Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Leelou]

 

AJ, I need you...I have a bad feeling that Tina might be scum. Can we try to pool our thoughts together on the players? I know you still have doubts about me, but we can't be wrong again.

I know we can't be wrong again. The only one i'm sure of is AJ as he helped us grab Nol.

 

 

Yes, and I'm lynch bait for tomorrow. 

 

 

Time to go back to square one. BRB getting list of players and vc's

[Niniel]

Wow, that went quick. And oh. :(  I don´t even know what to think of that train. I thought Hally was mafia. 

[Leelou]

Wow, that went quick. And oh. :(  I don´t even know what to think of that train. I thought Hally was mafia. 

 

Are you scum? 

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

AJ, I need you...I have a bad feeling that Tina might be scum. Can we try to pool our thoughts together on the players? I know you still have doubts about me, but we can't be wrong again.

I know we can't be wrong again. The only one i'm sure of is AJ as he helped us grab Nol.

Yes, and I'm lynch bait for tomorrow.

 

 

Time to go back to square one. BRB getting list of players and vc's

As am I.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

AJ, I need you...I have a bad feeling that Tina might be scum. Can we try to pool our thoughts together on the players? I know you still have doubts about me, but we can't be wrong again.

I know we can't be wrong again. The only one i'm sure of is AJ as he helped us grab Nol.

Yes, and I'm lynch bait for tomorrow.

 

 

Time to go back to square one. BRB getting list of players and vc's

As am I.

 

 

Then give some analysis from a fresh perspective and lets see what you come up with. I still really don't trust you, but I'd like to see what you can produce. 

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

 

 

AJ, I need you...I have a bad feeling that Tina might be scum. Can we try to pool our thoughts together on the players? I know you still have doubts about me, but we can't be wrong again.

I know we can't be wrong again. The only one i'm sure of is AJ as he helped us grab Nol.

Yes, and I'm lynch bait for tomorrow.

 

 

Time to go back to square one. BRB getting list of players and vc's

As am I.

Then give some analysis from a fresh perspective and lets see what you come up with. I still really don't trust you, but I'd like to see what you can produce.

I don't trust you either. I'll look back through Red's posts as you've requested. You going to look at Tina's?

[Kaylee]

It'll be awhile though as my computer needs to be fixed so i'm stuck on mobile.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

 

AJ, I need you...I have a bad feeling that Tina might be scum. Can we try to pool our thoughts together on the players? I know you still have doubts about me, but we can't be wrong again.

I know we can't be wrong again. The only one i'm sure of is AJ as he helped us grab Nol.

Yes, and I'm lynch bait for tomorrow.

 

 

Time to go back to square one. BRB getting list of players and vc's

As am I.

Then give some analysis from a fresh perspective and lets see what you come up with. I still really don't trust you, but I'd like to see what you can produce.

I don't trust you either. I'll look back through Red's posts as you've requested. You going to look at Tina's?

 

 

After I compile the data on dead players. 

[Niniel]

 

 

Looks oretty good Tina, I can see where you're coming from.

 

One thing I would like to point out is that I could easily be wrong about Kaylee. The way she plays could be just a scummy townie or legit mafia who is just going with the flow. Me arguing on her behalf yesterday had a lot to do with my certainty that Leelou/Thane were mafia together but after the speed hammer I'm not so sure anymore. I will say that I don't think her and Leelou would be mafia together.

 

They could also both be potentially townies and the real scum are Hallia & Crusher or some other combo I haven't thought of yet. Either way, I don't think the lynch falls outside of Hallia/Kaylee/Leelou for today.

 

Aha. I didn´t understand that that was your reasoning for protecting Kaylee. I thought you had some kind of meta read on her. 

 

well there are a few things i want to point out.

 

Tina makes very valid points on Hallia as far as the town cred from the Nol vote.  to me, the only real town cred that Hallia gets is the lack of the ninja hammer, for the same points i made yesterday to Thane over it.

 

the lack of that hammer is double edged, either she's town and acted pro-town; or Leelou and her are scum together.  

