[Advanced] The Scouring of the Shire - Game Over

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm reading Arsis as town here fwiw.

[Zashara]

 

 

RE: Pral, just went back and picked out some posts. The first one is what seems to be making everyone suspicious of him. I agree with his vote for Krak, which is partially why I've got no lean on him, plus someone who I'm highly suspicious of (Arsis) voting for him is ... interesting, to say the least. Also, I think it's a bit too obvious to kill the person who suspected you because it draws a hell of a lot of attention to you. Sure, there's WIFOM potential, and I've used this as a tactic before in mafia, so I can't discount it. It's also a good move to try and frame someone and get the attention away from you, which scum here may be doing.

 

Sili feels like town here. Plays a bit scummy and rash when he is town and that is somewhat what we see here.

Crusher's vote on Sili seems weird. i can totally understand if he has not played with Sili, but if he has and has seen Sili post before, then I think it is a bit opportunistic\\

 

Tina aggressive in the beginning looks good for her. 

 

Not very sure why a couple of people are suspecting Red here. I don't see the "hedging" in his post.

 

Yates seemed to try too hard to play how he plays as town initially. His later posts are more free and natural.

 

 

That is what I have so far

 

(Good, slow game :))

 

 

[v]krak[/v]

 

His Yates vote is out of nowhere. Also, he has some weird posts asking sili, combat why they are "voicing on the thread". Looks kind of forced.

 

 

[v]pral[/v]

 

When you don't make sense it's usually a bad sign.

 

How does who is voting for someone make a difference in how you are leaning on someone?  Scum vote for townies, scum vote for scum.  Only thing to gather from Arsis vote is it's probably for self preservation.  Has no baring on Pral's aligment.

 

 

They do, but Arsis voting for Pral without much explanation is just odd. I would expect scum to at least try and get the vote off their teammate and onto someone else at this point in the phase. That's why I'm neutral about Pral, because what I expect comes from my experience at TV, and how y'all play here is pretty different.

[Alanna]

I think Pral or Arsis are definitely the best bet for today, but I'm feeling pretty 50/50 on them at the moment. 

 

Not much else to say right now. I have a lot of townie leans aside from Pral/Arsis. Getting townie vibes from Zashara's recent posts, though I'm not sure I agree about Krak.

[Yates]

and all of that Yates is WIFOM and reading into the actions of a confirmed scum.

Let's revisit after a couple of games/in the Dead QT. It isn't "WIFOM," it's speculation - aka game solving. I'm all about trying to determine motivation. I start by asking myself what would be going through my mind as Sili's scum mate and work from there.

 

I mean seriously. Sili got hung out to dry with TWO VOTES. I'd be SUPER peeved if I were him - unless there was a darn good reason for it. I don't think it's a mistake to assume there was.

 

Yates is riding his fence.

What does this mean?

[Yates]

another interaction that sticks out is this, and is part of a gut ping on Arsis

 

 

 

is anyone around?

Wassup?

 

 

 

Right then.

 

I'm town tracker. People should get their votes off me when they come back so that I can hopefully prove my allignment tomorrow (if i don't die).

 

for who to vote instead of me, i frankly have no idea. I've been too preoccupied.

 

Yeah. I do find it to be a little too coincidental that Arsis just happened to be online at the time Sili was looking to claim.

 

Also, he knows this is a hybrid hammer game and EVERYTHING that entails.

Isn't this hybrid hammer? Whoever had the most votes goes.

So for him to vote for the only PR claim in the thread, even if he doesn't believe it, is negative utility. He's been on both ends of a Yates claim. I don't buy for a second that Town Arsis is going to let me get lynched with a Cop claim out there.

 

This also looks terrible for Arsis:

[sili] claimed tracker? What he claimed wasn't really important to me. He was obviously lying about it. I just wasn't sure if it was because he was scum or because sili does things like that.

So Arsis thought Sili was lying about his claim and WASN'T voting Sili.

Thought Yates was lying about being a cop and WAS voting Yates.

 

And this?

I still think Red was so certain about what Sili was planning because he was on his team.

I don't even know WHAT you are trying to say here, Arsis. This is a level of nonsense I haven't seen in quite some time.

