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Turin Turambar · September 17, 2014

Right now my lynch pool is TG, Despo, Arsis, AJ.

TG as I have gone over and over. Not gonna repeat. The thing about townreading Dice off that one post is interesting tho.

Despo is pushing a bad case (or at least what I think is a bad case since I know I am town) the manner in which he is doing it tho is what leads me to think he is mafia and not just wrong.

Arsis: I think he is either using non game play to try to kill someone or is hiding behind using non-game play to try to kill someone. I worry it is more likely the latter. Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.

AJ: He seems to be softly pushing in a lot of places but not really committing to any of them. Plus he is inserting he is town in what I think is an attempt to subliminally implant that idea into the thread. It feels like he is selling something. He also jumped right in behind TG's push at us without adding or even stating he agreed. just a sheep vote. no accountablity.

Yates · September 17, 2014

SOMETHING is off about Tommy this game. That's for sure. I just can't tell if it's because Tommy!scum or new players being involved that have other meta info on him.

Hallia · September 17, 2014

Up to page 15

Des I'm only poking at you because I like you. You made me laugh really hard om skype the other day. I'll stop.

<3 D'aw I love this. I think Skype is the main thing to bring people together :laugh:

Dice has frozen the thread!
Dice confirmed Disney Princess. Princesses don't even lift.

Hands Yates a bicycle.

I just finished a 30km ride to work.

Your turn O Mighty Prince!!

And this is the only other post from Dice so far. I just...I dunno. Nonplussed.

Turin Turambar · September 17, 2014

I don't even think I've lied about anything yet.

You may not have. Tress did vouch for you. I am saying that it wouldn't really matter. Unless you got caught in a lie about NAs or sommat.

Tommyrod · September 17, 2014

SOMETHING is off about Tommy this game. That's for sure. I just can't tell if it's because Tommy!scum or new players being involved that have other meta info on him.

What do you think is off about me? What's different from Avengers for example?

keyholder21 · September 17, 2014

Official Vote Count:

Arsis (3) - Halligeddon, TheSlenderMan, manbat
Torrey_Smith's_Brother (1) - GleMeri
GleMeri (1) - TI
TI (1) - Despothera
SickPuppets (1) - Andrej
Krakalakachkn (1) - Yates
Pralaya (1) - Tomstress
Tomstress (1) - Arsis

Not Voting (7): everyone else

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!

Deadline: Thursday, 9pm EST

A DEADLINE IS NOW IN EFFECT.

Yates · September 17, 2014

Arsis: ...Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.

In a bad way? I had it marked as a soft claim as well but I'm not sure what would lead you to think "in a bad way?"

Tommyrod · September 17, 2014

Arsis: ...Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.
In a bad way? I had it marked as a soft claim as well but I'm not sure what would lead you to think "in a bad way?"

Scum like to soft their fake claims a lot more than townies do.

Arsis · September 17, 2014

Those behaviors you described from past games are responses to specific situations. I'm not going to do the same exact thing in every game. Darthe and Lenlo last game had posts that were scummy for them. Pralaya in this game has one post and it's scummy for anyone. So I'm gonna push him. I'm not pushing people based on the number of posts they have, I'm pushing them based on the content of those posts. So far Swag hasn't even said anything about this game except to laugh at a vote for him. That's completely null based on my meta understanding of him. I can't pull a town or scum lean out of thin air for you. He needs to post more. The same goes for Krak who has only one non game related post but it's not a scummy post, it's just a null post. Do you understand how some posts can be scummy and some can just be null?

Don't think I'm doing anything particularly odd for me anyway. I'm definitely more in my town range than my scum range. By quite a bit actually.

You're off. You've been the same in the 3-4 games I've seen you in and now you're different here. All those games you were town. You're not leading the pack like I expect. You're sitting back a bit more. It seems more like you're trying to be in your town meta than actually being in it.

Yates · September 17, 2014

SOMETHING is off about Tommy this game. That's for sure. I just can't tell if it's because Tommy!scum or new players being involved that have other meta info on him.

What do you think is off about me? What's different from Avengers for example?

Let me answer that with a question; what was the point in asking me what point *I* was trying to make wrt Ithi's "Town Miller" statement?

