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Anyway, I´m beginning to get a town feeling for Arsis. I have never played with him before but I don´t think anyone would play this way as mafia.

 

 

This from Tina is bad bad bad.  Clearing Arsis like this screams of trying to find a reason to either buddy up or clear a teammate.  Tina >rand to be scum.

 

This isn't a townie. This is scum who is fixated on an outdated point and can't be bothered (or isn't capable of) developing his reads.

 

 

Tommy that is wrong and you know it. Your actions in this game have been extreme, and makes it worth dismissing you for most the rest of the game until you straight up scum claim.

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Alright let's go ahead and [unvote] [v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

Actually I did forget about Tommy mentioning the "one other person knows my character" thing from earlier, that def could easily lead someone to assume mason. So never mind there, you can stay town

 

:happy:

 

Irt Darthe, pretty sure I quoted more than one post... Regardless laptop is dead and I'm trying to shop for Niki's birthday present so can't make a detailed case atm.

 

In short tho, I never saw any posts from him earlier that impressed me, and since then he misrepped Vos (one of my townreads) pretty hardcore, had some more lame and bad tone posts, then role claimed somewhat early and in a weird manner.

 

Awww craps I did forget to either grab the quote or deleted it or something- but one more thing that stood out recently from Darthe is how he flip flopped regarding how his train looked.

 

First it wasn't terrible but not that good, then it was all kinds of embellished bad. Will fetch quotes later (hopefully)

I'm gonna go through your reasons.

 

Firstly in your catchup you said that, one reason because of which you aren't voting Red,who has incidentally been a big scum read of yours, but voting Darthe is because he approves of the train of hers. Ok now, lets go with your theory that both are scum. Wouldn't they bus each other? So wouldn't it make sense to vote someone whom you had a scum read on from the beginning.

 

Your reasons are-1. He failed to impress you.

 

2. You say that he misrepped one of your town reads.

 

3. Had lame posts.

 

4. Bad tone.

 

5. Role claimed in a suspicious manner. 

 

1 and 3 are really weak reasons and make me suspicious.

 

I don't see 2 and from Darthe's reply to Key below makes me see that he's thought what I thought from the same post.

 

4. He appeared pretty disinterested and frustrated to me.. And before, I forget someone earlier said that he disinterested because he's scum. That statement was absolutely scummy.

 

5. Addressed your suspicion of claim in my earlier post. 

 

All in all, I don't see any big reason to find him scummy.

 

 

 

Shii- How could it be a misrep at all? A direct quote and interpretation. Even someone who didnt agree with me couldnt be thick enough to convince themselves that it was misrepresentative when the player actually friggin said it.

You had to chop a quote to make your point. Deliberately ignoring the rest of what was said. How is not a misrep to not take into account the entire sentence?

How is it? Its a psychologically based tell. Do you just not understand what that means or something? If I said in response to you asking me if I am scum "Im scum a lot but today I am not" thats significantly more likely to come from a scummer than a townie who would just say "nope". The whole point of subconscious is that the two things are linked in his mind so he represents them differently. The whole point of the f ame is awareness of this fact and recognition of other people doing it. This cant be that hard. Also, odd number of people defending vos here.

 

Agree

 

 

I am most suspicious of TG and dice right now.

 

Dice seems to keep going back to Tommy claiming, every time the thread turns to talking about something else. He did it previously when the TG/Tsuki discussion was going on. Does it again after des and BH come in talking about other things, then again yesterday after NB. Only after he brings up Tommy again does he post something about the rest of the game. Then again last page.

 

I still really don’t like TG so far in this game though. His post where he votes Tsuki and then his vote, his responses to me and others haven’t made me feel any better. He thinks Tommy was trying to manipulate the thread and that the twins are 3rd party, but is still voting for Tsuki over his bwhaha comment? (also noting that Len seems to be defending TG pretty often).

 

Darthe is a distant third, for the Vos quote chop, unwillingness to case Red until others had and oddly early claim. I have hella trouble reading him normally, though, and his lack of effort is throwing me off since I’ve never seen it from him in either alignment.

 

[v]dice[/v]

 

I agree that Dice is probably scuum...just think more so on Darthe.

 

Why? Why do you think so? Could you please explain your reads?

