Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Red2111]

 

one other thing i dislike about Leelou, is how she's stopped poking at Verb.  she was getting her feathers ruffled by him rather a lot in D1, and has distanced herself from him since then.  same goes for Crushluv and her.   these two would have the best reads on her imo, so her distancing from them on thread and having minimal contact with them flags her imo.

 

I'm just going to make a point about this, because it's really freaking annoying me, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON FOR D2. Crusher was barely on and it's the weekend so Verb hasn't been on for us to have any dialog. SO NO I'M NOT DISTANCING FROM THEM. Yes, I'm annoyed by this. A lot. 

 

 

i wanted to address this before i went off for the day.

 

what i mean isn't that activity wise your coming off as distancing from them; its just that the way that Verb and Crush were going at you D1, i'd expect town-leelou to not let it drop and to have gone at them hardcore and still be going at them hardcore.  cause imo, if you were town you'd have them as scum for trying to set up an easy lynch on you and not have them as town for it.

 

you dropping it, comes off as trying to distance form their pressure.  (well more Verb's pressure, Crush was coming off more cheerleading and supporting verb's go at you, rather than havinga go at you himself)

[Andrej]

 

 

 

I have not caught up at all, but I looked at the OP to see who died D2........and I see Nolder's name is in bold red?

 

??

I don't understand your confusion.

Because there was no coroner info to say he was dead? Usually a red name means scum, but there was no "lynched DX or killed NX" or anything, so it looks like he's still alive?

 

I'm not caught up, so perhaps it'll become obvious.

I see.

[Red2111]

i think the most important bit that we can examine from Nol is this post in reference to the "who would the scum recruit".

 

its WIFOM, but out of everything Nol posted i think its the post with the most info we can use tbh.  take it with a grain of salt of course *nods*

 

the other posts i'd take a look at from Nol is right after he got a lot of on thread town cred and before he started going at Sili.  imo, this is were he would be most likely to get sloppy in his WIFOM.

 

 

 

 

So, who is the best mafia player? we fos them first I think.

What if they're town?

 

Kaylee, are you in? Who do you think are the best mafia players and most likely to be recruited?

Why don't you tell us what you think?

 

So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first. I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

1. "So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first."

That might be true if we didn't know this beforehand. As it is, whoever is choosing their recruits may have played off this exact expectation.

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

 

I'm on my way to bed, but I'll say this. Not a huge fan of this discussion really because I think it's a mountain of Wifom. But I'll add my thoughts regardless.

 

A ton of considerations could be taken here. First of all I disagree about necessarily choosing someone you consider a strong player. Not saying it's not an option.  When I was cult in the HP game in the WT I recruited Mynd and Yates which I felt would be my biggest threats...but it's definitely not the only option out there. Just take Red's game that just ended, where Verbal and I were cult. We had a bunch of strong players to choose from. We went with Sili. Why? Because we were looking to distance ourselves from whoever we picked. We've made a point of not recruiting Lee because people know we're friends. And we went with Sili because he inserts discord and because he always comes off scummy, so he would be hard to read. Plus he would have been pretty much the last person people would expect either of us to choose.  Another option is picking someone who reads you really well and that you prefer to be on your team. ie it's not necessarily about who would be the best pick skills wise, but who would be the best pick to avoid detection. There are many ways to go about it. And I'm not even gonna get into the whole reversed wifom that Verbal mentioned to me in Red's game when we were trying to decide who to recruit next... where he contemplated recruiting a close friend on purpose cause the other players would choose to believe that we wouldn't be that obvious.

 

I don't think this should be a focal point by any means. I guess it's harmless right now since we're on N0 anyhow... but it's not something I'm gonna rely on by any means cause the options are many. As far as I'm concerned scum was randed just like any other game.

This is a good post up to that last part. Whoever chose did so with a purpose most likely. I highly doubt they went to random.org and picked two names out of a hat. That said, I don't think we'll be privy to the reason until after the game is over.

 

Hello

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

Seems like you're piggybacking here. Granted the same could be said of me I guess but your post looks lazy compared to mine. IMO anyway.

 

Are you scum this game?

