Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[alannalynn]

I'm middle of the road on Darthe at this point, after reading through his ISO. I would say I'm leaning town except for his behavior day 2, but this doesn't necessarily mean that he's scum. His reads are pretty aligned with what I'm thinking, except for AH at this point. I feel like she (Heart) has been pretty pro-town.

Darthe what are you seeing that I'm not? I'm pretty sure you still have your vote on her, so I'm curious.

I don't really like his behavior day 2 that much, he was jumping around a lot in votes without really unvoting which looks odd. You start off saying Shad is scum, omgus vote Sooh, throw suspicion on Talya for her hammer, then say it's dumb and not alignment indicative and that you think both Dae/Talya trains are dumb but not scummy. You then try to vote Sili and Shad, repeat that both trains are crap and still vote Talya, while saying that you think Talya and Sili are town and Verbal not.

I know you're just phoning it in this game, but I'd like to know your reads at this point, and the reason you believe that AH is scum.

 

Anyways, I'm not keen on lynching Darthe at this point, but I do like a Sooh lynch.

 

Relevant quotes below

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

[v]Darthe[/v]

Very wolfy/opportunistic.

[v] sooh [/v]

 

 

 

 

He's crazy.

But I think shad sounds too knowledgeable to be on game 1. Just look at his last few posts. He feels very confident and coached. I don't remember being like that in my first game. Have you ISOd shad?

i have an idea of what you're talking about, and i don't really mind it. we can lynch shad although I would prefer one of AH talya or dae.

it's just I think darthe needs to explain it in his own words before I follow him.

Odd post from you but I think you're town

 

 

BTW has talyas eod been ignored?

I didn't mind the blind hammer but if it has its a problem

 

BTW Hammer was prob just dumb, not alignment indicative.

 

Why do either of these people have trains?  They're bad, not scummy.

 

[v] Sili [/v] is scummy

 

Sooh prob wolf. Parked her vote and ditched.

I officially dislike both trains

 

I wouldn't know, I don't get dae in general

 

[v] talya [/v]

 

String me up, make me dance.

 

I love it all.

 

Also Talya villa, sili villa, verb maybe not, why am I voting in this group?

 

Something odd here.

 

Let's all lynch sand instead.  I keep forgetting his 4 letter S name among the rest of them.

 

oh yeah it's [v] shad [/v]

 

[Shad_]

The Aiel Heart compendium volume 1:

 

 

 

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AH starting off on her overly jokey wolf meta

Meow. 

When was the last time you play with me when I was town? Stop slandering my name without evidence!!!! >.>

 

 

Ok, so this early in the game, it is mostly a jokey/everything is silly stage, therefore I could understand Eldrick posting and responding to something without reading all of the way. Not something I'd recommend (and after my last game, I of all people should know) but it's understandable this early, and I feel like Alanna/AJ/Laine is a little overbearing in her response (posy 78). Sooh's notice of that felt natural enough to me, and rung to me similar to how I've seen Sooh respond as town in the past. Yates likes this but NotBob doesn't. Out of all of that, the main thing that pings slightly is Laine's post for me. Everyone else just seems to have various opinions that don't necessarily agree. I'll have to continue to see how reactions go. 

 

Something about Shad's post is sticks out to me, but I can't put my finger on what it is. I like the responses given to the various topics. 

 

Aaaand I'm going to return to being "social" at my brother's graduation party

 

 

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Eldrick is kind of flipping all over the place now, and I can't say I like that. It's true that town can be inconsistent and feel uncomfortable under pressure, but this is seeming especially thin...

 

Eldrick, you do know it is a weekend and a lot of players are less active on weekends, right?

 

Alanna/AJ/Laine, I wonder if you are one of those people that will just always strike me as scummy, and would have to learn to read past it. I do think it is a gross overgeneralization to say that you shouldn't post as you are catching up otherwise you are mafia. 

 

Also, I have played one game in the last few years and in that one game I was mafia. Do not mark my play style as my mafia play style when you have no townie games to go on. 

 

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Post #21, Darthe said he had N0 viewed Eldrick as town. I’d taken that as a joke. Eldrick did done the vote on verbal because of the town list, then unvoted because he already had a train, Alanna pointed this out. Post #75 Eldrick points out the lack of consistency between Darthe’s “view” and his new action to vote Eldrick, which indicates that he took it to be an actual view, not a joke, and #80 seems to strengthen this (btw interested to see how Hallia reads him now). A few more posts of him responding to people, and then he says that HIS N0 peek was Sooh in #83. In that same post he says “thanks for the horrible Seer cover, Darthe."
Ok, so he’d been consistent in believing that seers were possible, presuming that he was a seer would he accept other seer claims? Also, why reveal that early? He had all of one vote on him.

He’s sticking by it too (reads in #193)

 

Eldrick, care to give any further insight to this?

 

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Sili, what? You're being odd.

I could do a Shad lunch, also a Talya lunch. I want to hear from Heart, atm

I'll be in and out today, going back to South Carolina. Currently trying to convince myself this bus ride isn't terrifying at all

About anything in particular?

 

Had my first full day of summer camp with the kiddos and am getting dragged to something else this evening. Going to try to reread this either tonight when I get back before collapsing or tomorrow before heading to work.

 

 

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Nothing I say right now is going to make any semblance of sense. Will read in the morning when my brain is hopefully functioning again. If anyone sees it, let me know

 

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I'm adding Sili and NotBob to the mafia game of insane people. 

 

Read up and going to do a reread and try to piece things. 

 

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I'm actually caught up, I'm just rereading.

 

I can't post from work, and as this is the first week of summer camp I'm coming home a little fried, so my activity is not going to be quite what it should be. That is not indicative of my alignment, only my situational ability.

 

Can I have a substantial reason for your vote that doesn't concern my real life? 

 

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@ Sili--Your reasons being: 

*You didn't like my other posts (saying the one you quoted was my "best one")--care to explain why?

