[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[csarmi]

I gave her direct encouragement. And I never defended her.

 

Also @Alanna in no way am I wavering on my Hally read there.

[WWWwombat]

 

Salami - my vote on you has to do with how quickly you are changing reads if you are questioned. Example: me. Clov came all in here, said I'm scum and you jumped on it. Nyn was like wtf are you talking about and you quickly unvoted. You look like jumpy scum. I'm definitely not moving it after that whole bit with you hard defending Hallia. Des did nothing wrong that I can see. I love Hallia, but it can get frustrating when she isn't in the game.

Except i am not jumpy as scum. Don't you know that by now?

 

 

Why does every single one of your defenses rely on your own meta?  Why can't you just BE PRO-TOWN?

[csarmi]

@Alanna in no time did I act as if I were sure of Hally. Taking that from that conversation is absurd at best.

[csarmi]

Pretty sure Wombat is not town here.

 

Keep going dude you're outed to me. Was it worth it to have a shot at mislynching me? I doubt it.

[csarmi]

Gn all.

 

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[V]Wombat[/v]

 

In before he'll call omgus and all. Kill him with fire.

[WWWwombat]

You are declaring yourself town too much. Prove it to me, and not just by telling me your meta. That means nothing to me. Go show me why you think someone is scum or town for that matter. I'm pretty much ignoring anything you say regarding "oh I do this as town, so I'm a townie".

 

^town!Leelou

 

 

That ia not what i am saying though. I am saying that the actions you FoS me for are objectively townish.

 

I really can't show you I am town when you take towntells and interpret then as scumtells and vote me for them. Cause that looks like a sort of... language barrier if you get what I mean.

 

This is starting to sound a lot like how the Ape defends himself when someone catches him as scum.

 

 

I did not defend Hally. I intervened to ensure that she speens her mind.

 

You defended her.

 

 

Cause i can post it until I'M blue in the face.

 

And it still won't be true.

[csarmi]

I never defended Hally.

[csarmi]

Tommy am I going mad or do people really have trouble telling the difference between defending and encouraging/helping/mediating.

 

I mean one I'd understand but three? This is absurd.

[WWWwombat]

 

Des, if you want to waste your times quoting posts ive already read, be my guest.

 

Clov has been pinging since he came into the game. His tone is off. His "gambit" was lame. His interactions with me were meh. His following posts mostly involved him going after the newbie, which also doesnt make sense to me.

 

I've played with Clov as town. I've played with him as scum. Not only that, but I was with him in a scum team and got a feel first hand how he plays as scum. He will always respond to nudges and engage because he does that as either alignments. But he makes a ton more sense as town wheres as scum he nitpicks to make it seem like he's actively scumhunting.

 

I'm not buying it and I think he's scum.

So basically what you're saying is you're locked in to that scum read and pretty much don't plan on changing it any time soon?

 

If that's what you're saying, ...

 

 

 

I believe what she is saying is that she has a scum read on Clov and that only Clov can change it.

 

 

 

You're basically trolling me Despo by calling black white over and over again.

 

And I'm literally THIS close to post stuff that might earn me a board ban. So yes stop pushing this ty.

Despot doesn't negotiate with terrorists

 

 

lol

 

 

I'll just follow my town read.

 

You guya figure this out while im cooling off.

 

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[V]Clov[/v]

 

Sheeping Nyn mode is activated.

 

Ugh.  Are you ever going to take a stance against someone that isn't sheeping someone else?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I'm weary about Sili. His posts seem very confident and slightly condescending for someone in a new environment. Not using that to label him as scum, I'm just very weary and watching him. 

I'm always like that

[WWWwombat]

Okay forget about semantics.

 

Answer my last two questions.

 

Also tell me that its not pro town to help (defend if you wish to use that word) when you see that something isn't going right.

 

Do it.

 

Sometimes it is.  The way you did it was not and, to me, it seemed more aimed at getting town cred and garnering good feeling from Hallia than actually getting her WiM up.

[WWWwombat]

 

This is such a stupid thing to be arguing about

 

Wish I followed through with stuff I said like ever, can only imagine people catching up this are hating life right about now

I'm pretty sure they will be able to read through.

 

 

Able, yes.  It's becoming a major pain in the behind though.

 

 

 

Thread feels villagery this morning.

First stop. Thread did seem villagery. Upon reread too. Carefree chatter. I wouldn't be surprised if all participants were town actually. May even include Thane though he is way too obsessed with how he looks. Jury out on Sili. I can see how Hally might see spamming there tho.

 

 

Spam and fluff are not villagery.

 

 

Also i didn't see how Wombat waa being overdefensive but i tend to take Hally on her worda so it stuck in my mind.

 

Hally, what made you feel so_ any idea?

 

You usually take Hallia at her word?  How is this a good way to play mafia?

[Hallia]

I think he means, that I pick my words intentionally.  He didn't see how you were being overdefensive. 

[WWWwombat]

pg. 67.  Why the hell is Salami rereading?  Wasn't he reading when he was spamming up the thread early on D1?

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Csarmi lay me some truth down here

Just to clarify, I'm not doing this to be cute. I wrote my post on the last page and didn't see hers.

 

But this needs to stop because it's creeping me out. I've created an army of Toms.

This post. More of an approachmeld than a mindmeld. She said the same thing I did, though she was talking to Salami and I was talking to Clov. It's small but there it is.

 

 

xpost != mindmeld

[WWWwombat]

 

Salami, can you explain in detail, preferably in one post, why you think Halli is town?

