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Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

Leelou

By Leelou
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Shad_ Spam Master

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Sooh's posts (cut a few without any real content)

 

 

 

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Eldrick basically always posts in catch up mode, w or v, so that's not indicative IMO.

 

Alanna seems to really want to vote him.

 

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Ok... Here are some of my thoughts so far. 

 

Dae seems towny to me for having some good observations on the gameplay. 

 

Alannalynn also seems towny to me for good town process and just pointing out things. 

 

 

I'm on the fence with Eldrick. I know he has rolled mafia like the majority of his games that I've played with him, but from his gameplay so far I don't know what to believe. It was a strange vote/reaction on Verb. Like you've all pointed out, it has more to do with his comments after than the actual vote during the catching up phase. 

 

Heart feels a bit like she did in Middle Earth when she was mafia. I can't really pinpoint why. It's more a feeling right now. 

 

I feel about Talya like I do with Heart, but I felt like Talya was mafia in Middle Earth and she wasn't.

 

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**snip** 

 

Also, I have played one game in the last few years and in that one game I was mafia. Do not mark my play style as my mafia play style when you have no townie games to go on. 

I didn't know that. I've only been here a few months you know :smile:

 

I do like what you pointed out about Eldrick being all over the place though. 

 

 

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I'm still not biting the Eldrick chain.  It might be useful information later, but I think the inconsistencies in his subsequent posts feel more like a natural reaction to getting tossed under the bus.  He did say something contradictory in his second post--"listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me"--and he's trying to justify both the "joke" side and the "serious" side but I really don't see a way to explain both.  If he really is wolf, shouldn't one of them stop him from digging this hole and redirect our attention on someone else?

 


 

Alanna/AJ/Laine, I wonder if you are one of those people that will just always strike me as scummy, and would have to learn to read past it. I do think it is a gross overgeneralization to say that you shouldn't post as you are catching up otherwise you are mafia. 

 

This is how I feel.  I didn't like how she's been approaching Eldrick at all. 

 

 


 Felt like day one crap votes. It was literally page two and most of what had been said so far was spam.

 

 

For instance this, justifying Yates and NotBob's "day one crap votes" while gunning down Eldrick for the same.

 

But does this approach make her wolfy, or a really aggressive town trying to light some fires and get this game rolling?  Her individual posts almost never sit well with me, but when I look at them as a collective I am totally comfortable with her.

 

I got good vibes from Daetirion and NotBob, but that doesn't mean much early on.

 

I went to bed last night with Darthe in my headlights, and I woke up to find Eldrick had voted him.  This is going to come back and haunt me if Eldrick does get lynched first and flips wolf (doubtful), but I really dislike Darthe's attitude so far.  Zero engagement, just pops in once in a while to remind us that good little townies will vote Eldrick.

Actually this whole Darthe going after one player in particular is what he did in House of Cards with me. He was town and wrong, but he did it almost exactly that way. 

 

 

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I need to go back and reread a few pages, but I'm fairly convinced Eldrick is a wolf here. 

 

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Shad - it's fairly common knowledge for the rest of us I think that Verb doesn't do mafia on the weekends. Say what you will of it, but I believe that's why he didn't respond to any comments to him until now.

 

Yes, I figured that out a long time ago.  Verbal dusted that old post off.

 

Ok, well... then I don't understand your push.

 

 

I'm not pushing anything in this instance.  :???:

 

You were asking him to put out more content, but I see now that you may have been made aware of the fact that he's barely here on the weekend after that question.

 

 

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Dae was playing a lot before I believe, and has had a hiatus from playing. As for Shad he did mention having read up on a couple of games. I remember being accused of something similar in my first game when I was trying to do what other people were doing and using their lingo, so I am not really suspicious of that on its own. I'll go ISO him though, just to see if anything sticks out.

 

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So was Eldrick. :rolleyes:

If that's how town plays we will earn every bit of the loss.  Onus to look town is on players, not the ones who vote them.  Our only job is to clear ourselves and discern who warrants votes.

 

WOW, new concept.

 

Shad is probably scum though. Teammates Talya and Heart

 

 

I'm playing poorly in a way that I'm afraid isn't very obvious.  I'm a very passive liar.  I like to scheme in the background, but when it comes to directly engaging someone I feel really uncomfortable.  The only way to protect my wolf game in the long run will be to drastically tone down my village game, make the two less distinct.  But I figured, first game, I would just give it my all and, if I made bad reads, at least my blatant honesty about them would clear my own name.

