A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

Andrej · May 18, 2015

Official Vote Count Four:

Hallia (1/9): Yates

Dicetosser1 (1/9): Sooh

Sooh (2/9): Dicetosser1, Hallia

Taborline (3/9): Thane, Eternal Phoenix, TinaHel

Eternal Phoenix (1/9): Pizza

TinaHel (2/9): Leelou, Andrej

Not Voting (7/17):

Aiel Heart, Krak, Taborline, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Talya

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

Current VC afaict

Leelou · May 18, 2015

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

EP do me a favor.

Cut if with the cry baby crap, okay?

If you're a villager here then buck up and find some wolves to kill. This is Mafia, people are going to suspect you and accuse you and do all sorts of other things to affect you. You should know this considering you've been around the block a few times.

Why, nobody is listening anyways. I have no desire to win at this point. It has nothing to do with being accused. I actually almost pissed myself laughing at the case Pizza tried to make on me when I finally decided to read it.

Because it's good to have on record for the future if you're proven innocent. I still want to see your opinion on Tina. You said something about ISOing her?

Throwing in the towel when the first person starts to seriously pressure you looks to me like you could be going into anti-spew mode. Help me out if you're a villager. We NEED to lynch a wolf today.

I said nothing about ISOing Tina, and my opinion of this game has nothing to do with Pizza voting me.

Also for the record I'm putting a game together and will be instituting 2 new rules when it comes around, consistent inactivity will result in a modkill, and self voting will result in a modkill

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

dicetosser1 · May 18, 2015

I checke´d Alot of EP´s posts and saw that he had Leelou on his list. Not that he has gone after her today.

It´s always hard when people replace in. I have no idea what Yates 2.0 is. Mafia? Town? Who knows? But I didn´t like EP´s emotional defense. And it´s not a good defense to say that you have the same reads as EP 1.0.

Anyway. My time is soon up. I feel most comfortable voting Dice or Taborline right now. Taborline already has some votes so I will join that wagon.

[v] Taborline [/v]

Talks about EP

talks about Yae EP re subbing

but is willing to vote me or tabrline?? What the???

Inside a game this large? Why would there not be more roles? Especially with multiball.
Bulletproof and doctors mean village can survive at night but wolves cannot.

And they're already vested in targeting each other, because to the mafia, the opposing mafia is the largest threat.

Ergo, protecting the village from night attacks means that the mafia have few other people to target at night but each other, which results in self-destruct.

Village almost always wins if they're halfway competent with their doctoring and/or don't out themselves on day two due to some terrible vote choices.

except those town roles may make a mistake and protect mafia .

page 137

Leelou · May 18, 2015

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

NO, don't just throw a hissy fit and say you agree with 1.0. Make your cases and prove yourself. It's not hard to hide if you are scum and just using the same list.

Have you even started to consider that I am indeed town? Because I am.

Leelou · May 18, 2015

I checke´d Alot of EP´s posts and saw that he had Leelou on his list. Not that he has gone after her today.

It´s always hard when people replace in. I have no idea what Yates 2.0 is. Mafia? Town? Who knows? But I didn´t like EP´s emotional defense. And it´s not a good defense to say that you have the same reads as EP 1.0.

Anyway. My time is soon up. I feel most comfortable voting Dice or Taborline right now. Taborline already has some votes so I will join that wagon.

[v] Taborline [/v]

Talks about EP

talks about Yae EP re subbing

but is willing to vote me or tabrline?? What the???

Sounds like scum!Tina, right? Add that with her push on Verbal there to make him use his power at the last minute.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

NO, don't just throw a hissy fit and say you agree with 1.0. Make your cases and prove yourself. It's not hard to hide if you are scum and just using the same list.

Have you even started to consider that I am indeed town? Because I am.

no, because I've never seen a game where a double voter is a town role.

Leelou · May 18, 2015

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

NO, don't just throw a hissy fit and say you agree with 1.0. Make your cases and prove yourself. It's not hard to hide if you are scum and just using the same list.

Have you even started to consider that I am indeed town? Because I am.

no, because I've never seen a game where a double voter is a town role.

