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Cory Caboose Spam Master

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As a world-renowned(?) and adored(?) vanilla player, I would say I doubt the wolves kill Darthe if Tress isn't a villager. If there's one thing I'm pretty okay at game-state wise it's weighing the validity of SHC and while there are situations where it can be a good play to SHC a wolf I really doubt this is one of those situations

Reassess at must lynch if she's still alive, but she's off the table for a long while

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Clovdyx Spam Master

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I could've sworn I posted that I liked Tress's reads. Sorry about that must not have hit post last night.

Anyway, you made it seem like his was the only peek on Tress before EOD, but it wasn't. He may be the only dead one who peeked her but that wasn't why.

 

I explained why I did it the way I did. There's nothing more I can say on the matter.

 

 

You're also going to have to explain the red.  Because that sounds like you know why he was killed (and that's bad).

Cory Caboose Spam Master

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It's really weird because I think Kay is a villager but I don't hate the fire that Clov is spitting right now

 

Clov you just might be the lunatic I'm looking for

 

But I may be crazy

Cass Master

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Is this a good or bad thing for me?

 

It's good for you regardless of your alignment

The real question is if it's good or bad for me  :laugh: 

 

 

lol. Doesn't help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, I'm asking because it just seemed strange to me that you would list your peek in green and then reveal it later, and it HAPPENED to be the person that Darthe peeked. I couldn't help but read it as a possible situation where you had to go check who his death spewed town and then use that person as your own peek.

 

Especially considering she was presumably null WITHOUT the peek factoring in.

Disregard the last. I'm too tired to figure out what you're getting at with the bold but I feel it might be important. Noting it for later.

First, his death doesn't spew anyone as town. Unless I read his flip wrong it said VT. That means he was providing cover and guessed at a peek. Esp since he did it practically at the start is the game.

 

Sorry but reading that again just got to me. Honestly not sure why you're pushing this angle.

 

 

It's called "Seer Hunt Clear".  It is NOT a flawless method - I will 100% concede that.  But here are the ONLY two scenarios:

 

1) Darthe "peeked" Tress.  Mafia knew Tress is town, so he might have been telling the truth.  They killed him because it was possible (in addition to the fact that he was being incredibly protown and would have been damn near impossible to mislynch).

2) Darthe "peeked" Tress.  Tress IS mafia, so they KNEW Darthe was lying.  They killed him anyways, despite knowing they had 0% chance of hitting the cop.

 

 

I get SHC.

What I don't get (or like) is that you're trying to discuss it before a Seer flips. The Seer cover is there to confuse the wolves until then - it's not for Town to use publicly to try and figure out their kills, IMO.

 

 

 

Now everyone stop posting please! You know it only makes me stay!

Cory Caboose Spam Master

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Discussing SHC is fine before the seer flip, it's basic kill analysis and has nothing to do with the actual seer peeks

 

It's really a very simple concept

Kaylee Spam Master

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I could've sworn I posted that I liked Tress's reads. Sorry about that must not have hit post last night.

Anyway, you made it seem like his was the only peek on Tress before EOD, but it wasn't. He may be the only dead one who peeked her but that wasn't why.

 

I explained why I did it the way I did. There's nothing more I can say on the matter.

 

You're also going to have to explain the red. Because that sounds like you know why he was killed (and that's bad).

Dammit Clov listen this time ok!

 

By the red I was saying yes he said he peeked her, but he wasn't the only one. That's it, plain and simple.

Clovdyx Spam Master

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I don't think you DO understand it if you don't use it before a seer flips.  I'm not talking about mechanical clears, via correct peeks.  What I'm saying is that you can either assume his peek was correct, or mafia chose to kill somebody they knew wasn't the cop.

 

Whether Darthe knew his peek was correct is literally meaningless.  Mafia knows everybody's alignment.  Anybody who fakepeeks mafia is less of a threat than somebody who (fake)peeks town.

Kaylee Spam Master

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As a world-renowned(?) and adored(?) vanilla player, I would say I doubt the wolves kill Darthe if Tress isn't a villager. If there's one thing I'm pretty okay at game-state wise it's weighing the validity of SHC and while there are situations where it can be a good play to SHC a wolf I really doubt this is one of those situations

 

Reassess at must lynch if she's still alive, but she's off the table for a long while

Wasn't saying she was a wolf. Was saying he didn't actually peek her so he know for sure at the time if she really was town or not.

 

Damn didn't think it was that hard to understand.

Kaylee Spam Master

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It's really weird because I think Kay is a villager but I don't hate the fire that Clov is spitting right now

 

Clov you just might be the lunatic I'm looking for

 

But I may be crazy

Kaylee is a villager.

Kaylee Spam Master

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As a world-renowned(?) and adored(?) vanilla player, I would say I doubt the wolves kill Darthe if Tress isn't a villager. If there's one thing I'm pretty okay at game-state wise it's weighing the validity of SHC and while there are situations where it can be a good play to SHC a wolf I really doubt this is one of those situations

 

Reassess at must lynch if she's still alive, but she's off the table for a long while

Wasn't saying she was a wolf. Was saying he didn't actually peek her so he know for sure at the time if she really was town or not.

 

Damn didn't think it was that hard to understand.

Also, i said i peeked her as town last night so why would I be implying she was a wolf?