 

X you sound like you're asking questions just to ask questions instead of asking questions because you're genuinely interested in the answer

I ask these questions to people voting Darthe, because I don't see any significant reason for your votes.

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Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own. Also, the bold are directly contrary. I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it. Caution is warranted and townie.

I don't understand why you're so ANGRY and UNREASONABLE in this game

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Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own. Also, the bold are directly contrary. I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it. Caution is warranted and townie.

I don't understand why you're so ANGRY and UNREASONABLE in this game

 

Why would I be reasonable?  I showed up to a shit flinging fest with beer and brats and am getting slaughtered because you got traction off of a fake claim combined with me calling shit flinging shit flinging.  Also, town is either too stupid or apathetic to listen to any of my goddamn posts so I may as well not make them.  GFY

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Shii- How could it be a misrep at all? A direct quote and interpretation. Even someone who didnt agree with me couldnt be thick enough to convince themselves that it was misrepresentative when the player actually friggin said it.

You had to chop a quote to make your point. Deliberately ignoring the rest of what was said. How is not a misrep to not take into account the entire sentence?

How is it? Its a psychologically based tell. Do you just not understand what that means or something? If I said in response to you asking me if I am scum "Im scum a lot but today I am not" thats significantly more likely to come from a scummer than a townie who would just say "nope". The whole point of subconscious is that the two things are linked in his mind so he represents them differently. The whole point of the f ame is awareness of this fact and recognition of other people doing it. This cant be that hard. Also, odd number of people defending vos here.

 

 

Darthe, Vos is from Norway.  English is more than likely NOT his first language.  People who speak other languages as their first language often structure sentences awkwardly from time to time - see Tina for example, or several others.  Chopping a whole post down to a sentence fragment to remove the context and then declaring the fragment scummy is manipulation and misrepresentation.  I'm not liking your reactions here.

 

I'm also not a fan of Dice's "I think Vos is being set up / I think Darthe is town" post - I agree with Des that's pretty contradictory.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

I agree with what you say here. Vos's entire line was-'you caught me in a bad phrasing'. To me, it looks like a weird way to say rather than no-then reasons for why the no.

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Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own. Also, the bold are directly contrary. I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it. Caution is warranted and townie.
I don't understand why you're so ANGRY and UNREASONABLE in this game

Why would I be reasonable? I showed up to a shit flinging fest with beer and brats and am getting slaughtered because you got traction off of a fake claim combined with me calling shit flinging shit flinging. Also, town is either too stupid or apathetic to listen to any of my goddamn posts so I may as well not make them. GFY

I simply don't believe your response is genuine. If it is then take a deep breath and start making some sense. You're clearing scummy players based on nothing and you're trying to lynch me based on a grudge.

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Perhaps true.  I was willing to pursue it.  Show me how it's remotely alignment indicative of me.  By all means, unless any of you KNOW his alignment you should either disagree or have no opinion.  Nobody gives enough care to that post to think it warrants lynch and yet everyone is treating it like it essentially confirms me as scum.  Does it?  If it does, does it compared to a fake D1 cop claim?  How?

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Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own. Also, the bold are directly contrary. I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it. Caution is warranted and townie.
I don't understand why you're so ANGRY and UNREASONABLE in this game
Why would I be reasonable? I showed up to a shit flinging fest with beer and brats and am getting slaughtered because you got traction off of a fake claim combined with me calling shit flinging shit flinging. Also, town is either too stupid or apathetic to listen to any of my goddamn posts so I may as well not make them. GFY

I simply don't believe your response is genuine. If it is then take a deep breath and start making some sense. You're clearing scummy players based on nothing and you're trying to lynch me based on a grudge.

 

I'ma go with no.  I've cleared clear players to a town blinded by you, scum.  No real reason for me to argue this point any more, it's already fully discussed.  So let them pick one.

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Perhaps true. I was willing to pursue it. Show me how it's remotely alignment indicative of me. By all means, unless any of you KNOW his alignment you should either disagree or have no opinion. Nobody gives enough care to that post to think it warrants lynch and yet everyone is treating it like it essentially confirms me as scum. Does it? If it does, does it compared to a fake D1 cop claim? How?

What are you arguing about? I don't understand the crux of your point. Rephrase it so I can answer you.

