Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[Shad_]

Darthe, even when the wolf started the counterwagon as an immediate response to getting voted by Sili?

[Shad_]

I think we have to look at the most likely reasons why things happened, not just what happened.

[Darthe]

I've convinced myself that if it's not AH, NB, or Hallia, gg mafia, because the possibility of it being anyone else is way less likely.  I know I haven't played enough to see how creative a mafia trap can be, but Dae played very poorly and Sooh gave herself away in subtle ways.  The third person is clearly a bit more sneaky, but would they be more likely to get away with that while on board with Dae or Sooh or by acting totally independently from them?  Talya would have had to basically agree to be set up by Dae with the assumption that one of the two of them would be killed.  Sooh would have in the meantime gone off on her own against Darthe and then silent, not taking advantage of the scum kill at all.  It's a grand plot.  It's tinfoil.  Dae was bad scum and when he got caught he chose the easiest target, which was clearly Talya at the time.  Sooh stayed out of it because she didn't want to help lynch a team mate (especially if NotBob already was) and she didn't want embroiled in voting town Talya either.  The third scum was either smart and got off a sinking ship by voting his team mate or else tried to empower the Talya train.  Who does this scenario incriminate?  NotBob, AH, and Hallia.  Who was the first person to say Talya was not cleared by all this?  I think it was Hallia.

 

I vote the path of least resistance.  We have three lynches left and short of some really crazy plot crafted by Dae and co we have three options.

Townie post.

 

Also, no I never did a good job of reading back.  I skimmed it somewhat but relied on current interactions and my snap reads to clear me and then when we got a wolf flip I looked at the wolves and counted on peeks to do the rest.

[Darthe]

Darthe, even when the wolf started the counterwagon as an immediate response to getting voted by Sili?

I don't disagree.  You've probably got a better handle on it all than I do, you just have the misfortune of being outside the circle of trust.  Worse, I've actively (and fairly baselessly, it's all tone/structure) sussed you most of the game.

[Darthe]

I think in order I'd view Hally and then Shad.

 

I'd lynch Notbob tomorrow if I didn't get a - result on Hally.

 

I'd lynch Hally if I didn't get a - result on anyone.

 

I'd prob WIFOM between Talya/Shad/Sili but that never happens.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

[v] shad [/v]

 

Why?

 

I lynch wolves

 

 

Ok...vote Shad.

 

Does notbob ever play follow the cop if he knows the result is fake? 

 

Prob increases his chances of being town.  He is so low effort I think it'd make the game prettier if he died but meh, I don't want to waste the energy.

[Sili Quirrels]

no

 

 

 

 

 

[v] shad [/v]

 

Why?

 

I lynch wolves

 

 

Ok...vote Shad.

 

You should check the time stamps Darthe.

[Shad_]

I'm going to go ahead with this now...

 

[v]AH[/v]

[Leelou]

Vote Count

Heart (3) - Darthe, Laine, Shad

Notbob (1) - Hallia

Shad (1) - Notbob 

 
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. 
 
Deadline - Tuesday 10 am EDT

[Talya]

I'm happy with going with either Heart or Notbob.

 

We don't know if we have a Godfather or not, not sure how often they come up. At the moment we have Darthe and Laine cleared. There has been no counter claims. Which would be so stupid if the wolf did that.

 

take everything as is, because we can come up with theories until the cows come home, we need to start eliminating so Darthe can also do his job.

 

If doc does a good job we may get an extra day or two from our seer.

[Talya]

Talya, if town, has gotten by on the grace of being the counterwagon to a wolf D1 and being cop viewed.

 

Hally has done that much and yet was consistently read worse by the wolves.

 

Ya'll see the issue I run into on putting Hally lower than Talya when I only 80% trust cop views at this point?

[Talya]

ebwop - I also started the Sooh lynch

 

Somewhere my vote on Heart has disappeared it was between Laines and Shads???

 

[v]Heart[/v]

 

That puts her at L-1

[Leelou]

Vote Count

Heart (4) - Darthe, Laine, Shad, Talya
Notbob (1) - Hallia
Shad (1) - Notbob 
 
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. 
 
Deadline - Tuesday 10 am EDT

[Shad_]

ebwop - I also started the Sooh lynch

 

Somewhere my vote on Heart has disappeared it was between Laines and Shads???

