[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Tommyrod]

 

Nyn, you feel a bit... reserved. Usually you're making little quips at everyone, all the time.

 

What's up?

 

I already gave fair warning on the sign up thread about having limited time, hence hydra'ing up with Halli. I'm not reserved, just busy. 

 

As for quips, if you lack entertainment you can always hire a dancing monkey. Those are always fun.

 

Nyn gets defensive and deflects with humor when I question her early on. Looks good for me.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I'm just trying to think this through logically.  If NB comes up as vanilla mafia, or a godfather, or ANY town role, then wouldn't whoever roleblocked you last night still be around to do it again?

[Darthe]

 

 

So your largest scum read is the person that is voting for you? How enlightening.

 

I try so very hard.

 

This reads as scum/scum bantering. I see a Vos/Rand fight on this same page; if Vos kept Rand as a scumread and Rand is scum, it could be one of the reasons he died N1.

 

You're not aloud to speak about Rand negatively ITT.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Notbob is giving up.

 

Also can I plz get an xmen gambit siggy?  Even just playing cards done in some badass way would be an awesome one.  I'm tired of reading Nyn discussing my schlong.  

 

I am town and currently enjoying this shitshow but yeah lets keep pretending for a moment.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I'm just trying to think this through logically.  If NB comes up as vanilla mafia, or a godfather, or ANY town role, then wouldn't whoever roleblocked you last night still be around to do it again?

 

Yes, though it would essentially make me an IC and the doc could then protect themselves to endgame to confirm that they will make it into the final three.  They would have to claim that following morning if that was the case or else they could be fake CC'd to WIFOM endgame.

[Darthe]

 

Notbob is giving up.

 

Also can I plz get an xmen gambit siggy?  Even just playing cards done in some badass way would be an awesome one.  I'm tired of reading Nyn discussing my schlong.  

 

I am town and currently enjoying this shitshow but yeah lets keep pretending for a moment.

 

Sureeee.  Who are scum?

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I saw this too.  Scum can keep RBing you at this point.  Which means that there really isn't a "playing it safe" as the numbers dictate scum advantage, depending on their ability to find the doc.

[Darthe]

ITT Darthe plays with balls.  

 

Take it however you wish.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

I don't think Lenlo and TG would make such an obvious connection between themselves as scum.

I agree but that's a base statement for you.  Really safe to say.

 

 

I prolly should have added @Mynd. His case about TG wasn't bad, but his points in regards to a TG&Lenlo connection are, IMO.

 

Not sure why Nyn decided to talk about this at all. We know Len was town and TG is probably town; idle babble I guess.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I saw this too.  Scum can keep RBing you at this point.  Which means that there really isn't a "playing it safe" as the numbers dictate scum advantage, depending on their ability to find the doc.

 

I'm asking for one more night if we get a townie today or vanilla scum.  Then the doc should self protect til endgame and claim.  Smarter play.

[Clovdyx]

 

Notbob is giving up.

 

Also can I plz get an xmen gambit siggy?  Even just playing cards done in some badass way would be an awesome one.  I'm tired of reading Nyn discussing my schlong.  

 

I am town and currently enjoying this shitshow but yeah lets keep pretending for a moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I'm just trying to think this through logically.  If NB comes up as vanilla mafia, or a godfather, or ANY town role, then wouldn't whoever roleblocked you last night still be around to do it again?

 

Yes, though it would essentially make me an IC and the doc could then protect themselves to endgame to confirm that they will make it into the final three.  They would have to claim that following morning if that was the case or else they could be fake CC'd to WIFOM endgame.

 

 

Well, then it goes back to my original point...your plan sounds good, but if DT isn't the roleblocker, then it doesn't matter. 

 

I also don't know what IC means in this context.

[Tyler Glembo]

That's like, a quadruple ninja'd

[Tommyrod]

 

That's what I said.

 

You guys have hydra chat? What have you been talking about? Why is Hallia quiet? I would prefer she posts more; she's easier to read than you are.