 

Also - [v]Nolder[/v]

Bone-chilling Bog just sounds scummy

Dude it really pisses me off that we all got flavor locations because I WANT to vote for the "places" I think sound cool but one of those places is my own lol.

I...I'm not going to lie. The flavor locations are probably going to influence who I vote for at least a little bit.

 

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

1. "Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal."

 

I guess if you were to look at such things in a vacuum maybe. The reality is that people have good games and bad games, ups and downs. Players who aren't so good have the most room for improvement. These so called "weak" players may surprise you. I don't consider anyone in this game a weak player. If you do you do it at your own peril.

 

2. "Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read."

 

People don't always do what you'd expect them to. Some people will do the stupid thing to increase their own fun. Because this is a game, and the way people have fun with it can differ (See:Timmy, Johnny, and Spike). Take me as an example in this very post. I already admitted that the flavor of the game is going to influence my gameplay somewhat. I'm going to try my best to find scum of course but if it comes down to a choice between two people I might go with the person who's flavor I like better because hey why not. To me it's fun. So yeah, uhh, I think in a perfect world you'd be right but people don't always do the best play so you're wrong. It's more complicated than what you'd like to believe unfortunately for us.

 

The variance comes from the original Mafia member's opinion on the player pool to select from as well as other variables they could've considered like past experience with certain players as Mafia together, who they consider threats in sniffing them out, etc. I doubt the decision was made based solely on the thought of who is going to live the longest.

 

For instance, even if we all collectively were able to narrow down to a pool of say 4-6 players we all agreed were 'strong' we could still be wrong on all of them (although statistically any random group of 4 should yield at least one Mafia) and instead of lynching Mafia we've killed all our better players more so out of paranoia that they would've been picked because of their skill level in fooling others.

Ok, well put. I take back what I said about the lazy post. You put more thought into it now and I'm ok with that.

 

As for what you said I'd like to add that who one person says they think is strong obviously may not coincide with what another person believes and we've got more than one person out there with reason to lie and manipulate our results so anything we decide as a group is tainted and unreliable.

 

A petting zoo!??!

 

Vote: Dice

This seems like the most sincere post so far imo.

 

 

 

 

this is where the focus is for me in regaurds to this post

 

"

1. "So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first."

That might be true if we didn't know this beforehand. As it is, whoever is choosing their recruits may have played off this exact expectation.

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

 

1. "Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal."

 

I guess if you were to look at such things in a vacuum maybe. The reality is that people have good games and bad games, ups and downs. Players who aren't so good have the most room for improvement. These so called "weak" players may surprise you. I don't consider anyone in this game a weak player. If you do you do it at your own peril."

 

 

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given this post, i think that Nol was trying to WIFOM the recruit discussion.  his choice to highlight "well thats what the scum might have done" in regards to recruiting weaker players and then his continued focus on the "weaker player" aspect pings for me.

 

theres also his choice of "i for instance wouldn't recruit Kay".  he didn't have to post this, and i think it was a subtle was to distance from her.

 

he also enters in a long and tentative narrative with Sili over this WIFOM discussion; which echos my point on Kay and her involvement on this discussion.

 

 

 

for me this is my short list for scum

 

Kay > Thane > Leelou > Sili

 

my money is on Thane and Kay being the last scum tbh.  i'm happy with a lynch on Thane, but would prefer one on Kay.

[Andrej]

Leelou is glaringly scummy at this point imo. Poor voting pattern, general lack of thread presence, linkage to confirmed scum and avoidance of those most able to read her. She's either scum or just having a really bad game. Which is more likely?

 

@Leelou When did Thane drop from "null null null" to one of your two scum leans?

[Verbal32]

 

 

I have not caught up at all, but I looked at the OP to see who died D2........and I see Nolder's name is in bold red?

 

??

I don't understand your confusion.

 

 

Because there was no coroner info to say he was dead?  Usually a red name means scum, but there was no "lynched DX or killed NX" or anything, so it looks like he's still alive?

 

I'm not caught up, so perhaps it'll become obvious.

 

 

Aaaaannnnnd it became obvious, lol.

 

Based on my D2 read and re-reading this morning's posts, I'm clearing both Red & Hallia.  Both were pointed out earlier (I think Sili pointed out for Hallia, and AJ for Red) - I can dig the quotes that convinced me if anybody needs me to.