 

[v]Heart[/v]

 

That puts her at L-1

 

That you did, and I followed it with a pretty thorough dissection of her posts that I like to think contributed significantly to her getting lynched over AH or Hallia.  It didn't help Sooh's case that she responded to me by trying to butter me up and tell me I was reading more town now.

[Sili Quirrels]

big wot inc.

 

prepare yourselves

[Sili Quirrels]

probably voting ah to be honest. a bunch of stuff spews nb town.

 

if there's a godfather i would reconsider on talya first. shad looks better on reread.

[Sili Quirrels]

Like I could see Talya being a last boss. she goes at sooh out of the gates day 3.

[Sili Quirrels]

i've noticed on reread heart is putting in a lot of concerted effort. i would like to applaud her if she's a wolf. :)

[Aiel Heart]

Well, if someone comes in and hammers me, then you guys be careful the rest of the game. I'd rather we lynch mafia today rather than me, but I'm not sure who that is. I'm still not entirely feeling NB (he's posted about as frequently as Darthe this game and look how Darthe ended up). I feel like it's someone we're considering clear, maybe or maybe not Hally. 

 

Save your applause, Sili :P this was a stepping stone to relearning the game

[Aiel Heart]

That being said, I'm headed to work soon and will be gone until this evening. I suppose I'll [v]Hally[/v] just because I feel like there's a decent chance we'd find scum in her today, should any of you believe me. 

 

See y'all on the other side

[Sili Quirrels]

So I started from scratch and noted everything.

 

 

 

Embraces joking meta.

 

Eldrick/AH wolves.

 

I'm at least half right here.  

heh.

 

Ok... Here are some of my thoughts so far. 

 

Dae seems towny to me for having some good observations on the gameplay. 

 

Alannalynn also seems towny to me for good town process and just pointing out things. 

 

 

I'm on the fence with Eldrick. I know he has rolled mafia like the majority of his games that I've played with him, but from his gameplay so far I don't know what to believe. It was a strange vote/reaction on Verb. Like you've all pointed out, it has more to do with his comments after than the actual vote during the catching up phase. 

 

Heart feels a bit like she did in Middle Earth when she was mafia. I can't really pinpoint why. It's more a feeling right now. 

 

I feel about Talya like I do with Heart, but I felt like Talya was mafia in Middle Earth and she wasn't.

Heart or Talya could be distancing. I can see it both ways.

 

Eldrick is kind of flipping all over the place now, and I can't say I like that. It's true that town can be inconsistent and feel uncomfortable under pressure, but this is seeming especially thin...

 

Eldrick, you do know it is a weekend and a lot of players are less active on weekends, right?

 

Alanna/AJ/Laine, I wonder if you are one of those people that will just always strike me as scummy, and would have to learn to read past it. I do think it is a gross overgeneralization to say that you shouldn't post as you are catching up otherwise you are mafia. 

 

Also, I have played one game in the last few years and in that one game I was mafia. Do not mark my play style as my mafia play style when you have no townie games to go on. 

Pushes the eldrick mislynch. Undlerined seems like classic hedging, similar to what Dae was doing. Doesn't feel natural.

 

 

Note: I am quote snipping to the pertinent bits:

 

Votes notwithstanding, Eldrick's accusers are Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia. Possibly NotBob as well. Five people gunning for one target on Day 1? I'd say you could guarantee one mafia in that list, if not two.

Hallia wasn't gunning for me. She had an issue with me bringing up N0 peeks. I agree with the rest of that list, and your observation that there is probably at least 1 wolf in it.

 

Daetirion - how confident are you in Eldrick being Town? Your observation quoted above only makes sense in a world where Eldrick is mod confirmed Town and I don't understand how that line of reasoning would occur to you/have any merit to make it post worthy in a world where that is not the case.

 

 

Dae would be more confident of Eld being town if he is wolf, he would know who was town and who wasn't. Would be a good way of pushing your mate/s out here for later if it was required.

 

 

Awkward wording. I think she's agreeing with yates, almost specifying for him. I feel like a wolf wouldn't emphasize by association the slip of their partner, but maybe that's just me.

