred early on. I cant tell but her logic is kind of fuzzy and might indicate the use of inside knowledge. One of sooh or ah has a good chance. I will try to look harder at them.

 

 

I'm still thinking Sooh. I had a thought about it in my shower just now. I would so go for someone on my team day one. If you look back at how Leelou went for her, it was rubbish, and I dodn't think it was for the purpose of getting her lynched, but to pull the seer to look at her. It wasn't a good argument. Why not do that on one of your team, Sooh just brushed it off.

You know this is exactly what I said a couple pages ago.

 

 

snip

 

 

 

@Sooh: why did you feel the need to pop in when u couldn't add anything constructive?

You mean this morning? 

 

I was excited about the game starting. Just wanted to pop in and say hi.

 

Did you expect to get pressured over that?

 

Heh no. Interesting the words that are used to describe it too. I think Eldrick described it as "pocketing Heart", when I was worried I'd offend her. I understand more Leelou's stance, but she couldn't possibly know that I was already late for work. Seems a bit aggressive for a first push though. I don't know.

 

 

Sooh when u are caught up tell me what you think of Zander so far

Will do. I'll try to get a grasp of most who have posted.

 

now that it's mentioned here, i notice you treated heart's op a lot less seriously than the rest of us did, to the point you were worried it would offend her if you joked about it.

 

seems like a queer perspective for hunting. u know?

 

 

sooh, if you thought heart's post was normal, and yet knew she was receiving negative attention for it, y didn't u say anything?

 

DM being slow.

 

Seph, what do u mean i voted sooh in regards to your post? I voted sooh because i spotted an inconsistency, and i don't understand how villa sooh would know heart was being normal, or didn't mention heart was receiving unwarranted criticism. it feels like she could have made a casual statement at the time real easy to the effect she didn't think anything of heart's first post. that she didn't and instead worried about whether heart would take the joke as an insult probably means she's not a good guy.

 

Sili/Sooh is not w/w, at least.

 

Given recent events [ZANDER] I think this post reads as a fair-nuff reason not to vote Thaneballs at that point.

 

This is her reads list after the Thaneballs flip. Sort of consensus.

 

And then today's stuff...

 

Meh. Not a great read. I can see why she's in the POE.

 

 

Thinks that sili and sooh are likely to be w/w

 

 

You are right...ebwop...Not likely to be w/w

 

 

ok so Yates declares HIS 2 teammates aren't wolf vs wolf and says there both town. so what?

[WWWwombat]

 

Yates not sure what you can do here. I don't see you making this play as mafia.

Because I don't. If there's one thing that I think EVERYONE who has ever played with me can agree to it's this: I ALWAYS play to my win condition. There's no win for me in claiming masons with a scum buddy.

 

I really don't think there's anything else I *CAN* do besides wait for one of us to be killed to mod confirm the other. Obviously, I'd rather force scum to do it but at some point in this game it likely makes sense to just let the mislynch go through. That's why I'm trying to figure out how many confirmed Town we need to outright win. Figuring out the SK situation might help with the math because 1 NK vs 2 is significant. Even with a big lead.

 

 

I could see you claiming masons with a mafia bro, but probably not in this scenario.

[WWWwombat]

Doc is the only thing she can claim to be believable there imo.

Same way as leelou was a vt. I don't think you can look into that too much here.

 

The way she was talking sounded like she ment it. There are a few things that make me believe her. Like asking how many times my pheonix ability works.

 

Yeah because mafia have no reason to want to know that kind of thing amirite?

[WWWwombat]

vote no lynch

 

No.

[WWWwombat]

 

This is relevant:

 

 

Im reading this as before. I right?

 

 

Naww, I was just tickled when I realized Chris Pratt was in Moneyball.

[Zander?]

Wombo-  With the claim Heart gets resolved at night no matter what,

 

Sili lynch give us either GG and a Yates read,

 

much better bet imo.

[WWWwombat]

Yates is a mason? We should lynch him and confirm it! :D

 

Disclaimer: This post was made for comedic purposes only. The suggestion in this post does not reflect the views of Eldrick.

 

lol <3

[WWWwombat]

Zander claims backup cop.  That makes doc much less likely imo.

[Zander?]

Zander claims backup cop.  That makes doc much less likely imo.

 

pretty likely imo someone protected Alanna night 2.

[WWWwombat]

 

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

 

 

Heart is never taken care of at night here.

[WWWwombat]

 

Zander claims backup cop.  That makes doc much less likely imo.

 

pretty likely imo someone protected Alanna night 2.

 

 

With 2 kills elsewhere?  I think you need a break.

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

 

 

Heart is never taken care of at night here.

 

 

explain how not please.

[WWWwombat]

[uNVOTE]

 

 

*Sigh*

 

You know what? There's only one mafia left anyway. I probably wouldn't be able to last longer anyway, and you guys would hold that against me. May as well die putting all my cards on the table. 

 

I can't target the same person two nights in a row. I should have not jumped to save her right away, should have known that that'd be the obvious choice. Wasn't thinking straight I guess. I saved her night 2, and then I couldn't save her night 3.

 

Now, I'm going to die in the next two phases no matter what. It's just whether you kill me or if they kill me tonight, because I won't be able to protect myself. 

 

I'd rather we catch the last mafia today if it's all the same to you guys. And if we're wrong... at least I get killed by scum and not my own team. Btw about 5 posts came in while I was making that decision. 

 

You've said it twice now...how do you know there is only 1 left?

 

Does a mass claim make sense at this point?  How many conf Town do we need to just outright win?

 

I'm more than happy to do this

 

And how are we supposed to confirm Heart? Like - does Qui Gon Jin even make sense as a Doc? Yoda I could buy...

