A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

take a look at my list

 

Why do you have a dead scum in your list? 

 

because she was already on my list, no reason to take her off and you can go back and look at her interactions and see where she sided in debates.

 

 

Umm...yeah actually there is. You could move her to the deceased pile. 

 

why do you want her not shown on my list? this is a really silly debate, and is edging you back down to possible mafia

[Leelou]

Yates? 

[Yates]

Yates?

I got this...

 

why do you want her not shown on my list? this is a really silly debate, and is edging you back down to possible mafia

You are literally the ONLY PERSON who thinks this.

[Yates]

EBWOP: Who thinks Leelou could be mafia, that is...

[Leelou]

 

Yates?

I got this...

 

 

Thank you for knowing what I was asking for. 

[Leelou]

All of Tina's reads lists (mostly for my reference later): 

 

I´m on page 43 and I´m not sure that I will be able to read much more. I´ve had a bad day and I fear that I might get a migrain. 

 

Some thoughts:

 

* I didn´t comment on Cory´s clearing me to clear myself. It was just a statement. Cory is an expert at reading me. Now, he is good as clearing me when he is mafia as well so it doesn´t tell me anything about Sooh´s alignment. And that´s enough about Cory. I will focus on Sooh, since she is the one playing the game. Can´t say that I have a read on her yet. I feel that she hasn´t been involved much.

 

* It´s always nice to have someone backing me up. At the same time it makes me suspicious. I´m not sure that I´m suspicious of Yates for defending me. It´s more that he brings back the focus on me and Zander even though it´s over. I unvoted after EP´s soft claim. AJ unvoted me. So why does Yates bring it up over and over? From memory, this is what Yates does when he is mafia. Trying to direct the conversation to something he wants to talk about. I need to read more tomorrow to see if I can get a better read of him. 

 

* AJ and Leelou looks townie. AJ is pointing out things that others (mainly Yates) is not doing. That is not something that I think of much. I react more to what people are doing. It shows that he wants to go deeper. I liked Leelou´s list. Even if it´s not something definitive, it shows that she is willing to show her thoughts. I see this as town Leelou. 

 

* I was focused on Zander so I´m kind of lost at who I think is mafia. (Yates might be.) I need to read more tomorrow. 

 

 

I´ll try to read the last pages and we´ll see if I manage to do so.

 

 

I´ve again read the thread a little now and then during the day on my phone. This is the first time that I have computer access. I really need a day where I can sit down and re-read stuff. Reading a little here and a little there is just confusing. Here are some random thoughts or things that caught my eye.

 

1. Hally - it felt weird that she jumped in to the game to vote someone when she hadn´t read up. Does she usually do that? It looked pretty much like a bandwagon vote. 