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Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own. Also, the bold are directly contrary. I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it. Caution is warranted and townie.
I don't understand why you're so ANGRY and UNREASONABLE in this game
Why would I be reasonable? I showed up to a shit flinging fest with beer and brats and am getting slaughtered because you got traction off of a fake claim combined with me calling shit flinging shit flinging. Also, town is either too stupid or apathetic to listen to any of my goddamn posts so I may as well not make them. GFY
I simply don't believe your response is genuine. If it is then take a deep breath and start making some sense. You're clearing scummy players based on nothing and you're trying to lynch me based on a grudge.

I'ma go with no. I've cleared clear players to a town blinded by you, scum. No real reason for me to argue this point any more, it's already fully discussed. So let them pick one.

Yeah except the problem is I'm town so now what? You're gonna roll over and die for no reason?

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@ len missedc a tommy claim?"?? Which one??

 

 

there was Galactus multiple times.

 

there was a twin.

 

there was a day cop view

 

now theres masons.

 

 

Somebody explain to me why after all these lies he has ANY credibility? Why would anyone believe him now?

 

you are tunnelling terribly on him now. I feel so very secure with my vote.

 

and it is clear that the claim of twins and masons is the same thing- he implied his twin was a mason to begin with, and we all assumed as much anyway.

 

 

 

Dice is town in this game. If he were scum he wouldn't toss out any opinion that didn't fit the status quo generally. I think BH looks odd, he tends to try and figure out what is going on in the fringes of games as town and here he is actively attempting to influence main issues without fully involving himself.

 

Still, I think Red is actually getting some traction so [v] Red [/v]

I agree about Dice. He looks town to me.

 

 

 

 

Vote Arsis

 

Seemed quickest to jump on my bandwagon with the least amount of reasoning imo

Soon as dayphase started and this is what we get? You're the first vote, there is no bandwagon (And reading down the the bottom of the page, there was no bandwagon, well on you. On Tommy though, is a different story.

Bandwagon as in popular choice/opinions not votes obviously.

Arsis, Tress, Tina, and a few others were chomping at the bit calling for me to be vigged.

You say you agree with them and include yourself in the group.

I think that fits the definition of a bandwagon.

 

Even if you want to argue the semantics of bandwagon my real point was the fact that Arsis was calling me scum with the least amount of reasoning that made sense to me. Unlike the others which put at least some effort into explaining what they didn't like about what I was saying his posts were just opportunistic.

I never joined in on the "vig Nolder" thing.

 

I think I'm bored with the general idiocy going on ITT. 76 pages of nothingness and "bad vibes" as reasoning for votes do not work for me (when I choose to read said pages). No real substance.

 

I claim Bodyguard. Can we quote PM's still?

Plain regular bodyguard? No flavor? No superhero nonsense which equates to bodyguard but is a super cool superhero version?

Speaking of role fishing. lol

 

Anyway, I´m beginning to get a town feeling for Arsis. I have never played with him before but I don´t think anyone would play this way as mafia.

 

 

The way Hally caught up makes me think she can be town but I found it odd that she choose some of those quotes over others. I wonder why she has a town feeling for Tommy.

 

 

I really wish more people could just state in a short post who they are suspicious of and why.

is it really role-fishing if the person volunteers the information?

Thank you! It's not scummy to disbelieve a claim and ask for more information about it. I wasn't even asking if it worked differently I wanted to know if it has flavor or a superhero name. It's easy for scum to claim traditional roles in a game filled with nontraditional powers.

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Perhaps true. I was willing to pursue it. Show me how it's remotely alignment indicative of me. By all means, unless any of you KNOW his alignment you should either disagree or have no opinion. Nobody gives enough care to that post to think it warrants lynch and yet everyone is treating it like it essentially confirms me as scum. Does it? If it does, does it compared to a fake D1 cop claim? How?

Tommy isn't asking about your reads so much as he is asking how you formed them. He could disagree with your reads but if you have valid reasons he could say 'I don't agree but I can see how you could think that." you're not giving any reasons for your reads. You're throwing a fit and self voting. You're throwing out claims for no reason. Slow down, take a deep breath and try again.

