[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

Clearly my teammate

Good, work on your spew. Seems like a better way to fill your time.

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

Dice, talk to me more about you unvoting Darthe.

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

I think Eldrick might be scum from his handling of Sili about the vig thing. I don't see the point in asking about why he would assume Lily was the vig kill. For one, even BEFORE Lady Clov claimed (I'm calling her that from now on, because this is a medieval themed game...and mostly to stroke my own ego), it was a pretty logical assumption. Why would mafia EVER shoot somebody who got ran up the day before?

Second, what good comes from pushing that angle? Say Sili was the vig and shot her. You've now pressured a town power role into claiming. I don't see a scenario where scum shoots somebody - who flips town - and goes "Oh btw guys, that was me!".

Looks more like he was trying to get confirmation on a PR to me.

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

So I just want to get this out in the open so that it doesn't waste our day. I'm the one who vigged Lilly, and incidently Cass .
I believe you because... boom:
Since neither lynch went through I think it's fair to assume the vig is someone on the Lily wagon - being that the vig would have been on the Lily wagon assuming she was the most likely scum in the game.
Sili was providing vig cover [confirming my Town read on him] - which I thought about doing but seldom ends well for me.

But - you know - I'm not doing any work, right Nyn?

I believe her, because there's about a 0.00000001% chance she's lying about this. I want everybody to be fully clear on that - unless you are hard committing to a counter-claim as the town vig, I'm going to assume anybody that doesn't have Lady Clov as locktown is claiming mafia. Not only would her lying about being the vig be completely opposite of her scumgame (she's usually pretty passive, doesn't really get involved heavily in pushes), she's smart enough to know why you don't fakeclaim vig with evidence of a real vig.

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

I think Eldrick might be scum from his handling of Sili about the vig thing. I don't see the point in asking about why he would assume Lily was the vig kill. For one, even BEFORE Lady Clov claimed (I'm calling her that from now on, because this is a medieval themed game...and mostly to stroke my own ego), it was a pretty logical assumption. Why would mafia EVER shoot somebody who got ran up the day before?

Second, what good comes from pushing that angle? Say Sili was the vig and shot her. You've now pressured a town power role into claiming. I don't see a scenario where scum shoots somebody - who flips town - and goes "Oh btw guys, that was me!".

Looks more like he was trying to get confirmation on a PR to me.

Good catch

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

Nyn - I think you're right to go back and look at how EoD unfolded, but I don't fully support your conclusion about Darthe's alignment. Lily flipped town definitely INCREASES the likeliness of him being mafia, but it doesn't guarantee it. In a game this size, you're probably looking a 3-man scum team, with the possibility of a fourth/an indy. If Thane or Dice are mafia, that's one (two, if both are) vote wasted; the third teammate could have already been on Darthe and was relying on town to help take him down. They could have split between the two so that there would be a good amount of townies incriminated post-flip (or to dodge the scribe).

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

I think Eldrick might be scum from his handling of Sili about the vig thing. I don't see the point in asking about why he would assume Lily was the vig kill. For one, even BEFORE Lady Clov claimed (I'm calling her that from now on, because this is a medieval themed game...and mostly to stroke my own ego), it was a pretty logical assumption. Why would mafia EVER shoot somebody who got ran up the day before?

Second, what good comes from pushing that angle? Say Sili was the vig and shot her. You've now pressured a town power role into claiming. I don't see a scenario where scum shoots somebody - who flips town - and goes "Oh btw guys, that was me!".

Looks more like he was trying to get confirmation on a PR to me.

Good catch

If you like that, wait til you see what I do for my next trick.

Yates · March 11, 2015

I believe her, because there's about a 0.00000001% chance she's lying about this.

Not going to consider the possibility she was providing vig cover? :tongue:

But yeah. She's pretty much an IC at this point.

Looks more like he was trying to get confirmation on a PR to me.

This is a good catch. I assumed Sili was providing vig cover since I was pretty sure he would have shot Darthe if he was the real vig.

