[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Tommyrod]

I think

 

Thane

Arsis

Krak

Des

 

Are likely to be townies. That's a start.

 

AJ and TG are getting closer.

[Andrej]

 

Back at the beginning.

 

Krak vote for Tommy out of the gate to "get rid of that wifom" is scummy. Tommy can be great scumhunter for town, so why want to get rid of him ASAP?

 

Len's nonchalance looks like town bc he usually tries at least a little to look involved as scum.

^ dun dun dunnnnn

 

I pointed this out wayyyy before you dude.

 

[Andrej]

 

Yates and I are both out of town this weekend - for different reasons, pretty sure. Otherwise would be weird if he was here for my husband's birthday O.o

 

I wasn't included in the role PM off the bat, was just added last night while I was asleep, so I'm trying to catch up on mobile atm.

 

Tommy > Des in that argument, imo. Like Des better today.

 

CS being stubborn is not new, don't know what to think atm.

 

After just playing two games with him, I don't see why Arsis is subbing out as town. This isn't any different than Tommy in Avengers, imo.

 

Don't like Hally's backing Tommy up, because f anyone in the game, Tommy doesn't need it, imo. Also, he didn't seem like he was in any danger at the time, so why?

 

Also, three days makes sense for roles bc that's how long Woodstock was.

 

Back at the beginning.

 

Krak vote for Tommy out of the gate to "get rid of that wifom" is scummy. Tommy can be great scumhunter for town, so why want to get rid of him ASAP?

 

Len's nonchalance looks like town bc he usually tries at least a little to look involved as scum.

 

I feel like these posts from Key will be important later.

 

 

See?

[hazelkrs1]

It's going to be embarrassing when I finally admit how even tho I've had Tommy on iggy this whole time I've been clicking on "View it anyways" on his post anyways, really just making my life more difficult.

 

Luckily I have the proper amount of pettiness/immaturity to keep the charade going a while longer

[Andrej]

Tom/Des town.

 

Csarmi as null.

 

Has Arsis as a scum read.

 

Hallia is suspect.

 

Krak scummy.

 

Lenlo town.

 

Like I said - important later.

[Andrej]

I think Csarmi could be town after looking at his ISO more closely.

 

That or he's just taking insanely easy shots at Thane for his posts.

 

Thane does typically come across as scummy though - I've seen him be mislynched a few times early in games.

 

I should listen to my gut more.

[hazelkrs1]

Not sure who looks scummier after the Lenlo flip, Salami or Kates

[hazelkrs1]

Salami has a better reason for defending Lenlo buuuuut also has more that makes him look bad besides the Lenlo stuff

[hazelkrs1]

Kate's showed up late to the party after being inactive at first buuuuuut their inactivity could explain why Lenlo wasn't trying to look town, if he had inactive/lazy teammates

[dicetosser1]

kates also dropped that vote on hallia Des. was the first vote at a time  when there were other trains.

[hazelkrs1]

I remember. Was just summing them both up kinda quick

[hazelkrs1]

Hey Dice how do you feel about me locking you in as town earlier?

[hazelkrs1]

Anyways. Starting my reread now

[dicetosser1]

Hey Dice how do you feel about me locking you in as town earlier?

 

that you got it right

[hazelkrs1]

Having Tommy on iggy while rereading makes it like INSANELY easy btw. Would recommend.

[hazelkrs1]

Yeah but how do you FEEEEEEL about it Dice?

[nervositee]

Not sure I trust your fellow voters. 

 

But sure, why not, I don't trust enough people will come online within the next three hours. 

 

[unvote]

 

|v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Ok, hitting bed now. 

 

Christ, can't believe I did that >_<

[dicetosser1]

dude can you quote it for me? im at work so cant go hunting but when i see it again i can tell you.

 

 

off the top of my head i had no probs with it. i felt you had accurate reasons for it and of course i know its right so...

[Andrej]

 

I feel like these posts from Key will be important later.

 

You think Key is scum?

 

 

Oh and I would love some insight on Lenlo... If anyone other than Arsis has thoughts on him so far.

 

Silence and kill him.

 

These posts kinda bug me.

 

The first was TG questioning me after I had quoted Key's early reads post. I think it's a little early to call it w/w but if Kates ends up being Mafia I might reconsider my position on TG.

 

The second was in response to Tom asking people's opinion on Len. Nothing major here and I didn't quote the "TROLOLOL" post afterwards, but it sort of reads as jokey way to shrug off giving a hard stance on Len.

 

I'm still going to push for an Arsis lynch today.  If not I'll go Lenlo 2nd.  Darthe 3rd.  Des 4th.

 

This does look pretty good though. There were some other posts after this that I didn't quote, but TG does a pretty good summation of Len's 'cliff notes' so atm I want to put TG as town also.

 

Hmmm, thought I'd posted this before work.

 

A cursory analysis says that Tommy and Hallia are likely town, this isn't just claims. Tommy is more abrasive than I've seen when he's mafia, I liked Hallia's early posting against Des. Claim wise unless a ST, Ninja, non GF type mafia ilk role flips, Tommy's claim is solid and the way that Hallia claimed makes me lean town.

 

After that I'm mixed on almost everyone.