 

No, we don't have a hydra chat, we've developed psychic powers last spring when we on a get away to the Bahamas. I can also make Hallia orgasm by looking at a can of coke. It's uncanny.

 

Being dismissive of me with humor again.

[Tyler Glembo]

ITT Darthe plays with balls.  

 

Take it however you wish.

 

Also out of the thread.  Take it however you wish.

[Darthe]

IC is innocent child since that is what it would essentially turn me into.  Cleared town for a day or so and then I'm practically assured to be the scum NK..

[Tommyrod]

The quips you've longed for suddenly aren't appealing? Oh well.

 

Yes, we have a hydra qt. Halli has posted in it as much as she's been posting in this thread. I guess she's busy with work. Not much I can do about it but wait for her to show up.

 

But fair enough re: Hallia, I just associate her slanking with scum, and you were quiet too, so it was giving me the heebs.

 

Those deep dry heebs.

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I said.

 

You guys have hydra chat? What have you been talking about? Why is Hallia quiet? I would prefer she posts more; she's easier to read than you are.

 

No, we don't have a hydra chat, we've developed psychic powers last spring when we on a get away to the Bahamas. I can also make Hallia orgasm by looking at a can of coke. It's uncanny.

 

 

Powerful commentary if true.

 

 

I'd love to watch. Let me know.

I like voyeurs ;) I'll see what I can do.

 

I leave the comparison of these two interactions as an exercise for the reader.

[Darthe]

Yeah I think NB is sealed.  Just look at the way he handled my guilty claim.  

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Yeah I think NB is sealed.  Just look at the way he handled my guilty claim.  

 

With a vote.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

[Tommyrod]

 

Don't sell yourself short.  I'm a fan.

 

I can't compete with Halli. She's so... squishy.

 

On a totally unrelated note, I clicked your bobclub link and it made me laugh. I have the urge to belong... does calling my right boob bob count?  lol  Cause you know.... bob should totally be the singular form.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

She likes to suck up to people for affection. It's endearing :P

 

Probably has something to do with the Coke can.  ;)

 

 

She's a coke addict now. Lives were ruined. I'm doing great, though.

 

There's a lot of this sort of fluff interaction between Nyn and NB and nothing of substance. I don't see a point where they ever went at each other.

 

It's hard to get a lot out of Nyn because she didn't put herself out there very much.

 

I'm interested in this post though:

 

I just finished rereading and I have to say I really don't agree with Halli about Rand. lol I think he's had an overall townie narrative.

 

Not loving DT at all. And if I had poop in a bag and a lighter, I'd be lighting up that bugger and leaving it at TG's doorstep.

The "mention one player and sus another" is a classic scum move, but I don't see why she felt the need to "correct" Hallia on Rand... and then immediately change the topic.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

[Tommyrod]

Tommy and Cory often use previous game analysis to try to prove something. Last time I saw Tommy do it was on a case on Clov where he matched up his posts from a game on another site where he was scum with the posts he had in game we were playing. We ended up lynching Clov for it and he flipped town.

 

So, as worthless as that analysis is in practice, it's a null tell for me in regards to Tommy. He literally always does this. Generally speaking it's best to focus on this game and stop using previous games as if it means much of anything. It's not even referencing meta so much as actually matching word by word. It's dumb.

 

 

 

This is fair, even if I disagree that in-your-face evidence that this is my town game is "worthless."

 

But yeah that Clov case ended up being bad. Whoops. It seemed so good at the time though!

 

Of course it's fair. Any scum worth its salt can play a certain way and then link to a previous game where he played the same AND was town... as if it proves anything. It doesn't.

 

Here she half defends me and half discredits me. Not sure what this was about other than just talking to talk.

[RandA lThor]

So let's talk about reasoning and anticipated effects of it (affects too):

 

I planned on faking a result on DT or NotBob today unless I got a scum result on Clov in which case I would simply have outted him.  This gave me the advantage of being a view up that scum wouldn't know about unless they knew I was lying about my result because I called a townie scum etc.  Even then it could be a miller so this would have messed up scum somewhat.  Here are things I intended to get from this:

 

The person I called scum if town would have argued: No, I'm not scum, vote darthe, he must be lying etc.  Scum is more likely to shut up and have others do that while they play to trying and miscredit me over time and live.  Townies, especially in this instance, WANT to get me killed where scum want to live.  Distinguished differences which I wanted to see from whoever I claimed a view on.  

