A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote

 

Vote: Verbal

 

I expected more outrage if I was incorrect about you. You act as though you know I'm a villager here.

 

I stayed awake after I saw you came online.

 

1) I'll ask you politely, make your defense.

 

2) Telling Yates to shut it is a bad look, brother.

[Thane Vakarian]

i find it amusing that Leelou once again reacts the same way as Tina, with nearly the exact same wording... interesting. 

[Leelou]

i find it amusing that Leelou once again reacts the same way as Tina, with nearly the exact same wording... interesting. 

 

Well considering you are voting me with nothing to actually address, what do you expect me to say? 

[Thane Vakarian]

what do you think about the 'case' on Verbal, Leelou?

[Niniel]

So on to Sooh. 

 

Starts with two joke votes on Pizza and Eldrick.

Votes Yates because his tone is off and because he is posting fluff. In the same post she says that Sili, AJ, Eldrick, Tress and I am town. Later she adds EP to the town pile. 

She agreed with Tress that Dice looks less townie than she has expected. Doesn´t continue with this afterwards.

She votes Seph because she expected him to be more involved. Now I haven´t read his posts very thouroughly but looking at the postcount he has a lot more posts than she has. 

She asks why Hally is a lynch candidate.

She asks why Laine is invisible. (A word that I got stuck on since it seemed weird. For a while I thought it could be some kind of signal but reading Laine´s posts I don´t think so.)

Then she asks the famous question if Sili is voting or not. For what it´s worth. I don´t think she would do that in thread and then end day. Why not ask in the qt? And as she says herself, she actually voted Seph (the only counter wagon). 

She likes Sili´s post about Thane being mafia. 

 

 

Well, that´s it. I don´t like her reasons for voting. It sounds like "easy" votes - tone off, fluff, not involved more etc. At the same time she doesn´t continue with her suspiciouns of Dice. 

 

She is not a strong mafia candidate but if Dice is mafia I will go back and take a new look at her. 

[Leelou]

what do you think about the 'case' on Verbal, Leelou?

 

I'm responding to it right now, but I don't really like it that much. 

[Thane Vakarian]

alright, ooking forward to your post about it.

[Verbal32]

unvote

 

Vote: Verbal

 

I expected more outrage if I was incorrect about you. You act as though you know I'm a villager here.

 

I stayed awake after I saw you came online.

 

1) I'll ask you politely, make your defense.

 

2) Telling Yates to shut it is a bad look, brother.

 

For me, that was outrage.  I'm not a "rager", so heavy disdain is the most you'll get.  I don't know you're a villager - I never said as much.  I said I'm leaning town on you.  I still am, but I think you're using incorrect means to come to your conclusion.

 

Forget what Sili said.  Let's focus for a minute on what you said.  Is there more to "Verbal is a wolf because he probably read the thread when he said Tina voted him"??

 

You breadcrumbed this a while back with your "Verbal is either a gut read or my peek".  I know I'm not your peek, so please explain the gut read.  I can refute your not knowing meta easily - I already did that.  But now you are voting me and I'm not sure what else this gut read entails.

[Thane Vakarian]

*looking

[Leelou]

alright, ooking forward to your post about it.

 

And I'm looking forward to you actually giving reasons for voting me. OOOOH 

[Alot]

Agreed, seems pretty clear to me Tina is protecting Leelou.  But I'm not liking Verbal's defense either.  "Inconsistencies are normal for town".  As if that is what was being said.  Inconsistencies in reads is definitely more of a scum tell than a town tell because scum have to make reads they know are false, and have to make them to fit a situation, and forget they had opposing reads earlier with no explanation for the changeover.  Saying it's normal for town, who are supposed to be able to show the process of their reads...

[Verbal32]

@Yates-

 

Dude, Sili's case was bad.  I was pushing you because I thought your interaction with AJ was potentially w/w.  I said as much.

 

Then you made the mixup of Zander & seph.  Pay attention everyone, this is why my thought process is town:  I started out just wanting to know where your read of seph went.  It was lock wolf, and then......I don't know.  I wanted to know, so I asked.  You kept coming back about Zander and appeared to be either ignoring or distracting from my question on seph.  So I pressed more.  Then I became obvious about it and pushed hard and used all caps.  Up until this point, I was prepared to lynch you through your claim.  Completely.

 

Then you admitted the mistake and I unvoted.  To all the folks reading along - yes, that convinced me he was town.  I got the distinct impression that he hadn't realized the point I was trying to make, and then when he did....he corrected himself.  So I unvoted on the stance of me not willing to lynch an un-cc'ed PR.  The difference is that I now believed him, when I didn't prior to his last couple of posts in that interaction.

 

 

Does that help explain it?  If not, ask more questions.

[Yates]

If I was inconsistent, since when is that a scumtell?

You and Leelou both pushed me Yates 1.0 for being inconsistent. Point = moot.

[Verbal32]

Agreed, seems pretty clear to me Tina is protecting Leelou.  But I'm not liking Verbal's defense either.  "Inconsistencies are normal for town".  As if that is what was being said.  Inconsistencies in reads is definitely more of a scum tell than a town tell because scum have to make reads they know are false, and have to make them to fit a situation, and forget they had opposing reads earlier with no explanation for the changeover.  Saying it's normal for town, who are supposed to be able to show the process of their reads...

