House of Cards

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

Votecount 1.2

Clovdyx: Hallia
Sooh: Darthe, Bewbs McGee, dicetosser1,
Cass: Andrej, Corycurren
SongsTress: WWWwombat

Dicetosser1: Clovdyx

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline:

Adjusted for the votes I saw.

Sooh · May 27, 2015

I apparently lied earlier.. Don't have time to comment on everything that has been said now before I try to get some sleep, but seriously...

You're all tying me down to being a one note player. I'm actively trying to play better and make more pushed, but if the one push that I make is going to haunt me for the rest of the game you're all just going to scare me into being that player who hedges on her reads and posts long catch up posts because she's too damn scared to spar with you in the thread. I HAVE been posting at 2+2 lately, and I was feeling a bit braver in terms of going in and trying to push someone softly to make a read, but with my head fully and thoroughly bitten off I'm just going to stop doing that.

I just pretty much got discouraged from trying to get better at this. It's entirely possible that this is HORRIBLE villager game, but I have to try and find out what works for me.

I don't know much about what I would look like as a wolf in longer games, but I think my SK game might give an inclination.

and yes, I guess this is another woe is me post... or frustrated villager. Take your pick. Frustrated villager would be the correct one.

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

I think that sounds better than most of your posts, TBH. But let's put all of that aside. What push do you want to make? Who do you think that, based on the totality of the game, is most likely to be mafia right now?

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

God you sound like ATPG when he's pushed as a wolf

Gross

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

You're not invited to my birthday party anymore.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

I've asked her 3-4 times to try and power through and make reads and ignore the pressure on her and that if she did so I would reassess based on it

I generally have a good deal of clout and I'm pretty sure if I wanted to stop her lynch I could

AFAICT she refuses to do that and keeps hiding behind these sort of posts and I think it's alignment neutral at best and a bad precedent to let her coast for doing because I've seen wolves do it before and get far because people feel too bad to lynch them

Which is all funny because GUN TO HEAD I would guess she is a villager and I really DISLIKE lynching villagers

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

Like I'm trying here

I'm not perfect

But I'm trying, and I can't work with whatever she's putting out ATM

She has a day+ to improve

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

Crunkus me once, shame on you. Crunkus me twice, shame on me.

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

You can't Crunkus someone twice.

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

As per your request, Cory, regarding looking for the other scummies. If Sooh flips scum, and I'm pretty confident she will.... I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat in regards to Clov. These are a couple of his posts that stood out to me, that imo, could very well connect him to her.

[v]Cass[/v]

I don't understand most of those reads at all. I don't see how you can say Darthe has been defending Nyn at all, and I'm not sure you can make a fair case of "distancing" when he's actively trying to get pressure on the slot. Pushing him for seer cover makes no sense to me.

Where has Kaylee been pushy at all? Observant questioning, sure, but I don't see how you can argue that's anti-town.

Pretty self explanatory. Didn't like Cass' read list, dropped a vote. I think Sooh already had votes at this point.

Reading all of the Cass posts on page 20 right now.

-I don't hate her explanation on Darthe. Most of it seems to hinge around how he's pushing for seer cover, and his treatment of Nyn. I can kinda understand why somebody who hasn't played this style game a ton would find it odd. Her take on Darthe's red quote (about bad peeks spewing you as not the cop) is pretty accurate. Regarding him towards Nyn...I kinda see how Cass wouldn't look his progression on her (Nyn). Cass has poked Nyn for being "overly harsh". That's one of the things I expect from Nyn as town, but if Cass is as bad as reading Nyn as she claims, I could see that.

-Don't like the reasoning for Kaylee at all. Cass likes the question but points out how...straight forward?...Kaylee's being. I don't think that's scummy.

-I need to see some conclusions for post #400.

Seems to get Cass' stand about Darthe. Still doesn't like her take on Kaylee.