 

 

 

 

I'm still not biting the Eldrick chain.  It might be useful information later, but I think the inconsistencies in his subsequent posts feel more like a natural reaction to getting tossed under the bus.  He did say something contradictory in his second post--"listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me"--and he's trying to justify both the "joke" side and the "serious" side but I really don't see a way to explain both.  If he really is wolf, shouldn't one of them stop him from digging this hole and redirect our attention on someone else?

 

 

Alanna/AJ/Laine, I wonder if you are one of those people that will just always strike me as scummy, and would have to learn to read past it. I do think it is a gross overgeneralization to say that you shouldn't post as you are catching up otherwise you are mafia. 

 

This is how I feel.  I didn't like how she's been approaching Eldrick at all. 

 

 

 Felt like day one crap votes. It was literally page two and most of what had been said so far was spam.

 

 

For instance this, justifying Yates and NotBob's "day one crap votes" while gunning down Eldrick for the same.

 

But does this approach make her wolfy, or a really aggressive town trying to light some fires and get this game rolling?  Her individual posts almost never sit well with me, but when I look at them as a collective I am totally comfortable with her.

 

I got good vibes from Daetirion and NotBob, but that doesn't mean much early on.

 

I went to bed last night with Darthe in my headlights, and I woke up to find Eldrick had voted him.  This is going to come back and haunt me if Eldrick does get lynched first and flips wolf (doubtful), but I really dislike Darthe's attitude so far.  Zero engagement, just pops in once in a while to remind us that good little townies will vote Eldrick.

Actually this whole Darthe going after one player in particular is what he did in House of Cards with me. He was town and wrong, but he did it almost exactly that way. 

 

 

I think I'm more confident in Darthe being town now.

 

 

 

I went to bed last night with Darthe in my headlights, and I woke up to find Eldrick had voted him.  This is going to come back and haunt me if Eldrick does get lynched first and flips wolf (doubtful), but I really dislike Darthe's attitude so far.  Zero engagement, just pops in once in a while to remind us that good little townies will vote Eldrick.

 

 

Lol Shad called me wolfy.

That's as lock clear as I can get guys. The dude that outted himself in his Or is trying to redirect.

 

I think you're trying to establish some sort of "cool guy" persona and sway votes without having to resort to analysis and reason.  You're acting as if the wolves are so obvious that anyone should have it figured out already, hoping people will follow your confident lead to avoid looking stupid for not being as on top of the game as you.  That will ensure one town lynch, and then you change your game, right?

 

I don't like it at all.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

I approve of this message...get him to L-1 and I'll hammer.

 

Probably a joke.

 

Interested to see where this goes...

 

Unvote, vote Eldrick

Votes eldrick like this, and later votes dae in almost the exact same.

 

Ignore the last bolded there Laine (Alanna - not sure which to call you) - you answered it later.

 

Ref Eld: - I didn't find it that wolfie with his vote on Verb. then there were these two posts

 

 

I think it's hilarious that my actions are getting pressure. My vote was not a serious one. When I continued reading, and found out others had voted him, I unvoted.

Laine voted me before I had even posted, and now she's just looking for a reason to keep it there.

Darthe says he N0 viewed me villager, and is now voting me. Nice consistency.

 

 

 

I think it's hilarious that my actions are getting pressure. My vote was not a serious one. When I continued reading, and found out others had voted him, I unvoted.

Laine voted me before I had even posted, and now she's just looking for a reason to keep it there.

Darthe says he N0 viewed me villager, and is now voting me. Nice consistency.

Blue: You seem uncomfortable here.

Purple: Then why did you have to backtrack and explain it after the fact?

Bold: Sure I did, I voted you in RVS. Then you did a weird thing and I happily left my vote there to see if you'd squirm a little. Eldrick, do you think you're gonna get lynched today?

 

 

I don't know where you're getting uncomfortable from. I was, and still am, amused that this is getting so much attention.

 

As for why I explained my unvote, something pinged me about his joke read list. I didn't want my vote on a train this early. There's not enough to warrant a lynch. It's still got my attention, though, and am waiting to see more from Verb to form a read on him.

 

Do I think I'm gonna get lynched today? I highly doubt it. Depends on how the wolves want to spin this interaction (unless they are already doing that). If I do get lynched, though, It will be useful to look at who pushed me. Mainly you, but also Darthe. Sili has a little bit, too.