 

Fearless.

Natural.

Engages me realtime while bone tired at work (she shouldn't try that as scum... ever).

Responds right to me this morning (only 93 cause she kind of half-ignores me there).

 

 

How are you reading Hallia as fearless?  She changes her vote anytime someone tells her it's bad.

 

 

 

 

Sili's OP felt like a forced casual post from an experienced player.  The joke about only scum claiming town and then saying he had wanted to be scum but rolled town with the eyeroll added in.

 

Thane for some of the tone things that Des seems to have seen.

 

As for you and Salami, I didn't like your hedge on Thane where you said that you might back off if others piled on.  Salami calling w/w on Des/Thane felt a bit chainsawish to me.

So, you base my scum lean on something that someone else might have picked up..... that's pretty thin imo. I'm more interested in your own personal opinion.

 

glad you're in the game though Wombat, been a while since we had a game together

 

This reads as a w/w interaction. Not just the hot and cold, but the "hey, it's been so long, we're obviously not on a team together!" type commentary comes from wolves more than you'd think.

 

 

If you're town, you need to stop chasing the mice inside your skull.

[csarmi]

Just lynch Wombat. This is not a town rodent. Don't. Forget. This. When I'm dead (you would so please lynch now). Ty.

[WWWwombat]

Hi Wombie-kun

 

Hi.

 

 

 

So are you seeing that manipulation here or can you not tell yet? I quoted his game-relevant posts a few posts ago on this page.

Yes:

 

 

I'm confused as to why Salami followed Clov and then unvoted before Clov clarified what he was trying to do.

@Verb yes that's what it means.

 

Is your post there answering mine above?

 

 

 

 

 

I'm confused as to why Salami followed Clov and then unvoted before Clov clarified what he was trying to do.

I followed Clov cause i thought we saw the same thing there. Then i read back up and it turned out i remembered wrong.

 

Then came Clov and explained he didn't see that either.

 

Throwing kindle on fire are we?

 

 

No, asking questions.  You were pretty quick to jump on that vote, and it made me wonder.  I'm curious as to what Leelou thinks about this, actually.

 

See the two sentences in red.

 

First: unlikely that he'd be confused there

Second: no way in hell he would think that the response is for him.

 

 

This response from Salami reads as disingenuous imo.  Those posts by Verb could just as easily be a townie trying to pin Salami down.  It's way too early to get a read on Verb right now.  He just hasn't posted enough.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

DessyPoo, show a little patience towarda my HallyDoo. She's been through a lot the last few weeks and i'm pretty sure she just started to enjoy her freedom. Don't destroy her WiM.

 

We'll destroy her if she's wolf she can't hide her pretty soul from me for long.

 

But give

Her

Time

What was all that about you never using AtE?

I'm never using AtE as tool.

 

If someone pisses me off I get pissed off. But what does it have to do with your quote?

 

 

You seriously can't see how that post is AtE?  The only somewhat logical part of it is the implication that destroying Hallia's WiM would be bad.  But even that is framed in such a way as to make Des feel like a bad person for pressuring Hally rather than logically explaining why a different approach would be better.  That post was the epitome of AtE.  You use AtE, man.

[WWWwombat]

I gave her direct encouragement. And I never defended her.

 

Also @Alanna in no way am I wavering on my Hally read there.

 

Telling Des to lay off is defending her.  You can call it "intervening" if you think that makes it better, but it's still a defense.

[WWWwombat]

@Alanna in no time did I act as if I were sure of Hally. Taking that from that conversation is absurd at best.

 

You kinda did at several times imo.

 

 

Pretty sure Wombat is not town here.

 

Keep going dude you're outed to me. Was it worth it to have a shot at mislynching me? I doubt it.

 

 

Gn all.

 

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[V]Wombat[/v]

 

In before he'll call omgus and all. Kill him with fire.

 

So you saw which way the wind was blowing and launched a preemptive strike?  I don't care if your vote is OMGUS or not.  It's still opportunistic garbage.

 

 

Tommy am I going mad or do people really have trouble telling the difference between defending and encouraging/helping/mediating.

 

I mean one I'd understand but three? This is absurd.

 

When several people are telling you unequivocally that you are wrong, you should consider the possibility that you are wrong.

 

 

I think he means, that I pick my words intentionally.  He didn't see how you were being overdefensive. 

 

I'll let Salami explain what he means.

 

 

Just lynch Wombat. This is not a town rodent. Don't. Forget. This. When I'm dead (you would so please lynch now). Ty.

 

Wheren't you going to ISO me or something before commiting to a read?  What happened to that?

[WWWwombat]

[v]Salami[/v]

[Alanna]

Tommy am I going mad or do people really have trouble telling the difference between defending and encouraging/helping/mediating.

 

I mean one I'd understand but three? This is absurd.

 

The way you keep appealing to Tommy like this is starting to bug me. I just can't figure out if scum would really so blatantly buddy someone like that.

[WWWwombat]

I haven't played much mafia lately and apparently Salami has changed a bit, but I think Despo's right about Salami forcing his meta.  Doesn't it strike anyone else as a bit too extreme that every time Salami gets even the slightest bit of pressure he basically takes his ball and goes home?

[Leelou]

I haven't played much mafia lately and apparently Salami has changed a bit, but I think Despo's right about Salami forcing his meta.  Doesn't it strike anyone else as a bit too extreme that every time Salami gets even the slightest bit of pressure he basically takes his ball and goes home?

 

He does that, sheeping, buddying and when questioned on his reads he either backpedals or claims lazy.