It's not working out that way.  I guess I should ask: what do you think makes me woofy?  I don't think you'll find a shred of inconsistency in my approach so far, so if I'm lying I seem to have a very organized plan which is nevertheless ineffective.

 

Ok yeah... this part about analyzing his own never before tried out (?) wolf game is weird. I couldn't tell you my wolf game if I tried, even though I did do a turbo as a wolf.

 

 

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It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

 

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

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I'll read everyone's posts in isolation (ISO) tonight and create a reads list for you all. I know you've been waiting for that from me. I'll have time tonight my time, which means some time in the day for you US folks.

 

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Oki.. going to go through and read everyone in ISO now. 

 

Shad - He defends Eldrick during D1. No clear TMI, but enough hinting for it to be strange. He also seems to have extensive knowledge about the game for only having read a bit of House of Cards. That's very impressive to pick up on all that from only reading one game, if that's indeed what you did. He had a semi-strange post around EOD 1 when he felt "really, really awesome right now, even though we're losing." 

 

He has a couple of posts whick I find strange. He seems to be hinting at a wolf meta, even though he says this is his first game. It just pings me to have such a clear idea about how you would behave in a situation you haven't been in. 

 

I find myself leaning mafia on him. 

 

Dae - I have a hard time seeing anything but commentary in his posts. At the beginning I liked this and that he was observant about what was going on and such. He seems to be posting a lot of content, but when you read it there's really not much there. I wish by now that he would have made a much stronger stance one way or another. Wouldn't mind lynching him today.

 

Alannalynn - I haven't seen anything that really concerns me in her posts as of yet. Leaning town here.

 

Verb - I feel good about Verb too. Nothing that really pings me. Town lean.

 

Hallia has barely made any reads or contributed to anything yet. Scum lean.

 

Darthe - His lack of game solving may not be alignment indicative. I just don't like the constant prodding without trying to look deeper to see if there are wolves there. I am still leaning mafia though, but I won't get him lynched today. 

 

[unvote]

 

Heart - She reads 2/3 of the players scummy, which is a little strange, then again, as I'm writing this I realize that I also probably have too many scum reads, so maybe she's paranoid town too. Null for now.

 

Sili - Strange to me how he was town reading Darthe all of D1, and then all of a sudden scum read him. He seems to be veering towards reading him town now, so idk. I like his pushes on people though, and it seems to me like he's trying to solve the game, so I'm giving him a town lean.

 

Talya - I agree that the hammer does make her look bad. Not quite sure that makes her mafia though, just eager town. I'll put a null read for now, because everyone else reading her scummy is making me slightly paranoid. 

 

Notbob - I have said it before and I'll say it again. I'm having issues reading him. He DOES seem to be prodding people to make reads, but there's little follow up. Make it a null for now.

 

*sidenote: you do need a new nickname because it's a nightmare to ISO you. Reading PAGES worth of the thread before finding a post of yours to cut and paste the name from doesn't really do it for me!*

 

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Well Talya.. you ninja'd me. I was just about to post. Let's cross our fingers and hope you were right!

 

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TL;DR

 

Shad - scum lean

 

Dae - null/scum lean

 

Alannalynn - town lean

 

Verb - town lean.

 

Hallia - scum lean.

 

Darthe - scum lean

 

Heart - null

 

Sili - town lean

 

Talya - null

 

Notbob - null

 

 

 

 

Sili Quirrels Master

Sili Quirrels

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Just out of curiosity, NotBob

 

could be as simple as ah, hallia, and dae.

 

:ph34r: book it.

 

AH is prolly town...the others i could see.

 

Where did this read of yours come from (for me and Hallia)?

 

 

Hallia seemed to body you, but I don't think it's that easy anymore.

Sili Quirrels Master

Sili Quirrels

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You make some good points regarding Tal.

 

Town:

Laine

Shad

 

Probably Town:

Talya

Sili 

 

Null:

AH

Sooh

Darthe

 

Scum:

NotBob

 

That's what I've got at the moment.

y notbob?

Shad_ Spam Master

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Actually this whole Darthe going after one player in particular is what he did in House of Cards with me. He was town and wrong, but he did it almost exactly that way. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It means he's thinking a lot about what wolf him will do. I think he's overestimating himself, and it might be villagery.

Maybe. I saw you had feelers out on Darthe. What about him stands out to you?