 

in this case, her flip, not leelous would give the most info.

 

 

Verb flipping town solidifys many things for me.  first is, i'm glad i didn't tinfoil on him and leelou as a possible gambit.  but his points and push against leelou were legit, as was his little push against crush there at the end.  when Verb is town, he's a great asset; i'm going to ISO him tomorrow to see what info and see his reads with the knowledge of him being town.

 

his flipping town also looks worse for Leelou on the surface.  but in this event, recalling how events have unfolded, i think the fact that the scum targeted Verb actually clears her at this point.  Verb, at the end, started to back off Leelou, started to meld with her; and started to poke at Crusher iirc.

 

i'm also standing firm on what i said in regards to the Sili kill.   to me, this moves Leelou into null-town zone for me.

 

Yes, I always get worried when Verbal is alive to long. :D

 

I don´t think his death tell us anything about Leelou. If you followed that thought it would actually make her look more suspicious since she would have killed her while he had a good read on her? But I don´t think we can draw any conclusion about that. I still don´t agree with your Sili - idea either. 

 

Do feel better about tina.  She makes pretty good sense of everything.  Still have best town feeling on AJ.  Red is about equal to Tina for me.

 

Agree with Andre Halia/Leelou/Kaylee

 

I want to go back and look at all three. Like i said earlier someplace I got Halia and Kaylee confused in my head.

 

So I went back to look at leelou first and she has had a a very off game for her.  Not what Im used to her as town at all.  She is one of the four people in the game I do have the best Meta for.  Thats being said I looked back when I voted her and noticed it was on a vibe of her being negative of I believe I said on EDGE.  I also iso'd her (yes, I owns that skill now *firepower*)  Noticed she is bringing up and talking a lot about skull clubbing her boss with a stapler.  I know it's RL stuff and maybe not the best thing to go on but like it or not real life effects us here.  Just the way it is.  She did have some sketchy dialogue with Verbal including edging him on to post spidey pics and somebody called that a scum tell for her.  Not sure I ever noticed that before. I do remember her cheering on Vic at JN for spidey pics but never noticed a relationship with alignment.  Make a long story short not thinking voting her today right now.  I have to look at the other two and get them straight in my head. 

 

  I get busy around 3:00 so I may not get to it right away. 

 

So now you want to clear Leelou because of rl stuff? Is that what this means? 

 

 

Simply sharing my observations.  I'm like really good at it so just sit back and relax.  Not everyone uses silly repetitive regurgitated statistical analysis.  Im more of an artist who uses his gut feelings as his medium for creating my observations. 

 

 

Simply sharing your observations? And your observations says that Leelou isn´t mafia because of rl stuff? 

 

Tina I find scummy.  I feel like she is sniping more than making thoughtful cases (Pot meet kettle, I know, but that's how I feel. XD )

 

Red I'm getting a general townie vibe, she seems to be doing less bulldogging than usual, and making good points.

 

Well, I didn´t get the time to answer this. I feel like I have tried to have good reasons for my suspiciouns and I don´t feel that I have been "sniping" at all. 

 

 

 

 

So....how is everyone feeling about things?

 

Hallia today, Crusher tomorrow imo

Is this dependent on anything?

 

 

to me, there are only 3 people in my scum salad.  crusher, kay & hallia

 

 

 

crusher stated this

 

"Bascially comes down to Halia's actions during the Nolder lynch and Kays ninja Hammer.  Those are the two things that really stick out.  Plus Kay has really floated through the game, so that makes Ninja hammer seem a little more suspicious.  I usually have a hard time reading Halia but did notice her play around Nolders lynch.  Just not sure what play makes who look worse."

 

he's focusing on what gave hallia town cred on thread, while focusing on the scum-flags from Kay.  all while stating he doesn't have any reads on either of them.

 

it pings and its selective imo.  he's trying to appear on the fence with both of them, but the focus of his casings say a different story.  he's pushing Kay but doing a subtle defense of hallia.  all the while, at face value, leaving himself enough room to be on Hallia's lynch if needs be.