 

People around them, if scum, would be discouraged.  In this instance I expected a vote with no reasoning.  Note how very different Rand was from this.  He reacted as a townie would, playing to what knowledge he gained in the moment and immediately trying to apply it so he could figure things out.  That's the perfect townie reaction to this entire thing and it was intended to help me clear the air about who to view last.

 

Near EoD: When the person had responded and garnered votes I intended to reveal that I didn't view them and play based on the reactions of the day crossed with Nyn and my earlier reads of them.  Keep in mind that Clov was my view, Notbob and Drunk Tank were my scum reads and I was iffy on Mynd.  This play really allowed them to exemplify the way they wanted to play and after claiming that I faked the view I could even claim another fake read as town to see if I could get scum to kill someone who was then "cleared" if town and if thy didn't killl that person it would help me get a better scum read on them.

 

This play had a lot of gains and all that it required was that someone could follow directions well enough to hold off on insta-lynching claimed scum at the behest of the cop.  Why?  Townies should want to truly follow the cop and trust in that persons' plan making skills barring that the cop has shown themselves to be totally incompetent.  Naturally, going against this and/or voting someone out early is characterized as opportunistic, greedy and sloppy play.  The vote scheme done at 4:20 (lol) probably isn't coordinated so I expect that the two of them aren't scum together but it definitely heightens my scum read on clov.  

 

Worth note here is that me being roleblocked didn't reduce most of the capabilities of this play.  DT needed to die (I would never view him), Townies still reacted the same though scum would be more neutral (unless my DT intuition was right in which case they would panic) and try to blend through what they knew was going to be a crap day until they began to pin things on me at evening/night when they are "sure" this means I am scum pulling some huge gambit, nearly everything retains its' value.

 

What this means in terms of the day is that I think Mynd looks a considerable margin better based on his reactions/predictions, rand is clear, TG remains clear, one of Tommy/Clov is prob scum (leaning clov heavily) and Notbob played exactly to the scum handbook of "idk what's going on, let me tiptoe in" and DT very well could still be scum sealing this game.

 

Also notable is that scum will almost certainly not have both an RB and a GF so if I get rid of the RB this is probably game over for the scum team.  

 

Well color me impressed.  I certainly wouldn't put the weight behind it that you are, but this is some pretty good analysis.

 

 

 

So your largest scum read is the person that is voting for you? How enlightening.

 

I try so very hard.

 

This reads as scum/scum bantering. I see a Vos/Rand fight on this same page; if Vos kept Rand as a scumread and Rand is scum, it could be one of the reasons he died N1.

 

Vos eased up on me later.  Killing him would only be counterproductive if I had gotten Vos to ease up on me first.

 

 

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I'm just trying to think this through logically.  If NB comes up as vanilla mafia, or a godfather, or ANY town role, then wouldn't whoever roleblocked you last night still be around to do it again?

 

Do you mean DT?

 

 

 

 

So your largest scum read is the person that is voting for you? How enlightening.

 

I try so very hard.

 

This reads as scum/scum bantering. I see a Vos/Rand fight on this same page; if Vos kept Rand as a scumread and Rand is scum, it could be one of the reasons he died N1.

 

You're not aloud to speak about Rand negatively ITT.

 

Sorry I saw this, and it bugged me.  "allowed"

 

 

Notbob is giving up.

 

Also can I plz get an xmen gambit siggy?  Even just playing cards done in some badass way would be an awesome one.  I'm tired of reading Nyn discussing my schlong.  

 

I am town and currently enjoying this shitshow but yeah lets keep pretending for a moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If DT flips town I'm a big fan of Clov and Tommy outing themselves with the coupled vote.  Clever.