Sooh's question (bolded) seems awful to me. I'd be lying if I said the fact it's me probably doesn't contribute, but also because I thought I was one of the more vocal players. IIRC I was second in post count when I signed off last night. I obviously haven't done a whole hell of a lot TODAY, but she knows me well enough that I wouldn't expect that to surprise her. My schedule isn't some big mystery.

FoSes Sooh. prod but no vote. This bothers me a bit because.... I'd expect him to lean on her more but he says this, leaves it at that and then 25 minutes later....

[v]Dice[/v]

I'm not going to fight a lynch on anyone of Cass/Sooh/Dice/Leelou/Tress today. I would probably put Cass a half spot ahead of the rest of them, just because I liked the effort she gave in explaining her reads, and I think they make enough sense coming from her POV to not light them on fire.

Dice needs to post more, that's a fact. But pushing someone who's semi-inactive and has a total of 7 posts, half of which don't actually have game content? Seems a bit weird to me for a player like Clov. I mean he FoSed Cass.. seems to have a change of heart ., FoSed Sooh.... but when Cass' train doesn't take off he moves to the inactive. It almost looks like he's avoiding getting on Sooh's train, while FoSing her in the process. He also points out that he will not fight the lynch of X people. Which gives him a good opening to bus at a later time, if it comes down to that.

I honestly don't know. My instincts make me think probably not. I can't help shake the feeling that she would know better than to basically go on a "woe is me" campaign, and it doesn't seem all that removed from how I remember her acting in Darthe's game. She seemed kind of overwhelmed there so I could see that here, as well. It's more severe here, I guess?

Could easily be a smidgen of soft defending to shift the lynch elsewhere.

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

As far as her AtE goes. Clov is conveniently enough the one who's trying to plant the seeds that she would know better and all that BS. He could easily be coaching her right now to get out of the hole she dug herself into. I wouldn't be surprised.

Sooh · May 27, 2015

I am not refusing to make reads! I was making reads before if you didn't notice. I also find it hard to find wolves D1 as you know. I'm better at getting comfortable with villagers. Right now I am feeling like Nyn/Hallia probably is villager because of Nyn's saying a wolf team would coach me in a different direction in a game where there is no day communication among wolves.

Other than that I still feel good about Kaylee, Wombat and Verb like I said before. As for the rest I haven't decided yet. I also haven't decided on a vote. I would have to go back and read a bunch of ISOs, and with my exam coming up in less than 12 hours and a need to sleep that's not going to happen now.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

there is no day communication among wolves.

Nyn is clear to me now, fwiw

If anyone figures out why, please keep it to yourself for the time being

:dry:

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

I like everything about your posts Nyn, except I don't understand why you wouldn't expect me to push Dice. Like you said, he has seven posts, and none of them are particularly townie IMO. I can either push him and see how he responds or completely ignore him for now.

I think the former is a hell of a lot better option than the latter in a no hammer game. Sooh is pretty much guaranteed to be the D1 lynch, but no matter what happens, it's not going for another day. Parking my vote there and getting everybody else to move there is going to do more harm than it is good.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

I never understood reading ISOs, fwiw

Robs you of context

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

The mafia team can communicate with each other privately during the night phase and only the night phase. Please - don't even mention this in jest on Skype or FB.

I forgot about this. But it doesn't change much. 95% of what I said still applies. If Sooh is scum, Clov's behavior comes across like he's avoiding voting her, while nudging her a bit and soft defending her.

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

I am not refusing to make reads! I was making reads before if you didn't notice. I also find it hard to find wolves D1 as you know. I'm better at getting comfortable with villagers. Right now I am feeling like Nyn/Hallia probably is villager because of Nyn's saying a wolf team would coach me in a different direction in a game where there is no day communication among wolves.

Other than that I still feel good about Kaylee, Wombat and Verb like I said before. As for the rest I haven't decided yet. I also haven't decided on a vote. I would have to go back and read a bunch of ISOs, and with my exam coming up in less than 12 hours and a need to sleep that's not going to happen now.

there is no day communication among wolves.