 

add into this, how he was acting on the Leelou push (which i've already mentioned) and Vebrs death; and now he's backtracking on Leelou.  it comes off as him trying to flame town-on-town violence by cheerleading Verb, then once verb started defending Leelou, killing Verb because the verb went from being useful to a threat.  and now he's capitalizing on verbs change of heart to Leelou, by following on Verbs coat tails and clearing Leelou.

 

 

add onto this, hallia's recent reads list

 

"Crusher - Null still, haven't seen anything to swing me either way

 

Kaylee - Having difficulty reading, but gut says scum."

 

 

she goes after Kay, but fence sits on Crush.   adding both of them together comes off as distancing from each other on thread.

 

 

out of crush and hallia, hallia's flip gives the most info

 

 

I noticed that about Crush as well. But obviously it wasn´t right with Hally/Crush. 

 

 

Wow, that went quick. And oh. :(  I don´t even know what to think of that train. I thought Hally was mafia. 

 

Are you scum? 

 

 

No. But I´m pretty sure you are. 

[Leelou]

Land of the Living

 

TinaHel
The Crusher
Leelou
Kaylee

Andrej
Red2111

 

Bring out your Dead 

 

dice - Lynched D1 

 

 

 

D1.13 Vote Count Final

 

 

Dice (6): AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)
Red (1): Thane (#259)
Kaylee (1): Leelou (#407)

Sili (1): Nolder (#420)

Unvote (1): Dice (#180)

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

dicetosser1 has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

 

 

 

Nyn - NK N1

 

Final reads

 

 

 

 

Town lean: Verbal, AJ, Red

Null to town: Crusher, Sili, Halli

Null-ish: Tina, dice, Leelou, Thane (conflicted)

Null to scum: Nolder, Kaylee,  

 

 

Subject to change though.... gotta read all of Nolder's recent posts properly. And finish some ISOing.

 

Nearing end of night, wasn't caring for AJ's posts.

 

 

Nol - lynched D2

 

 

D2.6 Final Vote Count

 

 

Nolder (6): Andrej, Sili Quirrels, Red2111, Kaylee, TinaHel, Hallia
Hallia (2): Leelou, Nolder

Not Voting (3): Verbal32, Thane Vakarian, The Crusher

Nolder has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

 

 

 

 

Nol's last thoughts on all players

 

 

 

Here's my thoughts on everyone currently.

Verbal32 - I think he's town. He definitely had a good start and imo Verbal's scum game is to lurk and argue a lot. I would like more insight from him but I know he's been busy and now we're on the weekend. Only thing I want to note on the chance that my read is wrong is that I didn't like the fact that he voted nobody D1.

Sili Quirrels - I have mixed feelings about Sili. The main thing I had going with him I was wrong about but there's other stuff I don't like (ex. Hallia seems Halliaish) but most of it could probably be dismissed as him just being a weird player. Also the fact that he says he was fine with lynching Dice but never voted him still bothers me. I'm still leaning scum though but I think I'm going to back off for now since arguing with him has become distracting. If he is scum I have no doubt he'll go on to show it more and more.

Thane Vakarian - Still leaning scum on him. I don't recall him posting since Nyn's flip so nothing's changed here other than the fact that I want him to post more.

Hallia - Still sticking to what I last said. I think Hallia is meeting her scum MO which is to hit and run and lurk until called out. Also her overall postcount/activity is very low. That's par the course as some have pointed out but when she IS town her posts are usually more meaningful than what we're seeing right now imo. Also she never responded to what I asked her last time she voted for me. I see she's made a few posts though which I haven't read so maybe she did finally respond.

TinaHel - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null.

The Crusher - Crusher usually isn't like your regular go to scumhunter. He usually relies on meta and gut instincts so it's not unusual for him to just joke around. That said he knows people know this and abuses that meta as scum. I believe Verbal noted this earlier which is another reason I feel good about him. Anyway if Crusher doesn't kick into gear he's probably scum. Null.

