[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[csarmi]

Jeez. Haven't i told you so?

 

Whoever controlled him. This was the most unfun experience of my mafia life.

[Hallia]

I guess Alanna, no way to tell imo and I doubt we'll find out the real circumstances until post game.

 

I don't think lynching him was all bad though as it was pretty much inevitable and had to happen imo. I think the way people handled it is informative. (Hallia/Leelou)

 

 

Jeez. Haven't i told you so?

 

Whoever controlled him. This was the most unfun experience of my mafia life.

 

It's funny, Csarmi has done the same thing all day today, in the exact opposite way, but you say nothing.  

[csarmi]

How on earth was it inevitable AJ?

 

You know there were 10 other players to vote?

 

Gosh.

[Nynaeve]

gosh?

 

lol

[hazelkrs1]

Gee Jolly Whillickers!

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

I guess Alanna, no way to tell imo and I doubt we'll find out the real circumstances until post game.

 

I don't think lynching him was all bad though as it was pretty much inevitable and had to happen imo. I think the way people handled it is informative. (Hallia/Leelou)

Jeez. Haven't i told you so?

 

Whoever controlled him. This was the most unfun experience of my mafia life.

It's funny, Csarmi has done the same thing all day today, in the exact opposite way, but you say nothing.

It's funny, Hallia does these kind of whyme fryme posts all the time as scum

[csarmi]

gosh?

lol

 

As in:

 

God

Oi should have listened to

Salami

Hate you

[hazelkrs1]

As a little side rant, Csarmi since it looks like Hallia is LOCK SCUM, I REALLY hate how you interceded on her behalf before. Not like I think you're scummy for it, I just think it was dumb now. I think your interference helped lead to me laying off of her, and considering she wasn't even a town read for you at the time.... bleurgh. And please don't respond about how you were trying to intercede because you felt it to be protown- you white knighted her because you like Hallia (understandable, she's a cute little hobbit) and wanted me to put on kid gloves in dealing with her

 

Bout to work on POE

[hazelkrs1]

AJ

Pray

Yates

Csarmi

Tommy

Alanna

 

NEVER EVER lynch from this group, with the minor footnote that Tommy is of course a wily one so can build town equity where there normally is none, and that Alanna is prob the weakest of my reads here and is mostly due to tone and seeing things looking like a solve mindset from her POV.

 

Nyn

Verbal

 

Pretty sure the last scum is one of these two. Both are somewhat associative off of other scum reads, however I think cases could be made for either one. Nyn has done (from what I remember) three iso's this game, and imo they were ALL on townies. Obv this isn't good, however she HAS shown good WIM in said iso's and also followed up on her reads fairly well. Ironic that she criticizes me for being so off base this game when imo she has been wrong a LOT, however her general conviction in her reads leads me to believe her reads are genuine. Verbal has had a very weak presence thus far, which is really kind of bad at this point in the game, old meta OR "new" meta, and yeah the times I've seen others analyze his posts or do iso's on him (Tommy had one earlier in the game) had me nodding my head a lot. Plus, Leelou's townread on him seemed pretty weaksauce, wasn't backed up well at all, and he is one that she would normally focus on big time in trying to develop a read on

 

Clov

Leelou

Hallia

 

These three are LOCK SCUM imo. Will give detailed thoughts on each one in next few posts.

[hazelkrs1]

Hallia

 

The most hilariously outed of the three. Her actions during the day yesterday just make it completely obvious she is scum here- the way she first voted me immediately after Sili's "claim" (and the tone of that post was awful), the way she pointed out the "ninja" thing (which seems obvious now was entirely a ploy to just get Sili lynched since I at the time was actually trying to push either Hallia or Leelou's lynch, can't remember which atm), then laid the foundation for voting Sili before voting him (again, turrible tone- "going to vote him to stahp the insanity" ) then REVOTED him later on as if she forgot how she initially voted him (or maybe because she wanted to push the lynch through to help end day faster). Plus as others pointed out, she never even acted like it was possible that he was being controlled, despite her recently claiming that she thought Yates disproved that, the proof here is in all the towny reactions to this mess- AJ, myself, Yates, we were all generally mystified by what was going on and were trying to make sense of it all. Hallia didn't really seem to be doing this at all, she had opportunistic nudges here and there and otherwise was trying to follow which way the tide might go (initially voting for me, then voting for Sili).

 

Furthermore her votes and stances have been legit awful so far, and while not a very vocal townie, she WILL generally have good instincts, yet I don't think she has really had a decent vote or fos the entire game. She named three townies earlier in her POE (Thane, SP, and AJ- who is LOCK CLEAR btw), fell for my AJ trap later (just tried saying "I've suspected him this whole time!" even tho my push on AJ was weaksauce honestly). For a small time when Salami interfered, she seemed like she was starting to look townie again, started rereading, and tho the stuff wasn't that good she was pointing out (she's not a wot'er) it seemed like she was TRYING. It turns out she only cared about looking like she was trying while Despressure was on her, once I let up she dropped the act of "rereading".

 

Conclusion: One scummy hobbit.

[Leelou]

Plus, Leelou's townread on him seemed pretty weaksauce, wasn't backed up well at all, and he is one that she would normally focus on big time in trying to develop a read on

 

That's a lie. I rarely back up my read on Verbal. 

[hazelkrs1]

Leelou

 

Her L-1 vote on Sili was a scumclaim. I don't CARE how annoying that crap was, as Alanna said it was EXTREMELY easy to ignore. Her putting him at hammer range and then him self-voting soon after, basically locks Leelou in as scum pretty neatly.

