Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

Meant willing to vote Thane.

Kaylee still just going with the flow.

No I've had him as possible scum.

Do you have complete conviction on someone that you can follow through on and not follow the flow of the game?

I'm still leaning on you bring possible scum just less sure. Thane I've had as possible scum, yes it's been null to scum but still not town. Hally is the other one that hasn't sounded town to me.

 

I've been swayed a lot this game I admit.

 

I'd be willing to vote Leelou or a Thane.

 

Feeling more confident about Thane than Leelou.

 

 

Prove to me, on your own, that I'm scum. 

[Thane Vakarian]

It's better to be done with it and learn what can be learned from my townflip.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'd be easier to use everybodies reads and try to build a case on Kaylee, which could get a few votes, but i doubt she's wolf and we're looking the wrong way.

[Leelou]

i'd be easier to use everybodies reads and try to build a case on Kaylee, which could get a few votes, but i doubt she's wolf and we're looking the wrong way.

 

Why do you doubt that she is a wolf? 

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

 

Meant willing to vote Thane.

Kaylee still just going with the flow.

No I've had him as possible scum.

How? Your first few lists had him as "I need to look into him", and you didn't waver on that until people started pushing on him a little. Then he went into the "null to scum" pile for you, and that's basically the last I can see about him from you.

 

Can you see how this looks weird? You're not offering a single case on your own, even though you've been active in the thread. That tells me you're afraid to stick your neck out.

I know it looks bad I admitted earlier that i've come across scummy. I've had a herd time reading some this game.

 

Anyway when I said I've had Thane as possible scum I meant the null to scum read.

 

I have done my best at casing this game. Most of what I've noticed had already been pointed out.

[Red2111]

Red, why are you saying the Sili kill was a "flub"?  Scum might have thought he was Doc hinting, and assumed he'd be protecting AJ and shot him.

 

If you think about it like that, it was a very good NK, as it likely means AJ is completely unprotected.

 

 

Without a protection role, our Cop is vulnerable.

 

we have a claimed tracker (AJ) and Nyn was a 1x watcher iirc.   sili had 2 1x roles, both were protection based.   i'm thinking that theres another healer floating around so i'm not worried.

 

i'd agree with you about healer hunting, except for this situation.  Sili being killed, either by a re-direct or direct kill, is a move by a weak scum team.

 

even with the bit of town cred Sili got from Nol going at him, he was still a good mis-lynch candidate.  imo, a good enough scum would have NKd a vocal town leader or a townie that would give no info and come out balls to the walls against Sili with a CC and claim Nol and Sili were distancing and try to get him lynched.

 

given Sili's performance,and depending on how the scum worded it as well as who CC'd Sili, people would be most likely to side against Sili.

 

weak scum would prefer to take a shot on the off chance that was a hint and not risk it.  experienced scum would have seen the opportunity and not wasted a kill on an easy mis-lynch.

 

as scum, you shoot yourself in the foot by NKing your easy mis-lynches. especially when Sili's post came off less as a hint and more as a "directing the healer"; which would have made a mislynch against him and case even easier tbh.

[Andrej]

Clearing players from NK spec is a terrible idea. No one knows why Sili was targeted unless you're in that QT so let's keep the discussion on it down.

 

I'm willing to hammer Thane at this point and call the bluff.

[Kaylee]

So, up until AJ said Nol was found visiting Nolder, Kay had Nolder as town and then hopped on the Nolder train seeing as that was the only thing to do.

No. I'm town not scum. I did have him as town then said I was less sure. I don't read everyone well or perfectly. I've already said how I've had a hard time this game.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

i'd be easier to use everybodies reads and try to build a case on Kaylee, which could get a few votes, but i doubt she's wolf and we're looking the wrong way.

 

Why do you doubt that she is a wolf? 

 

i dunno. It's not that i doubt her ability playing as a wolf, she can manage. I think she'd be a little more out there, more aggresive, as a wolf. The smile/nod/sheep doesn't seem like her wolfplay to me.

[Andrej]

Gonna call it now.

 

Thane flips wolf and tomorrow Leelou uses his town read on Kaylee to push her lynch.

[Red2111]

i'd be easier to use everybodies reads and try to build a case on Kaylee, which could get a few votes, but i doubt she's wolf and we're looking the wrong way.

 

so ...  you want us to build a case on kay cause she's easier to case than you ...  but you think shes town  o.0

[Red2111]

Gonna call it now.

 

Thane flips wolf and tomorrow Leelou uses his town read on Kaylee to push her lynch.

 

i think tbh as many people that have Kay in their scum salad, a train on her tomorrow to see how she reacts to vote-pressure is warranted.

 

and this a bit snarky of you AJ, Leelou's been going at Kay since late D1, i think she'd go at Kay regardless of who was lynch and how they flipped today.

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meant willing to vote Thane.

Kaylee still just going with the flow.

No I've had him as possible scum.

Do you have complete conviction on someone that you can follow through on and not follow the flow of the game?

I'm still leaning on you bring possible scum just less sure. Thane I've had as possible scum, yes it's been null to scum but still not town. Hally is the other one that hasn't sounded town to me.

 

I've been swayed a lot this game I admit.

 

I'd be willing to vote Leelou or a Thane.

 

Feeling more confident about Thane than Leelou.

Prove to me, on your own, that I'm scum.

I've said I was less sure of you. I've looked through your posts before remember? That's when I thought I had found you in a lie. And before you say it I know I didn't. Hence the word thought. I've also said it's partly POE and gut. Can't prove that.