2. Sooh - I still don´t have a clue. She has posted some but nothing has stuck in my mind. She is one of those that I would like to iso. Others have mentioned her. If anyone would like to restate why, I wiould be grateful. 
3. Alot - haven´t been here alot. 
4. Alanna Aiel Heart - Welcome! She hasn´t posted anything so far. 
5. Dice - where is he? He voted me yesterday and then unvoted when others did. That is all that I can remember. Nr 2 to iso.
6. John Snow Yates 2.0 - So Yates 1.0 was apparently town. That doesn´t say much about Yates 2.0. I´ve nothing to say about  the new Yates. 
7. Thane - I really understand why you are frustrated, Thane. It´s tough to keep up with a big game like this. Tells me nothing about his alignment. It looks very easy to vote him. 
8. Verbal - yesterday I got the feeling that he was protecting Yates. I have seen Verbal do that with mafia buddies before. Take the lead (vocally) in voting someone. He gets people to join but when he then find reasons to unvote people follow him on that too and then the other person are sort of cleard. It´s hard for me to explain more than that. Anyway, now Yates turned up town so it´s obvious that Verbal didn´t try to save him because they are mafia together. I´m not sure about him though. There is something, and I don´t think it´s just my usual suspicion that I have every game. Leelou looks townie to me and he thinks she is mafia. Maybe that is why? Idk.
9. Talya - I don´t agree with her suspicions of Sili. But she looks townish. 
10. Eldrick - I have no clue. I know people have talked to and about him but maybe that was when I was focused on Zander? 
11. Leelou - I have a strong feeling that she is town. She puts down a lot of work in a way that I´m not used to seeing when she is mafia. Much more present in the thread. 
12. Sili - had a town read on him from the start and it hasn´t changed. 
13. Krak - ehm... yeh, that´s all I´ve got. 
14. Taborline - haven´t seen anything from her. 
15. Andrej - I had a town read on him yesterday. I still haven´t seen anything obviously mafia. Others seems to have. Please tell me why you think he is mafia?
16. Alannalynn - she has been active but I don´t remember anything she has said except for D1 spam. That could be because I just don´t remember or because she hasn´t said much. Iso object.
17. Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla 
18. Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason 
19. seph - no idea. 
20. Eternal Phoenix - mason, town. 
21. TinaHel
22. Yates - Faramir, Town Forensic Investigator
23. Cass/Monstr - again, don´t remember much from Cass. Monstr has complained once again that he doesn´t want to play. I think he has done so in every game I have played with him. If you are feeling bad, Monstr, the you should probably take a mafia break. There was some post on D1 that I felt good about him but I can´t remember what. 

24. Pizzaguy - felt very self centred on D1. 

 

 

 

Okay, as you see - no actual reads, more loose thoughts or what I remember without going back. I will go back to this post tomorrow and use it as a base for isoing. I really hope I will, anyway. I´m home with my daughter and it depends on what she wants to do. 

 

 

Sorry, this will be a quick post since I´m soon going to bed. I´m working late tomorrow but I think I should be able to be here for at least an hour tomorrow night. 

 

No order within the groups. 

 

 

 

Town:

 

Leelou - I had a townie feeling from how she posted on d1. I started to get a little worried about her yesterday but I liked that she didn´t fear to openly doubble vote on the least popular option. 

 

Talya - She makes posts that I don´t always agree with (for example about Sili) but that I can understand. Her recent posts all looks good. It looks to me like she is trying her best to scumhunt. 

 

Thane - Because of Pizza´s claim but also because of the selfvote. I have seen him selfvote before when he is frustrated. I don´t think he would do that as mafia. 

 

Pizza - Only because of the claim. I have not have time to re-read his posts like I said I should. I had him in my suspicious list before but for now I will go with the claim.

 

Krak - He is only here because of Pizza´s claim. Where is he? 

 

 

Light town:

 

Laine - I didn´t find much scummy from her when I iso´d her posts. 

 

 

In the middle:

 

Sooh - She is probably not mafia with Dice. That´s the only thing I can say for sure about her right now. 

 

AH - Has barely posted.

 

Yates 2.0 - I have no idea. Just yoloing D2. 

 

Seph - Can´t remember anything of him. 

 

Cass - The same goes for Cass. I need to read more. 

 

 

Light mafia:

 

AJ - I had a strong town feeling from him on D1 but I have liked him less since then. I feel like he was the looser in the back and forth with Talya. I also found it weird that he didn´t want the discussion during the gladiator stuff and he has defended Hallia, who is in my mafia list. The only reason that he is not further down is because I feel that I need to read more and get updated about his posting. I agree with others posting about him but want to see it for myself. 

 

EP 2.0 - I didn´t get a good feeling from Alot yesterday. Will have to re-read to remember why. Maybe it was because he posted so little? Unsure. 

 

 

Mafia:

 

Dice - See my earlier posts. 

 

Hally - She voted without reading up on D1, a vote that looked like a clear bandwagon vote. Didn´t like the voting yesterday or today either. Talya did a good iso of her that I agree with. 

 

Taborline - Has been almost invisible the whole game. Had a bad reason for voting Verbal before the gladiator stuff. (Something like he didn´t take the preassure good or something like that.) 

 

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

 

 

[Leelou]

She tried to pocket me, but it only worked for a short time. 

