[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[dicetosser1]

NB  if your the vig you need to aim elsewhere. 

 

 

Out of curiosity do you actually vig people for reasons?  Or do you Random Org it?  if the latter   then for Gods sake hang up your gun!

[seph]

Tbh I will fight for tayla. She is my town buddy, and I don't want her lynched

[Andrej]

I think it's more likely she's a villager honestly but if Sooh flips town that won't look good for her.

 

Forgot to mention but if Yates flips wolf that probably clears Talya too. His D1 comment about something "TOWN Tayla should be doing" smacks of TMI unless he really wants to debate that he was town reading her already up to that point.

 

Vig/peek/lynch out of Sooh, Yates and Heart and I think town wins this game every time.

[seph]

I agree

[Andrej]

So yeah - this game should pretty much be on auto pilot imo. It's nice to see the DM villages steam rolling recently after a long streak of scum victories

[seph]

Not ganna lie I want a 4/4 lynch

[seph]

Sili

—was ok with Sooh behavior as it happened; liked Sooh’s initial post better than mine because she knew it would probably look bad and did it anyway.

—Didn’t like Aj’s attention on Seph

—Gave a few thoughts here and there, more on the defensive in the early 90s pages

—#1975 says he doesn’t care about Leelou but Verb says she’s probably town voted Laine—later beat himself up for it

—gives reads in #2135 but says ten posts later that they aren’t worth much

—Looks at me Sooh based off of Leelou’s interactions with us, increasingly looking at Sooh

I feel like Sili hasn’t been fully present this game (as compared to my limited past experience), which isn’t alignment indicative necessarily, but doesn’t make me feel as confident in him as I would like to. Leaning town

Alannalynn

—defended those with busy lives early on, which I admit may be making me a bit biased about her

—has been giving a decent amount of thoughts and has been pretty wide spread about them

—the whole “taking out the hydras” thing was supposed to be a joke but is still rubbing me wrong

—Was the opposite train to Leelou on D1

She’s acting like a cleared town leader at this point, and she is one of my stronger town reads right now, and seems pretty invested in hunting at this point. Will allow to be a strong town read

Thaneballs32 (Thane and Verbal)

—beating a dead horse here, but I will note that there was very little noted.

—Verbal said multiple times dice and Leelou were town, but didn’t really substantiate any of reads that I noted, he was however very confident in his reads.

—I had absolutely nothing by Thane in my notes

—ISOing, he didn’t like Csarmi’s claim, various things that he doesn’t like or is wary of but nothing very substantial

Nothing of note, and both of them are capable of playing a much better game. Verbal is allowed to be wrong about Leelou, but he never gave any reasons for any of his reads and his reads didn’t really progress

NotBob

—popping in like usual, asking a question here and there, commentating, gave real thoughts when asked

—#3019 before wasn’t willing to vote uneducated at EoD (and it was EoD so maybe that is the factor here) and now he pops in and votes Thane though he’s not caught up, which I find interesting

No strong reason to like or dislike him at this point, so leaning town.

Sooh

—I noted early that she had more of her own thoughts than she had last game, though that has severely dropped off and she seems to only pop in every now and then

—Most of her pop ins have been defending or explaining herself since, and I feel like she’s having decreased strength

—a few of her posts have pinged, a few of them I have liked

—Looks a little more scummy in light of Leelou; I can see Leelou doing distancing like that, and that situation felt strange to me.

Going to put leaning scum at this point. I’d like to hear more from her on her thoughts on everyone.

Zander

—There have been a few times when he’s popped in with something random

—were a few reads and such that I didn’t like at the beginning, but his reads have been somewhat organic.

—Has been doing a lot of casing and giving thoughts.