Nyn is clear to me now, fwiw

If anyone figures out why, please keep it to yourself for the time being

I like everything about your posts Nyn, except I don't understand why you wouldn't expect me to push Dice. Like you said, he has seven posts, and none of them are particularly townie IMO. I can either push him and see how he responds or completely ignore him for now.

I think the former is a hell of a lot better option than the latter in a no hammer game. Sooh is pretty much guaranteed to be the D1 lynch, but no matter what happens, it's not going for another day. Parking my vote there and getting everybody else to move there is going to do more harm than it is good.

Well this is awkward.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

Other than that I still feel good about Kaylee, Wombat and Verb like I said before. As for the rest I haven't decided yet. I also haven't decided on a vote. I would have to go back and read a bunch of ISOs, and with my exam coming up in less than 12 hours and a need to sleep that's not going to happen now.

So in the last ~20 pages since your last reads post, you have kept up with the thread and 0 of your reads have changed

Okay

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

I like everything about your posts Nyn, except I don't understand why you wouldn't expect me to push Dice. Like you said, he has seven posts, and none of them are particularly townie IMO. I can either push him and see how he responds or completely ignore him for now.

I think the former is a hell of a lot better option than the latter in a no hammer game. Sooh is pretty much guaranteed to be the D1 lynch, but no matter what happens, it's not going for another day. Parking my vote there and getting everybody else to move there is going to do more harm than it is good.

It bothers me because you seem to be dancing around it. It would be fine if you were town reading her. But you're hedging on her. On one hand you're FoSing her, on the other you're defending her. She and Cass were to the most part the two players that stood out. You went with Cass. That didn't pan out and you shifted to the inactive. It just seems very convenient to me.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

The premise is that Nyn is a respectable mafia player who wouldn't attempt to derp herself clear, especially when she's already on her villager romping 24/7

She's blue, not a peek but blue regardless

Confidence level is like 99.99%

Sooh · May 27, 2015

I quickly read the thread, yes. Nothing about those three has changed for me. Nyn changed. As for the rest you're going to have to wait until tomorrow to see. I am officially off to bed. Good night everyone.

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

I like everything about your posts Nyn, except I don't understand why you wouldn't expect me to push Dice. Like you said, he has seven posts, and none of them are particularly townie IMO. I can either push him and see how he responds or completely ignore him for now.

I think the former is a hell of a lot better option than the latter in a no hammer game. Sooh is pretty much guaranteed to be the D1 lynch, but no matter what happens, it's not going for another day. Parking my vote there and getting everybody else to move there is going to do more harm than it is good.

It bothers me because you seem to be dancing around it. It would be fine if you were town reading her. But you're hedging on her. On one hand you're FoSing her, on the other you're defending her. She and Cass were to the most part the two players that stood out. You went with Cass. That didn't pan out and you shifted to the inactive. It just seems very convenient to me.

What do you mean it didn't pan out? The day has another 25 hours. I'm going to move my vote over that time - probably multiple times - and so should you.

Nynaeve · May 27, 2015

What do you mean it didn't pan out? The day has another 25 hours. I'm going to move my vote over that time - probably multiple times - and so should you.

It didn't pan out, ie Cass' train didn't take off.

And why should I change my vote if I'm confident that I'm voting a scummy?

Clovdyx · May 27, 2015

Because if you're wrong, you're lynching town. And if you're right, you're wasting half the day while giving her teammates the opportunity to hop on the wagon to avoid actually contributing.

Cory Caboose · May 27, 2015

Through ~20

Leelou*

Nynaeve/Hallia

Darthe

Andrej

Kaylee

Tress

Clov

Wombat

Verb

Dice

Cass

Sooh

I would guess there are 2 wolves in the bottom three and 1 wolf in the greys ATM or something of that sort

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