[Yates]

Is Tina a buser?

[Leelou]

I wouldn't put it past her. 

[Yates]

I'm trying to decide if this is even more fuel for the Hally fire or if it's somewhat clearing for Talya. Because she doesn't strike me as a buddier either.

[Sooh]

So.. I was dead wrong on Tina. Now I know what to look for with her. Every time I read her as scum she ends up being town, and every time I read her as being town she ends up being scum. This is development...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wasn't reading her scum until that awful claim, don't feel bad. It's a guessing game.

[Talya]

Having a little look at Cass, she has done a lot of questioning, but not much on her views.

 

gut told her Eld was town, then Eld looking more wolfie

 

not sure on Pizza and AJ and thought the Yates 1.0 and AJ was w/w.

 

this is her latest reads from last night

 

 

Ok. This is basically where I'm at, assuming we take the claimed slots and peeks as Town for now. 

NB: I'm not saying I believe everybody's claims. I don't trust anybody tbh and I still have some concerns over every player that has claimed or been cleared by someone else's claim. I will obviously need to go back and ISO them fully as well, as well as take a closer look at everybody's interactions. But starting here with the PoE and notes from recent ISOs:

 

 

Townish

 

Laine - Townish. Didn't like her spammy entry to the game but overall/later game I find myself agreeing with almost everything she posts. Tone occasionally pushy but ?null.

 

Dice - Wary Town for now. Aggression and decisiveness since D2 more indicative of TownDice, never seen him replicate early D2 attitude as Scum.

 

Seph - Asking lots of questions, tone comes across new and slightly over-eager. Reevaluates reads eg. Sili. ?Reaching with EP1.0/weak reasoning.

 

Aiel Heart - Catch up posts read legit and show effort, if a little buddyish. In retrospect not a fan of the Verbal vote before finishing catch up - says Pizza had been bugging her the entire game. Understand the 'trust noone to be Town' thing.

 

 

More likely Scum

 

Taborline - Tone reads as lost, but low participation concerning. Not much else to note.

 

AJ - Early tone was different to previous game I've played with him ?more buddyish. Early Vote for Tina for 'might as well' is off.  Discouraged wolf-hunting, downplayed potential JOAT and didn't vote in Gladiator challenge.

 

Sooh - Early votes slightly off (?Eldrick). Vote on Seph for not being involved, at phase change, linked with mention of Verb's intent? Possible involvement EoD1 phase change (?too obvious/scapegoat here?), canvassing even though 'strong scum read' re Dice, votes off main trains D2, switch to Thane but recognises Pizza peek. Willing to lynch Hallia post claim.

 

Talya - ?Buddying Alot. Votes Hallia after admitting to Yates case 'deflated'. Push on Sooh for not explaining previous Seph meta seems reaching, knocked down D3. Asks Pizza for NAs, later backs off. ?Another bulletproof role wrt Hallia?.

 

Tina - Early push on Zander based on Sooh vote being potentially easy target but no opinion on Sooh, defends Leelou, puts in early work, locates inconsistencies but vague on both ISOs of Alot. Don't like tone/push on Verbal towards EoD2. Sheeps Hally vote.

 

Yates2 - Snark and trash talk of town seems false/overdone since EoD1  ?Cover for change in alignment.  Immediately blames Leelou for phase change, but then starts canvassing opinions on Sooh for same thing, before voting Sooh. ?Inconsistent during Gladiator challenge.

 

Alot/EP2 - Understand Alot's early frustration at volume but ?overdone. Especially don't like  quick vote on Leelou at beginning of interaction followed by backtracking - why unvote if still seen as scummy? Explanation contradictory (voting off the cuff for a reaction and preferring votes to actually make a difference).  EP 2.0 overdefensive/not handling pressure from Pizza ?whymefryme - same thing he pushed as scummy on Leelou as EP 1.0.

 

 

 

At this point, unless the claims are CC'd or proven to be unlikely Town, I'm happy to vote anybody from the lower pile today.

