[Advanced] The Scouring of the Shire - Game Over

[Niniel]

So... I'm in the hospital and the baby is coming tonight/tomorrow. This is probably the last you'll hear from me for a while.

 

I'm just going to assume scum is in Tina/Krak.

 

[v]Tina[/v]

 

GL Town!!!

 

Hope everythings goes well. Let us know! Exciting. 

 

Congrats, Yates!

 

I'm kind of back now. Pretty exhausted, and probably won't contribute much until I'm back at home and actually get some sleep. 

 

[v]Krak[/v]

 

His interpretation of the posts came off as very odd. The case he tried to make against Yates didn't make much sense. I agree with Alanna that he's just been cherry picking things to respond to. I find it interesting that Yates is still alive at this point, given that a few of us think he's town. Krak seemed to be attempting to set up a case against Yates in the previous phase, which is interesting.

 

I agree with you. 

 

@Tina

 

You were catching a lot of flak from Red and Yates side barred you which gave you time to get your footing.

 

So you think it´s me and Yates that are mafia then? You are wrong about me. 

 

I have had a town read on Zashara for most of the game and Wombats D1 behaviour makes me think he is town too. That kind of leaves Krak and Yates. I´m more sure about Krak than Yates. 

 

[v] Krak [/v]

[Niniel]

Oh, and congrats to you too, Zashara!

[Nolder]

Votecount

Krak - Zashara, Tina (2)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: Tuesday 11AM PST.

[Zashara]

Zasha, do you have any other scum suspects? Who are you solidly townreading atm?

 

The more I think about it, the more I can't read anyone as solidly town.

 

Yates - I want to believe that he's town, given his posts. Part of me does wonder why he hasn't be night killed yet though, if he's town. Is it because he's mafia or because the mafia believe they can set up a case against him or because they think he's diverting attention to people who aren't also mafia.

 

Wombat - His Sili vote is solid, and makes me the most confident town read atm. However, if the scum team was Wombat, Yates, and Sili, then it could be that Wombat voted Sili to a) make people think he's innocent, and b) downplay suspicion from Yates. Actually, that works for Krak as well, given that Wombat has been posting about his town reads on Krak. There was already a majority for Sili when Wombat voted, though Red and I took back our votes. I actually didn't realize she had unvoted when I did the same, so I wasn't going for any kind of gambit, but I expect y'all to take that with a grain of salt.

 

Tina - Don't have a great read on her. I think she's been trying to be helpful lately. Granted, the fact that she agrees with me is a bonus. However, if Krak is town and Tina is mafia, then this is a perfect wagon for her to jump on, as I'd come off looking way more suspicious.

[Zashara]

@Tina - I was really close to shooting you, but went with Alanna.

 

 

Congrats, Yates!

 

I'm kind of back now. Pretty exhausted, and probably won't contribute much until I'm back at home and actually get some sleep. 

 

[v]Krak[/v]

 

His interpretation of the posts came off as very odd. The case he tried to make against Yates didn't make much sense. I agree with Alanna that he's just been cherry picking things to respond to. I find it interesting that Yates is still alive at this point, given that a few of us think he's town. Krak seemed to be attempting to set up a case against Yates in the previous phase, which is interesting.

 

I'm not really sure what to say to that.

 

 

 

Krak - are you claiming a vigilante role here? Given your suspicions of Alanna in the previous phase, it would make sense for you to kill her in the night phase. Can you elaborate on this more?

[Zashara]

Oh, and congrats to you too, Zashara!

 

Thanks! Still lacking a ton of sleep and need to catch up on work, but decided to catch up here instead.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

@Tina - I was really close to shooting you, but went with Alanna.

 

 

Congrats, Yates!

 

I'm kind of back now. Pretty exhausted, and probably won't contribute much until I'm back at home and actually get some sleep. 

 

[v]Krak[/v]

 

His interpretation of the posts came off as very odd. The case he tried to make against Yates didn't make much sense. I agree with Alanna that he's just been cherry picking things to respond to. I find it interesting that Yates is still alive at this point, given that a few of us think he's town. Krak seemed to be attempting to set up a case against Yates in the previous phase, which is interesting.