 

The two people who look worse off from sili and pral and Pral first and myself second. I know I'm town so it's Pral. I still don't like Yates or Red.

Yeah. Obviously you look bad. But in response to the bold, explain to me why Scum Red doesn't vote for Yates to save Scum Sili. She was here to unvote... I'd like to see your response on record.

[Yates]

Let's revisit after a couple of games/in the Dead QT.

What? This should read, "Let's revisit after a couple of FLIPS/in the Dead QT."

[Arsis]

 

another interaction that sticks out is this, and is part of a gut ping on Arsis

 

 

 

is anyone around?

Wassup?

 

 

 

Right then.

 

I'm town tracker. People should get their votes off me when they come back so that I can hopefully prove my allignment tomorrow (if i don't die).

 

for who to vote instead of me, i frankly have no idea. I've been too preoccupied.

 

Yeah. I do find it to be a little too coincidental that Arsis just happened to be online at the time Sili was looking to claim.

 

Also, he knows this is a hybrid hammer game and EVERYTHING that entails.

Isn't this hybrid hammer? Whoever had the most votes goes.

So for him to vote for the only PR claim in the thread, even if he doesn't believe it, is negative utility. He's been on both ends of a Yates claim. I don't buy for a second that Town Arsis is going to let me get lynched with a Cop claim out there.

 

This also looks terrible for Arsis:

[sili] claimed tracker? What he claimed wasn't really important to me. He was obviously lying about it. I just wasn't sure if it was because he was scum or because sili does things like that.

So Arsis thought Sili was lying about his claim and WASN'T voting Sili.

Thought Yates was lying about being a cop and WAS voting Yates.

 

And this?

I still think Red was so certain about what Sili was planning because he was on his team.

I don't even know WHAT you are trying to say here, Arsis. This is a level of nonsense I haven't seen in quite some time.

 

The two people who look worse off from sili and pral and Pral first and myself second. I know I'm town so it's Pral. I still don't like Yates or Red.

Yeah. Obviously you look bad. But in response to the bold, explain to me why Scum Red doesn't vote for Yates to save Scum Sili. She was here to unvote... I'd like to see your response on record.

 

I hard bus so in that situation there is no way I'd not want to get sili lynched if it were me. If he unvoted it looks bad later on if Sili gets popped. In that hypothetical situation I'd love to get someone lynched day 1, especially if they slipped up. I'd tell them to claim something nonsensical so I can go hard after them in thread.

[Arsis]

Also, Yates' case on me is that I was online the same time as sili and that I know what Hybrid Hammer is and still voted for his fake claim and not sili's fake claim.

[Yates]

Also, Yates' case on me is that I was online the same time as sili and that I know what Hybrid Hammer is and still voted for his fake claim and not sili's fake claim.

Yes. That's a piece of it. You have a problem with this logic?

[Arsis]

 

Also, Yates' case on me is that I was online the same time as sili and that I know what Hybrid Hammer is and still voted for his fake claim and not sili's fake claim.

Yes. That's a piece of it. You have a problem with this logic?

 

Yes, I do.

[Yates]

I hard bus so in that situation there is no way I'd not want to get sili lynched if it were me. If he unvoted it looks bad later on if Sili gets popped. In that hypothetical situation I'd love to get someone lynched day 1, especially if they slipped up. I'd tell them to claim something nonsensical so I can go hard after them in thread.

Yeah. But you didn't answer my question. Also, Red *DID* unvote. So, according to you, Red did something you wouldn't do as scum but she's your top scum suspect along with the counterwagon that went to random against scum??

[Yates]

 

 

Also, Yates' case on me is that I was online the same time as sili and that I know what Hybrid Hammer is and still voted for his fake claim and not sili's fake claim.

Yes. That's a piece of it. You have a problem with this logic?

 

Yes, I do.

 

What's the problem with it? I'm showing a logical inconsistency. That's a really nice way of finding scum.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

Also, Yates' case on me is that I was online the same time as sili and that I know what Hybrid Hammer is and still voted for his fake claim and not sili's fake claim.

Yes. That's a piece of it. You have a problem with this logic?

 

Yes, I do.

 

What's the problem with it? I'm showing a logical inconsistency. That's a really nice way of finding scum.