 

The bolded blue is a bit odd - she was saying that EP 2.0 was wolfie because his tantrum was the same as he did on Leelou as EP 1.0 - he was town then, so how do you get to Wolfie from that - illogical.

 

She goes from not sure on Dice Not seen him so weak, and then Dice comes in more aggressive and now he is town. Feels like they could be on a team together. Neither of those two were on the Tina lynch. Maybe there is the first team.

 

I'm still suspicious of Hally.

 

Now Leelou has gone up to villagery  (although I will never get suspicion out of my head that she could have sacrificed a less active team mate. But I'm leaning more town at the moment).

[Talya]

So.. I was dead wrong on Tina. Now I know what to look for with her. Every time I read her as scum she ends up being town, and every time I read her as being town she ends up being scum. This is development...

 

I know what you mean, it was only when I realised how much she followed people rather did her own stuff, that I thought she might be town, I usually get her wrong as well.

[Talya]

@ Pizza - are you going to answer my question?

[Talya]

Ha! I forgot a page of notes on Manbat, the other half of Cass.

 

He seemed to only think people as town: Sili, Seph (stating he flips here town more than wolfie - not a great reason for thinking someone is town), points to Seph for towny, Pizza,- slightly villagery, Seph, probably village again. States that he misreads Tina (I know there was a reason I had it in my head they could be on the same team), and also says that she is similar to him. This sounds like using an excuse for getting any reads on each other wrong.

AJ and Yates was town/town and Verb was one of the stronger town reads.

[alannalynn]

Waking up late, I need to get ready for work in.... 5 minutes, so I'm reading backwards ish

 

 

@EP -my bad I read it wrong.

Will have t look closely at you two when home tonight, seems contrived. But I am reading quickly on my phone.

Need to think about EP claim and Hally's

Contrived? EP used to pull this act all the time, and frankly I wish it would stop. I had a hard time catching up tonight because his attitude is annoying the hell out of me. I'll policy lynch him just for that. For reals though, EP, not cool.

I don't think you're remembering what you think you remember. I only melted down mid-game one other time, and that was when I QUIT for 2 and a half years. So please tell me how I pulled this act "all the time"

I found who goes in Hallia's slot on my list, since I believe Hallia. AlannaLynn assumed that she could get an easy vote in on me next day with a bull reason.

I think we've identified 4-5 wolves today.

 

EP + Talya

Hallia + Tina + Cass

 

You're still as wrong as you were before. For the record Tina has been on my list the entire time. You're welcome for that btw.

 

Well since I am still alive, if we have a Vig shoot anyone on my list and you'll hit mafia.

Well obviously you made a bad enough impression that it seemed like more than it was. Who says I'm voting you next day? I'm wanting to vote for Hallia or Sooh. I need to go back and ISO the bottom of my own list though.

 

 

 

 

 

I fully expect Pizza to be protected tonight. Either by himself, or by some other means. Will the scum teams be ballsy enough to kill one of his peeks, and prove that he is telling the truth?

That actually doesn't prove anything to be honest look at it this way:

Pizza lies his peeks could be town, but could also be mafia

Pizza tells the truth then they are town

So just because a "confirmed" townie is killed doesn't mean Pizza is cleared

 

Odds are I'm the likely target tonight I've been the only truely confirmed town in this game in the morning Halia and Tina need to be looked at hard. One if not both are likely mafia. Heart is possibly mafia, maybe Talya as well. Still don't trust Leelou and Sooh has been coasting since Yates called her out. so in list format the people you should start hammering down on are as follows:

 

Hallia

Tina

Heart

Talya

Leelou

Sooh

Tabesomething? (added her in because she's posted so little content I don't even know what her name is.

 

Here's a good place to start, I do so like the list that this individual so graciously provided.

just remove Hallia for now

 

Updated List

 

Alannalynn

Tina lynched mafia

Heart

Talya

Sooh

WK

Seph

 

For the benefit of the doubt I'm going to move Leelou from my list and put her in null. In her spot I'm going to go back to a gut feeling I had from day 1 and put Seph in.