 

I'm not really sure what to say to that.

 

 

 

Krak - are you claiming a vigilante role here? Given your suspicions of Alanna in the previous phase, it would make sense for you to kill her in the night phase. Can you elaborate on this more?

 

Sorry, I thought it was obvious but I'll state it clearly since this is mafia:

 

 

I used a 1x shot on Alanna last night.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Congrats, Yates!

 

I'm kind of back now. Pretty exhausted, and probably won't contribute much until I'm back at home and actually get some sleep. 

 

[v]Krak[/v]

 

His interpretation of the posts came off as very odd. The case he tried to make against Yates didn't make much sense. I agree with Alanna that he's just been cherry picking things to respond to. I find it interesting that Yates is still alive at this point, given that a few of us think he's town. Krak seemed to be attempting to set up a case against Yates in the previous phase, which is interesting.

 

I agree with you. 

 

@Tina

 

You were catching a lot of flak from Red and Yates side barred you which gave you time to get your footing.

 

So you think it´s me and Yates that are mafia then? You are wrong about me. 

 

I have had a town read on Zashara for most of the game and Wombats D1 behaviour makes me think he is town too. That kind of leaves Krak and Yates. I´m more sure about Krak than Yates. 

 

[v] Krak [/v]

 

It was a comment on gameplay, nothing more.  Notice how I haven't voted for Yates since that one time D1?

 

 

Why are you town reading Zasha and what specifically about Wombat's D1 behavior makes you think he is town?

[Krakalakachkn]

Dammit.

 

I hate that deadline is so close with Yates out of commission.  

 

 

@Mod - Any chance of an extension?

[Krakalakachkn]

Wombat - His Sili vote is solid, and makes me the most confident town read atm. However, if the scum team was Wombat, Yates, and Sili, then it could be that Wombat voted Sili to a) make people think he's innocent, and b) downplay suspicion from Yates. Actually, that works for Krak as well, given that Wombat has been posting about his town reads on Krak. There was already a majority for Sili when Wombat voted, though Red and I took back our votes. I actually didn't realize she had unvoted when I did the same, so I wasn't going for any kind of gambit, but I expect y'all to take that with a grain of salt.

 

I'm happy someone else is entertaining this idea.  At least that you're saying Yates isn't clear simply due to D1 trains.

 

 

 

I think there's one scum out of Wombat/Yates and one scum out of Tina/Zasha.

 

 

I'm leaning toward Yates/Tina, but it's iffy for me.  Yates has burned me too often in the past and I have absolutely no measure of Zasha's skill level.

[Nolder]

Dammit.

 

I hate that deadline is so close with Yates out of commission.  

 

 

@Mod - Any chance of an extension?

Sure.

 

8PM PST. Same day though.

[Krakalakachkn]

Thanks dawg.

[Zashara]

[unvote]

 

The vigilante thing makes sense in a way. I need to think about this more, and don't want to lynch Krak quite yet.

[Zashara]

I finally made a spreadsheet to analyze votes and stuff, so here comes some rambling.

 

Wombat joins the Sili wagon when there are already 3 votes on it (Crusher, Red, and me). However, after Red and I unvote, he does try and change his vote to Pral. It didn't count because it was after the deadline, but had it gone through, then Yates or Pral would have been the lynch on Day 1. But, in the next few phases, a lot of people said they were pretty certain Wombat was innocent because of that Sili vote, completely neglecting that he wanted to change it. At the time, Krak has 1 vote, Yates, had 1 votes (if we count Arsis's switch), Pral had 1 vote, Red had 1 vote, and No Lynch had 1 vote. Sure it didn't happen, but this whole thing doesn't really sit right with me.

 

Interestingly, Tina and Yates have the exact same vote pattern. No vote on day 1, plus votes on Arsis on Day 2 and 3. However, Yates does vote for Tina on Day 4, though I wasn't sure where that came from.

 

I know I had some other thoughts, but I can't formulate them into sentences.