Darthe · March 11, 2015

Oh am I supposed to be phased on how you voted Eldrick for a minute before switching to Barm?

It's called pro bussing, learn tactics.

On a more serious note, perhaps Barm is mafia.

@Clov, Nyn mafia odds?

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

Nyn - I think you're right to go back and look at how EoD unfolded, but I don't fully support your conclusion about Darthe's alignment. Lily flipped town definitely INCREASES the likeliness of him being mafia, but it doesn't guarantee it. In a game this size, you're probably looking a 3-man scum team, with the possibility of a fourth/an indy. If Thane or Dice are mafia, that's one (two, if both are) vote wasted; the third teammate could have already been on Darthe and was relying on town to help take him down. They could have split between the two so that there would be a good amount of townies incriminated post-flip (or to dodge the scribe).

It's not out of the realm of possibilities. I just find it hard to believe that they would pick incrimination over securing a mislynch that was practically handed to them. I just don't buy it. And honestly? If this was my only concern about Darthe, I might have considered to concede. But he's been pinging all over the place so I'm not gonna back off. I think he's scum.

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

Oh am I supposed to be phased on how you voted Eldrick for a minute before switching to Barm?

It's called pro bussing, learn tactics.

Sure I'll get on that pronto.

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

I gotta ask though... @ Clov, what exactly has Darthe done up until now that makes you think he might be town. Because I really don't get it.

Darthe · March 11, 2015

Nyn - I think you're right to go back and look at how EoD unfolded, but I don't fully support your conclusion about Darthe's alignment. Lily flipped town definitely INCREASES the likeliness of him being mafia, but it doesn't guarantee it. In a game this size, you're probably looking a 3-man scum team, with the possibility of a fourth/an indy. If Thane or Dice are mafia, that's one (two, if both are) vote wasted; the third teammate could have already been on Darthe and was relying on town to help take him down. They could have split between the two so that there would be a good amount of townies incriminated post-flip (or to dodge the scribe).

It's not out of the realm of possibilities. I just find it hard to believe that they would pick incrimination over securing a mislynch that was practically handed to them. I just don't buy it. And honestly? If this was my only concern about Darthe, I might have considered to concede. But he's been pinging all over the place so I'm not gonna back off. I think he's scum.

"Pinging"

"subjective tells based on made up reasoning"

If I provided you with a thesaurus of buzzwords do you think you could fit five in a sentence?

Also, and this could be crazy, but what if the mafia were either already on my lynch or I was on their ass and they didn't want to be incriminated?

Darthe · March 11, 2015

I gotta ask though... @ Clov, what exactly has Darthe done up until now that makes you think he might be town. Because I really don't get it.

Been flaunting my townie Darthe

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

If you like that, wait til you see what I do for my next trick.

I await with bated breath

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

I gotta ask though... @ Clov, what exactly has Darthe done up until now that makes you think he might be town. Because I really don't get it.

Been flaunting my townie Darthe

If this is your townie Darthe then you should seriously find a new hobby.

Nynaeve · March 11, 2015

"Pinging"

"subjective tells based on made up reasoning"

If I provided you with a thesaurus of buzzwords do you think you could fit five in a sentence?

Also, and this could be crazy, but what if the mafia were either already on my lynch or I was on their ass and they didn't want to be incriminated?

I don't think I ever wanted to be a vig as much as I do now.

Leelou · March 11, 2015

I gotta ask though... @ Clov, what exactly has Darthe done up until now that makes you think he might be town. Because I really don't get it.

Been flaunting my townie Darthe

No, you're not.

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

Oh am I supposed to be phased on how you voted Eldrick for a minute before switching to Barm?

It's called pro bussing, learn tactics.

On a more serious note, perhaps Barm is mafia.

@Clov, Nyn mafia odds?

Very low. She was my top townie coming into D2.