 

Des seems a bit meh, his early game play seemed to be observations over actual game play, and he completely over reacted to Tommy, I have literally no idea where he gets Tommy 'obfuscating' from. In terms of emo rage it was also fairly null. Early on seemed to be reading Hallia/Tommy as mafia, but mostly dropped Hallia while arguing with Tommy, comparatively Tommy was still questioning both and anyone else who posted. Also had Krak as mafia and did nothing to follow it up. I really don't like his 'reasons' for being off, particularly where he says that he hasn't played for a while, given that he was playing Mynd's Avengers game a few weeks ago. I also need to reread to see where Des changes, I remember his switch between trololol Tommy's mafia to 'ignore' seemed abrupt and around the time of the claim, which seems a little strange. Overall leaning mafia.

 

If Des did flip mafia I'd argue that Dice was Town as there was a bit where Des seemed to be Role hunting from him.

 

Csarmi is a tough read this time. However his self vote seemed calculated rather than emotional which is at odds to how he normally plays. His quick backing off of Des also doesn't look good, but makes mafia/mafia unlikely. How he's posting his observations is town Csarmi, but I've never seen mafia Csarmi so I don't know what the differences are, he's also pretty confident that Hallia and I will read him as town. Need to reread as my thoughts change quickly.

 

Thane is making my hackles rise. Starting with the 'I'm often seen as scummy and lynched early' as the last time I saw this he was mafia symp. More worryingly he isn't asking any of the questions I associate with Town Thane from OUAT. I've seen a lot of meta defence and almost no mafia hunting. Likely mafia.

 

AJ's generally making good points, think he caught the Des and Krak interaction, but don't remember it being followed up on.

 

TG's recent posts are great. Town read.

 

Think Lenlo said something about new and improved but don't recall anything from him.

 

As of now Des, Thane, Lenlo aren't looking good wtl..

 

Out of time as I have to run for work, I'll be back in 12ish hours for a proper read through and to post the things I've forgotten :)

 

I'm having a hard time with how I should read this post. I've been fooled pretty hard by BFG in the past because I tend to want her to be town, and I think that colors my read on her. Reading over this post, I feel like these reads are pretty organic. I like how later she follows up on her suspicion of Thane by pulling some of his scum games to compare his meta there with him in this game. It's been said that Thane is sort of a soft target and I think he's pretty clear for his involvement with the Lenlo lynch, but I don't want to suspect BFG over her pushing him. He did look pretty suspect at the time. I feel like she supported her stance pretty well.

 

The one thing that gives me pause is that she makes a one line comment about Len but has him as one of her top 3 reads. He also isn't mentioned in any of her other posts in ISO except for when she moves her vote onto him prior to the DL.

 

I want to town read, but I'm hesistant. I'd like to see more analysis from her now that Lenlo is dead and known-scum to see how her reads develop.

[nervositee]

Yeah, bad call on my part ignoring Len. 

 

About my vote hopping, I really believed Thane was mafia and Len probably wasn't (since I can hardly recall anything he has written) and wanted to place my vote where I thought mafia was. I actually didn't realize we were equal before Tommy pointed it out. Hated to do it, felt cheap, but since I know I'm town - wanted a majority lynch - and as I said don't trusted enough people to come online - so I (urm, tried to) place my vote where there would be a indefinite better chance of catching scum.

 

So yeah, apparently I was wrong about Len/Thane. Glad we still pulled through and got him. Dunno what more to say about that one :P

 

Got woken up shit early by cats going crazy, but will do a proper catch up later today

[csarmi]

Salami has a better reason for defending Lenlo buuuuut also has more that makes him look bad besides the Lenlo stuff

Really?

 

Bad stuff. I see.

[csarmi]

Like sticking to my reads, pointing out scummy behaviour and refusing to lynch someone I'm not comfortable lynching day one?

 

Or, like, taking stances (despite the Tommy mantra that I didn't) and be active, involved and transparent?

 

You can push me for being wrong if you like. Which I still don't think I was. Though I'm always happy to be wrong if that nets a scum.

[hazelkrs1]

Dice- exactly what I was looking for. Thanks

 

AJ- feel like you're town but that last wot is a head scratcher for me; you quote a post that if anything shows more of a connection to Lenlo, but then start talking yourself out of that connection and into a townread. Specifically on TG and BFG. I suspected TG before and already have found some posts of interest of his while rereading, so if anything I think he's worth looking into more now, and didn't have much on BFG but the points you make had me swaying towards possible suspect... even tho you said you wanted to townread her

 

Vos- Hrmmmm you're looking a bit more sketchy now. Also that vote fail doesn't look like one that could happen naturally, "I" isn't really that close to "[" on the keyboard, but looks enough like it to make it look like a code fail. Ticky tack but still. IGMEOY

 

Csarmi-Wah? And yes, there is stuff that makes you look bad, but instead of asking what it is you decided to preemptively try and tout your own flag and make it seem like you've been soooo townie. Looks fake to me.

[csarmi]

Seems like if Vos is town, Thane, TG and Tommy surely are just from the vote train. But I got no time to read back who else is. Who started the Ken lynch idea and why?

[csarmi]

There probably is, Despo... That's what comes from being involved and playing.