 

I honestly don't care if I do or not. There are plenty more town left to solve this game, and I wasn't expecting to be playing a game anyway. I had completely forgotten I was on as backup. But, since I'm here, I will give it my all to find these wolves. Wheel of Time will just have to not get as much attention as I was going to give it :(

 

 

The green Bolded - This reads as two different explanations, first it was all a bit of a joke vote, then he says something pinged to him about the joke list, either it was a joke or it really did ping you. To me that comes across as you voted someone (on a bit of a joke) then saw he had two other votes on him so took it off and then tried to make a good reason for voting him in the first place. I'm trying to see what was pinging you about that list verb made, If it was day 2 on wards I would be concerned but on the opening posts, seems like you are trying to justify it a little too far.

 

i'm okay with this read i think. nothing really stands out.

 

although in the back of my brain i have it in my head this is the sort of post a tom would craft to mislynch a villager.

 

Post #21, Darthe said he had N0 viewed Eldrick as town. I’d taken that as a joke. Eldrick did done the vote on verbal because of the town list, then unvoted because he already had a train, Alanna pointed this out. Post #75 Eldrick points out the lack of consistency between Darthe’s “view” and his new action to vote Eldrick, which indicates that he took it to be an actual view, not a joke, and #80 seems to strengthen this (btw interested to see how Hallia reads him now). A few more posts of him responding to people, and then he says that HIS N0 peek was Sooh in #83. In that same post he says “thanks for the horrible Seer cover, Darthe."
Ok, so he’d been consistent in believing that seers were possible, presuming that he was a seer would he accept other seer claims? Also, why reveal that early? He had all of one vote on him.

He’s sticking by it too (reads in #193)

 

Eldrick, care to give any further insight to this?

just really weird.

 

Right, checking back in. Initial thoughts on read through as follows:

 

Talya and Alanna have got some good evidence (for Day 1) on Eldrick. My gut is still saying he just made a mistake, but my gut seems to be out of practice in other games and there is nothing to say it's improved here! I think i may just be rationalising his action based on my own mistake in American Gods, which would be logical but unhelpful. In which case I should really follow the evidence, which has certainly been convincing enough for me to lean towards Eldrick as Mafia. I'll hold off on my vote for a couple of hours to internalise what i've read, as i'm still not 100% behind it.

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

 

The other person I think deserves scrutiny is Shad. He's strongly pushing a defence for Eldrick, which if he flips Mafia would put him top of my list for lynching. He starts the Darthe lynch presumably to try and take some of the heat off Eldrick, who then jumps on the lynch with him. This could just be a desperate player looking for an out, or a genuine attempt to start a rival bandwagon. The way he is clashing, particularly with Darthe, doesn't seem right. Even if Eldrick doesn't flip Mafia, i don't think he's in the clear. A Mafia could offer a strong defence to a townie day 1, knowing his teammates would get the bandwagon over the line and then claim credit later to deflect suspicion. This may be a bit too advanced for a newer player, but we'll see i suppose.

 

Talya and Alanna were the biggest voices on eldrick's train. Nnothing weird there. Ties me to Darthe, which I don't get.

 

He seems to be setting up Shad for day 2's mislynch. That's wh at it looks like to me anyway.

Vote Count
 
Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb
Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad
Verbie (1) - Yates
 
Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya
 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
 
DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

 

vc atp.

 

 

Vote Count
 
Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb
Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad
Verbie (1) - Yates
 
Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya
 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch
 
DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

 

At least two scum within the bolded group.

 

 

I'm happy to be a villager with you this game.

 

Verbal says NB is a villager.

[Sili Quirrels]

Well, if someone comes in and hammers me, then you guys be careful the rest of the game. I'd rather we lynch mafia today rather than me, but I'm not sure who that is. I'm still not entirely feeling NB (he's posted about as frequently as Darthe this game and look how Darthe ended up). I feel like it's someone we're considering clear, maybe or maybe not Hally. 

 

Save your applause, Sili :P this was a stepping stone to relearning the game

u tried hard either way of course.

[Sili Quirrels]

what was ah's last game like?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

Shad - it's fairly common knowledge for the rest of us I think that Verb doesn't do mafia on the weekends. Say what you will of it, but I believe that's why he didn't respond to any comments to him until now.

 

Yes, I figured that out a long time ago.  Verbal dusted that old post off.

 

Ok, well... then I don't understand your push.