 

However, she has certainly had more questionable things against her. I found her reads list to be incredibly weak (I'll post it later if I have time, but yeah it was weak), I think after getting townread from tone she then disappeared from the thread generally, and speaking of- look at who essentially cleared her. Clov had that wacky tobacky "gambit" with her early on then backed off crazy quick, and also in trying to "pressure" her to see how happy or frustrated she might respond, he could have set her up to be miscleared on tone in the first place. Nyn was also one to clear Leelou early on for this, and while I can KINDA see her theory about Leelou not being as upset if she rolled scum with Verbal, at the end of the day, this is still a theory, and Nyn could have just been a scummate trying to clear a teammate early in the game. Leelou talking up Nyn's towniness sooooooo much also kinda seems odd, but eh I'm getting sidetracked somewhat (this is the Leelou show, not the Leelou/Nyn show)

 

She along with Hallia and Nyn fell for my AJ trap, and has had really poor thread presence throughout. While this isn't damning in and of itself, since it HAS been a lot more active than she's used to, when she has been here she just has not looked like she's been that interested in solving. Most of the time she's defending herself snarkily or talking smack about Csarmi or something. And then she kept saying she would need more time to read Verb, but when her reads list finally dropped, she just said she hadn't seen any scummy sounding posts from him

 

 

Conclusion: My new wow buddies have betrayed me! (Hallia and Leelou, and possibly Verbal)

[hazelkrs1]

 

Plus, Leelou's townread on him seemed pretty weaksauce, wasn't backed up well at all, and he is one that she would normally focus on big time in trying to develop a read on

 

That's a lie. I rarely back up my read on Verbal. 

 

 

Not even close to true- I've seen you give in depth support of your read on him in the past. Not going to pull quotes either, so COME AT ME LEELERS

 

[Nynaeve]

I don't really recall saying you had bad reads, Despo. I've only said it to Pral. So I guess it is made up irony.

[hazelkrs1]

Clov

 

Running out of time here, and technically speaking you COULD say he's the "weakest" of my scum reads, but he's still pretty much LOCK SCUM in my eyes. His early gambit with Leelou now just looks like a weaksauce attempt at either distancing or trying to clear his teammate, and then after dropping the Doc claim he disappeared for a while to let attention dissipate off him. Yet when he shows back up, he aint apologizing for his extended absence. isn't really trying to give many new thoughts, he just parks a vote on Sili and seems like he has TMI there as Tommy pointed out, then just kinda throws out a lazy "No, I aint got no truth to drop" post that also feels bad in hindsight (wanna grab that one too)

 

Additionally something else sketched me out- he said recently I said I was vanilla, however I never said that anywhere. I said I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt I didn't target Wombat, and methinks he took this as me claiming vanilla. I think since he dropped the Doc claim he's been worried about being CC'ed (either there is no Doc or they're staying hidden imo) and has also been fishing since then- I wouldn't be surprised if it was his idea to have Sili say he Tracked me to Wombat just to see if I had a role.

 

I got moar but eh, good enough for now

 

Conclusion: I shoulda listened to TommyGOAT earlier

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

Plus, Leelou's townread on him seemed pretty weaksauce, wasn't backed up well at all, and he is one that she would normally focus on big time in trying to develop a read on

That's a lie. I rarely back up my read on Verbal.

Not even close to true- I've seen you give in depth support of your read on him in the past. Not going to pull quotes either, so COME AT ME LEELERS

 

I have a handful of times, usually I just say if he's town. I'll push on him if I'm reading him as scum. I've been lynched before for saying he's town when we are both town and I can't back it up. Reading verbal for me isn't just one post or even a whole post. It's his tone and just how he posts.

 

I'll get to your other post later, I'm leaving for a few hours.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm here... I think I'm done pointing and laughing at Des .... for now anyhow.

Posts like these make me feel like you were saying my reads suck, it could be in general tho. You've had a number of pokes like this at me, again could just be pokes in general

[Nynaeve]

 

I'm here... I think I'm done pointing and laughing at Des .... for now anyhow.

Posts like these make me feel like you were saying my reads suck, it could be in general tho. You've had a number of pokes like this at me, again could just be pokes in general

 

 

This was following an exchange where you thought I was scum. I've admitted openly that I've been wrong so far with reads... but when it comes to my alignment I get the luxury of knowing you're completely off base.

[Nynaeve]

Now I'm actually gonna start the process of waking up....

[Nynaeve]

 

As in:

 

God

Oi should have listened to

Salami

Hate you

 

 

As of rule I try to listen to you as little as possible.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

I'm here... I think I'm done pointing and laughing at Des .... for now anyhow.

Posts like these make me feel like you were saying my reads suck, it could be in general tho. You've had a number of pokes like this at me, again could just be pokes in general

This was following an exchange where you thought I was scum. I've admitted openly that I've been wrong so far with reads... but when it comes to my alignment I get the luxury of knowing you're completely off base.

Very towny response imo, I was considering the same (Irt me scumreading you at the time)

 

Plus after going through your iso, your push on Clov seems a bit too hard to be distancing or budding, so you're prob moar clear than I realize

[Nynaeve]

Also, Des, one of my ISO was on Hallia....

[hazelkrs1]

So looks like Hallia/Leelou/Verbal/Clov scum team then

[hazelkrs1]

Also, Des, one of my ISO was on Hallia....

Well yeah but your conclusion FROM that iso was to vote Thane so... Def can't give you townie points there

[Nynaeve]

I'm just correcting what you said. You said I made 3 ISOs on people that are prolly townies which is bad.