[Kaylee]

i think the most important bit that we can examine from Nol is this post in reference to the "who would the scum recruit".

 

its WIFOM, but out of everything Nol posted i think its the post with the most info we can use tbh. take it with a grain of salt of course *nods*

 

the other posts i'd take a look at from Nol is right after he got a lot of on thread town cred and before he started going at Sili. imo, this is were he would be most likely to get sloppy in his WIFOM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, who is the best mafia player? we fos them first I think.

What if they're town?

Kaylee, are you in? Who do you think are the best mafia players and most likely to be recruited?

Why don't you tell us what you think?

So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first. I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13.

 

I think this approach puts the most pressure on people like nyn, but I think that's for the best. We just need to be cognissant that individuals who are good at being scum are more likely to be scum in this set up. Though this isn't to say we don't take out scummy players if we spot any.

1. "So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first."

That might be true if we didn't know this beforehand. As it is, whoever is choosing their recruits may have played off this exact expectation.

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

I'm on my way to bed, but I'll say this. Not a huge fan of this discussion really because I think it's a mountain of Wifom. But I'll add my thoughts regardless.

 

A ton of considerations could be taken here. First of all I disagree about necessarily choosing someone you consider a strong player. Not saying it's not an option. When I was cult in the HP game in the WT I recruited Mynd and Yates which I felt would be my biggest threats...but it's definitely not the only option out there. Just take Red's game that just ended, where Verbal and I were cult. We had a bunch of strong players to choose from. We went with Sili. Why? Because we were looking to distance ourselves from whoever we picked. We've made a point of not recruiting Lee because people know we're friends. And we went with Sili because he inserts discord and because he always comes off scummy, so he would be hard to read. Plus he would have been pretty much the last person people would expect either of us to choose. Another option is picking someone who reads you really well and that you prefer to be on your team. ie it's not necessarily about who would be the best pick skills wise, but who would be the best pick to avoid detection. There are many ways to go about it. And I'm not even gonna get into the whole reversed wifom that Verbal mentioned to me in Red's game when we were trying to decide who to recruit next... where he contemplated recruiting a close friend on purpose cause the other players would choose to believe that we wouldn't be that obvious.

 

I don't think this should be a focal point by any means. I guess it's harmless right now since we're on N0 anyhow... but it's not something I'm gonna rely on by any means cause the options are many. As far as I'm concerned scum was randed just like any other game.

This is a good post up to that last part. Whoever chose did so with a purpose most likely. I highly doubt they went to random.org and picked two names out of a hat. That said, I don't think we'll be privy to the reason until after the game is over.

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

Seems like you're piggybacking here. Granted the same could be said of me I guess but your post looks lazy compared to mine. IMO anyway.

 

Are you scum this game?

Also - [v]Nolder[/v]

 

Bone-chilling Bog just sounds scummy

Dude it really pisses me off that we all got flavor locations because I WANT to vote for the "places" I think sound cool but one of those places is my own lol.

I...I'm not going to lie. The flavor locations are probably going to influence who I vote for at least a little bit.

Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal.

 

Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read.

1. "Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal."

 

I guess if you were to look at such things in a vacuum maybe. The reality is that people have good games and bad games, ups and downs. Players who aren't so good have the most room for improvement. These so called "weak" players may surprise you. I don't consider anyone in this game a weak player. If you do you do it at your own peril.

 

2. "Basically, put another way, in what world does mafia let wifom level determine their picks? How is it pure variance? The best play is to play the odds and pick the strongest player you can that won't be lynched because they're 'too' strong to ignore. For us it's a way of narrowing the field, because the obvious players we can lynch just at a glance, whereas stronger players who people want to pick are harder to read."

 

People don't always do what you'd expect them to. Some people will do the stupid thing to increase their own fun. Because this is a game, and the way people have fun with it can differ (See:Timmy, Johnny, and Spike). Take me as an example in this very post. I already admitted that the flavor of the game is going to influence my gameplay somewhat. I'm going to try my best to find scum of course but if it comes down to a choice between two people I might go with the person who's flavor I like better because hey why not. To me it's fun. So yeah, uhh, I think in a perfect world you'd be right but people don't always do the best play so you're wrong. It's more complicated than what you'd like to believe unfortunately for us.