Cory Caboose Spam Master

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He didn't, but the wolves didn't know that he didn't

It's just the basic concept of "the wolves are trying to kill the seer as soon as possible, since the seer is basically the village star role and can mechanically lock a game if left alive to d3-d4 and is basically their biggest threat"

 

Which is usually true with rare exceptions

Cory Caboose Spam Master

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I'm not saying you're saying she is a wolf

I am saying that SHC has to do with what the wolves are thinking when they kill someone

 

And I am not saying that "Clov is making a good case on why Kaylee is a wolf"

I am saying that "Clov seems to believe what he is saying regardless of who he is saying it to, which makes me think he is a villager"

Clovdyx Spam Master

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You could've just answered yourself...

 

I intend to, just can't yet.

 

Okay, Yates just said I'm good to do this, so here is everything from my PM's with Seph I've said IRT to Cory's meta.

 

(In response to the possibility of Cory making his early seer cover post as mafia)

 

"Cory is probably the second best mafia player (the alignment, not the game) on this site and knows his town meta exceptionally well.  That is to be annoyingly helpful.  He's good enough to make those kind of posts as mafia as a way of saying "I have a field of Towniness growing, look at how vast and plentiful it is!".  

 

The act, itself, WAS protown.  But given who it was, it's not clearing by any stretch.  I have no intentions of voting him right now."

 

(This was actually in regards to Cass, but references the tendency Cory and I have to disagree with each other early on)

 

"The readlist Cass just posted makes me think I'm reading a different game than her.  If it was Cory, that would be par for the course and he would be locktown.  But she's not Cory, so I'm concerned.  I'd like to give her some town points for reasonable skepticism on people (Darthe and me, mainly) but she has a lot of experience faking it from what I've seen."

 

(In regards to whether Cory would make that "Sorry I'm not dead guys" post as town)

 

"Yes.  What tipped me towards him being mafia in that game (far, far too late) was how completely over the top he was about getting NK'ed DURING THE NIGHT PHASE.  In hindsight, it was obvious he knew that he wasn't being shot.

 

I guess the best key I can give to reading those posts is look at how much dramatics does he mix with the ego?  More bravado, less emo, and I'm inclined to think town.  If he's just flailing like his death and the town's failure is inevitable, I would lean mafia.  But I'd also be lying if I said I'm confident on this meta read, either."

Kaylee Spam Master

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He didn't, but the wolves didn't know that he didn't

It's just the basic concept of "the wolves are trying to kill the seer as soon as possible, since the seer is basically the village star role and can mechanically lock a game if left alive to d3-d4 and is basically their biggest threat"

 

Which is usually true with rare exceptions

We're talking about apples and oranges.

 

Clov was saying I had to check to see who Darthe spewed before posting my peek. That wasn't the case. I've explained, but apparently I need to do it again. I wasn't going to say my peek right away because I liked AJ'S reasons for waiting till EOD. I said so D1 when he posted it. It was there for all reading the thread to see so it wasn't new.

 

I changed my mind when I found out my mom was in the hospital. Why? It's a bit distracting and I didn't want to forget.

 

Anyway i put my peek out there. Part of why I peeked her is two different people had peeked her before EOD 1. Made me wonder.

Clovdyx Spam Master

Clovdyx

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As a world-renowned(?) and adored(?) vanilla player, I would say I doubt the wolves kill Darthe if Tress isn't a villager. If there's one thing I'm pretty okay at game-state wise it's weighing the validity of SHC and while there are situations where it can be a good play to SHC a wolf I really doubt this is one of those situations

 

Reassess at must lynch if she's still alive, but she's off the table for a long while

Wasn't saying she was a wolf. Was saying he didn't actually peek her so he know for sure at the time if she really was town or not.

 

Damn didn't think it was that hard to understand.

Also, i said i peeked her as town last night so why would I be implying she was a wolf?

 

 

Nobody is insinuating you are?

Kaylee Spam Master

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I'm not saying you're saying she is a wolf

 

I am saying that SHC has to do with what the wolves are thinking when they kill someone

 

And I am not saying that "Clov is making a good case on why Kaylee is a wolf"

 

I am saying that "Clov seems to believe what he is saying regardless of who he is saying it to, which makes me think he is a villager"

Thanks clarifying.

Kaylee Spam Master

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As a world-renowned(?) and adored(?) vanilla player, I would say I doubt the wolves kill Darthe if Tress isn't a villager. If there's one thing I'm pretty okay at game-state wise it's weighing the validity of SHC and while there are situations where it can be a good play to SHC a wolf I really doubt this is one of those situations

 

Reassess at must lynch if she's still alive, but she's off the table for a long while

Wasn't saying she was a wolf. Was saying he didn't actually peek her so he know for sure at the time if she really was town or not.

 

Damn didn't think it was that hard to understand.

Also, i said i peeked her as town last night so why would I be implying she was a wolf?

Nobody is insinuating you are?

I read it as Cory saying that.

Cory Caboose Spam Master

Cory Caboose

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Clov was saying I had to check to see who Darthe spewed before posting my peek. That wasn't the case. I've explained, but apparently I need to do it again. I wasn't going to say my peek right away because I liked AJ'S reasons for waiting till EOD. I said so D1 when he posted it. It was there for all reading the thread to see so it wasn't new.

I changed my mind when I found out my mom was in the hospital. Why? It's a bit distracting and I didn't want to forget.

 

Oh okay

This looks fine to me

Cory Caboose Spam Master

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Good news boys I think we're going to win

 

Leelou*

Bewbs McGee  [Nynaeve+Hallia]

Songstress
Kaylee
Clovdyx
 

I honestly think we lynch everyone except these people, we win

 

I'm even pretty confident on Kay/Clov for dark greens, if I had more balls I'd move them to green

 

Now it's just the other five players we've got to order  :laugh:

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