 

No Yoda isn't Doc

 

 

AJ - check my math.... I should have been asleep 3 hours ago.

 

 

11 alive.

9 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

So let's say we lynch one of me or Sili.

8 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

Conf Town now would be the living mason, Seph, Dice

NK's are always Seph and Dice/Living mason

 

Day 5 looks like this:

6 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

With 5 needed for lynch - Doc claim is still open question. Lynch pool is in Zander/Talya/Eldrick/Wombo...NB?

 

If you don't hit scum or SK - the other mason is killed and whomever looks Towniest not named Csarmi.

 

Day 6 looks like this:

3 Town

1 Scum

1 SK

 

This is ugly. And this is assuming only 1 scum and an SK. If there are two scum I think scum still pull off this win with only two mislynches unless they cross fire with the SK.

 

I really doubt there are more than 4 wolves with the types of PRs they have been flipping.

 

This is sort of doom-and-gloom ftr because if Heart is legit she could potentially stuff a kill, but that's still 1/3 odds if the beginning of your scenario happens today. There was also only one death N3 so unless NB is lying - scum and SK both shot Laine, or wolves/SK shot Heart and got blocked (though I don't see why this would be the case in any situation) and the other killed Laine.

 

Frankly - I think we should just take the risk and lynch Heart. Wombat's post is pretty sound regarding the N1 self protect when she wasn't in any real danger and like I mentioned earlier she essentially HAS to provide some sort of explanation for not covering Laine after she was outed as the cop. It's all a little too neat imo.

 

 

someone (the SK/Vig) could have tried to kill Heart N3, would explain why only 1 kill

 

 

 

 

that narrows it to eldrick talya NB and you for me

 

 

tinfoil hat says wombocombo  but thats pure tinfoil

 

 

So you dont believe my breadcrumb trail then?

 

?

 

 

May as well-  The Doc is either outed or Dead and I know Mafia didnt miss my breadcrumbs.

 

HARD CLAIM: LANDO CALRISSIAN- WAS VT BECAME BACKUP COP

 

 

Seriously! You have a Jedi as Cop and a Jedi as Doc, and they give the back up to a nobody...So did you know you were backup cop? Usually it's a role at the beginning?

 

Oh and I'm Yoda - Town Stump, you can kill me but you will never get rid of me, even though I won't be able to vote

 

Heart knows there's one mafia left because it's her.

 

And oh look, another role that makes doc less likely.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

 

 

Heart is never taken care of at night here.

 

 

explain how not please.

 

 

Mafia don't kill themselves.  Mafia also don't kill lynchbait.

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander claims backup cop.  That makes doc much less likely imo.

 

pretty likely imo someone protected Alanna night 2.

 

 

With 2 kills elsewhere?  I think you need a break.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zander.

 

If you're right, and Sili/Yates are scum, you can check them tonight, and we will win in 2-3 days. (If there's an SK, and they live that long)

 

If they are telling the truth, you check one and get a town view, which clears the other one and they both still live.

 

If it's neither of the above, then we have to figure out where to go from there.

 

 

AGAIN

 

would rather be wrong and lynch 1 Mason and then clear another towny then the poss Town Doc

 

Heart is TAKEN CARE OF during Night no matter what.

 

I may not be around to view anyone else!!!

 

And if i am alive 3 players have been solved then we SK hunt if there is even one.

 

 

Heart is never taken care of at night here.

 

 

explain how not please.

 

 

Mafia don't kill themselves.  Mafia also don't kill lynchbait.

 

 

dude if shes town she protects me.  maf cant let both if us live. and i get a peek to confirm whoever we think is best,  if i die then shes confirmed maf.  sili is the way.  if we lynch and are wrong we lose both doc and cop.  think on this man.

[WWWwombat]

 

In case you haven't noticed, i'm not buying the mason claim. I just don't see them as scum either. I actually do believe they are lovers.

 

then one might be town and one might wolf...

 

 

In what world do a townie and a wolf claim mason together?  This is bad Talya.

[Andrej]

Why is no one considering that Heart (as a wolf) shoots someone other than Zander (like the confirmed townies for instance!)

 

Her not dying doesn't clear her by any means. Even if she is legit wolves would want to leave her alive because the claim is doubted.

 

Come on people...

[Andrej]

And this whole lynching the Masons spiel... might as well lynch Talya to confirm her now - huh?

 

Smh.

[Zander?]

Everyone has claimed why dont you guys?

[WWWwombat]

Either Wombo shot N2, notbob is lying about not shooting N2, mafia had an extra shot, or someone is lying about their role.

 

[unvote]

[v]Wombo[/v]

 

What?

[Zander?]

Why is no one considering that Heart (as a wolf) shoots someone other than Zander (like the confirmed townies for instance!)

 

Her not dying doesn't clear her by any means. Even if she is legit wolves would want to leave her alive because the claim is doubted.

 

Come on people...

 

after silis flip i can peek her homie if need be...lol

[WWWwombat]

dude if shes town she protects me.  maf cant let both if us live. and i get a peek to confirm whoever we think is best,  if i die then shes confirmed maf.  sili is the way.  if we lynch and are wrong we lose both doc and cop.  think on this man.

 

 

The only way I don't want to lynch Heart here is if I were sure you'd view her.

[WWWwombat]

Han Solo, Town Commuter

[Zander?]

 

dude if shes town she protects me.  maf cant let both if us live. and i get a peek to confirm whoever we think is best,  if i die then shes confirmed maf.  sili is the way.  if we lynch and are wrong we lose both doc and cop.  think on this man.

 

 

The only way I don't want to lynch Heart here is if I were sure you'd view her.

 

i will after we lynch sili if its not gg

[WWWwombat]

There are so many claims here that mitigate nightkills.  Heart is not a doc.  She is mafia.