Town Lean

Eldrick

—Noted a lot of posts I like

—Is maintaining that I’m not clear when a lot of other people are considering me clear, which I don’t think a wolf would necessarily do right now (wouldn’t want to draw attention to themselves by stating an opinion that is contradictory and may draw attention to themselves)

—I appreciated the direction he was going with the VC + Leelou’s list. Looking for new ways to poke out scum is ok

Town Lean

Talya

—I feel like I have a very little amount of feel or memory for someone I have so many notes on

—I had a town lean on her early in the game

—Her thoughts and reads have been very different from others’ in this game, which could mean many things. It is good that she isn’t just going with the crowed, and isn’t afraid to be unpopular with others (which she has been)

—2347 Yates quote pointing out how little wolf hunting he has done which others really like

I’m not seeing strong reasons to like or dislike her either, so another slight town lean

Yates

—Once again, a dead horse.

—Didn’t like some seph things, didn’t like some of the early votes

—Gave a few reads, made a case on Durin, defended seph against Zander at one point, didn’t like Sooh’s post.

—a lot of stuff is either jokey or math talk in his ISO

—I have liked quite a few of his posts, and I also know that life has been busy for him which I can empathize with, but there has also been a lot more talking without actually saying anything than usual, and that feels a bit off to me.

I can agree with the scum read, though the Therbal one is stronger for me. I feel much more conflicted about labeling him scummy for whatever reason (it may just be because he’s one of the people that I’m always inclined to feel more nebulous about), however at this point we could also get a good deal of information from his lynch. Would like to hear more from him before death though.

He’s sort of like a high strong scum…? Idk, something here is off for me and I don’t like it

Dice

—Tunnelled on the Wolf read day one

—Was defended by leelou and Verbal with no explanation

—note that he saw verbal as townie (was past tense in the post) and Yates

+As an added bonus, is pushing me now, and I’m not all that fond of the case. Others feeling I’m not cleared is more understandable, but I feel like he’s kind of reaching with his casing (re #2706, I had said 3rd party NK in response to whatever Shad’s theory was about a doc protect or what not, the post about the Janitor possibility had ninja’d. Was half asleep and knew there was a role that stripped all info away, but couldn’t remember the specifics of it. I think I only ever played one game with a janitor, and if I did it was a long time ago and in that game it was weird, so the impression wasn’t that strong.) (Then #2963—I had joke-voted Leelou. Later on when I attempted to vote you but forgot to unvote her, she was still very scummy in my opinion, but I figured your lynch would give me info on her. Then I found out that I had forgot to unvote, but my vote was on someone who I still believed to be scummy, and someone who was far more likely to actually get lynched at that point, and the other train was partially built on something that was a false impression. Why would I change my vote?) (Next?)

I have not liked Dice’s game, and I continue to not. A lot of other people have been fine with it, though I need to go back through and see exactly who at this point.

Now, what would that mean? Leelou, dice and Verbal were all mafia, and they all defended each other with the exception of dice defending Leelou (noted that he saw her as somewhat scummy)? That doesn’t seem likely. I’m not certain of the implications/thoughts here, but I feel like lynching Therbal could give a bit more info here too.

Shad

—A lot of analyzing lists, making cases, giving thoughts, and going for things that he sees as scummy

—A lot of giving thoughts and a lot of thoughts I have liked

—I feel like his activity has dropped somewhat, but I think the volume of this game is also creating a bigger learning curve for him

I’m feeling pretty town about him and have for most of the game. If he ends up being scum it is going to break my heart.

Random side thing—Shad, you said that you had joined this site and then discovered mafia, so I can assume that WoT brought you to the site, is that correct? (There will be a followup question)

Seph

—Got a lot of pings and attention early on.

—Note that Yates defended him #1422, however that felt genuine regardless of what Yates ends up flipping

—Been doing a lot of casing and giving his own thoughts, and I’ve liked some of that.

Town lean

WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)—

—A lot of casing and thoughts and analysis I’ve liked and has seemed very straightforward

—Randomly noting that Wombat is posting a lot more than I remember him posting before, but that’s probably not indicative of anything, and it made me smile actually

—the amount of townie I’m feeling about them is making me cautious, because both of them can trick me.