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Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own. Also, the bold are directly contrary. I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it. Caution is warranted and townie.
I don't understand why you're so ANGRY and UNREASONABLE in this game
Why would I be reasonable? I showed up to a shit flinging fest with beer and brats and am getting slaughtered because you got traction off of a fake claim combined with me calling shit flinging shit flinging. Also, town is either too stupid or apathetic to listen to any of my goddamn posts so I may as well not make them. GFY
I simply don't believe your response is genuine. If it is then take a deep breath and start making some sense. You're clearing scummy players based on nothing and you're trying to lynch me based on a grudge.
I'ma go with no. I've cleared clear players to a town blinded by you, scum. No real reason for me to argue this point any more, it's already fully discussed. So let them pick one.

Yeah except the problem is I'm town so now what? You're gonna roll over and die for no reason?

 

I'm town too and you don't give a shit so why should I fight something that I already know the outcome of?  I don't have enough presence on this.  

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Perhaps true. I was willing to pursue it. Show me how it's remotely alignment indicative of me. By all means, unless any of you KNOW his alignment you should either disagree or have no opinion. Nobody gives enough care to that post to think it warrants lynch and yet everyone is treating it like it essentially confirms me as scum. Does it? If it does, does it compared to a fake D1 cop claim? How?

What are you arguing about? I don't understand the crux of your point. Rephrase it so I can answer you.

 

 

 

 

 

Shii- How could it be a misrep at all? A direct quote and interpretation. Even someone who didnt agree with me couldnt be thick enough to convince themselves that it was misrepresentative when the player actually friggin said it.

You had to chop a quote to make your point. Deliberately ignoring the rest of what was said. How is not a misrep to not take into account the entire sentence?

How is it? Its a psychologically based tell. Do you just not understand what that means or something? If I said in response to you asking me if I am scum "Im scum a lot but today I am not" thats significantly more likely to come from a scummer than a townie who would just say "nope". The whole point of subconscious is that the two things are linked in his mind so he represents them differently. The whole point of the f ame is awareness of this fact and recognition of other people doing it. This cant be that hard. Also, odd number of people defending vos here.

 

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I'm town too and you don't give a shit so why should I fight something that I already know the outcome of?  I don't have enough presence on this.  

 

 

Actually you do, if by presence you mean influence.

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Can anyone give me a summary? Too many long posts and WoTs...

Tommy is being tommy and Darthe is having a meltdown but not a fun meltdown. More like caught scum meltdown. I want to believe Darthe after the post about him being bullied. I just can't between the out of nowhere claim and the really combatative tone. He's apparently edited people's posts to misrepresent what they said. It's not looking good.

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^apparently?  Are you clueless?  Go read something for yourself, and yeah you're damn right I'm being combative.  I claimed over halfway to a lynch that built that kind of traction in a day, that's not out of nowhere.  Caught scum or trapped townie, how is my "meltdown" alignment indicative at all and by all means show me the difference.  Scum or Town anyone would be pissed at being treated like this on thread.

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Can anyone give me a summary? Too many long posts and WoTs...

Tommy is being tommy and Darthe is having a meltdown but not a fun meltdown. More like caught scum meltdown. I want to believe Darthe after the post about him being bullied. I just can't between the out of nowhere claim and the really combatative tone. He's apparently edited people's posts to misrepresent what they said. It's not looking good.

 

This post REEEKS of scum pushing.

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Also, I am now certain that Darthe is scum. If he's not, he sure is playing weirdly.

 

 

But your vote is on Tommy? Are you certain of him at the same level?

Darthe is scummier at this point. Also, I don't think both are scum since their actions toward each other sound like distancing.

[unvote]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Come on just tell us WHY you think Darthe is scummier

 

This is that thing you did as scum in the ... Blackhoof game?

 

I think he is scum because him gameplay is entirely different from anything I have ever seen from him before.

 

I'm really getting sick of Dawn refusing to explain herself in ANY capacity. At least with NB I know he's got this kind of magic-tuned gut read ability, but Dawn is straight asspulls and is possibly just scum, she pulled this same act as scum in the Blackhoof game and got way too far with it

  

 

 

Red do you have any objection to me sharing the reads list you PMed me during N0?

She called me her top townie. Awwww.