Well, hate to tell you, but IT IS. I AM TOWN. You ARE driving me cRaZy.

Talya · May 18, 2015

EP - I clicked on the last one on the front page and got to here:

Official Vote Count Two:

Hallia (2/9): Yates, TinaHel

TinaHel (1/9): Eternal Phoenix

Laine (1/9): Leelou

Dicetosser1 (1/9): Sooh

Sooh (2/9): Dicetosser1, Hallia

Taborline (3/9): AndreJ, Thane, Eternal Phoenix

Eternal Phoenix (1/9): Pizza

Not Voting (7/17):

, Aiel Heart, Krak, Taborline, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Talya

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

NO, don't just throw a hissy fit and say you agree with 1.0. Make your cases and prove yourself. It's not hard to hide if you are scum and just using the same list.

Have you even started to consider that I am indeed town? Because I am.

no, because I've never seen a game where a double voter is a town role.

Well, hate to tell you, but IT IS. I AM TOWN. You ARE driving me cRaZy.

isn't that part of the whole game of mafia? Use any tactics available to shake out the low hanging fruit?

EP - I clicked on the last one on the front page and got to here:

Official Vote Count Two:

Hallia (2/9): Yates, TinaHel

TinaHel (1/9): Eternal Phoenix

Laine (1/9): Leelou

Dicetosser1 (1/9): Sooh

Sooh (2/9): Dicetosser1, Hallia

Taborline (3/9): AndreJ, Thane, Eternal Phoenix

Eternal Phoenix (1/9): Pizza

Not Voting (7/17):

, Aiel Heart, Krak, Taborline, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Talya

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

Darthe posted a more recent count that's updated to show me only voting Taboline

Talya · May 18, 2015

Also, EP cut the emo. If you are town, you are NOT helping your case at all. I will stop reading all of your posts and will just vote you without thinking about it. You are replacing in for a scummy player. Prove yourself and don't lean on your old proven town self.

"don't lean on old proven town self" so don't go after any of the people on my current list when in fact those are the people I want lynched seems like counter-intuitive logic which is why you aren't coming off my list.

NO, don't just throw a hissy fit and say you agree with 1.0. Make your cases and prove yourself. It's not hard to hide if you are scum and just using the same list.

Have you even started to consider that I am indeed town? Because I am.

no, because I've never seen a game where a double voter is a town role.

that is something I agree with you.

Leelou · May 18, 2015

What exactly would I have to do to prove to you guys I'm town?

Leelou · May 18, 2015

Oh, and both of you. Thoughts on Tina.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

Oh, and both of you. Thoughts on Tina.

she's on my list.

Leelou · May 18, 2015

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

I am not lying. Thanks for pushing that though. It's like you are taking nothing I say into consideration. I'm leaving you in my scum pile. You are showing no progressing in trying to work out solving the game.

Leelou · May 18, 2015

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

Also, out of the three, at least I've proven my role.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

Also, out of the three, at least I've proven my role.

to be fair it's pretty hard to prove a night action role that gives no info, since Pizza claimed he used his views night 1

Andrej · May 18, 2015

I have seen town double voters before. I'm really not sure where the idea of it being a scum only role is coming from?

Leelou · May 18, 2015

I have seen town double voters before. I'm really not sure where the idea of it being a scum only role is coming from?

Scum agenda push on a townie.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

I have seen town double voters before. I'm really not sure where the idea of it being a scum only role is coming from?

Scum agenda push on a townie.

if that were the case, why would it be me pushing it?

Andrej · May 18, 2015

In fact - I think it's way more often a town role than scum because of how much control it could give mafia on a lynch, especially late game.

Leelou · May 18, 2015

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

Also, out of the three, at least I've proven my role.

to be fair it's pretty hard to prove a night action role that gives no info, since Pizza claimed he used his views night 1

Convenient that none of his reads have died so we can have some sort of proof.

Gabriel Kross · May 18, 2015

let me put it to you this way, someone of the three Leelou, Hallia, and Pizza is lieing and of the three I most suspect it's Leelou. A double voter is the most beneficial of the three to a mafia team. As far as we know there is no town NK action in this game so a bodyguard is useless to the mafia and JoAT is not something Mafia'd really benefit from.

