A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Eldrick4221]

Lol. I did it again. Mid post, I "show new post" and reply to it.

 

As I was saying...

 

Blah. I forgot to vote in the format I wanted to.

 

Vote: Verb

Final Answer.

[Yates]

Also for the sake of protecting claimed JoAT role [v]Verb[/v]

I was kind of hoping for more interactions before people voted. There's something I wanted to tell you about Pizza's claim.

 

 

Ready?

 

 

Pizza just claimed VT.

 

 

If you are voting for Verb today, do it with the knowledge that you are saving either a VT [most likely] or scum [less likely].

 

 

Good luck with that.

[Yates]

I just got home from a lovely movie date...

Pitch Perfect 2.

[Talya]

Having slept on this, I think that Pizza is likely telling the truth. I'm leaning towards Verb also being town. (I don't particularly like this gladiator role, but that'a a personal thing). Out of the two I would prefer to keep Pizza around. I like his reasoning and on a side note doesn't do walls of text!).

 

Just seen Yates post - @ Yates, I have just read his posts and I didn't see that, I thought he was saying he could be, not that he was. At the moment I still stand by above. 

 

I will have a look at AJ's post. Once I have had a look I will do one of those list thingies

[Alot]

I am not going to be around at end of day due to beach with no signal. Caught up through Pizza's claim. Going to vote verbal unless someone tells me in the nezt 10 minutes why i shouldnt and i agree woth said person

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yates, I don't know what you're doing, buddy, but I'm not going to stop you this time.

[Yates]

As for this game I think your claim reads more VT than PR. You're still trying to draw a NK, which, as scum would not be ideal in a multiball game.

WINNER!

 

This doesn't make you Town - AT ALL - but you are the first person to read Pizza right in terms of this specific play, imo.

[Yates]

Yates, I don't know what you're doing, buddy, but I'm not going to stop you this time.

See post to Sooh above. I appreciate the effort. I just want everyone voting to know what's up. And should you win this duel? I am going to LMAO when scum waste a shot on a VT. That's what I'm doing. I'm setting myself up to have a GOOD laugh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think you believe my claim and are trying to get them to not shoot me.

 

But please, by all means. I appreciate the seer cover, once again.

 

You give me the same warm feelings you did in Champs.

[Yates]

Ok, so. Tinfoil that came to me while working.

 

Verb is a 3rd party, who's wincon is to win x gladiator matches.

SMFH

 

Why? Just... why?

[Yates]

Guys, Andrej is a wolf.

FACT.

[Alot]

[V]Verbal[/v]

[Yates]

Shaming villagers is not finding wolves, and I mean that in every sense.

Well... this isn't true at all. Reference: Banks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Shaming villagers is not finding wolves, and I mean that in every sense.

Well... this isn't true at all. Reference: Banks.

 

I think Banks did a lot more. He was very interrogative and asked solving questions, not just fluffy ones.

 

We all kind of took a poop on villagers who weren't active enough for our tastes, kind of a reflex. It's a bad one though.

 

Building a team means finding the parts of your team that aren't already functioning well together and making it happen anyway.

 

That is how village wins.

 

You don't even need to personally find all the scums. Just build your team up and they become a wall of villagers.

[Leelou]

My gut tells me to keep Verbal around. I got a strong sense of him being town yesterday, which is why I defended him as much as I did. I actually really don't like that Pizza has been revealing but also being vague. I'm not saying you are scummy, I just would think that in this situation you'd be more definitive and forthcoming. The maybe I'm this, maybe I'm not is meh. 

 

[v]Pizza[/v] x2

[Eldrick4221]

So I gave it some more thought, and it's insane to clear krak and thane on an unproven seer's sayso alone. I don't know what I was thinking.

 

I'm also putting Leelou into slight town. I liked how she helped me sort out to logic of my thoughts on Verb.

 

Not liking how Laine took it at face value, or how Tina ran with it. My main point was that Verb was inconsistent. I realize that now. That doesn't mean scummy, and that's a weak thing to try to stick on someone.

[Eldrick4221]

I actually did think he was forthcoming. Not sure how you're getting vague.

[Eldrick4221]

Still getting town vibes from Thane's recent play. Didn't like the self vote, but I read it as annoyance more than anything else.

 

I'm putting krak back into my "Need to ISO" pile.

[Yates]

[v]Pizza[/v] x2

You little minx...

 

[v]Verb[/v]

[Talya]

AJ: Day 1

 

- Starts off with fluuf and spam and questioning Sili wehy he took his vote off Seph.

 

- Grunts a lot to begin with!

