[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Cory Caboose]

Anytime, Sili

 

GLGL

[Arsis]

##Arsis

 

You've blown what suspended disbelief I had that you were trying to figure out the game. You're re-branding what is and is not wolfy in a vacuum to suit an agenda of throwing dirt on the town core -- while ignoring the individual behaviors of the players exhibiting them.

 

A scumtell in a vacuum is not a scumtell for every player.

 

Perfect examples: Salami and White Knighting, Salami and AtE, and Monstr and sheeping his townreads.

Yeah, but if you lynch everyone who does it you'll catch scum more often than not. I'm not saying to ignore the context. But, you can't ignore that it's not pro-town either.

 

 

There is no such thing as a town core especially on day 1. Anyone with more than a lean right now has too much information and is scum. If you say you know manbat is town that means you're scum. That's all I hear when you say you're sure of an alignment on day 1.

[Tommyrod]

 

##Arsis

 

You've blown what suspended disbelief I had that you were trying to figure out the game. You're re-branding what is and is not wolfy in a vacuum to suit an agenda of throwing dirt on the town core -- while ignoring the individual behaviors of the players exhibiting them.

 

A scumtell in a vacuum is not a scumtell for every player.

 

Perfect examples: Salami and White Knighting, Salami and AtE, and Monstr and sheeping his townreads.

Yeah, but if you lynch everyone who does it you'll catch scum more often than not. I'm not saying to ignore the context. But, you can't ignore that it's not pro-town either.

 

 

There is no such thing as a town core especially on day 1. Anyone with more than a lean right now has too much information and is scum. If you say you know manbat is town that means you're scum. That's all I hear when you say you're sure of an alignment on day 1.

 

 

Or I'm just lightyears beyond you when it comes to meta experience with players I play with constantly.

 

But it's cool, ignore context again. Not like this game has any context anyway. All posts are purely independent and should be read as such, and there are no distinct personalities in this game.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

##Arsis

 

You've blown what suspended disbelief I had that you were trying to figure out the game. You're re-branding what is and is not wolfy in a vacuum to suit an agenda of throwing dirt on the town core -- while ignoring the individual behaviors of the players exhibiting them.

 

A scumtell in a vacuum is not a scumtell for every player.

 

Perfect examples: Salami and White Knighting, Salami and AtE, and Monstr and sheeping his townreads.

Yeah, but if you lynch everyone who does it you'll catch scum more often than not. I'm not saying to ignore the context. But, you can't ignore that it's not pro-town either.

 

 

There is no such thing as a town core especially on day 1. Anyone with more than a lean right now has too much information and is scum. If you say you know manbat is town that means you're scum. That's all I hear when you say you're sure of an alignment on day 1.

Or I'm just lightyears beyond you when it comes to meta experience with players I play with constantly.

 

But it's cool, ignore context again. Not like this game has any context anyway. All posts are purely independent and should be read as such, and there are no distinct personalities in this game.

Yeah, how'd that work out for you on the last two scum sweeps on dm. The fact is that I've never seen it actually work on dm. If it worked I might actually get behind it but you and your "core" are 0-10 in your last ten lynches.

[Tommyrod]

More to do with DM than the core. Even if there's 2 or 3 of us, it's difficult to carry an entire town.

[monstrman]

I have no idea how sponging my top town read can ever be construed as -ev

 

I've given all my town reads

 

It's not like I'm not playing

 

I've never been a strong scum hunter and it's kind of silly that arsis is still tunneling on this

 

The funny thing is that the fact he is doing it so hard for so long makes me think he's weaseled his way out of his scum range and I think he's a villager

 

The funny thing about that is that he's tunneling and doesn't realize he's tunneling so no matter what I do or say he's automatically going to perceive it as wolfy because he wants to be right and confirmation bias is a real thing

 

 

 

I mean Jfc cory is laying out my meta on a platter for you guys and I am doing the same as well: these are things I do as town.

 

I try as hard as I can to get effectively cleared in the thread. To the people who know my meta well I have done just that

 

I have engaged every single person that is suspicious of me and quite frankly adaddressed every reason they are suspicious of me for example des said "monstrman reeks of posturing" and I engaged him asking him to find specific posts where eye thinks im n posturing and what happened? He ignored me and just said "meh you're wolfy anyway."

 

This is not effective town play. If you are not casing me with actual reasons other than "I've got a feeling you're scum" then I have approximately a 0% chance of convincing you, quite correctly I might add, that I'm actually a villager.

 

I mean cory and tom have said it multiple times. Perhaps my best skill is the ability to become consensus clear by a large majority of the thread. Sure I do it as either alignment but I do it much MUCH harder as a villager.

 

And yes, I'm sponging my top town lean. I don't have any strong wolf leans, and there is no way that is a -ev play. Purely from a mathematics standpoint you are more likely to lynch a wolf if more villagers all vote the same person, therefore the alliance becomes a thing and multiple (hopefully all) villagers band together and throw votes around to get information.