Leelou - I don't really remember too much from Leelou but what I do remember wasn't anything bad. I feel like she might be relying on Verbal declaring her town finally which makes me paranoid that they're scum together and it's all an act. Wanna see a bit more interaction with other people from her. Null leaning town.

Kaylee - Kind of the same case as Leelou in that I don't remember too much of what she's said but what I do remember I don't like. Particularly her vote on Dice. Actually that's the only thing that's really bugging me. I need to go back and check who it was that came up with the active lurking case first. I'll note to be fair that just because someone wasn't first doesn't mean they can't see the same thing and agree. But that said I WOULD feel better if Kaylee was the first. Maybe just need to see her making more cases on people. Null leaning scum.

Andrej - Completely null. I keep flip flopping on Andrej. Sometimes I feel like he's following other people and just leeching off their gameplay and then he gets more involved for awhile and then he falls back into the background again. Maybe that's kind of a good thing since when you're a loud mouth like me you just argue with people for 20 pages and get nothing done. Anyway I have no damn idea what AJ's alignment is.


Red2111 - Really worried about Red as I noted when looking at her vote. In fact, following up on that I think it's safe to say she's my biggest scumread. I'd like to see her address what I've said when she gets the chance.

 

 

 

Sili - NK N2 

 

Final thoughts

 

 

 

Not really easy to find, but looks like it was me and Thane for scum

Do you want me to kill Leelou tonight? I'd rather kill Thane though...

 

 

 

Thane - lynched D3

 

 

 

 

D3.3 Vote Count

 

 

Leelou (2): Andrej, The Crusher

Thane Vakarian (5): Red2111, Leelou, Hallia, Thane Vakarian, Kaylee

 

Unvote (1): Verbal32

 

Not Voting (1): TinaHel

 

Thane Vakarian has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

 

 

 

 

Final reads

 

 

 

so, i've been reading through the thread in an attempt to understand what has been going on. 

 

I don't think that Leelou would jump on me like that if she'd be scum. I know i will flip town, and she'd basically commit suicide as soon as i do. I doubt that she'd be willing to take a risk that big.

 

Red had me as a suspect and voted me before (even if it was to get me to talk). So, yeah, i found time, here i am and we'll see where the train ends. I don't think you're scum here. You, are town for me.

 

Sorry Hallia, but the way i see it, you know Leelou is town, and if she'd still be lynched and flip, it would look good for you. You didn't hammer for a reason. Part of you thinks Leelou is town, but you had your town chance to be sure. Your posts never could convince me your town this game (i read a lot of posts this morning)

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

AJ is lockclear for me, no doubt about that. 

 

Kaylee is playing, imo, a very townie game. I would be very disappointed should she be a wolf this game. On the bright side, i highly doubt she is. 

 

Verbal seems to be sincere town. No alarmbells, what so ever. 

 

Crusher and Tina: by PoE, last wolf is among these two. 

 

 

 

 

Verb - NK N3

 

Final reads

 

 

 

Last posted reads in thread

 

 

AJ

Red

Hallia

Tina

Kaylee

Leelou

Crusher

Thane

 

I'm considering moving Crusher and Tina.  Tina due to re-reading her, and Crusher based on how he's responding right now (plus how a Thane/Leelou lynched would clear him up).

 

Tentative changes:

 

AJ

Red

Hallia

Crusher

Tina

Kaylee

Leelou

Thane

 

 

 

Hallia - Lynched D4

 

 

 

 

D4.3 Final Vote Count

 

Hallia (4): Red2111, Andrej, Kaylee, Leelou

 

Not Voting (3): Hallia, TinaHel, The Crusher

 

Hallia has been lynched! Write-up incoming...

 

 

 

 

Final reads list

 

 

 

AJ - Lock Clear

Red - Due to overall play and casing

 

Leelou - Creeping down from town

Crusher - Null still, haven't seen anything to swing me either way

 

 Kaylee - Having difficulty reading, but gut says scum.
TinaHel - Sniping

 

 

[Leelou]

Current *Paranoid* Reads List (this time in order of town to scum)

 

AJ

Red

Kaylee

Crusher

Tina

 

I'm going through and re-reading Tina and Crusher to see if I want to solidify this list. 