 

Oh really? Because I just so happened to get a similar PM from her, telling me I was her top town read as well? This should be good. I was tempted to reveal it because it felt like she overplayed her towniness in it to me,

DUN DUN DUN....

 

87 notifications since i started typing up my responses. its going to be one of those games ^_^

brief thoughts and list for lazy people who dont like to read my posts

Nolder - null. i dislike his attitude, but he had the same type of antagonistic attitude in the last game i played with him and flipped town, so null read on him for it. tbh the convo about "how to play" is more of a distraction than the fluff he was griping about.

what sticks out most is his vote, or rather lack of an unvote before using the code to re-vote Arsis. (if you go back and look, he voted Verb first using the code, after quoting the voting rule and then he didn't unvote) could be an intentional mis-vote tactic

Tommy - is still vibing town even after all of his antics. its a gut based read backed with meta reasons

Despo - is vibing town as well, which makes me question my scumdar XD

X - is starting to ping hardcore. before was just a pressure push, but he's not reacting great to pressure for me. not the scummiest person in game yet though, but he's near the top of my list.

1. his reaction to Wombat, and going after him for questioning TGI reeked tbh.

2. then there is his linking himself with Rand to defend himself

3. his tunneling on me D1. X is not a bulldog or a tunneler, so this OOC move of his out of the gate pinged. his first post of D1 is to vote me and give a reason that is backed by a misrep of my case on him. he ignores everything happening in regards of Nol and Tommy until he's prodded about it.

my vote however goes to [v]Dawn[/v] D1.

what appeared to be a TMI slip here is worth a vote and more pressure

 

 

If people started calling me Flower, that would be really weird. Even though Dawn isn't my actual name, half the time people IRL call me that anyway. Well, the confusion will now stop, since it's day.

[v]Tommy[/v]

His "I am Galactus" just looks like he's trying to make himself seem incredibly obvious. I bet his strategy here is to make people think "it would be too obvious if he's scum" and ignore him - which was his plan from the beginning, if he really is scum. I'm not sure if he is Galactus or not though. If scum told each other roles on their QT, then he'd know Galactus was in the game, even if it wasn't him. But I'm pretty certain he's scum.

 

If people started calling me Flower, that would be really weird. Even though Dawn isn't my actual name, half the time people IRL call me that anyway. Well, the confusion will now stop, since it's day.

[v]Tommy[/v]

His "I am Galactus" just looks like he's trying to make himself seem incredibly obvious. I bet his strategy here is to make people think "it would be too obvious if he's scum" and ignore him - which was his plan from the beginning, if he really is scum. I'm not sure if he is Galactus or not though. If scum told each other roles on their QT, then he'd know Galactus was in the game, even if it wasn't him. But I'm pretty certain he's scum.

 

bold - sounds like a case of TMI dawn. how do you know if Galactus is even in the game, or if he's scum.

his character is more of a 3rd party character if you go by his bio and Marvel canon. anti-town for sure, but even most villains in the Mavel universe would want to kill Galactus (even Thanos), so for you to make the assumption that he's scum and that the scum team would have known about Galactus, when Canon dictates otherwise ... this reeks of having TMI

 

Annnd Red. v.v'  All of the juicy things that've happened up to this point and you pick this to vote on?  It seem skinda weak.  I can kinda see what Dawn was trying to say.  She said IF, so I don't see what slip you're talking about.

  

Are you defending me or something here?

 

 

If you're leaning town on Dice and Dawn (and you are since you keep calling my wagon pristine), you must have seen something from them that you liked, something that said "yeah, this is a townie."

So what is it? What did they do? I see NOTHING.

Tommy u mad bro?

Dice is pure meta for me. He doesnt extend himself at all as scum and here he is plAying the field. Also, he doesnt buy your crap which is a huge plus.

Dawn is trying to figure things out. Neither of these two are logical players but they are players whose effort and earnestness only shine through as townies. Scum dawn would want to blend into the game where in this one she is standing out for having her own voice.

Apparently you forgot about last game - I was "standing out" a lot more then...and I was scum. When I have been town in previous games, I was quiet and barely posted. (I am not saying I am scum here. I'm trying to post more to become a better player.) You are clearly making no effort explaining your town read on me.

Are you trying to make it look like we are both scum here or something? Seriously, what is up with your gameplay here?

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