*I'm "basically alway catching up"--First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons. It's not hard to stay caught up in this game, thus my current reread (on page 8). I'm also not sure why you're indicating that you disbelieve my real life is hectic, but whatevs.

*You want to balance the wagons and see how things go there--fair enough

 

Sooo address the question at the end of star number 1?

Also (if the answer to that one doesn't do it), what makes me the best option of vote for you at this point?

 

Back to reread

 

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Heart's post doesn't read to me as defensive.

What's the word you would use for

 

First off, this doesn't necessarily make me scummy. Secondly, I'm actually not, I just have a busy real life. I don't see why you are taking this as an issue for me when there are other people who have also been fairly inactive for similar reasons.

 

 

Stressed and defensive in nature not only as a wolf

 

Oh and WoT incoming shortly. 

 

 

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Explanatory?

I like that too.

 

 

Scum tend to be more inactive and make more excuses and not have reads or sheep reads rather. I think its pretty clear i think dae is scummier than u ah.

 

I'd agree with both of those. My stipulation on the bold is that this alone does not make scum.

 

Finishing my teal deer. 

 

 

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@380--fair enough and... *

@381--chase a dozen kindergardeners in open spaces for nine hours straight and report back to me

@382--*roll eyes* yes dear

 

 

 

*INCOMING

 

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Shad—(cutting snippets of my notes on him)—#29 was going to play up “I don’t get this game guys” (very first post). #122 explained his first post, said he wanted to seem unwolfy by saying what he would have done as wolf; personally I hate those posts and they jump out to me as wolfy. It bugs me in #148 that Shad doesn’t appear to see the difference between the Yates/NotBob votes on Verbal and the Eldrick one. The first two were jokes, the last was a “joke” that Eldrick himself took too seriously. And then he ends the post by riding on Eldrick’s shirt tails. Starts moving in on Darthe, #246 doesn’t like Darthe’s behavior and says Sili is “mimicking” it and is suspicious because of these. Posts since have been explanations of play. #291 questioning Yates’ night death “neutral kill keeps momentum rolling in same direction”
Legitimately trying, doesn’t seem to have firm hold of everything yet but is trying. I’m getting newbie trying to hit the ground running from him. Now, looking past the shaky ground that newness can cause, the places where he appears to have gaps in knowledge are interesting to me, and could be indicative of some sort of voting. I also really really do hate the “if I were scum, this is what I would be doing” posts. Leaning scum at the moment

Daet—first post #50 notes that there are two votes on Verbal already “any other options” —#97 he took it as a legitimate misplay on Eldrick’s part and also drew a little more attention to Verbal—#206 I like what it says. Seems very… Calculated.—#317 actually looks at the Talya drop which others hadn’t yet
Others are looking hard at post #97 and saying that he seemed too certain Eldrick was town. Once again, I can see where this lynch is coming from. I also like his posts in a way that makes me suspicious of them; they almost feel too carefully townie to me.
Throw in with that his swing vote in (more on that later, see the blue), and I think he goes from feeling very “mixed” to me to “leaning scummy”
Though, I think part of me also doesn’t want to lynch him so early in his first game back :P need to get past that.

Laine—I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t like a lot of her posts because she tends to make general assumptions; the first was that posting anything without being completely read up is scummy, which I didn’t think it was so early in the game. The next one that popped out to me was in post #255 when she scoffs at the gambit that Talya indicated was possible, which really wouldn’t have been much of a gambit and isn’t extremely ridiculous. I do follow the “more logical line of reasoning” but that then makes the generalization that “starting something” is indicative of scum, which it isn’t necessarily. She’s playing a lot like she did last game, which is digging in at certain people to the point that it almost seems to be tunneling, but also mentioning other people here and there as well. Will leave as leaning town for now to account for jumpiness.

Verbal—post #51 felt very out of character for me. Verbal isn’t normally a very defensive player, but he gave the early NotBob vote concerning “padding” a response which was… Really unwarranted that early in the game. #209 popped back in, semantics discussion with Shad followed—#320 saw Talya’s hammer as a genuine mistake and voted Daet because of his Eldrick knowledge

Hallia—really haven’t noticed a whole lot yet. I’ve noted two posts and can’t glean a great deal from them. Going to note here that she’s pushing Talya and Alanna and likes Sooh. Potential ISO

Darthe—I feel like his posts are a little more “popcorny” than they were in the last game I saw him play, but that could mean anything. I have an overall good feeling from him, but would like to see more of the thought that I know is going on.

Sili—had kind of focused in on Darthe for a bit, and then seems to have wandered away. Has since shifted gaze to Daet, and I get town feels from the post that was looking at him closely (#346), though the mislynches post (#303) struck me as odd. Still wondering the specifics of why the vote shifted to me. Still trying to figure out how Sili thinks; I didn’t interact with him a great deal in the Middle Earth game. Leaning town for him atm.

Sooh—doing a lot of explaining for other people, which is just kind of in her nature, but there were rarely thoughts of her own or her own behavior in the midst of those explanations for other people. Might be good to ISO that in particular. There was one post of substance that I noticed but forgot to make note of, then the next thing of substance is looking at Shad #312—then right after at #316 follows Sili with an ISO and then votes Darthe. Her play feels different this game and I don’t like it, and then that little switch tipped it into a scummy read for her.

Talya—she’d seemed rather townie to me at first, but during this reread something about #147 felt off to me… For some reason it felt more like laying implications rather than drawing connections. Did not like that hammer (more on that later, see the blue), though we do all make mistakes. In post #318 she posted to defend herself but didn’t say anything else, in post #343 she randomly took a closer look at Hallia and had a scum lean on her. Feels scummy to me at the moment.

NotBob—also still trying to figure out. I have very little basis to understand his play from, though I know from brief skims of other games popcorning in is normal for him. So far this game there’s been a combination of his own votes and then also “going along” with what select others are doing, and has given explanations every now and then. Leaning town for now, but really not basing that on much.