 

he hasn't progressed his reads since early on. it's pretty tiltling.

 

I just ISOed him. There's not much in there to help us solve anything. No theories or anything, just a lot of finger pointing. I don't like that. I should think that Darthe was able to point out good things about his suspects and not just reiterate that he thinks they are wolves. The lack of solving leads me to believe Darthe is a wolf, and I have read him correctly before...

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

Sili - Strange to me how he was town reading Darthe all of D1, and then all of a sudden scum read him. He seems to be veering towards reading him town now, so idk. I like his pushes on people though, and it seems to me like he's trying to solve the game, so I'm giving him a town lean.

 

First post gives Darthe a sort of pass on his gameplay.  At this point most people seem to think Darthe is town or null.

Second post she "ISOs" Darthe in six minutes and decides to vote him.  This is when Sili starts to second guess him a little and it appears as though I might keep pressing him hard in day 2.

Third post she doesn't get why Sili went from a town read to a scum read on Darthe, but he did so right before she kind of sort of did the same thing.

A little opportunistic?

 

Also, I don't like that she's "fairly convinced Eldrick is a wolf" but gives no details.  I don't like that she "Wouldn't mind lynching [Dae] today" after Dae gets lynched.  I don't like that Dae was only her fourth scummiest and had a "null/scum lean" when she said this.

 

Coincidences in timing bug me with her.  She held off explaining Eldrick but continued to look at (presumably less) scummy people in her opinion, just long enough to not have to say anything about him.  She mentions that she'd support a Dae lynch right after Dae gets lynched, but just soon enough that it might have been a coincidence.  She only gets vocal about Darthe at a point in the game where it looks like others might.  She either did a full ISO on Darthe that convinced her to vote him in six minutes or she was just coincidentally doing one when Sili posted and she stopped to engage him.  I could easily give any one instance a pass, but...

 

So maybe Sooh figures at five votes and a scum mate's vote on the way she can toss herself into the majority opinion on Eldrick without having to give a reason.

Maybe Sooh writes an ISO that doesn't totally condemn that scum mate but holds off posting it to see what happens, and adjusts it to not look so favorable towards him when he gets lynched.

Maybe Sooh forgot to modify her pre-written tl;dr to reflect this.

And maybe Sooh thought she could help set up a Shad Darthe double mislynch but backed off as soon as the tide turned.

 

Lots of maybes, but they fit a pattern of game play.  What else do I have to go on?  I think it merits a second vote on her for now.  And if she flips wolf I can probably cross Darthe off my scum list.

Sooh Spam Master

Sooh

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Uhm.. oki...

 

My vote on Darthe was based on an ISO, and it was a fairly quick one because he had basically just made short posts and pushes. It didn't take very long to read, and so I voted to see if he had a reaction to it. 

 

About Dae I think you can see that I'm not leaning any particular way on him like I was with a bunch of other people, but I was reading people's cases on him and I could see their points, thus why I wouldn't mind a lynch there. 

 

I was also ninja'd by Talya with her hammer like I said in the post. I was seconds away from placing my vote, but when I was notified of a new post and saw it was a lynch I didn't. To be fair I would have probably voted Hallia or Shad. 

 

Shad has been looking very solving today though, so I'm liking recent development with him. 

Shad_ Spam Master

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Uhm.. oki...

 

My vote on Darthe was based on an ISO, and it was a fairly quick one because he had basically just made short posts and pushes. It didn't take very long to read, and so I voted to see if he had a reaction to it. 

 

About Dae I think you can see that I'm not leaning any particular way on him like I was with a bunch of other people, but I was reading people's cases on him and I could see their points, thus why I wouldn't mind a lynch there. 

 

I was also ninja'd by Talya with her hammer like I said in the post. I was seconds away from placing my vote, but when I was notified of a new post and saw it was a lynch I didn't. To be fair I would have probably voted Hallia or Shad. 

 

Shad has been looking very solving today though, so I'm liking recent development with him. 

 

Still think it's odd that you wondered why Sili started prodding Darthe considering you did the same around the same time.  Seems like an action you should have been able to appreciate, not find strange.

 

Definitely not ready to lynch you but I'll keep a pressure vote on.

Sili Quirrels Master

Sili Quirrels

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He approached dae the same way he approaches everyone else. It seems he genuinely doesn't care about this game, and having played a few times against Darthe, I think he would care more if he were mafia.

 

In my opinion anyway.

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