Hallia · September 17, 2014

TG you feel very uncommitted to your vote on us.

gonna take a look at what Meri has had to say.

I can understand that actually, since you pushed me into it.

I like TG more for his claim being legit because he owns up to things. He isn't trying to dodge this accusation or anything.

I'm not going to vote for tg. I just believe him. I think that tsb is the way to go today. He's scummy.

If tg gets vigged to clear the wifom over the Miller claim. I wouldn't be upset.

Why???? What reason do you have for him?

I really don't understand why I have to say the same thing over and over again @ Despo. I will do it again, but then maybe you could explain why you don't seem to be able to see the answers I've already given you.

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

Bold: I showed how yall are discrediting your attackers in my wot

Italics: Don't believe you

Underlined: You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea

You say that I am trying to say that the cop should view TG after he has claimed Miller. I clearly say that the Cop doesn't view TG. Because what would be the point. He's already made it very clear that if the Cop does view him, he's going to get a Mafia result. But that's ok because he's not actually really Mafia - he's a Miller.

I said Cop Doesn't View TG.

I stick by that.

Please show me where I've ever said that the cop should view him? I've never said that. I did not make a suggestion. I made a statement of fact. Because of the claim, the cop will not view TG.

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

In this quote you will see that I make a statement that many of you will agree with. Despo then says that I'm suggesting the cop SHOULD view TG.

I fail to see how he came up with that.

I have explained this numerous times, but I shall explain it again. No doubt I still won't have answered in the way he wanted me to - but I cant just make up an answer to make him happy.

I have never once said you said the cop should view TG. SHOW ME where I said that Ithi, cause you and Turin are starting to misrep hardcore.

My ENTIRE point with this was trying to see why you would say that there- "Cop doesn't view" as if it would be a bad thing.

Thing is, if TG was scum, then claiming Miller to keep the Cop from viewing him DOESN'T automatically put him in some kind of "clear" situation. He might keep from getting viewed, but he will have introduced wifom on his slot that could get him lynched at some point anyways.

YOU were trying to make it seem like TG would be able to "get away with it" as scum and made it seem like the Cop not viewing him would be helpful to him, but now that he has claimed Miller he will have that wifom shroud around him for the rest of the game so I fail to see how this is a point worth making. I don't think scum would fake claim Miller just to keep from being viewed as the miller claim itself puts them to the forefront without ever having been viewed.

Basically I just think you're scum that's bitter that town is buying TG's Miller claim because you want to keep him open as a mislynch. And that bitterness showed through when you were talking about him "getting away with it"

See ... there is is.

I spoilered it, but you twoooooo(three?Hydras. XD )

I think this is town on town. You guys butt heads, and are all very stubborn when you believe you're in the right.

Yates · September 17, 2014

Arsis: ...Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.
In a bad way? I had it marked as a soft claim as well but I'm not sure what would lead you to think "in a bad way?"

Scum like to soft their fake claims a lot more than townies do.

Disagree. I've already softed my claim in two posts. All it means, in my case anyway, is that you want to be prepared for later. No guarantees scum have fake claims. So you do it in case there's value to be had there.

That question was for Turin, though.

Arsis · September 17, 2014

Arsis: ...Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.
In a bad way? I had it marked as a soft claim as well but I'm not sure what would lead you to think "in a bad way?"
Scum like to soft their fake claims a lot more than townies do.

I'm not softclaiming coffee. I just really like coffee and the store I get my beans from ran out so I've been out for a week. Just got some today. I'm hopelessly addicted to caffeine.

Tommyrod · September 17, 2014

You're correct that I'm sitting back more; I made a point of saying so earlier. I commented to Tress this afternoon that I lost my grip on the game today between work and being exhausted.

I get a different perspective on the game when I sit back, and it's actually a town tell of mine because I can't not be in control of the threadflow as scum. It's a problem. You can ask Monstr about this.

I think my early game is really sterling Tommy Town stuff. Ideally I would have more sleep and more free time. 97% of this game I'm phone posting while working. I spent the only laptop time I had today compiling a list of Swag posts for you... which you never even thanked me for.