Another note
re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.


TL;DR


Shad—scummy
Daet—scummy
Laine—Town?
Verbal—Town?
Hallia—Null
Darthe—Town?
Sili—Town?
Sooh—scummy
Talya—scummy
NotBob—Null

Also, read the blue.

 

 

 

*Kisses for luck and releases to the tigers* 

 

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.... Why didn't the blue code stay?

 

Another note
re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.

NOW IN COLOR

 

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Hey Hallia, what do you think of things? 

 

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Two things occurred to me as I was brushing my teeth

 

1) Sili, a lot of the others here know that I just like to talk, and babble really easily, and I also do tend to over explain myself in any situation. I know you'll take that with a grain of salt this time, but just know that for future games. If people have meta on me, I want it to be accurate :P 

2) I never actually voted >.>

Vote count is

Dae (3) - Verbs, Notbob, Darthe, Sili

Darthe (1) - Sooh
Talya (1) - Dae 

6 to lynch

Dae needs a chance to response, and isn't my strongest scum anyway.

​Sooh I would like to hear more from. Sooh reads please?

Between Talya and Shad... I think at the moment it would be more informative to vote Talya

 

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*Headdesk* still am not changing the numbers in the vote counts. You'd think I'd've learned at some point during the pokemon game :P

 

 

Ok, with that I'm letting myself pass out. See y'all at some point tomorrow!

 

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In that read up I liked how Talya responded to the pressure. She didn't flail much; just shrugged it off and went about her business of looking at people, and I feel like that hammer was natural enough, not a weird forced one. It makes me feel a little better about her. Totally possible she was intentionally trying to do that to not appear scummy, but I'll accept it for the time being. 

 

Oh and Talya--will try to do a little more analyzing of what I see and find interesting. I do pull from notes a lot but I try to also give thoughts on these actions. Am wary of jumping to incorrect assumptions however; there's a million different things anything can mean. 

 

Going to look at things via the lens of Daet=mafia in the morning 

 

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Wait what? When did I say that the transition was good? And how on earth did I not point fingers at Daet but defend him?

 

Daet—first post #50 notes that there are two votes on Verbal already “any other options” —#97 he took it as a legitimate misplay on Eldrick’s part and also drew a little more attention to Verbal—#206 I like what it says. Seems very… Calculated.—#317 actually looks at the Talya drop which others hadn’t yet
Others are looking hard at post #97 and saying that he seemed too certain Eldrick was town. Once again, I can see where this lynch is coming from. I also like his posts in a way that makes me suspicious of them; they almost feel too carefully townie to me. <--this was a major scum indicator for me actually--his posts were a good combination of looking everywhere and looked at some people who had heat and some people who had none
Throw in with that his swing vote in (more on that later, see the blue), and I think he goes from feeling very “mixed” to me to “leaning scummy”
Though, I think part of me also doesn’t want to lynch him so early in his first game back :P need to get past that.
 
...
 

Another note
re:#205—that whole situation (with the N0 views and all) still makes no sense and I still don’t like it.—btw, (and this is the relevant part) that post was at 10:01 am June 8. I asked a question of Eldrick in it. At that time, the only votes on Eldrick were Laine, Darthe, Sili and NotBob. He was hammered at 2:43pm June 8 in post #238 and hadn’t posted yet. The last three votes (Verbal, Daet and Talya) landed on him without a word of any kind or chance of defense from him. Verbal’s vote I was ok with. Daet’s was backed up by previous posts but he kind of just swung in there and laid a vote. Talya said in #318 that she had been writing the post as Daet voted. She knew how it would look and thought he would flip scum and didn’t think of a reveal. Could just be an honest mistake. The entire end of day feels off though and I feel like it's going to have further repercussions. 

Going to look back on some Yates posts too. Town =/= right, but I’d prefer to think he was killed for a reason.

I suppose the bold is where you are getting the "smooth transition" from? 

He said that his previous posts backed it up; sorry, I should have put that in quotations. Look at the post where he swung in and voted. If anything, his vote was the most scummy in there. 

 

 

Also note he was on my scum list.

 

 

[Shad_]

and 2

 

 

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Post #384

 

She notes that people are saying he seemed so sure that he knew Eld was Town, but she can see where this lynch is coming from...ahh I see what I did, I assumed she was still talking about his vote on the Eld lynch, but she is actually talking about his lynch.

Yeah I was referring to Daet's lynch :P

 

 

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Dangit Leelou, why isn't town green? You messed up my skittle puke 
 

1. Eldrick, Mother - vanilla town - lynched D1
2. Shad_
3. Daetirion - The Alien - goon - lynched D2
4. Yates - Space Jockey - vanilla townie - killed N1
5. Laine
6. Verb - Kane - vanilla townie - killed N2
7. Hallia
8. Darthe
9. Aiel <3
10. Sili
11. Sooh
12. Talya--claimed vanilla town
13. NotBob

 
Did anyone else make a claim I hadn't noticed yet?
 
Ok, so there are nine players left in this game. Going by the normal 1/4 rule of thumb, there are probably two more mafia. The 13th player may mean there's a 3rd party player, but we'll assume no for now. 
 
Nine players = 2 mafia, probably 2-3 power roles (doc, cop and possible vig. Can't remember how common those are in basic games) and the rest vanilla townies. 
 

One order of business: why Yates and Verbal?
A few options here
1) They were suspected power roles for whatever reason
2) They were on to something
3) They're good players and the mafia wanted to take them out earlier rather than later
4) Random choice and the mafia is just trying to screw with us?
 
Yates' posts primarily consisted of discussing his leg hair, questioning Laine about a few things though not actually pushing her, and generally questioning and refining things with others such as shad, Eldrick and Daet. In my opinion his play had been very strongly town (though that could just be 20/20 hindsight at this point) so that is perhaps the reason he was lynched.