 

How is it a logical inconsistency though? I didn't believe two people and can only vote for one. I didn't believe you twice as much as I didn't believe him. Did Red unvote? I'll have to go back and check.

[Yates]

Where did you go, Arsis? This isn't "The Old Man and the Sea." I've got you on my hook and the sharks are circling. I wan't my meat.

[Yates]

How is it a logical inconsistency though? I didn't believe two people and can only vote for one. I didn't believe you twice as much as I didn't believe him. Did Red unvote? I'll have to go back and check.

Yes. Red unvoted. You were there.

 

Also, I think you are lying about your motivation. Even if you don't believe I'm the cop, does that mean you think I'm being anti-Town? Nope. Not buying it. And I wasn't in the hot seat when I made my claim. So your logic fails again. There's zero excuse for you to claim that you disbelieved me TWICE AS MUCH as Sili considering Sili made his claim under duress. And, of course, the fact that he actually flipped scum factors in. And, of course, the fact that you aren't weighing that into your reads on Red and I is pretty disconcerting.

[Arsis]

I got way too much meat for you to handle.

[Arsis]

 

How is it a logical inconsistency though? I didn't believe two people and can only vote for one. I didn't believe you twice as much as I didn't believe him. Did Red unvote? I'll have to go back and check.

Yes. Red unvoted. You were there.

 

Also, I think you are lying about your motivation. Even if you don't believe I'm the cop, does that mean you think I'm being anti-Town? Nope. Not buying it. And I wasn't in the hot seat when I made my claim. So your logic fails again. There's zero excuse for you to claim that you disbelieved me TWICE AS MUCH as Sili considering Sili made his claim under duress. And, of course, the fact that he actually flipped scum factors in. And, of course, the fact that you aren't weighing that into your reads on Red and I is pretty disconcerting.

 

Yeah, you b.s. claimed a power role early on out of nowhere for no reason not under any pressure and you wonder why I don't believe you at all?

[Yates]

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

Thanks for the discussion. Now I know I'm on the right track. So is Pral or Krak your other partner? I mean, I don't know if Krak has the cajones to claim he thinks you are Town "FWIW" as your scum buddy but who knows.

[Arsis]

[v]Arsis[/v]

 

Thanks for the discussion. Now I know I'm on the right track. So is Pral or Krak your other partner? I mean, I don't know if Krak has the cajones to claim he thinks you are Town "FWIW" as your scum buddy but who knows.

It's you and I've been doing the normal Arsis hardbussing the entire time.

 

Except I'm town and it's just you and probably Pral. Remeber when I flip town that Yates is defending Pral by going hard after the next biggest town target.

[Yates]

Remeber when I flip town that Yates is defending Pral by going hard after the next biggest town target.

Tell you what - you flip Town and I'll vote Pral tomorrow. Right now, I just can't decide if Pral is really that scummy or being set up. Too scummy to be scum and all that.

[Arsis]

 

Remeber when I flip town that Yates is defending Pral by going hard after the next biggest town target.

Tell you what - you flip Town and I'll vote Pral tomorrow. Right now, I just can't decide if Pral is really that scummy or being set up. Too scummy to be scum and all that.

 

Hold him to this.

[Zashara]

Where did you go, Arsis? This isn't "The Old Man and the Sea." I've got you on my hook and the sharks are circling. I wan't my meat.

 

 

I got way too much meat for you to handle.

 

Thanks both of you for making me laugh with these statements.

 

 

 

Remeber when I flip town that Yates is defending Pral by going hard after the next biggest town target.

Tell you what - you flip Town and I'll vote Pral tomorrow. Right now, I just can't decide if Pral is really that scummy or being set up. Too scummy to be scum and all that.

 

 

Bold emphasis mine. Agree with that statement completely. Really would like to hear more from Pral though. His silence isn't doing him any favors.

[Red2111]

I'll catch up tomorrow. @ Arsis. For the 2nd time. I'm a chick. A female. A lady. A lass. A woman. I have hooters not a banana.

 

Yes my name is gender neutral, but my profile says my gender and its right under my picture by every post I make ;)

[Arsis]

At first I think you said you had hooters AND a banana. I got excited for a second was going to ask for your number.

[Red2111]

Lmfao