[Leelou]

Points on Tina

 

- Clears Sili very early in the game

- Has weird dialog with AJ regarding Kaylee

- A lot of fence sitting

- No tunneling or doubting much of Verbal at all, easily called him town

- I keep bouncing bouncing around her list

- Overall feeling of unease I'm getting from her

[Leelou]

Now, on to Crusher. 

[Leelou]

Points on Crusher

 

- He wasn't really saying much in the beginning, talking about Boo Boo a lot

- I could easily see him bussing Nol early, especially if he'd get some lulz out of it

- Missing D2 makes it a bit harder to read him

- Felt like a lot of nulls after D2

- I've liked most of his recent posts, but after seeing both Thane and Hallia flip town, getting all sorts of bad feels from teh Crushlove

[Leelou]

I want to wait on finalizing my reads lists until getting some more input from other players. 

[Leelou]

 

 

 

Wow, that went quick. And oh. :(  I don´t even know what to think of that train. I thought Hally was mafia. 

 

Are you scum? 

 

 

No. But I´m pretty sure you are. 

 

 

Nope, just sitting here looking pretty. And clearly going insane. 

[Leelou]

S.O.S.

 

Send Help...

 

 

 

 

I've made friends with the natives, but they aren't a talkative bunch.

[Leelou]

Can everyone post a reads list? 

[Leelou]

I can go full on Tinfoil. I have a whole roll downstairs. 

[Kaylee]

Can everyone post a reads list?

Sure at this point I have AJ as town and everyone else as a possible suspect.

 

Ok getting ready to post what I found on reading Red.

[Leelou]

 

Can everyone post a reads list?

Sure at this point I have AJ as town and everyone else as a possible suspect.

 

Ok getting ready to post what I found on reading Red.

 

 

I need to see order and colors. 

[Andrej]

Everybody scummy.

 

I'm probably dead after tonight seeing as now I won't be lynched and nearly everyone else can probably have a case built on them.

 

Tina and Crusher may not be a bad direction to move in at Lylo. They've been kind of coasting along on easy street for me because they voiced suspicion of Nolder through D1 and D2 after I had already caught him killing Nyn.

 

Whatever you do, don't throw down any quick votes come Day break to avoid a speed hammer. If I have time I might re-read everyone but we'll see. Depends if we're still in Night by then and I don't really have time to with having to leave for work in a few.

[Andrej]

On Tina and Crusher their observations could've easily been because they already knew Nolder was scum. Some mafia have a hard time not pointing out the behavior of their partners they think is sketchy that others miss. Those meta reads could've been too accurate, so to speak.

 

Overall I think town has played sort of sloppy and partially I'm to blame for that for getting ahead of myself once I had Nolder in the bag.

[Kaylee]

Red

 

- When Dice moved firmly into her scum pile D1 she didn't switch her vote. At the time she was voting Thane for being the scummiest poster and for pressure.

 

- I confronted her on it and she said you can pressure without a vote. True but she didn't really do that. She pointed out his voting based off her joke post and that the timing of it was off. She also moved him into her firm scum pile. She also did she didn't like the interacting between him and Sili. That's not much pressure for someone firmly in your scum pile.

 

- Her comment to AJ about him posting from a QT. She clears Verb for saying it's "a potshot that has no grounding in actual scum hunting" and that AJ isn't a noob. When I say it has been disproved and explain why I'm latching into it and it's "opportunistic as hell". Yes I said it after but was still making a point. (Weak reason but it stood out to me.)

 

- D4 she said Hally would give more info than Leelou. Red: Why is that? What info did we gain?

 

- She cleared Leelou since Verb was starting to meld with Leelou. I don't think that's a valid reason to clear her at all. Verb and AJ were both town reads on everyone's list so it makes sense that Verb was picked.

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

Can everyone post a reads list?

Sure at this point I have AJ as town and everyone else as a possible suspect.

 

Ok getting ready to post what I found on reading Red.

I need to see order and colors.

Does that mean you'll do one too?