Verbal didn’t like Shad’s beginning, was one of the later votes on Eldrick, questioned Alanna’s discomfort and questioned Darthe’s swag. He liked Sili’s call that Daet, me and Hallia were wolves. Also generally looking at people and questioning them.

GRRR there is something obvious here that I am missing!!!!!


Next order of business: Daet:
Daet listed Eldrick’s accusers as Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia with a possibly NotBob, and says there are probably one or two mafia on that list. There probably are. If one or two of them turned up mafia, it would make him look better. He also drew more attention to Verb’s activity.
He later looked at Talya and Alanna, then said that Sili was concerning him and that Shad needs to be focused upon.
Sili and Alanna are the two consistent people from those lists, which could mean anything.
He then focused on Talya in the midst of defending himself.

....
 3) Yates being NK'd as someone who "caught my slip". Yes he questioned my post, but if you think my Mafia game is bad enough to immediately kill a primary accuser you underestimate my Mafia game! 
...

Interesting to note. May or may not be true. Yates could have still been lynched for another reason.

Posting this much for now then will synthesize this with my previous reads list and the developments since then.

 

 

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Just out of curiosity, NotBob

 

could be as simple as ah, hallia, and dae.
 
book it.

 
AH is prolly town...the others i could see.

 

Where did this read of yours come from (for me and Hallia)?

 

 

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post #522 was at Darthe.
 
@ AH - that is so much better to read, thank you

It's also easier to analyze when you have more actual content to work with :P

And I need to get ready for work now so I'm going to finish synthesizing later because I feel like the last few pages need more than just a breeze over, especially because there is so much about Shad and Sooh, who are the two remaining from my previous scum list (lifting this from my current WoT in progress: "Verbal being town and his comments on Talya combined with how Talya responded under pressure makes me feel better about her, so I’ll lift her from the scum list for now.")


Darthe, I don't care if you're not invested in this game yet, you are not helping town with your behavior, and it's getting irritating. Now give me a reason to trust you!

Hallia, can I have reasons with your leans list?

I like NotBob, and I'm not sure why. The interactions with NotBob, Sili and Darthe have been interesting because of all of the pop corning, though Sili has posted a little more content than the others.
 

BLAAAAAH be back later

 

 

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Really weird that I mentioned NotBob and the two posts that ninja'd me also mentioned him o.O will need to figure out why that was later

 

Ok actually leaving now!

 

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Heart you'll never fully trust me, you know that.

Yes, but I'm Heartbroken that you're not even trying! (BROKEN I tell you)

 

 

Btw, had needed to leave early to get my roommate to work and then was going to try to do things here while I was waiting for my work to actually start, but I've spent most of this time fighting with the wifi. Let's see how much I get done in the next ten minutes...

 

 

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...

Just prior to this you had posted a solid reads listed that looked like you had put a little effort into it.  I didn't see the same effort from the posts of Hallia or Dae.  You still have clean hands so you've moved a little in my current reads list.  Scum hunters always get a little dirty trying to search  while hidden scum like to avoid contact at least in the early stages.  

 

Oh and read and accepted 

 

 

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Talya, I like your anecdotes on everyone, and I have read them and think I understand what you are implying in each of them, but just to be sure I'm certain on where you lie, can you put your feelings into a leans list for me?

 

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Need to go *sigh* so back to my original statement that I'll be back after work. 

 

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Still, it seems like I'm missing something and it's queer.

 

Could be hallia, but I don't want to add weight to her wagon since she tends to be an easy mislynch if she's town.

I'm getting that too. Additionally I have the feeling there's a wolf going "haha they aren't looking at me hard enough"

 

And I'm back

 

 

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Last major WoT
As of back then:

 

 

Scummy:

Shad
Daet
Sooh
Talya

Town:
Laine
Verbal
Darthe
Sili

Null:
Hallia
NotBob

 

Ok, Daet was mafia and Verbal was town.

Verbal being town and his comments on Talya combined with how Talya responded under pressure makes me feel better about her, so I’ll lift her from the scum list for now. I’ve continued to feel good about her play.

Hallia mentioned not liking NotBob, and Shad he didn’t like him soon after (noticed this when working earlier, and can’t refind it now), and Laine did before too long as well. She said Laine’s lack of action on the Daet/Talya lynches makes her feel better about Laine, and while I comprehend the reason she gave that still seemed strange to me. I’m still really not sure how to feel about her. Looking at her ISO, she was confident that Eldrick was derptown, which kind of reminds me of Daet to be honest. Put pressure on Alanna because of her interactions with Yates, which is also interesting. Hallia could be a really informative lynch at this point. Said she liked my posts when Sili was putting the heat on me (Sili—is this the “buddying you mentioned in #559?), and felt better about Alanna later on, to the point that she was listed as solid town on the latest reads list. NotBob being mafia came out of nowhere. There’s just something missing about all of this, and it’s not just a number of posts.

Laine has continued to include me and Sooh in her Scum lists but hasn’t really developed her cases with the onslaught of posts. She also said she’d try to get more reads up later, so I’ll await that. Also want to know more of her reasoning behind NotBob and Shad. Will leave as town but I’m not feeling very certain of it.

Shad has continued to be very interesting in this game, and I’m trying to decide what is from his newness but seeming to know a lot, and what is from potentially scummy play. I still really don’t like how much his thinking is trying to get into the mind of the mafia so strongly… That’s part of this game but when you start doing it a ton it seems it’s like you are them. But I’m strangely feeling better about him. Lift?