The variance comes from the original Mafia member's opinion on the player pool to select from as well as other variables they could've considered like past experience with certain players as Mafia together, who they consider threats in sniffing them out, etc. I doubt the decision was made based solely on the thought of who is going to live the longest.

 

For instance, even if we all collectively were able to narrow down to a pool of say 4-6 players we all agreed were 'strong' we could still be wrong on all of them (although statistically any random group of 4 should yield at least one Mafia) and instead of lynching Mafia we've killed all our better players more so out of paranoia that they would've been picked because of their skill level in fooling others.

Ok, well put. I take back what I said about the lazy post. You put more thought into it now and I'm ok with that.

 

As for what you said I'd like to add that who one person says they think is strong obviously may not coincide with what another person believes and we've got more than one person out there with reason to lie and manipulate our results so anything we decide as a group is tainted and unreliable.

A petting zoo!??!

 

Vote: Dice

This seems like the most sincere post so far imo.

 

 

this is where the focus is for me in regaurds to this post

 

"

1. "So the mafia recruits before the rand. Then the stronger the mafia player the more tempting the recruit is, so I think it's good to discern their allignments first."

That might be true if we didn't know this beforehand. As it is, whoever is choosing their recruits may have played off this exact expectation.

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

 

1. "Weaker players are still lynched if they're made scum, regardless of wifom. You understand what I mean? Because it doesn't matter as long as we have content to work with. If they're actually scummy, and not in the faux way thane or pral are, then they're scum and there's no getting around that. We'll notice them one way or another and so picking weak players is sub-optimal."

 

I guess if you were to look at such things in a vacuum maybe. The reality is that people have good games and bad games, ups and downs. Players who aren't so good have the most room for improvement. These so called "weak" players may surprise you. I don't consider anyone in this game a weak player. If you do you do it at your own peril."

 

 

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given this post, i think that Nol was trying to WIFOM the recruit discussion. his choice to highlight "well thats what the scum might have done" in regards to recruiting weaker players and then his continued focus on the "weaker player" aspect pings for me.

 

theres also his choice of "i for instance wouldn't recruit Kay". he didn't have to post this, and i think it was a subtle was to distance from her.

 

he also enters in a long and tentative narrative with Sili over this WIFOM discussion; which echos my point on Kay and her involvement on this discussion.

 

 

 

for me this is my short list for scum

 

Kay > Thane > Leelou > Sili

 

my money is on Thane and Kay being the last scum tbh. i'm happy with a lynch on Thane, but would prefer one on Kay.

Except I'm not on Nol's team.

[Verbal32]

My top 2 are Leelou & Kaylee.  I've seen more town from Kaylee from when I first suspected her, but I don't have a better replacement yet for that #2 spot.

 

As for Leelou.....well, she's trying to fight about not distancing from me because I wasn't around to post.  While that is somewhat true, she's focusing on a small detail to dismiss the whole case.

 

Having Thane as a scum lean when before he wasn't (and he has like zero content in between) is really suspicious.

[Verbal32]

Kaylee responding pretty well to Red's badgering, btw.

[Leelou]

 

 

one other thing i dislike about Leelou, is how she's stopped poking at Verb.  she was getting her feathers ruffled by him rather a lot in D1, and has distanced herself from him since then.  same goes for Crushluv and her.   these two would have the best reads on her imo, so her distancing from them on thread and having minimal contact with them flags her imo.

 

I'm just going to make a point about this, because it's really freaking annoying me, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON FOR D2. Crusher was barely on and it's the weekend so Verb hasn't been on for us to have any dialog. SO NO I'M NOT DISTANCING FROM THEM. Yes, I'm annoyed by this. A lot. 

 

 

i wanted to address this before i went off for the day.

 

what i mean isn't that activity wise your coming off as distancing from them; its just that the way that Verb and Crush were going at you D1, i'd expect town-leelou to not let it drop and to have gone at them hardcore and still be going at them hardcore.  cause imo, if you were town you'd have them as scum for trying to set up an easy lynch on you and not have them as town for it.