 

I'm not even being cased. I'm being "scumread" and otherwise ignored which is basically unacceptable because I have nothing to engage people on and no way to clear myself

 

Ita really irritating to be perfperfectly honest

[Arsis]

More to do with DM than the core. Even if there's 2 or 3 of us, it's difficult to carry an entire town.

You're better than dm and it's all everyone elses fault. Gotcha.

 

 

 

Adapt to the site? No, preposterous! Everyone else is at fault!

[monstrman]

And arsis arguing things like "you saying you know manbat is town means your scum" is doing nothing g but building a false dichotomy between us where one of me or tom has to be scum since we both "know" each other are town.

 

As villagers we HAVE to have the ability to analyze slots and come to a logical conclusion as to what their alignments are. That's the job of being a villager. Not everything in werewolf is unkown. There are very specific tells that you can pick up on that can essentially get you to "know" that a person is a villager even on d1[/b] and I would know because I've done it more times than I can even count

[Tommyrod]

 

More to do with DM than the core. Even if there's 2 or 3 of us, it's difficult to carry an entire town.

You're better than dm and it's all everyone elses fault. Gotcha.

 

 

Adapt to the site? No, preposterous! Everyone else is at fault!

 

Well, it IS kinda true.

 

Are you going to say this is wolfy or something?

[Arsis]

And arsis arguing things like "you saying you know manbat is town means your scum" is doing nothing g but building a false dichotomy between us where one of me or tom has to be scum since we both "know" each other are town.

 

As villagers we HAVE to have the ability to analyze slots and come to a logical conclusion as to what their alignments are. That's the job of being a villager. Not everything in werewolf is unkown. There are very specific tells that you can pick up on that can essentially get you to "know" that a person is a villager even on d1[/b] and I would know because I've done it more times than I can even count

No. What I'm doing is called redictio ad absurdum. I'll get the wiki link for you.

[Hallia]

Probably.

[Tommyrod]

And arsis arguing things like "you saying you know manbat is town means your scum" is doing nothing g but building a false dichotomy between us where one of me or tom has to be scum since we both "know" each other are town.

 

As villagers we HAVE to have the ability to analyze slots and come to a logical conclusion as to what their alignments are. That's the job of being a villager. Not everything in werewolf is unkown. There are very specific tells that you can pick up on that can essentially get you to "know" that a person is a villager even on d1 and I would know because I've done it more times than I can even count

 

Blowing this up because of how important it is for everyone to read.

[monstrman]

You can call it whatever you want and it's still wrong irt my alignment

 

Therefore your logic is flawed

[Arsis]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

 

 

If he knows your alignment this early he's scum. Any other explanation or argument is absurd.

[Arsis]

 

 

 

More to do with DM than the core. Even if there's 2 or 3 of us, it's difficult to carry an entire town.

You're better than dm and it's all everyone elses fault. Gotcha.

 

 

Adapt to the site? No, preposterous! Everyone else is at fault!

Well, it IS kinda true.

 

Are you going to say this is wolfy or something?

No, it's not wolfy. Why would I call it wolfy?

[Tommyrod]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

 

 

If he knows your alignment this early he's scum. Any other explanation or argument is absurd.

 

It's possible to know his alignment to a reasonable degree of accuracy through meta experience and judgment.

 

He's 99.8% a villager.

[Arsis]

You can call it whatever you want and it's still wrong irt my alignment

 

Therefore your logic is flawed

My logic is pristine. My premise could be faulty but my logic is always rock solid.

[monstrman]

I see arsis has become unreachable and refuses to see that his point makes zero sense, so there's probably no point continuing this argument. His stubbornness seems like it's his villager tell though.

 

I'm going back to work

[monstrman]

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

If he knows your alignment this early he's scum. Any other explanation or argument is absurd.

 

 

It's possible to know his alignment to a reasonable degree of accuracy through meta experience and judgment.

He's 99.8% a villager.

The .2% if the time I don't flip villager, I still flip villager.

[monstrman]

I mean obviously he doesn't "know" I'm a villager because that would be nonsensical. But he can analyze my slot enough to be able to comfortablcomfortably ( and correctly) clear me for the rest of the game. Which is the concept I'm trying to explain.

 

Just because he says the word "know" that doesn't make him a lock wolf

[Nynaeve]

 VOTE COUNT

 

 

Team Cuddles (1): Arsis

Tommy (3): Sili, Des, Lates
Arsis (3): Team Cuddles, Dice, Tommy

Berf (3): monstr, Key, Thane
 

 

Not Voting: The rest of you lot.

 

 

[Tommyrod]

Why is Des voting for me?

[Tommyrod]

Oh, as a joke.

[Arsis]

Berf has one post not going to be a very informative lynch.

[Cory Caboose]

Oh, as a joke.