Darthe—acting like he doesn’t care, has been carrying that on for a while. It’s definitely not helping town play, but he’s nonchalant about that. Something about how he’s posting seems off to me and has, but perhaps it’s as Verbal pointed out. Kind of want to vote him out of frustration. At best, he’s town, pressure would somehow engage him to play, then we can all unvote and get on to actual mafia. At also good, he’s mafia, and would get lynched. At bad, we’d lose a townie who really isn’t helping the game. At worst, we’d lose a power role who still wasn’t helping the game much. Darthe, please don’t make me vote you just because you’re being frustrating with your activity. I respect you far too much as a player and don’t want it to come to that.

Sili—his interactions with Darthe have been strange, as he’s gone around with whether Darthe is scum or not throughout the game, and it’s not really seemed to correlate with anything Darthe is or isn’t doing. Have liked his activity and that he seems to be trying to solve and I’ve liked a lot of what he’s said, but I’m also wary for a reason I can’t quite describe.

Sooh—still is seeming very careful, and it doesn’t seem to be the new sort of careful anymore. She has given explanations for various things when prodded, and has given a few thoughts on her own, but there is also a significant amount of her posts that just kind of jump in, commentate on why someone is reading someone else wrong, then pop back out.

NotBob—am liking him and agreeing with a lot of what he says. Will have to watch him closely because of that but will choose to believe him for now.

Scummy:
Sooh
Hallia?
Darthe?

Town?
Shad
Laine
Darthe
Sili
Talya
NotBob



So there is where my logical side is trying to lead me. Going by gut feelings alone, things look a little different:

Town:
NotBob
Shad
Talya

Townish but fear may be a lurking scum:
Darthe
Sili
Laine

Mafia:
Sooh

Can’t figure out for some reason:
Hallia



Take all of that as you will.



So, Sooh is my strongest mafia lead, though I feel like it’s whisps still at this point. There are already three votes on her. I could get behind her lynch but right now for the interests of hearing what she has to say and gleaning more information, I’m going to [v]vote Hallia[/v]


Darthe and Sili—what are your reasons behind voting me right now? Do you feel I am your strongest mafia lean or is it some other reason?

 

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I suppose the ninja post answered that for sili somewhat. Laine, your reasons for not liking me?

 

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"Prob" is a very strong word. Possibly, but certainly not acting like it, and definitely not doing town any good if you are. So if you are town and especially if you end up leading a mislynch on me, please do grow up and help town win. 

 

 

 

I tend to seem scummy to people. That's just one of the factors of me playing. It usually keeps me from being nightkilled because the mafia tries to push me, so if I die look hard at what lead to it. Some of them will be just honestly mistaken but others are going to be taking advantage of how scummy tend to seem in games. Might be worth me reading into tonight just to see what I can unearth...

 

 

 

Oh and Laine just saw your post and thank you for it. 

 

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*Some of [those voting me] will just honestly be mistaken but others are going to be taking advantage of how scummy I tend to seem in games

 

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Oh and that first part was addressed at Darthe, just in case that wasn't clear

 

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It's been a short time period, but I feel like a lot has been said so it could be quite productive still. 

 

Are you unvoting purely for that reason?

 

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Shad's issue with you is your overall posting style this game, at least from what I recall of what he's said of you offhand. 

 

[v] AielHeart [/v]
Says Sooh is her strongest mafia read, yet votes me. Makes no sense.

1) Give Sooh a chance to respond

2) See how you respond under pressure

3) See how people react to the competing trains

Votes aren't set until hammer or deadline hits. May as well use them. 

 

[unvote]

[v]Darthe[/v]

Change we can believe in. 

 

Ah's posts are constructed like she wants to be understood, but I don't necessarily get the feeling she wants to catch scum so it's a problem.

I want to catch scum, I'm just overly paranoid and see potential scum everywhere!

I'm also just not all that bright at times...

What can I do to convince you at this point? Really am putting all I have into it, especially since I might not last much longer.

Which reminds me, I was going to look at people's reads on me tonight.

 

 

[Aiel Heart]

Aww look Shad was going through my posts at the same time I was
 
Short description of my posts and posts about me to be read and analyzed in my next post:

Four silly (I just wrote that as “Sili” oh dear) posts by me[/size]
Post #61 Darthe “overly jokey wolf meta” 
Post #100 I post again giving opinion of Eldrick situation and Alanna slightly pinged me
Post #103 Darthe said I over-explained
Post #107 Alanna was looking at me but that’s because she pinged me
Post #108 Darthe said either me or Eldrick were wolves 
Post #123 Sooh said I felt like I did in Middle Earth game (was mafia)
Post #139 Me post, quoted later because of the line about Alanna generalizing
Post #205 my next post, which looked at the N0 stuff. 
Post #223 Darthe TL;DR
Post #288 Alanna wants to hear from me
Post #292 I pop in and ask Alanna if she wants to hear about anything in particular (next few posts hold the convo)
Post #305 Sili prefers me, Talya or Daet for a lynch, Alanna agrees next post (no reasons given)
Post #359 say I’m going to reread
Post #360 Sili votes me saying that that one had been my best post
The few posts that follow are a back and forth about my real life and activity and such
Post #372 Darthe more certain I am a wolf
Next post sili calls me defensive
Next post Hallia says I don’t seem defensive
Sili: how not?
Hallia: explanatory 
More back and forth
Post #384 my first wall of text 
+a few straggle posts by me
Sili unvoted after it
Post #395 Shad = likes my post and I’m off radar for the time being
Post #405 Sili—mafia is me, Hallia and daet
Post #409—Alanna still likes me as a wolf, doesn’t say why (also likes Dae ant Sooh)
Post #412 NotBob says I’m probably town
Post #413 Verbal says he could go with the “Heart, Hallia, Daet”
Post #434 Talya’s anecdote on me—says I mainly record events without writing too many of my thoughts in (fair enough)
Post #476—just because I’m noting everything else, it is shown in Talya’s anecdote of Sooh that she liked something I said about eldrick at some point. I recall her saying that but didn’t notice it this time around and I’m on page 24/32 and am too lazy to go back for it so close to sleepy time 
Post #481—Sooh said I see 2/3 of the players scummy, but maybe I’m just paranoid—two posts later I’m listed as a null
Post #498 I like talya better and will be back 
Post #499 Sili— me, Hallia and Verbal are possibly scum (Verb died two posts later)
Post #503 Shad says I’m defending Daet. I took this all as him misunderstanding my wording but it did feel rather contrived at the time too; waited to see if it continued rather than do something that was OMGUS-y
The whole conversation about Talya misunderstanding me followed…
Post #508 I’m null to Hallia
Post #521 me—skittle puke 1 plus a few thoughts 
A few questions from me followed…
Post #535 Alanna—me and Sooh are solid scum on her reads list, NotBob and Shad are orange
Post #538 NotBob says why he liked me
Post #550 Talya has me as a very very slight town read
Post #553 Sili votes me
Post #555 Dathe votes me 
Post #556 Sili unvotes me
Post #559 Sili says Hallia buddied me
Post #566 Sili revotes me
Post #567 Darthe “SPEEDLYNCHING HEART
Post #568 Sili hopes to get lucky
Post #577 Sili has me on the bottom of his list. Doesn’t actually say anything about me. 
Post #583 Alanna votes Sooh over me (just noting)
Post #584 Sili likes me better than Sooh
Post #585 my next WoT
Post #586 Alanna can go for either of us—explains why me in #589
Post #588 Darthe notes a waffle
Back and forth…
Post #598 me, Hallia and Sooh are the only viable lynch candidates 
Post #601 Hallia votes me for voting her over Sooh
Post #603 Sili unvotes, votes Sooh (then unvotes and votes Darthe)
Post #617 Shad still needs to ISO me
Post #618” Ah's posts are constructed like she wants to be understood, but I don't necessarily get the feeling she wants to catch scum so it's a problem.”
Post #622 my responses to people
Post #623 shad—my paranoia sounds fake
Post #625 Darthe notes that I had called him town at first—we’ll of course totally ignore that reads can change with a change in behavior or lack thereof… 
Post #626 Alanna thinks I’m pretty pro-town atm
Post #627 and #628 Shad quoting all of my posts

 

[Aiel Heart]

Now in color (because I think in color)
 

Four silly (I just wrote that as “Sili” oh dear) posts by me
Post #61 Darthe “overly jokey wolf meta”
Post #100 I post again giving opinion of Eldrick situation and Alanna slightly pinged me
Post #103 Darthe said I over-explained
Post #107 Alanna was looking at me but that’s because she pinged me
Post #108 Darthe said either me or Eldrick were wolves 
Post #123 Sooh said I felt like I did in Middle Earth game (was mafia)
Post #139 Me post, quoted later because of the line about Alanna generalizing
Post #205 my next post, which looked at the N0 stuff. 
Post #223 Darthe TL;DR
Post #288 Alanna wants to hear from me
Post #292 I pop in and ask Alanna if she wants to hear about anything in particular (next few posts hold the convo)
Post #305 Sili prefers me, Talya or Daet for a lynch, Alanna agrees next post (no reasons given)
Post #359 say I’m going to reread
Post #360 Sili votes me saying that that one had been my best post
The few posts that follow are a back and forth about my real life and activity and such
Post #372 Darthe more certain I am a wolf
Next post sili calls me defensive
Next post Hallia says I don’t seem defensive
Sili: how not?
Hallia: explanatory 
More back and forth
Post #384 my first wall of text 
+a few straggle posts by me
Sili unvoted after it[/background]
Post #395 Shad = likes my post and I’m off radar for the time being
Post #405 Sili—mafia is me, Hallia and daet[/background]
Post #409—Alanna still likes me as a wolf, doesn’t say why (also likes Dae ant Sooh)
Post #412 NotBob says I’m probably town
Post #413 Verbal says he could go with the “Heart, Hallia, Daet”
Post #434 Talya’s anecdote on me—says I mainly record events without writing too many of my thoughts in (fair enough)
Post #476—just because I’m noting everything else, it is shown in Talya’s anecdote of Sooh that she liked something I said about eldrick at some point. I recall her saying that but didn’t notice it this time around and I’m on page 24/32 and am too lazy to go back for it so close to sleepy time [/background]
Post #481—Sooh said I see 2/3 of the players scummy, but maybe I’m just paranoid—two posts later I’m listed as a null
Post #498 I like talya better and will be back 
Post #499 Sili— me, Hallia and Verbal are possibly scum (Verb died two posts later)
Post #503 Shad says I’m defending Daet. I took this all as him misunderstanding my wording but it did feel rather contrived at the time too; waited to see if it continued rather than do something that was OMGUS-y
The whole conversation about Talya misunderstanding me followed…
Post #508 I’m null to Hallia
Post #521 me—skittle puke 1 plus a few thoughts 
A few questions from me followed…
Post #535 Alanna—me and Sooh are solid scum on her reads list, NotBob and Shad are orange
Post #538 NotBob says why he liked me
Post #550 Talya has me as a very very slight town read
Post #553 Sili votes me
Post #555 Dathe votes me
Post #556 Sili unvotes me
Post #559 Sili says Hallia buddied me
Post #566 Sili revotes me
Post #567 Darthe “SPEEDLYNCHING HEART"
Post #568 Sili hopes to get lucky[/background]
Post #577 Sili has me on the bottom of his list. Doesn’t actually say anything about me. 
Post #583 Alanna votes Sooh over me (just noting)
Post #584 Sili likes me better than Sooh
Post #585 my next WoT
Post #586 Alanna can go for either of us—explains why me in #589
Post #588 Darthe notes a waffle
Back and forth
Post #598 (sili said)

me, Hallia and Sooh are the only viable lynch candidates 
Post #601 Hallia votes me for voting her over Sooh
Post #603 Sili unvotes, votes Sooh (then unvotes and votes Darthe)
Post #617 Shad still needs to ISO me
Post #618” (Sliy said) Ah's posts are constructed like she wants to be understood, but I don't necessarily get the feeling she wants to catch scum so it's a problem."
Post #622 my responses to people
Post #623 shad—my paranoia sounds fake
Post #625 Darthe notes that I had called him town at first—we’ll of course totally ignore that reads can change with a change in behavior or lack thereof…
Post #626 Alanna thinks I’m pretty pro-town atm
Post #627 and #628 Shad quoting all of my posts

 
Ok, so Darthe has never liked me, I caught Alanna's attention when I didn't like her but her opinion has now changed, Sili's attention came to me somehow and he's not liked me since, Hallia sort of defended me but now doesn't like me because of my vote on her, other people are now paying attention to me because of the attention I'm getting, except for NotBob who apparently has been ok with me all along. 
 