Strong town lean

Csarmi

—Claimed: Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks

—Claimed early, which is normal for him but just because he has a claim doesn’t mean we can trust that claim

—Pressured Sooh for coming in an posting when she wasn’t being constructive, and then later had her fairly high on his reads list without any explanation

—Stuff with Darthe begins, but gives a few other posts for other people, sees Sooh as a solid villager in late D1

—Catfight with Darthe, then had the temporary emoquit

—Came in today acting silly (I just typed that as “sili” again >.> )which is allowed, but I got the feeling that he came in simply to gloat and was being the opposite of helpful on purpose, which is part of what goaded him about Darthe if memory serves…

Kind of leaning scum with him at this point. Has had some good posts, but they are kind of dwarfed by the not so good vibes I’m getting at this point

Have no meta with him though, so my reading of his vibes could be totally off.

Leaning Scum

 

 

TL;DR

Strong Town

Shad

Alanna

Town Lean

Wombocombo (could maybe move up)

Sili

NotBob

Zander

Seph

Eldrick

Talya

Scum Lean

Sooh

Csarmi

Strong Scum

Yates (something off here)

Dice (implications still need to be figured out--see above)

Thaneballs

 

 

 

So for now we shall [v]Therbal[/v]

Would like to hear from one/both of them before the lynch goes through though. 

 

Going to go watch a hallmark movie with my grandma now, but will probably pop in from time to time

Tbh I donno ah is slacking but is the third? On Verb here.... first on leelou....

May put in csarmi in front oh ah

[seph]

Seph, some of the things you've said are why I'm really lost on the Yates scum train tbh.

This post still really really confuses me

[seph]

Seph, o_O.  Some of your observations on Yates made me second guess his "obvious" scumminess.  None of it incriminates you.

 

But if I read something that makes me think "hmm, maybe Yates isn't so bad", it would be very counterproductive imo to tell Yates what those things are before he defends himself.

Dice would like your opinion on this situation that transpired between aj and yates

[seph]

Seph, o_O.  Some of your observations on Yates made me second guess his "obvious" scumminess.  None of it incriminates you.

 

But if I read something that makes me think "hmm, maybe Yates isn't so bad", it would be very counterproductive imo to tell Yates what those things are before he defends himself.

Dice would like your opinion on this situation that transpired between aj and yates

First - I would like to point out that AJ and Dice are probably the two people that read me best.It's important that you understand the above so you can see why THIS is basically a scum claim:

Let me expound. Wolves sort of notoriously have to play less because they aren't able to fake the same consistency or genuineness as their villager sides. Yates and Verb are both very capable players but like most they suffer from wolf syndrome. They are capable of making villager-like posts/analysis in short bursts but the overall lack of presence is the key in finding them.

NOPE.I drive the bus as scum 9 times out of 10. He knows this.  The 10th time? It's because Cory is my scum bro and more prolific than me. Case in point; my last full scum game was 9-5 Mafia.

cory caboose 377Darthe 273manbat 201Yates 163seph 116Sooh 115Zander 113Clovdyx 108Turin Turambar 99dicetosser1 70Ithillian 58TinaHel 57ReleaseTheEvil 56BFG 33Leyrann 23Shadar Alantin 9Songstress 3Mrs. Cindy Gill 2Kaylee 1csarmi 1Andrej 1

Pretty much anyone else here who has ever seen me scum will back me up on this.[v]AJ[/v]Without even reading the thread I can tell you my vote is unlikely to move unless Leelou somehow spewed this slot Town.

Ok sorry this is the right quote dice

[seph]

 

 

I'm looking for the AJ post on Leelou and came across this:

Clov is a weird mafia kill imo - if I had to guess I may lean towards him being a vig kill for how he ran interference to Leelou's wagon yesterday and someone was feeling ballsy with their hero shot.

 

Darthe looks to be jan'd, so [v]I'd assume mafia thought he was a PR that they now have info on that won't be CC'd later on.[/b]

What makes you think the scum would know Darthe's role if he was janitored? I've only been on a team with a janitor once [i think on MS] and we weren't given info.

 lol

 That was hasty of me.  You have no idea what I found funny and it's not really relevant.