[Zashara]

So in terms of who thinks who are the remaining scum are, here's what I've got

 

Tina - Krak and Yates

Krak - Tina and Yates

Yates - Tina and Krak

Wombat - ??

Zasha - frak if I know.

 

I can come up with arguments for most everyone. Granted I think it's unlikely for Yates/Tina to be the remaining scum when he just voted for her (although there was an unvote soon after). Similar situation for Krak/Tina, as she voted for him in this round also. I think we're in lylo situation, so now isn't the time for scum to be voting for each other.

[WWWwombat]

I'd say I'm still pretty suspicious of Zashara.  I still don't like a lot of her apparent thought process and I get the gut feel that she's ramping up for a scum victory rather than buckling down as town.  I don't like how she said scum wouldn't vote each other at this point while at the same time implying that I might have bussed Sili.  I don't see how that is internally consistent.  For other suspects, I have Tina and Krak.  Tina is still remaining relatively wishy-washy like she often does early game.  A lot of what she was posted just seems kinda bleh to me, which I don't like at this point in the game.  Problem is, we're almost certainly at LyLo.  I need to see more from a townie at this point.  I still don't like how Krak is pushing at Yates.  It feels like Krak might be trying to put Yates back into someone's PoE (not that I'd personally ever completely remove Yates from my PoE unless he's mechanically clear).  That being said, I see Yates as the most likely of you to be town, so I doubt I could be convinced to vote him today.  I could easily see Krak being scum with Zash.  I'm conflicted as to whether or not Zash could be scum with Krak, but I'm leaning yes.  Tina could be scum with anyone except myself.  If Yates is scum, it could be with anyone cuz Yates.  That being said, I think this is town Yates and I'm willing to bet the game on it as of this moment (I will hate you forever if I'm wrong, Yates).

[Krakalakachkn]

So I'm about to go into surgery (very minor) and they've informed me that since I'm getting sedated I'll be pretty groggy the rest of the day. It sucks deadline is today, but I'll do my best to be around later.

 

For now,

 

[v]Tina[/v] as a placeholder just in case.

[WWWwombat]

gl Krak :)

[Niniel]

Good luck, Krak!

 

I find it strange that Krak and Yates have been suspecting each other before, but today they are not interested in lynching each other. 

 

Someone asked me why I think Zashara is town. I have liked Zashara since she has thought like me a lot this game. Arsis was town but I totally agreed with her case against him. Maybe not about the number of mafia but about the rest. 

 

I will trust my first feeling and will not change my vote. 

 

 

Claim: I´m a JoaT

 

N1: doc Crusher

N2: neighbourize Crusher

N3: block Alanna

 

Night 1 I choose Crusher since I though he looked most townie. That is also why I neighbourized him on N2. We got a qt of our own. Not that it gave much since Crusher just checked in once. I´m not sure if he was too busy or if he didn´t trust me. Last night I choose between Alanna and Krak. 

[WWWwombat]

JoaT huh?  Got anything left?  Not sure I like you liking where Zash is coming from.  Assuming you think Krak and Yates are scum, am I town by PoE in your eyes or by read?

[Niniel]

I might have something left. :)

 

I've thought that your d1 vote on Sili didn't make sence if you were mafia together. It's more Yates that is left.

I find it interesting that he and Krak have been suspecting each other until it became (what I assume is) lylo.

 

Need to go to bed now.

[WWWwombat]

lmk when ur back, Krak

[Zashara]

I was just laying out all the possible scenarios in my previous posts. Scum voting for each other at this point is not particularly smart because it's essentially lylo. Voting for each other earlier in the game is expected. You don't have to like my thought process, but it ain't gonna change anytime soon. I try and go the logic route, but when you have no information, that's not easy to do so you've got to lay out all possible scenarios.

Krak claimed he killed Alanna, and is the Vigilante. Doesn't mean he can't be mafia though. Another thought- weren't the Shirriffs bad guys during that part of LoTR?

 

Also, good luck with the surgery Krak!

[Nolder]

Votecount

Krak - Tina (1)

Tina - Krak (1)

 

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline: Tuesday 8PM PST.

 

[WWWwombat]

Worst LyLo ever.