 

I'm trying to help my team, which is town, by making the best choice with my votes to catch scum. Since i haven't been able to make cases that haven't already been made I've been listening to others. I've taken what they have to say and looking at it to see if I agree or not.

[Thane Vakarian]

it would have been something i could have done Red, not you (in general). But, as i said, i doubt she's wolf.

[Leelou]

Gonna call it now.

 

Thane flips wolf and tomorrow Leelou uses his town read on Kaylee to push her lynch.

 

Dude, I've been calling Kaylee scum all game. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Gonna call it now.

 

Thane flips wolf and tomorrow Leelou uses his town read on Kaylee to push her lynch.

nice theory, but... nope... If you want to call my bluff, be my guest. No happy town feeling in dead thread though, just stale beer

[Red2111]

it would have been something i could have done Red, not you (in general). But, as i said, i doubt she's wolf.

 

this ... this makes no sense.

 

if you think she's town why would you even entertain making a case on Kay or asking others to do so?

[Kaylee]

 

 

Gonna call it now.

 

Thane flips wolf and tomorrow Leelou uses his town read on Kaylee to push her lynch.

i think tbh as many people that have Kay in their scum salad, a train on her tomorrow to see how she reacts to vote-pressure is warranted.

 

and this a bit snarky of you AJ, Leelou's been going at Kay since late D1, i think she'd go at Kay regardless of who was lynch and how they flipped today.

I agree with what Red says here about Leelou

[Thane Vakarian]

it would have been something to prevent myself from getting lynched.... nevermind....

[Red2111]

it would have been something to prevent myself from getting lynched.... nevermind....

 

so you would force a case on someone in your lawk clear list to save your own hide from being lynched instead of casing and going at someone in your scum salad

 

said no townie ever

[Kaylee]

 

 

i'd be easier to use everybodies reads and try to build a case on Kaylee, which could get a few votes, but i doubt she's wolf and we're looking the wrong way.

so ... you want us to build a case on kay cause she's easier to case than you ... but you think shes town o.0

Yeah that makes no sense.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

[Andrej]

 

Gonna call it now.

Thane flips wolf and tomorrow Leelou uses his town read on Kaylee to push her lynch.

 

 

i think tbh as many people that have Kay in their scum salad, a train on her tomorrow to see how she reacts to vote-pressure is warranted.

 

and this a bit snarky of you AJ, Leelou's been going at Kay since late D1, i think she'd go at Kay regardless of who was lynch and how they flipped today.

I can imagine how it'll go:

 

Votes pile onto Kaylee. One way or another she reacts "badly" to it and points are reiterated from previous posts about her voting record and tendency to follow others (which is neutral in this case)

 

She gets lynched.

 

She flips town.

 

Everyone continues chasing their tails while the REAL scum sit back and watch. I've seen it too many times.

 

I don't care if it sounds snarky. The reason Leelou has been calling her scum since D1 is because Kaylee is an easy target as a townie! She's latched on and can't let go at this point because too many players have been more or less taken out of the lynch pool.

[Red2111]

@ everyone, thougths on Thanes words here before he flips?

 

 

 

i'd be easier to use everybodies reads and try to build a case on Kaylee, which could get a few votes, but i doubt she's wolf and we're looking the wrong way.

 

so ...  you want us to build a case on kay cause she's easier to case than you ...  but you think shes town  o.0

 

 

 

 

it would have been something i could have done Red, not you (in general). But, as i said, i doubt she's wolf.

 

this ... this makes no sense.

 

if you think she's town why would you even entertain making a case on Kay or asking others to do so?

 

 

 

 

it would have been something to prevent myself from getting lynched.... nevermind....

 

so you would force a case on someone in your lawk clear list to save your own hide from being lynched instead of casing and going at someone in your scum salad

 

said no townie ever

 

[Thane Vakarian]

you really don't understand me do you? ah well....

[Verbal32]

 

Red, why are you saying the Sili kill was a "flub"?  Scum might have thought he was Doc hinting, and assumed he'd be protecting AJ and shot him.

 

If you think about it like that, it was a very good NK, as it likely means AJ is completely unprotected.

 

 

Without a protection role, our Cop is vulnerable.

 

we have a claimed tracker (AJ) and Nyn was a 1x watcher iirc.   sili had 2 1x roles, both were protection based.   i'm thinking that theres another healer floating around so i'm not worried.

 

i'd agree with you about healer hunting, except for this situation.  Sili being killed, either by a re-direct or direct kill, is a move by a weak scum team.

 

even with the bit of town cred Sili got from Nol going at him, he was still a good mis-lynch candidate.  imo, a good enough scum would have NKd a vocal town leader or a townie that would give no info and come out balls to the walls against Sili with a CC and claim Nol and Sili were distancing and try to get him lynched.

 

given Sili's performance,and depending on how the scum worded it as well as who CC'd Sili, people would be most likely to side against Sili.

 

weak scum would prefer to take a shot on the off chance that was a hint and not risk it.  experienced scum would have seen the opportunity and not wasted a kill on an easy mis-lynch.

 

as scum, you shoot yourself in the foot by NKing your easy mis-lynches. especially when Sili's post came off less as a hint and more as a "directing the healer"; which would have made a mislynch against him and case even easier tbh.

 

 

I completely disagree.  If I was scum and thought I had the Doc found, I don't care if he's a potential mislynch - I'm pulling the trigger so that I can kill the Cop the following night.

 

 

Actually, have you noticed that the town flips have been 1x roles?