Why would Leelou be in your list in the first place? She's proved she's a double voter, I don't see how that puts her anywhere near a mafia pile?

[Gabriel Kross]

Having a little look at Cass, she has done a lot of questioning, but not much on her views.

 

gut told her Eld was town, then Eld looking more wolfie

 

not sure on Pizza and AJ and thought the Yates 1.0 and AJ was w/w.

 

this is her latest reads from last night

 

 

Ok. This is basically where I'm at, assuming we take the claimed slots and peeks as Town for now. 

NB: I'm not saying I believe everybody's claims. I don't trust anybody tbh and I still have some concerns over every player that has claimed or been cleared by someone else's claim. I will obviously need to go back and ISO them fully as well, as well as take a closer look at everybody's interactions. But starting here with the PoE and notes from recent ISOs:

 

 

Townish

 

Laine - Townish. Didn't like her spammy entry to the game but overall/later game I find myself agreeing with almost everything she posts. Tone occasionally pushy but ?null.

 

Dice - Wary Town for now. Aggression and decisiveness since D2 more indicative of TownDice, never seen him replicate early D2 attitude as Scum.

 

Seph - Asking lots of questions, tone comes across new and slightly over-eager. Reevaluates reads eg. Sili. ?Reaching with EP1.0/weak reasoning.

 

Aiel Heart - Catch up posts read legit and show effort, if a little buddyish. In retrospect not a fan of the Verbal vote before finishing catch up - says Pizza had been bugging her the entire game. Understand the 'trust noone to be Town' thing.

 

 

More likely Scum

 

Taborline - Tone reads as lost, but low participation concerning. Not much else to note.

 

AJ - Early tone was different to previous game I've played with him ?more buddyish. Early Vote for Tina for 'might as well' is off.  Discouraged wolf-hunting, downplayed potential JOAT and didn't vote in Gladiator challenge.

 

Sooh - Early votes slightly off (?Eldrick). Vote on Seph for not being involved, at phase change, linked with mention of Verb's intent? Possible involvement EoD1 phase change (?too obvious/scapegoat here?), canvassing even though 'strong scum read' re Dice, votes off main trains D2, switch to Thane but recognises Pizza peek. Willing to lynch Hallia post claim.

 

Talya - ?Buddying Alot. Votes Hallia after admitting to Yates case 'deflated'. Push on Sooh for not explaining previous Seph meta seems reaching, knocked down D3. Asks Pizza for NAs, later backs off. ?Another bulletproof role wrt Hallia?.

 

Tina - Early push on Zander based on Sooh vote being potentially easy target but no opinion on Sooh, defends Leelou, puts in early work, locates inconsistencies but vague on both ISOs of Alot. Don't like tone/push on Verbal towards EoD2. Sheeps Hally vote.

 

Yates2 - Snark and trash talk of town seems false/overdone since EoD1  ?Cover for change in alignment.  Immediately blames Leelou for phase change, but then starts canvassing opinions on Sooh for same thing, before voting Sooh. ?Inconsistent during Gladiator challenge.

 

Alot/EP2 - Understand Alot's early frustration at volume but ?overdone. Especially don't like  quick vote on Leelou at beginning of interaction followed by backtracking - why unvote if still seen as scummy? Explanation contradictory (voting off the cuff for a reaction and preferring votes to actually make a difference).  EP 2.0 overdefensive/not handling pressure from Pizza ?whymefryme - same thing he pushed as scummy on Leelou as EP 1.0.

 

 

 

At this point, unless the claims are CC'd or proven to be unlikely Town, I'm happy to vote anybody from the lower pile today.

 

The bolded blue is a bit odd - she was saying that EP 2.0 was wolfie because his tantrum was the same as he did on Leelou as EP 1.0 - he was town then, so how do you get to Wolfie from that - illogical.

 

She goes from not sure on Dice Not seen him so weak, and then Dice comes in more aggressive and now he is town. Feels like they could be on a team together. Neither of those two were on the Tina lynch. Maybe there is the first team.