 

 

I'm not pushing anything in this instance.  :???:

 

You were asking him to put out more content, but I see now that you may have been made aware of the fact that he's barely here on the weekend after that question.

 

this is what i earlier said could be w/w. i'm not sure anymore.

 

 

Sorry Eldrick..

 

/snip/

But does this approach make her wolfy, or a really aggressive town trying to light some fires and get this game rolling?  Her [Alanna's] individual posts almost never sit well with me, but when I look at them as a collective I am totally comfortable with her.

/snip/

I was rereading this post, and wondering what this part meant? I feel like I've heard it before recently but I can't quite recall where.

 

Interested to see where this goes...

 

Unvote, vote Eldrick

Wondering what the turn-around was from this post? You seemed to be agreeing with Shad but then jump on the Eldrick train.

 

Well that makes sense.  Shad definitely isn't stacking cards here.

I LOL'd

 

More of the lesson from the rule of holes.  Eldrick didn't learn to stop digging.  With that said, at least we had a clean majority lynch where we can tie votes to players...mine included.

 

i like the tone for some reason. especially the last part.

 

Dae was playing a lot before I believe, and has had a hiatus from playing. As for Shad he did mention having read up on a couple of games. I remember being accused of something similar in my first game when I was trying to do what other people were doing and using their lingo, so I am not really suspicious of that on its own. I'll go ISO him though, just to see if anything sticks out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So was Eldrick.

If that's how town plays we will earn every bit of the loss.  Onus to look town is on players, not the ones who vote them.  Our only job is to clear ourselves and discern who warrants votes.

 

WOW, new concept.

 

Shad is probably scum though. Teammates Talya and Heart

 

 

I'm playing poorly in a way that I'm afraid isn't very obvious.  I'm a very passive liar.  I like to scheme in the background, but when it comes to directly engaging someone I feel really uncomfortable.  The only way to protect my wolf game in the long run will be to drastically tone down my village game, make the two less distinct.  But I figured, first game, I would just give it my all and, if I made bad reads, at least my blatant honesty about them would clear my own name.

 

It's not working out that way.  I guess I should ask: what do you think makes me woofy?  I don't think you'll find a shred of inconsistency in my approach so far, so if I'm lying I seem to have a very organized plan which is nevertheless ineffective.

 

Ok yeah... this part about analyzing his own never before tried out (?) wolf game is weird. I couldn't tell you my wolf game if I tried, even though I did do a turbo as a wolf.

 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

 

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

The above sequence reads like she's trying to get me to build a train on Darthe instead of Dae.

 

No I didn't keep a low profile I wasn't able to get on. Put it in the other game I'm in but not in this one unfortunately. I was writing the post as you voted. I thought he was going to flip wolf. I did actually think it would look bad whether he was wolf or town but made the decision to do it. I really didn't think about a reveal which was stupid on my part I know.

Liked this post at first. Less so now. Still like it.

 

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

Very wolfy/opportunistic.

 

[v] sooh [/v]

 

huh.

 

Who really says 'have read him correctly before' to reinforce that others should follow that person when that person is town?

yah.

 

Unvotes are dumb, not like Darthe

 

[unvote] [v] sooh [/v]

double yah.

 

 

Unvotes are dumb, not like Darthe

 

[unvote] [v] sooh [/v]

 

Wait you had nothing on Shad?  

 

Unvote

 

Darthe'd.

 

 

i think nb was probably not paying attention or something. popped in every now and again to comment on stuff possibly.

OK...I found the quote above...let's see where this goes...

 

Vote Dae

 

^this is where he votes dae, and i think he leaves it on dae for the rest of the day.

I'm adding Sili and NotBob to the mafia game of insane people. 

 

Read up and going to do a reread and try to piece things. 

note time stamp.

 

@ Sili--Your reasons being: 

*You didn't like my other posts (saying the one you quoted was my "best one")--care to explain why?

*I'm "basically alway catching up"--First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons. It's not hard to stay caught up in this game, thus my current reread (on page 8). I'm also not sure why you're indicating that you disbelieve my real life is hectic, but whatevs.

*You want to balance the wagons and see how things go there--fair enough

 

Sooo address the question at the end of star number 1?

Also (if the answer to that one doesn't do it), what makes me the best option of vote for you at this point?

 

Back to reread

reads defensive to me still.

 

Explanatory?