 

you dropping it, comes off as trying to distance form their pressure.  (well more Verb's pressure, Crush was coming off more cheerleading and supporting verb's go at you, rather than havinga go at you himself)

 

 

I was reading them as town, and not really in a mood to get in an argument with them yet. Plus, they haven't really done anything to engage me. 

[Leelou]

Leelou is glaringly scummy at this point imo. Poor voting pattern, general lack of thread presence, linkage to confirmed scum and avoidance of those most able to read her. She's either scum or just having a really bad game. Which is more likely?

 

@Leelou When did Thane drop from "null null null" to one of your two scum leans?

 

After the Nolder flip I've been reading more people as town due to voting and posts and he's not fitting there. PoE. 

[Leelou]

My top 2 are Leelou & Kaylee.  I've seen more town from Kaylee from when I first suspected her, but I don't have a better replacement yet for that #2 spot.

 

As for Leelou.....well, she's trying to fight about not distancing from me because I wasn't around to post.  While that is somewhat true, she's focusing on a small detail to dismiss the whole case.

 

Having Thane as a scum lean when before he wasn't (and he has like zero content in between) is really suspicious.

 

How about you ask me some questions? Engage me, honey. 

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

one other thing i dislike about Leelou, is how she's stopped poking at Verb.  she was getting her feathers ruffled by him rather a lot in D1, and has distanced herself from him since then.  same goes for Crushluv and her.   these two would have the best reads on her imo, so her distancing from them on thread and having minimal contact with them flags her imo.

 

I'm just going to make a point about this, because it's really freaking annoying me, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON FOR D2. Crusher was barely on and it's the weekend so Verb hasn't been on for us to have any dialog. SO NO I'M NOT DISTANCING FROM THEM. Yes, I'm annoyed by this. A lot. 

 

 

i wanted to address this before i went off for the day.

 

what i mean isn't that activity wise your coming off as distancing from them; its just that the way that Verb and Crush were going at you D1, i'd expect town-leelou to not let it drop and to have gone at them hardcore and still be going at them hardcore.  cause imo, if you were town you'd have them as scum for trying to set up an easy lynch on you and not have them as town for it.

 

you dropping it, comes off as trying to distance form their pressure.  (well more Verb's pressure, Crush was coming off more cheerleading and supporting verb's go at you, rather than havinga go at you himself)

 

 

I was reading them as town, and not really in a mood to get in an argument with them yet. Plus, they haven't really done anything to engage me. 

 

 

Other than hound you for the majority of D1?  All you did was get annoyed with me.

[Verbal32]

 

Leelou is glaringly scummy at this point imo. Poor voting pattern, general lack of thread presence, linkage to confirmed scum and avoidance of those most able to read her. She's either scum or just having a really bad game. Which is more likely?

 

@Leelou When did Thane drop from "null null null" to one of your two scum leans?

 

After the Nolder flip I've been reading more people as town due to voting and posts and he's not fitting there. PoE. 

 

 

While this isn't a bad response, the problem for me is that it is the easy route - drop Thane and offer him for sacrifice (if you're on his team).

 

Actually, I wouldn't be opposed to a Thane lynch to better triangulate you.

[Andrej]

I agree. That was basically the only way to respond to that question positively so I figured that would be her answer.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

one other thing i dislike about Leelou, is how she's stopped poking at Verb.  she was getting her feathers ruffled by him rather a lot in D1, and has distanced herself from him since then.  same goes for Crushluv and her.   these two would have the best reads on her imo, so her distancing from them on thread and having minimal contact with them flags her imo.

 

I'm just going to make a point about this, because it's really freaking annoying me, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON FOR D2. Crusher was barely on and it's the weekend so Verb hasn't been on for us to have any dialog. SO NO I'M NOT DISTANCING FROM THEM. Yes, I'm annoyed by this. A lot. 

 

 

i wanted to address this before i went off for the day.

 

what i mean isn't that activity wise your coming off as distancing from them; its just that the way that Verb and Crush were going at you D1, i'd expect town-leelou to not let it drop and to have gone at them hardcore and still be going at them hardcore.  cause imo, if you were town you'd have them as scum for trying to set up an easy lynch on you and not have them as town for it.