Arsis · September 17, 2014

TG you feel very uncommitted to your vote on us.

gonna take a look at what Meri has had to say.

I can understand that actually, since you pushed me into it.

I like TG more for his claim being legit because he owns up to things. He isn't trying to dodge this accusation or anything.

I'm not going to vote for tg. I just believe him. I think that tsb is the way to go today. He's scummy.

If tg gets vigged to clear the wifom over the Miller claim. I wouldn't be upset.

Why???? What reason do you have for him?

I really don't understand why I have to say the same thing over and over again @ Despo. I will do it again, but then maybe you could explain why you don't seem to be able to see the answers I've already given you.

I don't think I've been discrediting my attackers?

Well apart from the one I'm voting for. I don't know how a Town Miller would behave. I can't help but see it as the perfect place for Mafia to hide especially as 'everyone' knows this is exactly what a town miller would do and thus it must be a Town Miller. Everyone walks away. Cop doesn't view. It's just perfect.

I may just be contrary - but if no Mafia has ever done this, why the hell not?

Bold: I showed how yall are discrediting your attackers in my wot

Italics: Don't believe you

Underlined: You seriously trying to say the Cop should view TG after he claimed Miller? Are you seriously saying that? Regardless of whether TG is faking Miller or not, Cop viewing him would be an absolutely terrible idea

You say that I am trying to say that the cop should view TG after he has claimed Miller. I clearly say that the Cop doesn't view TG. Because what would be the point. He's already made it very clear that if the Cop does view him, he's going to get a Mafia result. But that's ok because he's not actually really Mafia - he's a Miller.

I said Cop Doesn't View TG.

I stick by that.

Please show me where I've ever said that the cop should view him? I've never said that. I did not make a suggestion. I made a statement of fact. Because of the claim, the cop will not view TG.

Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

In this quote you will see that I make a statement that many of you will agree with. Despo then says that I'm suggesting the cop SHOULD view TG.

I fail to see how he came up with that.

I have explained this numerous times, but I shall explain it again. No doubt I still won't have answered in the way he wanted me to - but I cant just make up an answer to make him happy.

I have never once said you said the cop should view TG. SHOW ME where I said that Ithi, cause you and Turin are starting to misrep hardcore.

My ENTIRE point with this was trying to see why you would say that there- "Cop doesn't view" as if it would be a bad thing.

Thing is, if TG was scum, then claiming Miller to keep the Cop from viewing him DOESN'T automatically put him in some kind of "clear" situation. He might keep from getting viewed, but he will have introduced wifom on his slot that could get him lynched at some point anyways.

YOU were trying to make it seem like TG would be able to "get away with it" as scum and made it seem like the Cop not viewing him would be helpful to him, but now that he has claimed Miller he will have that wifom shroud around him for the rest of the game so I fail to see how this is a point worth making. I don't think scum would fake claim Miller just to keep from being viewed as the miller claim itself puts them to the forefront without ever having been viewed.

Basically I just think you're scum that's bitter that town is buying TG's Miller claim because you want to keep him open as a mislynch. And that bitterness showed through when you were talking about him "getting away with it"

See ... there is is.

I spoilered it, but you twoooooo(three?Hydras. XD )

I think this is town on town. You guys butt heads, and are all very stubborn when you believe you're in the right.

Why what?

Tommyrod · September 17, 2014

SOMETHING is off about Tommy this game. That's for sure. I just can't tell if it's because Tommy!scum or new players being involved that have other meta info on him.
What do you think is off about me? What's different from Avengers for example?
Let me answer that with a question; what was the point in asking me what point *I* was trying to make wrt Ithi's "Town Miller" statement?

It's an expression of disapproval because I'm used to you making good points and not laying stupid useless traps. You've been kind of a wet fish in this game so far.

Turin Turambar · September 17, 2014

Arsis: ...Also the coffee thing is freaking me out. It is reading like some sort of soft claim or something but in a bad way.
In a bad way? I had it marked as a soft claim as well but I'm not sure what would lead you to think "in a bad way?"

Scum like to soft their fake claims a lot more than townies do.

Tommy, don't answer for me.