Darthe and Hallia feel the worst to me, though I didn't like how Sili didn't exactly give me a real case on why I was being voted.
Actually, no one has really given a case on me at all... If I'm going to die, can I at least have the dignity of a case on me? 

 

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[Shad_]

I'm not giving a case on you because I don't have one. 

[Aiel Heart]

 

I want to catch scum, I'm just overly paranoid and see potential scum everywhere!

I'm also just not all that bright at times...

What can I do to convince you at this point? Really am putting all I have into it, especially since I might not last much longer.

Which reminds me, I was going to look at people's reads on me tonight. 

 

This sounds so fake.

 

*Shrug* can't help that.

In mafia I have the philosophy of guilty until proven innocent. 

 

AH spewed me town like 5x over.

 

When she flips ya'll can reassess.

I thought you might be town. But your behavior has not changed, you have given no reads and have just blown off any questions you've gotten. If my reads didn't change at all throughout the game, THAT would be suspicious. We all know I'm not that good.

I really worry about what will happen to you when I flip town. If you're town, I'd rather we not lose due to your shenanigans. Your blatant lack of care makes me hope you're mafia.

[Aiel Heart]

I'm not giving a case on you because I don't have one. 

You just quoted all of my posts. Do you at least have thoughts?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

I want to catch scum, I'm just overly paranoid and see potential scum everywhere!

 

I'm also just not all that bright at times...

What can I do to convince you at this point? Really am putting all I have into it, especially since I might not last much longer.

Which reminds me, I was going to look at people's reads on me tonight.

This sounds so fake.

*Shrug* can't help that.

In mafia I have the philosophy of guilty until proven innocent.

AH spewed me town like 5x over.

 

When she flips ya'll can reassess.

I thought you might be town. But your behavior has not changed, you have given no reads and have just blown off any questions you've gotten. If my reads didn't change at all throughout the game, THAT would be suspicious. We all know I'm not that good.

I really worry about what will happen to you when I flip town. If you're town, I'd rather we not lose due to your shenanigans. Your blatant lack of care makes me hope you're mafia.

Villagery ensignia

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

I want to catch scum, I'm just overly paranoid and see potential scum everywhere!

 

I'm also just not all that bright at times...

What can I do to convince you at this point? Really am putting all I have into it, especially since I might not last much longer.

Which reminds me, I was going to look at people's reads on me tonight.

This sounds so fake.

*Shrug* can't help that.

In mafia I have the philosophy of guilty until proven innocent.

AH spewed me town like 5x over.

 

When she flips ya'll can reassess.

I thought you might be town. But your behavior has not changed, you have given no reads and have just blown off any questions you've gotten. If my reads didn't change at all throughout the game, THAT would be suspicious. We all know I'm not that good.

I really worry about what will happen to you when I flip town. If you're town, I'd rather we not lose due to your shenanigans. Your blatant lack of care makes me hope you're mafia.

Villagery stamp of approval.

[Sili Quirrels]

Bleh.

[Darthe]

Now in color (because I think in color)

 

 

 

Four silly (I just wrote that as “Sili” oh dear) posts by me

Post #61 Darthe “overly jokey wolf meta”

Post #100 I post again giving opinion of Eldrick situation and Alanna slightly pinged me

Post #103 Darthe said I over-explained

Post #107 Alanna was looking at me but that’s because she pinged me

Post #108 Darthe said either me or Eldrick were wolves 

Post #123 Sooh said I felt like I did in Middle Earth game (was mafia)

Post #139 Me post, quoted later because of the line about Alanna generalizing

Post #205 my next post, which looked at the N0 stuff. 

Post #223 Darthe TL;DR

Post #288 Alanna wants to hear from me

Post #292 I pop in and ask Alanna if she wants to hear about anything in particular (next few posts hold the convo)

Post #305 Sili prefers me, Talya or Daet for a lynch, Alanna agrees next post (no reasons given)

Post #359 say I’m going to reread

Post #360 Sili votes me saying that that one had been my best post

The few posts that follow are a back and forth about my real life and activity and such

Post #372 Darthe more certain I am a wolf

Next post sili calls me defensive

Next post Hallia says I don’t seem defensive

Sili: how not?

Hallia: explanatory 

More back and forth

Post #384 my first wall of text 

+a few straggle posts by me

Sili unvoted after it[/background]

Post #395 Shad = likes my post and I’m off radar for the time being

Post #405 Sili—mafia is me, Hallia and daet[/background]

Post #409—Alanna still likes me as a wolf, doesn’t say why (also likes Dae ant Sooh)

Post #412 NotBob says I’m probably town

Post #413 Verbal says he could go with the “Heart, Hallia, Daet”

Post #434 Talya’s anecdote on me—says I mainly record events without writing too many of my thoughts in (fair enough)

Post #476—just because I’m noting everything else, it is shown in Talya’s anecdote of Sooh that she liked something I said about eldrick at some point. I recall her saying that but didn’t notice it this time around and I’m on page 24/32 and am too lazy to go back for it so close to sleepy time [/background]