I'm going to just mark you as a deep wolf. Game can't be this easy

[csarmi]

Gonna start on a reread from phone. Will be quoting stuff that catches my eye. Might be disjointed but u are used to it already.

[seph]

my mentality would be for him to lynch a wolf, Sili. Care to share who your suspects are at the moment, while you're here? i would appreciate some input here.

I feel like thane kinda clears sili and shad....

Shad I need to stop tinfoiling on you until I need to tinfoil....

[seph]

 

 

zander  i wanna see thane. I thought Verb was decently townie  tho there was the lack of interaction between him and leelou. yates im leaning town on

Nope. And why? Defend your read

 I liked his tone when he was here. He was doing Yates things. 

I would go for csarmi once we're done with verbane and Yates.. Again, it's not setting up lynches if they're obv scum lol

 Actually it is. and this is the second time you've said this. 

 

 

prob it sili

 

Dice u so salty 

 

Relax man..  Not only are you getting worked up over this but you didn't even have a good argument to work off of in the first place, you've just kind of spiraled out of reason because your argument got treated as stupid as it frankly was.

 

Go tell Tommy how stupid it is.

feels genuine. Town or indy i guess.

 Town not indy 

I'm looking for the AJ post on Leelou and came across this:

 

Clov is a weird mafia kill imo - if I had to guess I may lean towards him being a vig kill for how he ran interference to Leelou's wagon yesterday and someone was feeling ballsy with their hero shot.

 

Darthe looks to be jan'd, so [v]I'd assume mafia thought he was a PR that they now have info on that won't be CC'd later on.[/b]

What makes you think the scum would know Darthe's role if he was janitored? I've only been on a team with a janitor once [i think on MS] and we weren't given info.

 this is a point. I also saw Verbals comment regarding this. I have seen both. Basically I think we should simply assume they janitored the role and that they have all the info on Darthe. Conjecture of which info or any they have is useless really. 

And?

 

I'm calling you out on your moves as make them.

 How about you dont. Let him make his points and then pull it apart. Otherwise he will never get done and we will get bogged down   Also a point AJ  you know how you said he'd read you in depth because he is a good reader of you? (im paraphrasing)  i actually think the opposite. Hed kinda skim you if town because he picks you up easy. If you were weird or something not adding up THEN he'd read you in depth.

A haha found it dice....

Sorry for noggin down the thread with my quotes guys....

[csarmi]

 

I don't think dice vote was a joke. Can you explain you you do?

Shad I am voting dice because I know Durin is town, and I didn't like his vote. usually don't see dice just drop a vote.

The other part was me explaining why I was doing a seer cover.

 

 

Funny thing, I hopped over to American Gods to see if this was normal for you.  Looks like you did kick that game off in serious mode, but one of your very first comments was to downplay the significance of getting reads out of opening posts.  You were v in that game.

 

/shrug [v]Seph[/v]

  

So let me get this straight. You are meta voting me having no prior experience with me, and going to read the other game for 15 minutes?

LOL pretty sure shad is a wolf.

The /shrug looks like you don't care or are unsure about your vote... seems very opportunistic.

Can follow both of them here.

[csarmi]

Shad just rekt Seph imo

 

[v]Seph[/v]

  

Wait, AJ did you vote?

  

Gotchu bro.

I am pretty sure Wombat/ AJ have what it takes to fake this but it does sound very natural.

[csarmi]

Good morning everyone. 

 

You were busy last night!

 

Going to pull a Heart and tell you I'll catch up after work. See you then!

villagery mindset

[csarmi]

And now for a break.

[csarmi]

Cette conversation a l'air de loup n'est-ce pas?

Wombat, do you remember why you switched to francais here?

[seph]

Csarmi care to talk irt I am bored of reading... been through like 40 pages tonight

[seph]

 

I want verbal to respond but looks like it. Thane isnt doing the best of jobs fighting.