Yates. It is apparently moot now as Arsis is saying he didn't soft claim Coffee.

Arsis · September 17, 2014

You're correct that I'm sitting back more; I made a point of saying so earlier. I commented to Tress this afternoon that I lost my grip on the game today between work and being exhausted.

I get a different perspective on the game when I sit back, and it's actually a town tell of mine because I can't not be in control of the threadflow as scum. It's a problem. You can ask Monstr about this.

I think my early game is really sterling Tommy Town stuff. Ideally I would have more sleep and more free time. 97% of this game I'm phone posting while working. I spent the only laptop time I had today compiling a list of Swag posts for you... which you never even thanked me for.

AtE.

(thanks btw)

You're still scum this game.

"I'm going to act differently guys it's not because I'm scum it's because I said I am going to be"

Right after saying you weren't acting any different.

"I'm acting exactly the same"

"no you're not"

"well, I said I was going to"

Hallia · September 17, 2014

@yates its apparently 18 miles. Ive just started warming up for a 90km (55 odd miles) in november

Again? Bleh.

Dicetosser, thoughts on the Thread please.

I agree.

Cool I'm mostly caught up.

I like Halligami/Tomstress/SP/Yates so far.

Votes on Dice are premature imo. He looks like he always does, which is to say open and completely oblivious to his tone. IthiTurin also look odd but I am not too worried about them yet. Turin can play a straight game but Ithi stick out more and more over time. Mainly with her it is illogical arguments compounding and their Hydra thankfully solves the drama of figuring out how much of their buddying is their bond.

Don't think I've ever played with meridan before.

Really? Premature? How?

So is everyone specific food items like TG's claim? I am not.

Not everyone is food, no.

Likely won't matter for roles then.
I'm sure it's just flavor.

So is everyone specific food items like TG's claim? I am not.
Also, looks like a scum claim to me.

[v]Tommyrod[/v]

At first I thought this was a pretty bad post by Yates but I realized what he was doing later on when he said he was trying to get responses. Clever.

Dice has frozen the thread!
Dice confirmed Disney Princess. Princesses don't even lift.

Mulan could probably lift.

I don't think Tommy is Mafia. He wouldn't slide a vote onto us this early, that would backfire on him when our flip came out.

He'd let Town do the voting and keep his hands clean.

Now this is an important one. This isn't true. I was scum with Tom in a game somewhat recently and he managed to do this for like five days straight.

Mmmmm. I'm not impressed with the puppets so far upon reread.

Tommyrod · September 17, 2014

That's a semantic argument; everything I said is correct.

Arsis · September 17, 2014

That's a semantic argument; everything I said is correct.

Except for the parts you lied/were wrong about?

Hallia · September 17, 2014

Totally shook!

Also WATCH OUT MEANIE IN THE HOUSE!

But not really, I'm still at work ; . ;

hallia confirmed butternut

also when you get back from work I expect #werk

you don't get a pass this game.

I never get a pass

Soon to be home <3

And by soon I mean I'm technically at home, but I just got home, so I need to catch up.

FTR I am in agreeance with Monstr this game here. Only reason I didn't push Hallia more in the VS DBZ game that just finished is because we were wolfing together.

In this case - no such leniency. I already feel ~bad about Csarmi, so the promise of catching up nearly 6 hours ago without any follow up is #notagoodlook imo

I can't help but agree. But I'm sick, so bleh. ><

Stronger town read on AJ.

Turin Turambar · September 17, 2014

The possibilty does exist that he intended to soft claim it but once their was an objection he chose to

Yates · September 17, 2014

It's an expression of disapproval because I'm used to you making good points and not laying stupid useless traps. You've been kind of a wet fish in this game so far.

1. When have I made good points? Last game where I was mislynched with Key? Avengers when I was a day cop?

2. We have yet to see how useless the traps were. And how many more might be out there unsprung.

3. I'll take wet fish. I like sushi.

Tommyrod · September 17, 2014

There's no incongruity. I can be my typical town self AND be less of a spearhead than I have been in recent games. There are many sides to the Tommy coin, and I am not always a D1 leader.

When I see something I feel strongly about, I comment on it. I have done this and will continue to do this.

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