 

I'm still suspicious of Hally.

 

Now Leelou has gone up to villagery  (although I will never get suspicion out of my head that she could have sacrificed a less active team mate. But I'm leaning more town at the moment).

 

The part you pointed out was Cass claiming that I was doing a "whymefryme" scenario which I wasn't I just wanted to be done with this game. However nice try trying to discredit Cass.

Waking up late, I need to get ready for work in.... 5 minutes, so I'm reading backwards ish

 

 

@EP -my bad I read it wrong.

 

Will have t look closely at you two when home tonight, seems contrived. But I am reading quickly on my phone.

 

Need to think about EP claim and Hally's

Contrived? EP used to pull this act all the time, and frankly I wish it would stop. I had a hard time catching up tonight because his attitude is annoying the hell out of me. I'll policy lynch him just for that. For reals though, EP, not cool.

I don't think you're remembering what you think you remember. I only melted down mid-game one other time, and that was when I QUIT for 2 and a half years. So please tell me how I pulled this act "all the time"

I found who goes in Hallia's slot on my list, since I believe Hallia. AlannaLynn assumed that she could get an easy vote in on me next day with a bull reason.

I think we've identified 4-5 wolves today.

 

EP + Talya

Hallia + Tina + Cass

 

You're still as wrong as you were before. For the record Tina has been on my list the entire time. You're welcome for that btw.

 

Well since I am still alive, if we have a Vig shoot anyone on my list and you'll hit mafia.

Well obviously you made a bad enough impression that it seemed like more than it was. Who says I'm voting you next day? I'm wanting to vote for Hallia or Sooh. I need to go back and ISO the bottom of my own list though.

 

 

 

 

 

I fully expect Pizza to be protected tonight. Either by himself, or by some other means. Will the scum teams be ballsy enough to kill one of his peeks, and prove that he is telling the truth?

That actually doesn't prove anything to be honest look at it this way:

Pizza lies his peeks could be town, but could also be mafia

Pizza tells the truth then they are town

So just because a "confirmed" townie is killed doesn't mean Pizza is cleared

 

Odds are I'm the likely target tonight I've been the only truely confirmed town in this game in the morning Halia and Tina need to be looked at hard. One if not both are likely mafia. Heart is possibly mafia, maybe Talya as well. Still don't trust Leelou and Sooh has been coasting since Yates called her out. so in list format the people you should start hammering down on are as follows:

 

Hallia

Tina

Heart

Talya

Leelou

Sooh

Tabesomething? (added her in because she's posted so little content I don't even know what her name is.

 

Here's a good place to start, I do so like the list that this individual so graciously provided.

just remove Hallia for now

 

Updated List

 

Alannalynn

Tina lynched mafia

Heart

Talya

Sooh

WK

Seph

 

For the benefit of the doubt I'm going to move Leelou from my list and put her in null. In her spot I'm going to go back to a gut feeling I had from day 1 and put Seph in.

Why would Leelou be in your list in the first place? She's proved she's a double voter, I don't see how that puts her anywhere near a mafia pile?

oh joy backpeddling now, it doesn't become you. You said specifically "All the time" I don't even think you were in the game that I had a meltdown in, let me go look that up. You weren't in the game, so trying to meta me off a game you weren't even a pafrt of makes it that much worse. http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/73250-town-wins-bgs-basic-wheel-of-time-books-mafia/ is the game, for the record it does make me look bad because I was mafia in that, but my meltdown was legit in that game, I was playing too many games and the day 1 lazyness bugged me. I even posted about it post game. This was also the first and only game I've ever quit.

I quit for 2 reasons, 1 I really felt the cases on day 1 were just way to farfetched. None of them really had any substance except for Wombat's case on Rand which annoyed me. 2 I had to cut back on games for personal reasons so I quit this one, until I quit only 1 person really suspected me so I didn't think it would turn out the way it did and for that I'm sorry JLM.