 

- Darthe: "This is a multiball and there COULD be Indy's to which AJ replies "Could? I would say probably" so is AJ an Indy! odd comment to come back with

 

- Likes sili's posts. Asks EP if he thinks Seph is simply lying, then accuses him of piggy backing Sili's post regarding Laine (Alannalynn?)

 

- sucks up to Pizza when he arrives - couldn't wait to play with him etc. Asks Pizza why he thinks sooh seemed villagery

 

-  Agrees with Manbat Sili villager, and that Seph flips town more often than wolfie. (I didn't actually like Manbat's post, but that is for another time) Just to clarify Manbat=Monstr+Cass?)

 

- thinks Seph and EP's interaction is going no where, Thinks EP decided Sph scum, he thinks Seph genuine over missing something. 

 

- Likes Dice's post

 

-  Krak, very villagery in his opener and discussion. From his experiance Krak tapers off as things get heavier when he is a wolf. (Laying a trail for if he wants to accuse Krak later?) 

 

- questions tina for her mistake, contemplates voting for her, and doesn't find Zander Wolfish - VOTES TINA

 

- Says EP villager

 

- Starting to become really suspicious of Pizza

 

- No opnion of Alot but disliked his post as "unhelpful mentality"

 

-  VOTES YATES saying he has been rolling the idea for most of the day

 

- then the argument, Accuses Yates of voting Alot (read above, he already had bad vibes from Alot), for not doing anything. - double standards here, he is accusing Yates of voting Alot when Alot hasn't really done much, where as he has no opnion of Alot, but disliked his first post)

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think it was.

The part I liked especially was him saying that it's weird for Seph to focus on him solely for something others are clearly doing or have admitted to be doing. Pretty townie process imo because to me it shows where he's coming from regarding accusations towards him. I don't necessarily agree with his conclusion because from my single game experience with Seph he stuck his foot in his mouth early and often and caught heat for it, but I do think it looks good for EP.

Likewise it's something I look forward to seeing progress.

 

The above looks like he is sitting and watching something to see if he can use something later rather than push things himself, I have got that impression through most of the first day. 

 

Damn, I'm still slogging through where I left off around pg24 earlier today. I will probably pull some quotes for context at a later point but now I'll just summarize my general feelings.

I have Pizzaguy starting to trend down. I don't know if I would have said he was ever really high on my list but I am slowly starting to become suspicious of him. His posts sound good and villagery at face value talking about his wagon theory and reading Sooh, but generally I'm not getting a sense he's strongly invested here. I think his suspects have been sort of weak and his last vote switch to Eldrick in particular seems a bit lazy. He seems to be playing more self-centrically to me and not really extending himself.

I liked Tayla's involvement earlier. I don't agree with her choice of vote but I think that could just be a case of her not being familiar with Sili. She made another point in regards to Manbat that I think supports and emphasizes this (things striking her as off due to lack of experience with said players) but overall I think she came across villagery.

Tina laying out her thought process on why she thought Zander was suspicious was helpful. I'm not going to recant my statement about how voting Zander seemed to me like an easy target at the time but I do like that she made the effort to make it clear why she did. Still, I think the point was valid and with the whole misquote thing I may have reacted in a knee-jerk fashion. Still seems weird to me but maybe she just wasn't paying attention. To quote Leelou I probably jumped the gun there.

[unvote]

Hmm, what else. Verb and Leelou both strike me as villagery. I would prefer Verb to just read the thread instead of floating around in real time asking questions he could probably find the answer to himself but I don't think that sort of aloofness is scummy for him. Leelou seems to actually be analysing people while going through her banter with Verb so I think that's probably a good sign.

EP softing his role was unfortunate seeing as how I was content rolling with both him and Zander as greens moving forward, but it what it is. I do think, however, that with this knowledge on the table it could be fruitful to look back at those interacting with them the most.

That's all I can really readily bring to mind atm but I am going to look back regardless to see if I forgot anything while trying to stay current with events now.

 

Pushing on Pizza here, I don't think at this point he had said that Pizza was going up in his suspicion. The second bolded bit on Pizza being self centred - someone else has used this against Pizza, could be a turn of phase or it could be from talk also in a QT. The other one was Sooh. 

 

also, I am not comfortable with someone being so confident about me. I think he says something else later on. He doesn't know, never played in a game with him and at that point I hadn't said too much. Later on I think he says something about clear posts - that I know is rubbish, I am the most unarticulate person going especially in mafia. I don't like flattery like that. Reading it again grates. 

 

 

 

 

Let's dance then, Dusty.