Also, out of the three, at least I've proven my role.

to be fair it's pretty hard to prove a night action role that gives no info, since Pizza claimed he used his views night 1

Convenient that none of his reads have died so we can have some sort of proof.

on this point why would mafia want to prove him right?

Talya · May 18, 2015

I realise that now EP, he hadn't updated the links at the front of the game. trust me to pick that up.

Tina:

1. votes Verbal first of all

2. Tina seems fixed on Zander on day 1 and quotes sili for the reasons. (The wrong quoted post means nothing)

3. Has no opnions on sooh

4. Unvotes Zander on EP's soft claim, Aj and Leelou looking town to her. Says she was fixed on Zander and doesn't know who is mafia

her reads so far after day 1

I´ve again read the thread a little now and then during the day on my phone. This is the first time that I have computer access. I really need a day where I can sit down and re-read stuff. Reading a little here and a little there is just confusing. Here are some random thoughts or things that caught my eye.

1. Hally - it felt weird that she jumped in to the game to vote someone when she hadn´t read up. Does she usually do that? It looked pretty much like a bandwagon vote.

2. Sooh - I still don´t have a clue. She has posted some but nothing has stuck in my mind. She is one of those that I would like to iso. Others have mentioned her. If anyone would like to restate why, I wiould be grateful.
3. Alot - haven´t been here alot.
4. ~~Alanna~~ Aiel Heart - Welcome! She hasn´t posted anything so far.
5. Dice - where is he? He voted me yesterday and then unvoted when others did. That is all that I can remember. Nr 2 to iso.
6. ~~John Snow~~ Yates 2.0 - So Yates 1.0 was apparently town. That doesn´t say much about Yates 2.0. I´ve nothing to say about the new Yates.
7. Thane - I really understand why you are frustrated, Thane. It´s tough to keep up with a big game like this. Tells me nothing about his alignment. It looks very easy to vote him.
8. Verbal - yesterday I got the feeling that he was protecting Yates. I have seen Verbal do that with mafia buddies before. Take the lead (vocally) in voting someone. He gets people to join but when he then find reasons to unvote people follow him on that too and then the other person are sort of cleard. It´s hard for me to explain more than that. Anyway, now Yates turned up town so it´s obvious that Verbal didn´t try to save him because they are mafia together. I´m not sure about him though. There is something, and I don´t think it´s just my usual suspicion that I have every game. Leelou looks townie to me and he thinks she is mafia. Maybe that is why? Idk.
9. Talya - I don´t agree with her suspicions of Sili. But she looks townish.
10. Eldrick - I have no clue. I know people have talked to and about him but maybe that was when I was focused on Zander?
11. Leelou - I have a strong feeling that she is town. She puts down a lot of work in a way that I´m not used to seeing when she is mafia. Much more present in the thread.
12. Sili - had a town read on him from the start and it hasn´t changed.
13. Krak - ehm... yeh, that´s all I´ve got.
14. Taborline - haven´t seen anything from her.
15. Andrej - I had a town read on him yesterday. I still haven´t seen anything obviously mafia. Others seems to have. Please tell me why you think he is mafia?
16. Alannalynn - she has been active but I don´t remember anything she has said except for D1 spam. That could be because I just don´t remember or because she hasn´t said much. Iso object.
17. Tress - Tulkas, Town Vanilla
18. Zander - Elu Thingol, Town Mason
19. seph - no idea.
20. Eternal Phoenix - mason, town.
21. TinaHel
22. Yates - Faramir, Town Forensic Investigator
23. Cass/Monstr - again, don´t remember much from Cass. Monstr has complained once again that he doesn´t want to play. I think he has done so in every game I have played with him. If you are feeling bad, Monstr, the you should probably take a mafia break. There was some post on D1 that I felt good about him but I can´t remember what.

24. Pizzaguy - felt very self centred on D1.

Okay, as you see - no actual reads, more loose thoughts or what I remember without going back. I will go back to this post tomorrow and use it as a base for isoing. I really hope I will, anyway. I´m home with my daughter and it depends on what she wants to do.

