[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry, ended up being too busy last night and football today. Will catch up in a bit and post the quick blurb about TI I promised

[Yates]

Assuming healer can't self-heal - 3rd Party Poisoner making themselves known on thread means scum have to try to root them out or possibly get poisoned themselves. But they have to do it without exposing the real healer before catching the poisoner. Once the healer is dead, you can't stop the poisoner. Interestingly, the poisoner and the scum need to be trying to find the cop first. So it's a race between the poisoner AND scum to find the cop then the poisoner killing scum before being killed by scum.

 

If Csarmi really is the healer, he's getting poisoned tonight. If that happens, we have this messed up situation where scum and town need to work together to find the poisoner via both lynches AND NA's.

 

Fun times.

[Yates]

FWIW - I agree that scum isn't likely to target a miller claim. I would be FLOORED if poison is a scum kill mechanic.

[Meridian]

 

 

Csarmi I have a question. Since town is made up of things that help Cory and what not, isn't it odd that Cory doesn't believe you exist? It should be about how you've helped Cory not how he doesn't think you exist, correct?

To be fair, it fits the overall theme of choice. I wouldn't be surprised to see something like 3/4 hours of sleep on the mafia side if it's not a fake claim.

 

I understand it fits the theme but everyone is stuff that has helped Cory correct? Isn't it odd then that he doesn't believe they exist then?

 

Well, pretty much anyone that is working/has a lot going on in real life reaches a point where they "don't believe eight hours of sleep exist" anymore so I think it still makes sense for Csarmi/Halli's claim to be accurate.

 

 

Tommy, I just wish I didn't feel so confused for the most part. I'm still new at this, and I don't want to let the other half of the hydra down. >.< Or Town. The acronyms confuse me. And I'm still trying to keep track of who is in the game and who is hydras with whom.

 

I have a notebook next to me, but I'm tired. Long hours today and tomorrow. :(

Noob card played. Meri, why do you feel it worse to let TG down more so than Town? That bit of phrasing looks very odd to me. The Town part seems to be a throw in. 

I would have thought that was obvious. Because TG is my hydra partner, therefore he is the one most closely affected by me in the game. I've already stated the fact that I am hoping Town wins this game, but it looks like half of Town hopes I end up dead, explain to me how that is supposed to inspire warm fuzzy feelings? lol

 

 

 

 

Haven't gotten there yet, but I'm poisoned? Meri didn't mention that.

lol

 

best hydra

 

 

Well, first off, my hydra partner is F***ng awesome.  But other than that, How much time to DL?  I'd like to catch up and make our vote meaningful. 

 

Wait, if CS is healer, can't he heal us?

 

<3 Thanks TG. Honestly, I completely forgot to mention that we were poisoned. Most of what I've read of the game has been via email when I can snatch a moment at work, and seriously it is just confusing. So, that is totally my bad.

 

Csarmi/Halli, it would be nice to be healed, unless you have something more vital to Town that you need to take care of. :)

[Meridian]

FWIW - I agree that scum isn't likely to target a miller claim. I would be FLOORED if poison is a scum kill mechanic.

I agree. That would not be a smart move on their part.

[Darthe]

I think it being inoptimal is what makes it decent as a play. There are few people in this game who arent experienced enough to not do that but there are plenty imaginative enough to consider it worth the turmoil to confirm someone who they know isnt a strong PR and might cause some WIFOM, especially if they thought the miller was going to be fairly clear. I think that this was more likely a scum poisoning than a third party one, especially considering the presence of a healer.

[hazelkrs1]

I think it being inoptimal is what makes it decent as a play. There are few people in this game who arent experienced enough to not do that but there are plenty imaginative enough to consider it worth the turmoil to confirm someone who they know isnt a strong PR and might cause some WIFOM, especially if they thought the miller was going to be fairly clear. I think that this was more likely a scum poisoning than a third party one, especially considering the presence of a healer.

 

 

Discussion of alignment of Poisoner ITT pretty stupid and pointless imo

 

What say we get back to catching scum?

[hazelkrs1]

And to instantly contradict myself- it would GREATLY surprise me if the Poisoner was on the scum team. Much more likely to be a Malicious Third Party imo

[Arsis]

I'm tinfoiling hard right now. Any one around to chat with? I want to people to tell me if it makes sense or not. I think it does.

[Darthe]

Id be game for that if I had the slighest real lead ITT.

 

What do you think of Dice Des?

[hazelkrs1]

Chat with me Arsis. You have 15 mins till I start audit, then you have to wait 30 mins after that till I'm back

 

During that waiting period you are not allowed to do anything but stare at a clock, preferably an analog one so you can watch the minute hand slowly rotate

[hazelkrs1]

Id be game for that if I had the slighest real lead ITT.

 

What do you think of Dice Des?

 

>rand to be town

[Darthe]

Agreed. Tinfoiling on his sudden severe increase in awesome though.

[Arsis]

Des, good. You're not Darthe so I can actually ask you. I think CS has to heal tg today. Like mandatory. I think they didn't actually claim healer but talked about healers so people would assume they were. So, if tg dies they can say they didn't on purpose but if a super clear person dies they can say "I never explicitly said I was healer. I was just talking about a healer"

 

 

I don't remember a Hardclaim.

[Darthe]

Now to contradict myself as well, the above is clearly paranoia since not trusting someone for playing better is retarded.

[Darthe]

Des, good. You're not Darthe so I can actually ask you. I think CS has to heal tg today. Like mandatory. I think they didn't actually claim healer but talked about healers so people would assume they were. So, if tg dies they can say they didn't on purpose but if a super clear person dies they can say "I never explicitly said I was healer. I was just talking about a healer"

 

 

I don't remember a Hardclaim.