Post #481—Sooh said I see 2/3 of the players scummy, but maybe I’m just paranoid—two posts later I’m listed as a null

Post #498 I like talya better and will be back 

Post #499 Sili— me, Hallia and Verbal are possibly scum (Verb died two posts later)

Post #503 Shad says I’m defending Daet. I took this all as him misunderstanding my wording but it did feel rather contrived at the time too; waited to see if it continued rather than do something that was OMGUS-y

The whole conversation about Talya misunderstanding me followed…

Post #508 I’m null to Hallia

Post #521 me—skittle puke 1 plus a few thoughts 

A few questions from me followed…

Post #535 Alanna—me and Sooh are solid scum on her reads list, NotBob and Shad are orange

Post #538 NotBob says why he liked me

Post #550 Talya has me as a very very slight town read

Post #553 Sili votes me

Post #555 Dathe votes me

Post #556 Sili unvotes me

Post #559 Sili says Hallia buddied me

Post #566 Sili revotes me

Post #567 Darthe “SPEEDLYNCHING HEART"

Post #568 Sili hopes to get lucky[/background]

Post #577 Sili has me on the bottom of his list. Doesn’t actually say anything about me. 

Post #583 Alanna votes Sooh over me (just noting)

Post #584 Sili likes me better than Sooh

Post #585 my next WoT

Post #586 Alanna can go for either of us—explains why me in #589

Post #588 Darthe notes a waffle

Back and forth

Post #598 (sili said)

me, Hallia and Sooh are the only viable lynch candidates 

Post #601 Hallia votes me for voting her over Sooh

Post #603 Sili unvotes, votes Sooh (then unvotes and votes Darthe)

Post #617 Shad still needs to ISO me

Post #618” (Sliy said) Ah's posts are constructed like she wants to be understood, but I don't necessarily get the feeling she wants to catch scum so it's a problem."

Post #622 my responses to people

Post #623 shad—my paranoia sounds fake

Post #625 Darthe notes that I had called him town at first—we’ll of course totally ignore that reads can change with a change in behavior or lack thereof…

Post #626 Alanna thinks I’m pretty pro-town atm

Post #627 and #628 Shad quoting all of my posts

 

 

 

Ok, so Darthe has never liked me, I caught Alanna's attention when I didn't like her but her opinion has now changed, Sili's attention came to me somehow and he's not liked me since, Hallia sort of defended me but now doesn't like me because of my vote on her, other people are now paying attention to me because of the attention I'm getting, except for NotBob who apparently has been ok with me all along. 

 

Darthe and Hallia feel the worst to me, though I didn't like how Sili didn't exactly give me a real case on why I was being voted.

Actually, no one has really given a case on me at all... If I'm going to die, can I at least have the dignity of a case on me? 

 

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I sense that the bolds are related

[Darthe]

[v] AielHeart [/v]

Says Sooh is her strongest mafia read, yet votes me. Makes no sense.

Game's prob as easy as Hally/Sooh.

[Darthe]

IDK games not caught me yet.  Most mafia games i am just ready to go right off the bat.  Here I haven't felt it and no offense to you all but you've bored me.  Nothing has pulled me into it like it would if I found a lead I was really invested in or saw a town core, it just seems like a lot of talking without substance.

[Shad_]

 

I'm not giving a case on you because I don't have one. 

You just quoted all of my posts. Do you at least have thoughts?

 

 

I think you've been trying, you made a few observations I don't agree with and the wrong call on Talya, but I can't agree that you weren't looking.  A lot of the text is notes, but the notes contain analysis.  Sometimes your ah, punctuation remarks feel forced ("GRRR there is something obvious here that I am missing!!!!!", "I'm also just not all that bright at times..."), but the situations where I felt that don't point to anything negative.  The only thing I really have on you is voting Talya, and we know at least one town did.

 

You pinged in on Sooh a lot and noted a connection between her and Hallie, and if this game is going to pan out really easy than that just might be the answer.

[Shad_]

 

[v] AielHeart [/v]

Says Sooh is her strongest mafia read, yet votes me. Makes no sense.

Game's prob as easy as Hally/Sooh.

 

 

Woah

[Shad_]

Darthe we could be team mates.

[Darthe]

Shad shush.  You say the right things in the wrong way and it's confusing me.

 

as a matter of fact a lot of you have that issue.  figure out the most concise, simplest way to say exactly what you mean and resist the urge to add onto it.  Talk directly to people instead of talking about them to the group.  Avoid using hyperbole and rhetoric when it isn't constructive.

 

You'll win town reads like that.

[Darthe]

Haven't I had long standing - reads on Hally/Sooh?  Could have sworn that was a thing

[Darthe]

Notbob is alive.

 

Has he done anything or been sussed in ten pages?

[Sili Quirrels]

IDK games not caught me yet.  Most mafia games i am just ready to go right off the bat.  Here I haven't felt it and no offense to you all but you've bored me.  Nothing has pulled me into it like it would if I found a lead I was really invested in or saw a town core, it just seems like a lot of talking without substance

 

What sort of substance are you talking about?

[Sili Quirrels]

Notbob is alive.

 

Has he done anything or been sussed in ten pages?

No, seems bussing has given him a short reprieve. =/

[Darthe]

Undefined quality that I can't quite describe in an explicit sense but relates to depth and intrigue in games which is where I have fun.

[Sili Quirrels]

Shad shush.  You say the right things in the wrong way and it's confusing me.

 

as a matter of fact a lot of you have that issue.  figure out the most concise, simplest way to say exactly what you mean and resist the urge to add onto it.  Talk directly to people instead of talking about them to the group.  Avoid using hyperbole and rhetoric when it isn't constructive.

 

You'll win town reads like that.

I lol'd.

[Darthe]

 

Notbob is alive.

 

Has he done anything or been sussed in ten pages?

No, seems bussing has given him a short reprieve. =/

 

Then he is a wolf more than 25% of the time.