I gotta ask though... @ Clov, what exactly has Darthe done up until now that makes you think he might be town. Because I really don't get it.

Not a whole hell of a lot honestly. I'm not confident he IS town, I just don't think it's smart to treat him like outed scum. I did think he showed some reasonable progression towards the EoD1, once he got past the "trolling" phase; I thought he showed some good concern about Sili (maybe just trying to buddy me? I dunno) and I didn't hate how he approached Lily. I try not to get into the "too wolfy to be a wolf" thing, but I do think it's possible he was trying to get discussion going early.

MrsClov · March 11, 2015

Sili

Mrs.Clov

Leelou

Clov

Thane

Barm

Dice

Yates

Eldrick

Darthe

This is where I'm at right now reads wise. The order is from most townie to most scummy. Barm and dice are interchangeable order wise. I'm gonna have to ISO them both to make up my mind. But at this point it's not that important. Plus I'm kinda waiting to see more from them. I would also like Thane to step it up. My gut says town but until he starts shifting into gear I can't say for sure, so he'll stay in my POE.

I disagree with both Darthe and Eldrick being scum. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on Posts 7, 101, and 1060. I guess bussing is possible but it seems unlikely to me that he'd vote for Darthe three different times, especially when Darthe's the lynch leader. Similarly, Darthe voted for Eldrick on 1069. Given the interaction, I'd be shocked if they were scum/scum.

MrsClov · March 11, 2015

Sili

Mrs.Clov

Leelou

Clov

Thane

Barm

Dice

Yates

Eldrick

Darthe

This is where I'm at right now reads wise. The order is from most townie to most scummy. Barm and dice are interchangeable order wise. I'm gonna have to ISO them both to make up my mind. But at this point it's not that important. Plus I'm kinda waiting to see more from them. I would also like Thane to step it up. My gut says town but until he starts shifting into gear I can't say for sure, so he'll stay in my POE.

I disagree with both Darthe and Eldrick being scum. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on Posts 7, 101, and 1060. I guess bussing is possible but it seems unlikely to me that he'd vote for Darthe three different times, especially when Darthe's the lynch leader. Similarly, Darthe voted for Eldrick on 1069. Given the interaction, I'd be shocked if they were scum/scum.

I may need to recheck those exact post numbers. My formatting got all jacked up. But, my point still stands. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on multiple occasions and Darthe in turn has voted for him.

Leelou · March 11, 2015

Sili

Mrs.Clov

Leelou

Clov

Thane

Barm

Dice

Yates

Eldrick

Darthe

This is where I'm at right now reads wise. The order is from most townie to most scummy. Barm and dice are interchangeable order wise. I'm gonna have to ISO them both to make up my mind. But at this point it's not that important. Plus I'm kinda waiting to see more from them. I would also like Thane to step it up. My gut says town but until he starts shifting into gear I can't say for sure, so he'll stay in my POE.

I disagree with both Darthe and Eldrick being scum. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on Posts 7, 101, and 1060. I guess bussing is possible but it seems unlikely to me that he'd vote for Darthe three different times, especially when Darthe's the lynch leader. Similarly, Darthe voted for Eldrick on 1069. Given the interaction, I'd be shocked if they were scum/scum.

I may need to recheck those exact post numbers. My formatting got all jacked up. But, my point still stands. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on multiple occasions and Darthe in turn has voted for him.

El claimed to have voted Darthe before even reading his role PM. The continuous voting of Darthe could be him saving face. Just a random thought from my head.

MrsClov · March 11, 2015

Sili

Mrs.Clov

Leelou

Clov

Thane

Barm

Dice

Yates

Eldrick

Darthe

This is where I'm at right now reads wise. The order is from most townie to most scummy. Barm and dice are interchangeable order wise. I'm gonna have to ISO them both to make up my mind. But at this point it's not that important. Plus I'm kinda waiting to see more from them. I would also like Thane to step it up. My gut says town but until he starts shifting into gear I can't say for sure, so he'll stay in my POE.