That is an incredible amount of work for what reward? Its possible I suppose, but I need to hear your reasoning more clearly.

[Arsis]

 

Des, good. You're not Darthe so I can actually ask you. I think CS has to heal tg today. Like mandatory. I think they didn't actually claim healer but talked about healers so people would assume they were. So, if tg dies they can say they didn't on purpose but if a super clear person dies they can say "I never explicitly said I was healer. I was just talking about a healer"

 

 

I don't remember a Hardclaim.

That is an incredible amount of work for what reward? Its possible I suppose, but I need to hear your reasoning more clearly.

I was trying to look for a claim because people were talking about a healer like it was lock to be in the game. People just started talking about a healer. Then CS is the healer. But... Where is the claim? It just seems off to me.

[Darthe]

Took a sec.

 

Actually its unlikely and here is why.

 

1) it could be foiled by someone asking basic questions about their role/them

2) it serves little gain and pulls sus to them in the long run

3) if there was a healer (much more likely considering a poisoner exists) it would CC them

4) whether mafia or third party the risk of becoming the target for another faction (assuming your team wasnt the poisoner which would make the fake claim moot) increases exponentially

 

Altogether that line of conjecture isnt great Arsis. However, a mafia healer trying to use this to solidify themselves as a town PR could be possible though it doesnt eliminate some of the risks above.

[Darthe]

 

 

Des, good. You're not Darthe so I can actually ask you. I think CS has to heal tg today. Like mandatory. I think they didn't actually claim healer but talked about healers so people would assume they were. So, if tg dies they can say they didn't on purpose but if a super clear person dies they can say "I never explicitly said I was healer. I was just talking about a healer"

 

 

I don't remember a Hardclaim.

That is an incredible amount of work for what reward? Its possible I suppose, but I need to hear your reasoning more clearly.

I was trying to look for a claim because people were talking about a healer like it was lock to be in the game. People just started talking about a healer. Then CS is the healer. But... Where is the claim? It just seems off to me.

Fair. I didnt see it either but ive skimmed a good bit.

[hazelkrs1]

Since I didn't do this before-

 

My summarized blurb on TI:

 

- before Ithi left she was way off her town meta. As town she is essentially suspicious of everyone, and active in scumhunting and pressuring others. This game she tunneled on TG for policy reasons, then defended herself only, and kinda poorly at that

- Turin flip flopped his stance on TG's miller claim, first saying it was plausible and stuff, then backing Ithi up about how Miller claims HAD TO GO

- He later said he was merely reaction testing Csarmi when he was believing the claim ITT. LAWLZ. Also Turin often makes fun of people who claim to have done stuff "for reactions" so yeah jokes on him or us here, you pick

- He also claimed that he initially DIDN'T trust the miller claim till called on it (prob shoulda put this point above the previous one /shrug)

- He uses buzzwords to back stuff up instead of spelling it out more- which is DEF off his town meta

- Besides his generically wolfy push on TG, he tried making his push look more believable with the classic "why aren't you voting me then", making it look like TG was scummy for not voting Turin immediately

- Has tunneled on me but in a weak manner, not like him trying to actively push but just soft push to keep up appearances

- Ever since it looked like he couldn't get TG or me lynched, has instead gone for opportunistic pushes here or there (@Arsis, @Vos, @AJ)

 

I have more but we're starting audit unfortunately

[Arsis]

Took a sec.

 

Actually its unlikely and here is why.

 

1) it could be foiled by someone asking basic questions about their role/them

2) it serves little gain and pulls sus to them in the long run

3) if there was a healer (much more likely considering a poisoner exists) it would CC them

4) whether mafia or third party the risk of becoming the target for another faction (assuming your team wasnt the poisoner which would make the fake claim moot) increases exponentially

 

Altogether that line of conjecture isnt great Arsis. However, a mafia healer trying to use this to solidify themselves as a town PR could be possible though it doesnt eliminate some of the risks above.

That all assumes we have a healer in a standard game. Two poisioners and a Healer is a bit much for standard. Although, it does sound like fun. It's just a realistic safe false claim with enough plausible deniability to make me question it. I'm admittly tinfoiling. It just feels weird to me.

[hazelkrs1]

Des, good. You're not Darthe so I can actually ask you. I think CS has to heal tg today. Like mandatory. I think they didn't actually claim healer but talked about healers so people would assume they were. So, if tg dies they can say they didn't on purpose but if a super clear person dies they can say "I never explicitly said I was healer. I was just talking about a healer"

 

 

I don't remember a Hardclaim.

Only way Csarmi or a Healer SHOULDN'T Heal GleMeri here is they have limited shots, otherwise yeah I think Heal em

[Arsis]

 

Des, good. You're not Darthe so I can actually ask you. I think CS has to heal tg today. Like mandatory. I think they didn't actually claim healer but talked about healers so people would assume they were. So, if tg dies they can say they didn't on purpose but if a super clear person dies they can say "I never explicitly said I was healer. I was just talking about a healer"

 

 

I don't remember a Hardclaim.

Only way Csarmi or a Healer SHOULDN'T Heal GleMeri here is they have limited shots, otherwise yeah I think Heal em

Yeah, I'll feel better if tg gets healed. I'll be super suspicious if tg dies.

[hazelkrs1]

That's kinda not the point of what I was saying tho...

 

Halligeddon is LOCK CLEAR. Stahp tinfoiling for no reason

 

Arsis, discuss Yates, TI, and krak

[csarmi]

Arsis, do you believe I'm scum?