[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

Nynaeve · July 25, 2014

What is strange about it is you mention me being wary of another player. That indicates you know I'm town since only town would have cause to be wary.

I don't even know what to say to that, honestly. That's my vocabulary and I'm pretty sure I used the word properly. *shrugs*

Myndrunner · July 25, 2014

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

csarmi · July 25, 2014

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

Foolish but several players think like that. Do you think it stands out for TG?

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

Fair enough.

#1) You both posted in tandem. Even when Tommy called that a stretch, the two of you posted together. Why did you need to post "Lenlo, I need your help" only to post a silly gif instead? Please explain the logic behind that. To me, that suggests you were signaling someone to read something in your mafia QT. With Lenlo flipping town, I can't understand why you would do that at all. Was it a joke that bombed or were you trying to signal attention to him?

My case was on you. The Lenlo connection was only a small part of it and was more about Lenlo than you. And it's just my case, take it or leave it. Why are you overreacting this way?

That still doesn't explain the contradiction in your original case. I'd like for you to at least admit the obvious contradiction, otherwise you're lolcatting.

As to your question, I posted that to him just to post that gif. That's it. He and I have been joking around for a while and it's fun.

As for overreacting, what would you do if you posed multiple questions to someone and they refused to answer?

Myndrunner · July 25, 2014

Question #3: Since my vote on Kronos was during the RVS stage but still somehow a part of your case, do you know what the Random Vote Stage is? (also known as Joke Voting)

You pushed on an inactive. Hella early.

Also, there are no joke votes in mafia. Even though we pretend there are, we have a motivation behind it. That's when mafia like to vote each other so they can later say "hey, look i voted so and so." Even if only on a subconscious level, the first votes of a D1 mafia phase are not random.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really.

Myndrunner · July 25, 2014

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

Foolish but several players think like that. Do you think it stands out for TG?

He's the only one who made a public statement about it.

csarmi · July 25, 2014

What is strange about it is you mention me being wary of another player. That indicates you know I'm town since only town would have cause to be wary.

I don't even know what to say to that, honestly. That's my vocabulary and I'm pretty sure I used the word properly. *shrugs*

We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

Question #3: Since my vote on Kronos was during the RVS stage but still somehow a part of your case, do you know what the Random Vote Stage is? (also known as Joke Voting)

You pushed on an inactive. Hella early.

Also, there are no joke votes in mafia. Even though we pretend there are, we have a motivation behind it. That's when mafia like to vote each other so they can later say "hey, look i voted so and so." Even if only on a subconscious level, the first votes of a D1 mafia phase are not random.

Have you ever seen scum use the defense of "I voted so and so in RVS"? I have never seen that. The fact that you would mention it like it makes sense beggars belief. (not to even mention town RVS votes)

Mynd, you're clearly lolcatting at this point.

Nynaeve · July 25, 2014

We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here

lol wat?

csarmi · July 25, 2014

We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here

lol wat?

He is wary of people who are wary around here ...

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

Question #3: Since my vote on Kronos was during the RVS stage but still somehow a part of your case, do you know what the Random Vote Stage is? (also known as Joke Voting)

You pushed on an inactive. Hella early.

Also, there are no joke votes in mafia. Even though we pretend there are, we have a motivation behind it. That's when mafia like to vote each other so they can later say "hey, look i voted so and so." Even if only on a subconscious level, the first votes of a D1 mafia phase are not random.

To push this, what do you think of BFG's vote on Lenlo on p3? It was the first "RVS" vote which you don't believe in. By your logic she was pushing an inactive since Lenlo hadn't checked in yet. Care to comment?

I only ask so that maybe you can see how ridiculous you are yourself.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

What is strange about it is you mention me being wary of another player. That indicates you know I'm town since only town would have cause to be wary.

I don't even know what to say to that, honestly. That's my vocabulary and I'm pretty sure I used the word properly. *shrugs*

Do you think scum would ever be wary of another player?

Nynaeve · July 25, 2014

What is strange about it is you mention me being wary of another player. That indicates you know I'm town since only town would have cause to be wary.

I don't even know what to say to that, honestly. That's my vocabulary and I'm pretty sure I used the word properly. *shrugs*

Do you think scum would ever be wary of another player?

In actuality? no. But they'd be pretending to be.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

In actuality? no. But they'd be pretending to be.

Right. So you saying that I was wary indicates that you know I'm town because scum wouldn't be wary "in actuality."