 

 

I like that she included the questions at the end, I would like to see what she thinks of your response.

 

i really didn't like this. even darthe agreed with me what AH was saying (that is her tone) was very defensive, and I said her questions were meaningless.

 

 

Heart's post doesn't read to me as defensive.

What's the word you would use for

 

First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons.

 

 

Stressed and defensive in nature not only as a wolf

 

Oh and WoT incoming shortly. 

 

 

 

@380--fair enough and... *

@381--chase a dozen kindergardeners in open spaces for nine hours straight and report back to me

@382--*roll eyes* yes dear

 

 

 

*INCOMING

 

 

Shad—(cutting snippets of my notes on him)—#29 was going to play up “I don’t get this game guys” (very first post). #122 explained his first post, said he wanted to seem unwolfy by saying what he would have done as wolf; personally I hate those posts and they jump out to me as wolfy. It bugs me in #148 that Shad doesn’t appear to see the difference between the Yates/NotBob votes on Verbal and the Eldrick one. The first two were jokes, the last was a “joke” that Eldrick himself took too seriously. And then he ends the post by riding on Eldrick’s shirt tails. Starts moving in on Darthe, #246 doesn’t like Darthe’s behavior and says Sili is “mimicking” it and is suspicious because of these. Posts since have been explanations of play. #291 questioning Yates’ night death “neutral kill keeps momentum rolling in same direction”

Legitimately trying, doesn’t seem to have firm hold of everything yet but is trying. I’m getting newbie trying to hit the ground running from him. Now, looking past the shaky ground that newness can cause, the places where he appears to have gaps in knowledge are interesting to me, and could be indicative of some sort of voting. I also really really do hate the “if I were scum, this is what I would be doing” posts. Leaning scum at the moment

 

Daet—first post #50 notes that there are two votes on Verbal already “any other options” —#97 he took it as a legitimate misplay on Eldrick’s part and also drew a little more attention to Verbal—#206 I like what it says. Seems very… Calculated.—#317 actually looks at the Talya drop which others hadn’t yet

Others are looking hard at post #97 and saying that he seemed too certain Eldrick was town. Once again, I can see where this lynch is coming from. I also like his posts in a way that makes me suspicious of them; they almost feel too carefully townie to me.

Throw in with that his swing vote in (more on that later, see the blue), and I think he goes from feeling very “mixed” to me to “leaning scummy”

Though, I think part of me also doesn’t want to lynch him so early in his first game back :P need to get past that.

 

Laine—I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t like a lot of her posts because she tends to make general assumptions; the first was that posting anything without being completely read up is scummy, which I didn’t think it was so early in the game. The next one that popped out to me was in post #255 when she scoffs at the gambit that Talya indicated was possible, which really wouldn’t have been much of a gambit and isn’t extremely ridiculous. I do follow the “more logical line of reasoning” but that then makes the generalization that “starting something” is indicative of scum, which it isn’t necessarily. She’s playing a lot like she did last game, which is digging in at certain people to the point that it almost seems to be tunneling, but also mentioning other people here and there as well. Will leave as leaning town for now to account for jumpiness.

 

Verbal—post #51 felt very out of character for me. Verbal isn’t normally a very defensive player, but he gave the early NotBob vote concerning “padding” a response which was… Really unwarranted that early in the game. #209 popped back in, semantics discussion with Shad followed—#320 saw Talya’s hammer as a genuine mistake and voted Daet because of his Eldrick knowledge

 

Hallia—really haven’t noticed a whole lot yet. I’ve noted two posts and can’t glean a great deal from them. Going to note here that she’s pushing Talya and Alanna and likes Sooh. Potential ISO

 

Darthe—I feel like his posts are a little more “popcorny” than they were in the last game I saw him play, but that could mean anything. I have an overall good feeling from him, but would like to see more of the thought that I know is going on.

 

Sili—had kind of focused in on Darthe for a bit, and then seems to have wandered away. Has since shifted gaze to Daet, and I get town feels from the post that was looking at him closely (#346), though the mislynches post (#303) struck me as odd. Still wondering the specifics of why the vote shifted to me. Still trying to figure out how Sili thinks; I didn’t interact with him a great deal in the Middle Earth game. Leaning town for him atm.