5. She defends Leelou a bit from what Verb had said to her.

6. she ISO's dice which turns out inconclusive again, this seems to be a lot of her posts

7. does an ISO on Sooh and slight wolfie read, and if she is she will go back and look at Dice

8. Admits to defending Leelou and says she found her town a long time ago.

9. her intent to vote Verbal

I´m on page 76 now and I feel like voting Verbal. So this is my INTENT TO VOTE VERBAL unless I find something more townie after that.

First he states that he think AJ vs. Yates is w/w but from different teams.

In #915 he says that it doesn´t matter who of AJ or Yates that dies.

Then we have the posts where Yates said the wrong name - Seph instead of Zander.

#936 Verbal votes Yates because of that. Yates had said Seph was lock wollf earlier and now he had him in his town list.

#979 He unvotes after claim and Yates explaining about the mix up.

When Leelou asks him who he wants to vote he says probably Seph but never votes. What happened to AJ?

This all look to me that Verbal is trying to play two people against each other (AJ and Yates) - then finding a reason to vote Yates. He doesn´t mention AJ again, if I remember it right.

Then he went after Leelou during the night. He told me that he never said she was mafia but now that I looked back and in #1325 he says that he takes back his town read on Leelou and thinks she is on a mafia team hunting other mafia.

This is what I´ve got so far but will go back to look after page 76.

Was going to do ISO on Pizza, and got halfway through and voted Verbal in the Gladiator.

Her look at everyone and her vote on Hallia today

Sorry, this will be a quick post since I´m soon going to bed. I´m working late tomorrow but I think I should be able to be here for at least an hour tomorrow night.

No order within the groups.

Town:

Leelou - I had a townie feeling from how she posted on d1. I started to get a little worried about her yesterday but I liked that she didn´t fear to openly doubble vote on the least popular option.

Talya - She makes posts that I don´t always agree with (for example about Sili) but that I can understand. Her recent posts all looks good. It looks to me like she is trying her best to scumhunt.

Thane - Because of Pizza´s claim but also because of the selfvote. I have seen him selfvote before when he is frustrated. I don´t think he would do that as mafia.

Pizza - Only because of the claim. I have not have time to re-read his posts like I said I should. I had him in my suspicious list before but for now I will go with the claim.

Krak - He is only here because of Pizza´s claim. Where is he?

Light town:

Laine - I didn´t find much scummy from her when I iso´d her posts.

In the middle:

Sooh - She is probably not mafia with Dice. That´s the only thing I can say for sure about her right now.

AH - Has barely posted.

Yates 2.0 - I have no idea. Just yoloing D2.

Seph - Can´t remember anything of him.

Cass - The same goes for Cass. I need to read more.

Light mafia:

AJ - I had a strong town feeling from him on D1 but I have liked him less since then. I feel like he was the looser in the back and forth with Talya. I also found it weird that he didn´t want the discussion during the gladiator stuff and he has defended Hallia, who is in my mafia list. The only reason that he is not further down is because I feel that I need to read more and get updated about his posting. I agree with others posting about him but want to see it for myself.

EP 2.0 - I didn´t get a good feeling from Alot yesterday. Will have to re-read to remember why. Maybe it was because he posted so little? Unsure.

Mafia:

Dice - See my earlier posts.

Hally - She voted without reading up on D1, a vote that looked like a clear bandwagon vote. Didn´t like the voting yesterday or today either. Talya did a good iso of her that I agree with.

Taborline - Has been almost invisible the whole game. Had a bad reason for voting Verbal before the gladiator stuff. (Something like he didn´t take the preassure good or something like that.)

[v] Hallia [/v]

and her vote on Tab:

I checke´d Alot of EP´s posts and saw that he had Leelou on his list. Not that he has gone after her today.

It´s always hard when people replace in. I have no idea what Yates 2.0 is. Mafia? Town? Who knows? But I didn´t like EP´s emotional defense. And it´s not a good defense to say that you have the same reads as EP 1.0.

Anyway. My time is soon up. I feel most comfortable voting Dice or Taborline right now. Taborline already has some votes so I will join that wagon.

[v] Taborline [/v]

I think this is a lazy vote.

A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

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