 

Dude, then explain Yates 1.0 with the Zander/seph mixup.  I just went through that above.  Yates 1.0 was town.  I disagree on it being a scum tell.  Scum are more careful with how they present themselves.  Which is why I immediately unvoted when Yates 1.0 admitted it and didn't try to defend the mistake.  That's all I wanted to see.

[Verbal32]

 

If I was inconsistent, since when is that a scumtell?

You and Leelou both pushed me Yates 1.0 for being inconsistent. Point = moot.

 

 

Can you just read my post to you above?

[Leelou]

Okay...breaking this down and addressing the parts I have problems with: 

 

 

How did Verb know Tina was going to vote him without reading the thread?

Because she does this all the time. 

 

I didn't like how Verb started off, with his nonchalant attitude and skimming. It wasn't scummy, but it was annoying. I'm glad it didn't continue.

Not alignment indicative for Verb. Game started over a weekend and there were a ton of posts. He did catch up and as you said isn't scummy, so why is it in your case? 

 

 

Verb thinks the back and forth between AJ and Yates 1.0 is w/w. Different team members scumhunting each other. When Yates summarizes the interactions, and asks if he is misconstruing it, Verb says that he is being accurate. Being he also believes that they are both wolves, this comes off to me as a townie helping mafia build a case on another mafia.

So Verb is townie for this interaction? 

 

Verb asks for Leelou to give her opinion on his posts @ Yates, because he trusts her. Why should he trust her, if he doesn't know her alignment?

Because he was town reading me at the time. If you haven't noticed him pound on his chest numerous times yet that he is the Lauren reader, then I dunno what to tell you. At that moment in time, he trusted me. 

 

 

I'm perfectly ok with him replying who he would want to lynch as "probably seph" and not voting yet. He was asked a question, not building a case and committing a vote.

 

I agree with Verb, about Krak townreading everyone atm. If you don't have time to sort them, you have them in null, not town. Point against Krak. Null for Verb here, as feeling this way doesn't affect alignment.

So, another couple null/townish points. 

 

I have to quote this part, to show the blatant inconsistency:

 

 

Why do you feel good about Sooh being village?

 

There's enough interest in voting for her that I think her team would be bussing her at this point.

 

I've spoken to her for a very long time in a short time frame before the game on a personal basis and there's nothing out of character for her in this entire game.

 

 

The bold helps, btw, but still not enough to mark her town (which you're obviously doing).

 

Bolding the part that mentions 'her team would be bussing her', and then claiming that he is 'obviously marking her as town'. I haven't heard town referred to as a team, in reference to bussing. This feels really off.

 

You misunderstood that and Verbal addressed it. 

 

I've already addressed my view on the feeling of Sooh and Leelou not being w/w. What you're saying is they can't both be w, but you have already discussed the idea of the teams 'scumhunting' each other. Not happy with the inconsistency. They could both be wolves. Implying that is isn't an option is bad.

 

He means we couldn't be on a team together. 

[Yates]

 

 

Any attempt to case that is bad and you should feel bad.

Don't be a jerk. He doesn't know meta. Just explain it and move on.

 

 

Shut it.  You're a jerk all the time with your tone, so don't lecture me on it.  If he takes offense, I'll apologize after the game......but saying I'm scum without any meta on me or this site for the reason he gave is atrocious.

 

Yeah but I'm a jerk.  

 

Pizza is a sweet, kind, gentle, loving, sensitive soul.

 

And he's new to our site.  So be a gentleman already.  Douche.  

[Leelou]

I actually find it really convenient that Yates latched onto Sili's case on Verb. He didn't do much of anything coming back before. Not saying this makes him scum, but seeing everyone jump over to Verb is unsettling. 

[Yates]

@Yates-

 

Dude, Sili's case was bad.

Was it? I didn't even read it, tbh. But he used a lot of words. And he seemed to believe it. So I think I'm going to support flipped Town over an unknown entity that was mean to me and Pizza.

[Leelou]

YATES 

 

 

Sili is great and all but him flipping town doesn't mean his read was correct. You know this.

No. But him being right means he's correct.

Sili even left off Verb trying to intimidate Leelou out of his solve, which was mighty white of him. Leelou would need to confirm that this intimidation tactic is something he uses on her as a wolf.

 

 

I'll answer this after what you tell me you think of my alignment this game. 

 

 

Did you answer this yet? 

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

Any attempt to case that is bad and you should feel bad.

Don't be a jerk. He doesn't know meta. Just explain it and move on.

 

 

Shut it.  You're a jerk all the time with your tone, so don't lecture me on it.  If he takes offense, I'll apologize after the game......but saying I'm scum without any meta on me or this site for the reason he gave is atrocious.

 

Yeah but I'm a jerk.  

 

Pizza is a sweet, kind, gentle, loving, sensitive soul.

 

And he's new to our site.  So be a gentleman already.  Douche.  

 

 

Can you maybe stop fooling around and read my posts to you?

[Leelou]

 

@Yates-

 

Dude, Sili's case was bad.

Was it? I didn't even read it, tbh. But he used a lot of words. And he seemed to believe it. So I think I'm going to support flipped Town over an unknown entity that was mean to me and Pizza.

 

 

Then how do you know Sili didn't use Verb's push on me in his case? 

[Yates]

[i seriously don't know how long I can keep this up. It's so hard to not try hard...]

[Yates]

Then how do you know Sili didn't use Verb's push on me in his case?

I guessed?

[Leelou]

 

Then how do you know Sili didn't use Verb's push on me in his case?

I guessed?

 

 

You're ignoring my other post.