[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Andrej]

[v]Darthe[/v]

[hazelkrs1]

Well I guess AJ said this is town/town violence but I don't buy that at this precise moment. You can try to woo me while I'm sleeping if you are genuine though. I'll reconsider after some sleep just in case. But dear god have you been terribly scummy tonight. It's rare that I feel this confident in catching someone. It's gonna be hard for you to talk me out of it, but you should try. Definitely.

I could give two craps about what you think about me. I think nothing I've done has been scummy in any way, despite you constantly trying to portray your little mural of me as scum in this game. In the meantime you look like legit rustled scum to me.

 

Csarmi and AJ still my strongest town reads. Tommy is scum. If he isn't, Arsis is confirmed scum. Hallia prob scum as well regardless of Tommy's alignment.

[Tommyrod]

LOL AT YOU SAYING NOTHING YOU'VE DONE IS SCUMMY.

 

PURE HORSESHIT.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

Des we were just scum together on VS like a week ago so I know it hasn't been a "while" since you've played mafia

 

It's not your aggressiveness that I find lacking, it's your complete narrowmindness and inability to consider that *I* could be pushing you as town. Do you REALLY think that anyone who ever pushes you with conviction must be scum -- PARTICULARLY when you've been acting odd, by your own admission? How can you say that with a straight face?

 

How?

For the last time Tommy-

 

I do NOT find it scummy for someone to push at me. What I find scummy about you is the MANNER in which you have pushed at me.

 

Your refusal to acknowledge this point is just bleurgh.

 

I also never admitted that I was acting odd- but I DID consider that my tone might have been shorter than normal or something due to me being busy at the time.

Yo that's B.S. because the manner in which I pushed you makes PERFECT SENSE.

You tried to use AtE and told me I was "obfuscating" when I first questioned you. SCUM TELL.

You got all flustered when I called out you and Hallia as a team and tried to question her. SCUM TELL.

You called me scum and then voted her instead when she really didn't have anything to do with our argument. SCUM TELL.

You didn't even care that I was also pushing her while you were pretending to push her, nor have you really followed up other than to say she looked bad. SCUM TELL.

 

You started using purely hypocritical arguments, spinning my own arguments against you onto me like a politician. SCUM TELL.

You then pretended to find me scummy for pushing you so you could vote me back "justifiably". SCUM TELL.

And it continued on and on. Every time I made GOOD POINTS you just spun my own points back at me or told me I was using euphemisms instead of evidence which was NEVER true. If this was POG I'm pretty sure you'd be lynched without much debate today because you failed almost every reaction test there is.

 

If you're town you've had some of the least genuine, least convincing responses to pressure I've seen in ages. I expect better.

 

Blah blah blah

[Tommyrod]

I'm done, going to bed.

I suggest more votes on Des by the time I wake up unless he's begun to make a LOT of sense. Otherwise I'm taking people defending him with shallow reasoning as a scum claim because dear god he was scummy tonight. So so so so so bad.

[Krakalakachkn]

Hallia >rand to be town.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

Your strongest townreads are two dudes who don't have strong opinions of what's going on despite me kicking your sorry ass all over this thread?

Heh dude posts like this are why I've barely been considering anything you've been saying for a while now.

 

You haven't kicked anyone's friggin ass. You're posturing all over the place and broadcasting Wolf!Tommy right now as Mich as you can. Bout to just stop reading your posts.

What's your exit strategy once I claim? How are you going to back away from calling me scum once I'm lock clear?

Lol you actually think I should back off of you because you're hinting/soft claiming a PR????

 

Lololololololol

 

#FULLRUSTLEDSCUM

[csarmi]

Salami: do tell. How am I scum? Is it because I'm making too much sense? Should I make less sense and make bad points and NOT find point out when someone is obvious scum?

Nope. I think I pointed out some little things I associate with your scum game. Things that make my gut scream Tommy is scum.

 

Problem is

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Your strongest townreads are two dudes who don't have strong opinions of what's going on despite me kicking your sorry ass all over this thread?

Heh dude posts like this are why I've barely been considering anything you've been saying for a while now.

 

You haven't kicked anyone's friggin ass. You're posturing all over the place and broadcasting Wolf!Tommy right now as Mich as you can. Bout to just stop reading your posts.

What's your exit strategy once I claim? How are you going to back away from calling me scum once I'm lock clear?

Lol you actually think I should back off of you because you're hinting/soft claiming a PR????

 

Lololololololol

 

#FULLRUSTLEDSCUM

 

 

Shit like this is how I know you are scum.

 

This is not how a townie reacts to in-his-face evidence that he is very likely to be wrong.

 

AS IF EVERYTHING ELSE I'M SAYING WASN'T ENOUGH. JESUS.

[csarmi]

Tho

[Arsis]

 

 

 

 

 

Since Des has gone full turtleshell playground antics mode, I'll take the high ground and invite anyone here to ask me as to how my read on him developed or why I'm becoming more and more confident that Des is the best lynch for today with each post he makes. This is assuming you can't see the obvious for yourself, and I mean it is really obvious.

Please assume im tired and not paying good attention to anything and explain how your read developed on Des.

 

Thanks.

Sure. Check it out. Des came into the thread being aloof and whimsical in a way I don't associate with him in any role; that's fine, whatever. I had a little mini mindmeld moment with Salami when he mentioned it too. Des threw down a few oddball reads like Tommy and Arsis look good, but he did in a way that emulates Cory's typical early game style which is what caught my eye. He also said he's WTL Krak or Darthe, someone he knows I'm voting for out of spite and might actually push out of spite; Ditto for Arsis. He voted for you in that post and I have no idea why he's WTL Krak, but whatever. I can let that go... kinda.