I'm not.  I want to lynch clov more now but I think we can play this safe enough for me to view the other.  That said I think it helps make Mynd look better now that Tommy has fallen from grace, as it were.

 

 

Then you better pray DT is the RBer...

 

Are you claiming scum?

 

 

I saw this too.  Scum can keep RBing you at this point.  Which means that there really isn't a "playing it safe" as the numbers dictate scum advantage, depending on their ability to find the doc.

 

I'm asking for one more night if we get a townie today or vanilla scum.  Then the doc should self protect til endgame and claim.  Smarter play.

 

no no no no no no no no.  If RB is still alive, then RB blocks doc, and then kills doc, and then we're back to a 3 way position.  Doc doesn't claim, at least then, worst case scenario, we'll have a doc, a townie and a mafia, and whoever the mafia ccs, it'll be 50/50

[Tommyrod]

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

 

 

 

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

 

 

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

 

 

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default?

 

 

You've never even played with me as scum.

 

 

 

Tommy linked us to a game where you were scum when we lynched you. I have bothered to read your posts BEFORE voting to lynch you. :P

 

Nice try at discrediting, though.

 

She got extremely snippy with me when I said voting Clov was bad. If she and Clov were scum/scum she could have just agreed with what I said and slowly backed off him, but she doubled down.

 

 

 

 

Vote Clov

 

Your lack of motivation in this game troubles me. I know you love being town, especially if you score a PR. I also know you hate rolling scum. Pouty Clov is a scummy Clov. *waggles finger*

This is probably bad. I found myself nodding along to his statements earlier in the game. Same on-point vibe as another recent town game of his.

 

Plus TG wants to lynch him.

 

I've seen Clov make excellent points as scum before.

 

 

Ah TG wants to lynch him! So under your criteria anyone that TG is after is town by default?

 

For sure. He was effective like that in Twilight mafia. He was one of the more consensus clear players until must lynch. It's part of why I don't trust him in general. But we've had two really good collaborative town/town games where I felt good about him right away despite always tinfoiling a little bit on him. He had the same air to him early on. If his posting has dropped off hard I haven't noticed and that could be an actual scum tell for him. But he's a strong player and not someone I advocate lynching on D1. (Tried once; oops.)

 

And I get that you're mocking me but yes, TG pushing two of the strongest players in the game on D1 has me concerned. If he's scum it's a good tactic because he'll be able to "park" his vote on me for a while as it's really hard to get me lynched, so he avoids spewing other players for as long as I'm alive and he can keep harassing me... and if people get paranoid and I get lynched, even better! I call this the Tom Park on POG, wolves do it to me there quite a bit, especially in larger games.

 

I saw he was still arguing against me with hypocritical reasoning (calling MY argument a misstep is pure fabrication when HIS argument is the sort of spin I expect of someone like Red). Will respond in full when I can get to a comp.

 

I would love your thoughts on him and his "argument."

 

And that's an open invitation to everyone, few people have really pressed either of us yet. I was surprised to see NB didn't get into the thick of it at all.

 

Salami, THAT is a guy in commentary mode.

 

This post was good and is also a reminder that NB completely ignored the TG/Tom fight despite having a vested interest in it.

 

NB has just called me scum from D1 and never relaxed that read or tried to develop it.

 

 

Then I really don't understand why you're voting me. You said my lack of motivation worries you, which I can accept on the surface level - I'm not going to sit here and pretend I've been a major try hard, and I'm not going to make a bunch of excuses. Tom soft defends me for making posts he apparently agreed with (which is weird). You say you've seen me make good points as scum. If that's from whichever game Tom linked you to during RG - Twilight, I think? - you wouldn't have come to the conclusion that I hate rolling mafia OR that I'm pouty.

My point to Tom is that you can be extremely sensible regardless of alignment.

 

The conclusion of you not liking to roll scum didn't come from me reading that game. It came from when I modded my Buffy game and you practically begged me not to make you scum.

 

The pouty bit was in jest =)

 

Clov's response to Nyn is good. Possible NB is the last scum and that's the end of it.