He never does. That doesn't make him mafia. Unfortunately there's not much to go on with him... this weekend absence doesn't help.I don't have a scum read on Verbal and I tend to catch him. I don't have a town read either though.

Salami this looks like some fence sitting here.

[seph]

 

I want verbal to respond but looks like it. Thane isnt doing the best of jobs fighting.

He never does. That doesn't make him mafia. Unfortunately there's not much to go on with him... this weekend absence doesn't help.I don't have a scum read on Verbal and I tend to catch him. I don't have a town read either though.

Salami this looks like some fence sitting here.

 

 

 

I want verbal to respond but looks like it. Thane isnt doing the best of jobs fighting.

He never does. That doesn't make him mafia. Unfortunately there's not much to go on with him... this weekend absence doesn't help.I don't have a scum read on Verbal and I tend to catch him. I don't have a town read either though.

I had a clear Town read on Verbal in your game. I don't this game. That combined with everything else is suspicious.

Yup, I don't see that town!Verbal here either. I usually catch scum!Verbal D1 though. I'll focus on him in my reread. In the meantime, we should try and engage Thane. Please note that to be able to read him, you need to make him feel comfortable and relaxed and chat with him.

 

 

Yup, I don't see that town!Verbal here either. I usually catch scum!Verbal D1 though. I'll focus on him in my reread. In the meantime, we should try and engage Thane. Please note that to be able to read him, you need to make him feel comfortable and relaxed and chat with him.

You mean I have to be nice?

Possibly. Engaging him real time usually helps finding a town!Thane. If he can't really get back into the game (caught up, get in, make himself comfortable, etc), he is very hard to read. I tried to find the example game for you where I had to keep defending him and still he was lynched (with very similar conditions as this one).

I read this as you were trying to clear thane. Not Ganna lie, I may be pushing you come tomorrow

[seph]

my shift at work is nearly done, and i have things to do this afternoon. But, i will be back ITT. 

 

Some people that stood out to me during the re-read were Notbob, Shad, Yates and Sili. 

 

i'm not really going to quote back 60+pages... it's a general impression i got. 

 

@alannalynn: i wouldn't have dirt to throw on a deep wolf, seeing that i simply al not sure who it could be. I'll try to pay more attention now as how people interact. I find it easier to find odd things real time rather than catching up.

Yates sounded really agressive in his posts... he probably does it in both allignments (played a few games with him before), but him voting AJ (i think it was AJ) seemed a bit out of place. I also understood that he has a lot to catch up to, and being in catch-up mode can be annoying. For the moment, he's in the mixed pile, not really cleared.

Ok so thane talks irt here with alanna, the only time he really does so within the span of a couple minutes.

 

 

His list is sili shad notbob and yates. Upon re read I though 1 wolf here. Then alanna asks him for reasons.

He responds with calling yates mixed.

 

I feel like notbob is town. Thane spewed shad and sili villagers and outed yates. And csarmi outed himself with his defense of thane.

 

Next two lynched need to be yates and csarmi.

A vig would be nice on csarmi. If by a small chance he is hated, it doesn't hurt town as much.

 

Anyways this is my game solve

 

Yates, salami, (sooh/ah) (wombocombo/shad) I doubt the last two are needed. But yates town points to aj. I don't see them t/t

[seph]

Pretty much lock clear

Alanna

Zander

Sili

Eldrick

 

Strong town reads

Tayla

Wombocombo

Notbob

Ah- I'm done tinfoiling. She has been on both scum. If need be lynch her close to last

 

Slightly less town

Shad -could possibly move up.... gr to tinfoils

Dice

 

Going to bed, not sure if I will be around when I wake up, but I want to make sure certain people are

[csarmi]

 

 

I want verbal to respond but looks like it. Thane isnt doing the best of jobs fighting.

He never does. That doesn't make him mafia. Unfortunately there's not much to go on with him... this weekend absence doesn't help.I don't have a scum read on Verbal and I tend to catch him. I don't have a town read either though.

 

Salami this looks like some fence sitting here.

 

Cause it is. I wasn't sure of them either eay.