 

[Gabriel Kross]

Waking up late, I need to get ready for work in.... 5 minutes, so I'm reading backwards ish

 

 

@EP -my bad I read it wrong.

 

Will have t look closely at you two when home tonight, seems contrived. But I am reading quickly on my phone.

 

Need to think about EP claim and Hally's

Contrived? EP used to pull this act all the time, and frankly I wish it would stop. I had a hard time catching up tonight because his attitude is annoying the hell out of me. I'll policy lynch him just for that. For reals though, EP, not cool.

I don't think you're remembering what you think you remember. I only melted down mid-game one other time, and that was when I QUIT for 2 and a half years. So please tell me how I pulled this act "all the time"

I found who goes in Hallia's slot on my list, since I believe Hallia. AlannaLynn assumed that she could get an easy vote in on me next day with a bull reason.

I think we've identified 4-5 wolves today.

 

EP + Talya

Hallia + Tina + Cass

 

You're still as wrong as you were before. For the record Tina has been on my list the entire time. You're welcome for that btw.

 

Well since I am still alive, if we have a Vig shoot anyone on my list and you'll hit mafia.

Well obviously you made a bad enough impression that it seemed like more than it was. Who says I'm voting you next day? I'm wanting to vote for Hallia or Sooh. I need to go back and ISO the bottom of my own list though.

 

 

 

 

 

I fully expect Pizza to be protected tonight. Either by himself, or by some other means. Will the scum teams be ballsy enough to kill one of his peeks, and prove that he is telling the truth?

That actually doesn't prove anything to be honest look at it this way:

Pizza lies his peeks could be town, but could also be mafia

Pizza tells the truth then they are town

So just because a "confirmed" townie is killed doesn't mean Pizza is cleared

 

Odds are I'm the likely target tonight I've been the only truely confirmed town in this game in the morning Halia and Tina need to be looked at hard. One if not both are likely mafia. Heart is possibly mafia, maybe Talya as well. Still don't trust Leelou and Sooh has been coasting since Yates called her out. so in list format the people you should start hammering down on are as follows:

 

Hallia

Tina

Heart

Talya

Leelou

Sooh

Tabesomething? (added her in because she's posted so little content I don't even know what her name is.

 

Here's a good place to start, I do so like the list that this individual so graciously provided.

just remove Hallia for now

 

Updated List

 

Alannalynn

Tina lynched mafia

Heart

Talya

Sooh

WK

Seph

 

For the benefit of the doubt I'm going to move Leelou from my list and put her in null. In her spot I'm going to go back to a gut feeling I had from day 1 and put Seph in.

Why would Leelou be in your list in the first place? She's proved she's a double voter, I don't see how that puts her anywhere near a mafia pile?

oh and to answer your question at the bottom, I don't trust that double voter is only a town role, however your buddying up attempt is noted. you are 100% mafia in my book now. 

[Yates]

Guys. I don't care about EP rage quitting in the past. He isn't doing it here and you are arguing about something stupid and not at all game relevant. And using huge quotes to do it which is blech.

[Gabriel Kross]

Guys. I don't care about EP rage quitting in the past. He isn't doing it here and you are arguing about something stupid and not at all game relevant. And using huge quotes to do it which is blech.

if you actually read it, it cements my read on AlannaLynn as mafia.

[Gabriel Kross]

She tried to play it up as happening in more than 1 game, I called her out on it and her reason was "Well obviously you made a bad enough impression that it seemed like more than it was." (copy/pasted from the quotes above) How did I leave an impression on her when she wasn't even in the game? She heard other people talk about it and tried a risky push onto me that backfired very hard.

[seph]

ep that was difficult to read, I will try it again...

[Gabriel Kross]

just look at my tl/dr version oh but you're her mafia team mate soooo you know w/e

[alannalynn]

Ok I won't mention it anymore, sorry I offended you.

 

How does that make me mafia? I've never seen double voting as a mafia role. And if she were scum, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't show us her power like she did. I need to go back and look but I'm not sure she was under any heat? I don't have note with me atm