I disagree with both Darthe and Eldrick being scum. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on Posts 7, 101, and 1060. I guess bussing is possible but it seems unlikely to me that he'd vote for Darthe three different times, especially when Darthe's the lynch leader. Similarly, Darthe voted for Eldrick on 1069. Given the interaction, I'd be shocked if they were scum/scum.

I may need to recheck those exact post numbers. My formatting got all jacked up. But, my point still stands. Eldrick has voted for Darthe on multiple occasions and Darthe in turn has voted for him.

El claimed to have voted Darthe before even reading his role PM. The continuous voting of Darthe could be him saving face. Just a random thought from my head.

That's fair. I forgot about the whole commenting/voting before reading his PM.

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

Post #7 was Alanna, and was WELL before Eldrick subbed in. I've got 710 and 1060 as Eldrick's votes on Darthe, with no third vote for him.

It's also worth noting that Zashara voted for Lily over Darthe, with this having been her stances on the Darthe:

Thought's so far:

Nyn's been the main person driving conversation this phase, and I don't want to vote her at the moment because more chatter is good. So, Clov keeping his vote on her makes me uneasy. I don't get AJ's vote on Clov at all. I'm really not a fan of Darthe jumping on the bandwagon for Nyn and switching to Sili a few posts later. I've got no idea of how he usually plays, but his posts come off as more disruptive than productive. Sili isn't pinging my scum radar as much as he was in the last game, and seems to be genuinely trying to find scum. I don't really have anything to say on the others. I've caught another infection and don't know how the next couple days will be, and don't even know what I was going to say anymore, so I'll leave it at that.

I'm feeling decent enough to post for now, and totally avoiding doing other things. I meant to search though everyone's posts but scrolling up and down is making me feel sick, ugh, so not gonna have as much as I would like to in this post.

Darthe's latest posts have been more productive than disruptive, but I'm still not sure what to make of him not bothering to read the thread. The stuff he's posted while I've been typing up this post has been mostly solid at least. At this point, I think Sili is more trying to be helpful with asking questions and posting quite a bit, and I'm not sure someone who is scum would put themselves out there as much as he has. I can't follow some of his logic, but eh. Clov not changing his vote until 2 of us mentioned it (me and MrsClov) is just weird, even though I like a lot of his other content. I like the logic used by MrsClov and AJ. I need to hear more from Yates. I know he's a new dad and said he wasn't engaged, but his lack of posting isn't helping much. Don't have anything to say about Verb, since I haven't been able to scroll back to his posts yet. I can see that Thane, dice, and Barm have all posted more content, which gives them bonus points. I still like Nyn's aggressiveness. Ummm.... I forgot about Leelou, so yeah, means nothing about her stands out. Lily stands out to me, as she has the least number of posts, or did when I searched posts, which is understandable as she said she wouldn't post much, but she also has the least content in her posts. I want to see what she has to say in response to some of the questions being asked, but right now she's where I would place my vote.

Sorry it's not too much, but it's all I have for now. FYI, I probably won't be around for a lot of the rest of the day.

Those were two posts that she made back-to-back (ie, she had no posts in between...obviously there was significant time between the two and content by OTHER people). She made this a little while later.

Since I'm awake at freaking 530am, I may as well do something useful.

[v]Lily[/v]

Aside from the repeating things argument, I noticed her deliberately mischaracterizing Darthe. I didn't see his response to SilI as weaseling but as sarcasm, and the other 2 she quoted were similar. I don't know where she gets the certainty that Darthe is scum from either. I just haven't seen anything to warrant that strong a statement.

There were other posts that she made involving him, but she basically went from finding him suspect, to not feeling so bad, to being the victim of a scumpush by Lily (we know this to be incorrect). Combine that approach with Eldrick pretty much running Darthe up a tree, I would agree that the two don't fit very well as scum together.

Clovdyx · March 11, 2015

You guys think my lit homework has done itself yet?

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