Okay but I should warn you; I've seen "

" at least once.

It struck me as careless and kind of sloppy. Like I said, if she was going to use someone else's words to +1 and then vote, I would think she would've chosen the right ones. She basically HAD to correct herself in that situation so I don't think that point really stands. Not all scum are going to be super clean and sharp, and to me my initial reaction was that she legit bumbled trying to jump on an easy wagon. The fact that I had for some reason imagined more votes being on Zander due to the amount he'd been mentioned didn't help.

So paint me a picture. If Tina Scum is hopping on a wagon for bad reasons, why does she HAVE to correct herself? Look at the timing, if nothing else:She makes her post an vote at 05:15 here.If you look at that post you will see that she says she likes a post and agrees with a post that makes no sense in context. And that's in a multiquote post. I think the fact this was a multiquote post is why I'm more inclined to believe it was a quote fail/copypasta error than not.She looks at her post after hitting submit. See's the fail. And less than 2 minutes later says "oops, quoted the wrong Sili post."And two minutes later she posts her corrected post at 05:20 here.So some items of note:1. *IT'S 05:20 IN THE AM!* Who would even be awake at that time as a potential scum partner to tell Tina she messed up? [as it turns out - only Sili and maybe Eldrick]2. There were ZERO POSTS between her vote post, her oops post, and her correction post. Those three posts were consecutive. It's not like someone responded in thread to apply pressure or direct attention to her weak quote. She quite OBVIOUSLY recognized it on her own.Could Tina be scum? I guess. But it wont be because she fumbled a Sili quote. And at least you know she wouldn't be with Zander or - likely - Sili.I think the better indicator for me is post 550. Even if she's ultimately wrong about Zander, that is such a villagery process that I don't know she duplicates that as scum. The only fly in the ointment, here, is something I alluded to earlier. In multiball scum ALSO have to find scum. So I *guess* this could be scum team A Tina following a village process to try to find scum team B Zander - but I don't *think* it is. I just don't.

I think this discussion is sort of pointless at this junction because I'm not particularly interested in Tina any longer but I will entertain you nonetheless and respond.

I get the impression here that you're saying because Tina corrected herself that it makes her look more townie? The fact that she corrected herself was never a part of my opinion on it. Like I said, she pretty much HAD to in that case or else face some serious wtf moments from people when they read it. Her correcting herself is entirely null imo. Everyone probably or at least should proof read their posts. She caught the mistake and fixed it immediately, I'm cool with that but it's not at all alignment indicative.

As far as her later development goes, yeah we agree on that. The rest is not stuff I'm looking to get into until a later stage of the game so your speculation there is a bit unnecessary to me.

Is that you "solving" again?

 

 

He doesn't want to discuss his vote on Tina, because he isn't interested in it. Sounds like he tried to get a vote going on someone that was weak and couldn't just say that. 

 

Overall  - He judges very much on first posts, saying if he thinks they are villagery or not, and then starts to lay trails (see Krak for one thing), so that in the furture he can say that he has behaved in a way he thinks is wolfie looking to back up his pushes. He seems a little erratic and jumping on and off people.

 

At this point I'm leaning towards anti town/wolfie

 

Need to do the next bit

[Talya]

I'm going to carry on with AJ for the moment, I see defending of Seph and a link to Sooh at present. but not sure how much time we have left. So to get my vote out there I will. 

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

sorry mate, but for me that is the right choice for today. 

[Niniel]

Eldrick - I didn't just ran with your case on Verb. I did my own after reading back.

 

How long time until dl?

[Niniel]

Ok, less than two hours I think.

[Talya]

Part 2, and my eyes are hurting. 

 

After the Yates 1.0 lynch I feel AJ changes his posting. seemed to take a step back. Less long posts and few more fluffy ones to beginn with. 

 

- he does think that he is going to be dead in the morning, from a vig "out for his blood" 

 

- he talks about him and Yates 1.0. Agrees with Leelou and that he also didn't believe the claim. 

 

- thinks that Krak's vote on him is not unexpected, but doesn't like the "tone" reason. 

 

- Questions EP about not being in other games, asks Cass and Monstr how much they talk. Says he has heard things about "Firebird" EP and he didn't have a hard time figuring him out early on. 

 

I've been reading back from around pg 65 and I think there is some good content there.

I like Eldrick, Alot and Tayla's posts specifically.

I don't like Krak's posts on pg 66.

Come fight me Krak. Don't think I'm going to let you vote me and call me scum and go uncontested with your "tone" read. Make me believe you're actually suspicious or I will assume you are a wolf hoping you'd be able to stream roll me from what happened on D1.