 

Sooh—doing a lot of explaining for other people, which is just kind of in her nature, but there were rarely thoughts of her own or her own behavior in the midst of those explanations for other people. Might be good to ISO that in particular. There was one post of substance that I noticed but forgot to make note of, then the next thing of substance is looking at Shad #312—then right after at #316 follows Sili with an ISO and then votes Darthe. Her play feels different this game and I don’t like it, and then that little switch tipped it into a scummy read for her.

 

Talya—she’d seemed rather townie to me at first, but during this reread something about #147 felt off to me… For some reason it felt more like laying implications rather than drawing connections. Did not like that hammer (more on that later, see the blue), though we do all make mistakes. In post #318 she posted to defend herself but didn’t say anything else, in post #343 she randomly took a closer look at Hallia and had a scum lean on her. Feels scummy to me at the moment.

 

NotBob—also still trying to figure out. I have very little basis to understand his play from, though I know from brief skims of other games popcorning in is normal for him. So far this game there’s been a combination of his own votes and then also “going along” with what select others are doing, and has given explanations every now and then. Leaning town for now, but really not basing that on much.

 

 

 

Another note

re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.

 

 

TL;DR

 

 

Shad—scummy

Daet—scummy

Laine—Town?

Verbal—Town?

Hallia—Null

Darthe—Town?

Sili—Town?

Sooh—scummy

Talya—scummy

NotBob—Null

 

Also, read the blue.

 

 

 

*Kisses for luck and releases to the tigers* 

 

^Took 2 hours 40 minutes. Notes on talya are a bit of a reach.

Two things occurred to me as I was brushing my teeth

 

1) Sili, a lot of the others here know that I just like to talk, and babble really easily, and I also do tend to over explain myself in any situation. I know you'll take that with a grain of salt this time, but just know that for future games. If people have meta on me, I want it to be accurate :P 

2) I never actually voted >.>

Vote count is

Dae (3) - Verbs, Notbob, Darthe, Sili

Darthe (1) - Sooh

Talya (1) - Dae 

6 to lynch

Dae needs a chance to response, and isn't my strongest scum anyway.

​Sooh I would like to hear more from. Sooh reads please?

Between Talya and Shad... I think at the moment it would be more informative to vote Talya

 

asks sooh for help to get the wagon on talya maybe. sooh later apologizes for not being here, but doesn't quote AH directly for whatever reason...

A few things that bug me about Dae after giving his (sorry for thinking you were female earlier) posts a thorough read:

 

Sili's conduct concerns me. The presumably jokey "i'm not lynching these guys" could be simply a joke, or it could be trying to bail out teammates - in this case Darthe who has come under suspicion. Darthe, i have little read on as there are minimal substantive posts, so I don't want to definitely put these pair together, but it just doesn't gel for me. The way he held off on the Eldrick train until later could be he was seeing which way the wind blew, picking his target and giving the bandwagon more steam as a Mafia ... or it could be he simply waited for the evidence. I'd say i'm leaning Mafia here but only slightly. Definitely keeping my eye on him though.

 

 

And re. Darthe, you have two votes on you, of course you are under suspicion. I can't get a read as you rarely post substantively and i haven't played with you before, but i'd lean town and if you bother to read my post you'll see I don't think those votes are motivated by any actual belief you are Mafia. . 

 

 

Red seems like garbage filler that could apply to most of the people who voted Eldrick, including Dae himself.

As for the rest of the argument against Sili, it's basically the same one I'd already used, except I only saw a connection because of my strong feelings about Darthe.  If I was going to "lean town" with Darthe, as Dae did, the argument doesn't hold much weight.  So why present it?

 

The other thing that bugs me is that Dae has pressed from the beginning that his gut feeling casts Eldrick as town.  He weighs this against unspecified "evidence" and eventually votes Eldrick, then comments that his gut feeling was right all along after Eldrick flips town.  Set-up for appearing innocent while getting the job done?  Dae cast the sixth vote (which Talya hammered almost immediately), but at the time four people hadn't voted at all yet and Yates' Verbal vote was hardly committal.  There was plenty of time left in Day 1.  Why go against your gut feeling and cast the penultimate vote?  I'd understand if it was down to the wire or everyone else had voted, but under the circumstances, wouldn't it have made more sense to express your thoughts but hold off on the vote a while longer?

re. bold. I doub tthis is bussing. Anyone else want to pitch in?