 

you dropping it, comes off as trying to distance form their pressure.  (well more Verb's pressure, Crush was coming off more cheerleading and supporting verb's go at you, rather than havinga go at you himself)

 

 

I was reading them as town, and not really in a mood to get in an argument with them yet. Plus, they haven't really done anything to engage me. 

 

 

Other than hound you for the majority of D1?  All you did was get annoyed with me.

 

 

Because you were hounding me and I felt it was unjust and yes, I let my mood influence me and you annoyed the ever living hell out of me. 

[Leelou]

I agree. That was basically the only way to respond to that question positively so I figured that would be her answer.

 

It's also the truth. 

[Verbal32]

Because you were hounding me and I felt it was unjust and yes, I let my mood influence me and you annoyed the ever living hell out of me. 

 

I might have to re-read that exchange, because I don't remember you explaining how I was wrong.

[Andrej]

 

 

I agree. That was basically the only way to respond to that question positively so I figured that would be her answer.

It's also the truth.

I'm not calling you a liar. I believe he's in your POE because you're running out of places to push

[Leelou]

 

Because you were hounding me and I felt it was unjust and yes, I let my mood influence me and you annoyed the ever living hell out of me. 

 

I might have to re-read that exchange, because I don't remember you explaining how I was wrong.

 

 

I think I just got annoyed because this is not the first time you've read me wrong. I was having a bad week. 

[Verbal32]

 

 

Because you were hounding me and I felt it was unjust and yes, I let my mood influence me and you annoyed the ever living hell out of me. 

 

I might have to re-read that exchange, because I don't remember you explaining how I was wrong.

 

 

I think I just got annoyed because this is not the first time you've read me wrong. I was having a bad week. 

 

 

I think we both agree that I read you exceptionally well as for as "soulreads" go.  Sure, I've been wrong plenty of times, but I think those times are still the minority overall.  And you're still just telling me I'm wrong, not how I'm wrong or where I should be looking.  AKA, you're not teaming up with me - you're giving me the obligatory "engage me" line, and saying that I'm wrong in my suspicions.

 

I'm not lock-scum sold on you yet - I've been that way before, and I'm not there right now.  But you above all other players is giving me that 'bad feeling'.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

Because you were hounding me and I felt it was unjust and yes, I let my mood influence me and you annoyed the ever living hell out of me. 

 

I might have to re-read that exchange, because I don't remember you explaining how I was wrong.

 

 

I think I just got annoyed because this is not the first time you've read me wrong. I was having a bad week. 

 

 

I think we both agree that I read you exceptionally well as for as "soulreads" go.  Sure, I've been wrong plenty of times, but I think those times are still the minority overall.  And you're still just telling me I'm wrong, not how I'm wrong or where I should be looking.  AKA, you're not teaming up with me - you're giving me the obligatory "engage me" line, and saying that I'm wrong in my suspicions.

 

I'm not lock-scum sold on you yet - I've been that way before, and I'm not there right now.  But you above all other players is giving me that 'bad feeling'.

 

 

Okay, can we work it out? What do you need from me? 

[Leelou]

 

 

I agree. That was basically the only way to respond to that question positively so I figured that would be her answer.

It's also the truth.

I'm not calling you a liar. I believe he's in your POE because you're running out of places to push

 

 

I know I'm not scum, so there is that. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Where did thane go? He said he'd post more but I told him he was outed and he dashed.

[Verbal32]

Okay, can we work it out? What do you need from me? 

 

2 things are standing out to me:

 

 

1.  You avoided Nolder like the plague when it came to game content.  You chatted with him in the beginning of D1 about "breathing making me suspicious" and whatnot, and then you posted with him re: the ISO method.  That was it.  You never actually questioned him, nor he you.  Total avoidance.  I need you to help me understand why this is.

 

2.  You are harping on a minor detail with Red (about voting vs. voting due to a joke).  It smacks of arguing semantics, and you know my view on how that is a major scumtell.

 

 

 

Add to that the way you responded to my initial pressure, and Nol's flip......and you can see why you're my #1.  You've had some good posts where I felt better, but those 2 things above are in the way of me helping clear you.

[Verbal32]

Where did thane go? He said he'd post more but I told him he was outed and he dashed.

 

We could always lynch him.  He's in POE for multiple people, and anybody with fewer posts than me is legit slanking (I've been borderline).