 

he seems to be going for Krak here, but not voting him, he wants a fight with him

 

For one Eldrick is playing a world's difference than I have seen him before. I wouldn't expect you to know this, but it's an important detail nonetheless. In our last game together I was a villager and he was a wolf and I had him pretty firmly pegged D1. What I like about his posts is that he's being vocal with his ideas but not in a way I feel is intentionally manipulative. I also like that he is showing progression and a willingness to adjust his mindset when someone brings up a valid point contesting his. I didn't see this type of fluidity in his thought process in our last contest together. The interactions between him and Alot are a good example and both strike me as villagery in their discussion.

I have actually liked Tayla since her game entrance. I haven't played with her before but I get the sense she conveys her thoughts in a clear and confident manner.

Krak is a bit of a volume tell. He came out okay D1 and engaged EP and Sili over some stuff I don't really remember exactly without looking back. Then he goes absent for the entiriety of D1 only to reappear again with some random posts before Day break. I don't see much of contribution on his end and frankly I feel like his case towards me is weak, but I'm willing to concede that could just be me getting my panties in a bunch.

 

Odd post above, he said Krak hasn't been around much and feels Kraks case on him is weak, then concedes it is because he could be getting his panties in a bunch!?

 

[v]Krak[/v] for now.

 

I definitely don't mind seeing a wagon here and maybe now he'll come in and actually support his stances.

 

I've got to run again but I should have a bit of time when class is done before work this afternoon. See you guys then

 

he didn't vote for him before, but now that someone else has, he jumps on and wants to see a wagon there. 

 

I'm late for my morning shift and I won't be here for DL.

I powered skimmed the last few pages (which is why I'm running late now lol). I'm going to keep my vote where it is, the Verb wagon is bad imo. I waited around for a bit last night to see what sort of analysis would be made but not surprisingly none really came.

Yates I can't decide if you're just testing Verb here or legit trying to push a case from a dead townie after the fact when you could've just as easily backed it before he died. If it's the latter I don't think that looks so good for you.

The way these votes are starting to slip on has me concerned.

Krak still hasn't returned from going underground after he voted me so I see no reason to assume he's not a wolf here.

I've got to run now. GLGL

 

doesn't like Verb's bandwagon, but happy with Krak's as still voting him

 

Luckily for you guys, I'm off work and have a few hours at school where I can use a desktop versus having to play strictly from my phone.

I'm probably lynching Pizza here barring some sort of claim on his part.

 

Said he is going for Pizza unless he claims something. soft push for a claim, but with the choice between Verb and Pizza, something was bound to happen. 

 

 

 

I'm starting to think you just want to keep Pizza around because you like him, which is cool and all, but not really pertinent to the game.

 

I certainly don't like Verb. I think that much is clear. I've never liked that guy. He refuses to make important posts sticky.

Seriously, this has nothing to do with liking people/not liking people on a personal level. This is a game and I'm treating it like a game. If this is a simple game of High/Low? Verb is holding a 6 of Clubs. That 6 of clubs is based on his claim and his game play. I don't know what Pizza is holding. I'm guessing it's higher than a 6, though.

If Pizza doesn't come in here and make an impressive Town post? I'm fine with lynching him. But one thing he should not need to do in order to avoid this lynch is be forced to claim. That's foolish.

 

Okay. I'm not sure why you'd assume that though.

 

Pizza strikes me as someone who can make impressive 'Town' posts as either alignment. I'm reading through his ISO now and trying to decide how I feel about some of his more lengthy theoretical type posts. And I agree that he shouldn't be forced to claim to save himself, but in all reality, it's VERY likely that is what it is going to have to be considering we have to pick one or the other.

 

 

now he is saying he shouldn't claim to save himself. he has just read through his posts and knows he made a soft claim, so by encouraging him not to claim makes it easier for him to vote him and his wolf buddies. 

 

- He supports Hallia at some point as well, likes how she is playing with more bite and that she is usually amicable and fluffy in her interactions when wolfie  - to be honest I think quite a few of her posts have been fluffy and other times she does bite back, but only when people question her or vote her, so very defensive. 

[Niniel]

I started to read Pizza´s iso but I will not have the time to finish it. What made me suspicious of him earlier was that he seemed so self centred, which I took as defending himself in advance. Now, that might just be a playstyle that he uses. Some people likes to be in the middle of things and judge people on how they interact with themselves. 

 

I´m too tired to understand all the back and forth in his posts today. I will just go on his claim and go back and read his posts tonight or tomorrow. 

 

 

[v] Verbal [/v]