 

He weakly FOS's Hallia and then mentions how Krak is confirmed scum and his explanation for voting you is some gibberish I don't understand that is for out-of-game reasons, which is... whatever, but doesn't sound like him as a townie, it sounds like something he'd do as scum hiding behind lame reasoning to vote for people.

 

So that's all pretty weird already. He's bouncing around really fervently but he doesn't sound like him, he sounds like Cory or even me when I'm scum in early game trying to get town points for verbal diarrhea.

 

But then the really weird happens. Salami calls him out for being weird and immediately after Des tries to "look serious" by asking him for reads; then Hallia softly defends him with the 'turning a new leaf' comment, then Des tries to shrug suspicion off him by telling people to get out of his way -- not believable. His immediate turn to question Hallia is another example of him trying to "look serious" when he's under suspicion, except it looked a little goofy and made me think Des/Hallia scum/scum makes sense. Hallia doesn't try to read Des in response to his question but instead says Des is null, I am null, and Salami is town for reasons I don't understand other than "well, he's posting."

 

Whatever. Looks like weird interaction between the two of them. But then it escalates even more:

 

Des says "Wow you're bad if you're reading me as scum right now. Or just scum." which isn't something a reasonable person says, and even for stubborn town Des that's bad... but when Des takes a hard right turn and calls ME scum but then votes for HALLIA, that's when I thought "aha, he actually is scum."

 

He's not arguing like a townie would. He tried to guilt me into being suspicious of someone else by saying I'm 'obfuscating' and then he got nervous and delected onto Hallia and then has called me lock scum ever since. It's ridiculous. And it's fake.

 

This isn't even counting that I also think Hallia is scummy but he doesn't care about that and isn't following up on his "suspicions" of her in any way.

 

I don't even think I should have to point this out to you guys. This is basic. Can you read his posts and tell me "yeah, looks town" and not "yeah, looks like caught scum"?

 

He's just straight trolling now and not providing any reasoning at all. It's pathetic. He's in anti-spew mode and is likely just going to take pot shots at me for the rest of the day until one of us is lynched because he knows I'll keep at it and probably be successful so if he says too much he may out one of his bros. (That's what anti-spew means in case you didn't know the term.)

And this makes complete sense too. Yea Des looks bad. Yea Tommy will have this story making as much sense as scum too.

 

My main problem here is that my mind says Despo is >>rand to be scum. My gut says Tommy is scum.

 

And neither believes they'd be scum/scum.

 

Halp.

I know what tommy will say I'm budding but this is pretty much how I'm feeling right now.

 

 

Is it possible they're both scum and just having a laugh at us?

[hazelkrs1]

I also think it's outside the realm of possibility that town!Tommy would actually end up hinting/soft claiming a PR this early in a game. Dude's scum or having his worst game since Hoof's Cthuhlu game

[csarmi]

Whatev

[csarmi]

Smth strang

[Tommyrod]

There's also no "backing off" on my part Des. I fully intend to lynch you today. I will claim at some point and then you won't even be able to argue I'm scum. So if you ARE town and I'm making a HUGE MISTAKE, then your best bet is to stop everything you have been doing, start the game over, and make a lot of sense. I'm not going to let you off the hook unless I see a massive improvement from you, and even now it might be too late for me to change my mind. But go for it.

[hazelkrs1]

Tommy you're scum or having your worst game since last time you got mislynched D1. End of story.

[csarmi]

Text box keeps de-focusing on my mobile for some reason making it all but impossible to write coherent posts (and in general getting me annoyed and ninja'd). So I'm out for a while.

[Tommyrod]

HARD CLAIM:

 

I'M THE COP.

 

I have no reservations claiming this when I know I'm dying N1 ~100% of the time in a game this small. At the very least by claiming doc can try to protect me.

 

Now what, Des? You gonna CC me?
 

[Tommyrod]

If the next post out of Des's sniveling mouth is "lololol Tom would never play this bad as town" I am screaming for him to be lynched. Period. I give zero shits. He does not get to take that line.

[hazelkrs1]

There's also no "backing off" on my part Des. I fully intend to lynch you today. I will claim at some point and then you won't even be able to argue I'm scum. So if you ARE town and I'm making a HUGE MISTAKE, then your best bet is to stop everything you have been doing, start the game over, and make a lot of sense. I'm not going to let you off the hook unless I see a massive improvement from you, and even now it might be too late for me to change my mind. But go for it.

Lololololol at your rustled scummy jimmies.

 

You think claiming a PR will absolutely save you period from getting lynched, and are banking on that so much I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND you actually ARE one.

 

Meanwhile you're continuously trying to give yourself an out for changing your mind on me if I "improve".

 

Lololol @ outed scum

 

[Tommyrod]

We're lynching Des.

[Andrej]

You guys are dumb.

 

I'll be back tomorrow.

[hazelkrs1]

HARD CLAIM:

 

I'M THE COP.

 

I have no reservations claiming this when I know I'm dying N1 ~100% of the time in a game this small. At the very least by claiming doc can try to protect me.

 

Now what, Des? You gonna CC me?

 

Don't believe you. Don't believe you'd be this bad as town.

 

 

Also- fishing much? I don't need to CD you to prove you're lying.

[hazelkrs1]

CC*

[Tommyrod]

YEAH DES, IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL OF ME TO HARD CLAIM ROLES THAT EXIST IN EVERY MAFIA GAME WHEN I'M SCUM SO THAT I CAN GET CC'D AND GUARANTEED MY OWN DEATH.

 

THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE ME.

 

Jesus christ you're an idiot.