That is what caught my eye about your post and makes me nervous about you.

Myndrunner · July 25, 2014

@TG - Was this a joke vote or "Real Talk" ?

Real Talk: [v]Kronos[/v]

I'm reading between the lines of his 0 posts so far and I've come to two conclusions. He's totes mcgotes scum. And I'm pretty awesome at mafia.

What did you mean by this?

Lenlo, I need your help.

@TG - I think you started off with your "unwritten rule" comment to justify your vote on Darthe, who is a typical scapeGOAT in these games. You say its an unwritten rule, but no one else but you has heard of it. Why do you want our attention off DT, especially since players other than me have gotten scum reads on him?

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level). I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM.

Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm.

[v]Darthe[/v]

Don't take it easy on me. I'm no baby.

I don't plan on taking it easy on you by any means, that said, I personally won't lynch you D1. I'd rather give you at least that much time to get used to the culture differences in DM mafia play compared to other places.

Top 3 town/scum reads so far?

@TG - why were you so anxious for a lynch and yet so busy being everyone's jokey-joke friend? How come one of your strongest town reads also picked up on it?

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay.

Drunk Tank · July 25, 2014

........ she said something about putting flaming dog ish on my doorstep (assuming that meant she thought I was scummy) is very strange. FOS.

I believe it was my doorstep.

I had no idea we could still post during night phase. Very unusual for me. Quite a bit to read.

I'd like to see some analysis/insight from you today.

I work graveyard shift and will be going to bed shortly. Hopefully I will have something to post in 12-14 hours after I get to work.

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

You seem to move around on this point.

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

Foolish but several players think like that. Do you think it stands out for TG?

He's the only one who made a public statement about it.

(bolded-underlined) This is not true. I have repeated myself about this.

Myndrunner · July 25, 2014

Question #3: Since my vote on Kronos was during the RVS stage but still somehow a part of your case, do you know what the Random Vote Stage is? (also known as Joke Voting)

You pushed on an inactive. Hella early.

Also, there are no joke votes in mafia. Even though we pretend there are, we have a motivation behind it. That's when mafia like to vote each other so they can later say "hey, look i voted so and so." Even if only on a subconscious level, the first votes of a D1 mafia phase are not random.

Have you ever seen scum use the defense of "I voted so and so in RVS"? I have never seen that. The fact that you would mention it like it makes sense beggars belief. (not to even mention town RVS votes)

Mynd, you're clearly lolcatting at this point.

Yes I have actually. It doesn't happen as much as it used to, but the opening vote in a game of mafia is as crucial as your opening chess move.

Regardless, you were "Real Talk" when you voted Kronos. You made it clear it wasn't a joke vote.

Nynaeve · July 25, 2014

In actuality? no. But they'd be pretending to be.

Right. So you saying that I was wary indicates that you know I'm town because scum wouldn't be wary "in actuality."

That is what caught my eye about your post and makes me nervous about you.

So under your consideration, I'm supposed to know whether you're pretending to be wary of Clov or you actually are wary of Clov?

The point remains that you stated that you had a scum lean on Clov and that is what I was referring to. If I used a word that you don't like for it, then I guess I'll just have to live with the horror =)

Myndrunner · July 25, 2014

........ she said something about putting flaming dog ish on my doorstep (assuming that meant she thought I was scummy) is very strange. FOS.

I believe it was my doorstep.

I had no idea we could still post during night phase. Very unusual for me. Quite a bit to read.

I'd like to see some analysis/insight from you today.

I work graveyard shift and will be going to bed shortly. Hopefully I will have something to post in 12-14 hours after I get to work.

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

You seem to move around on this point.

Question #2: Do you think there is a difference between saying "I won't lynch Player X today" vs. " I will never lynch Player X nomatter what"?

Not really. Why should anyone get a pass for any reason? There are no certainties in mafia. You giving DT a pass even for just D1 is foolish.

Foolish but several players think like that. Do you think it stands out for TG?

He's the only one who made a public statement about it.

(bolded-underlined) This is not true. I have repeated myself about this.

Who else made a public statement that they won't lynch DT on D1? Please quote it because I can't find it.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

@TG - Was this a joke vote or "Real Talk" ?

Real Talk: [v]Kronos[/v]

I'm reading between the lines of his 0 posts so far and I've come to two conclusions. He's totes mcgotes scum. And I'm pretty awesome at mafia.

That was a joke. "Reading between the lines of his 0 posts so far" "totes mcgotes" It was clear to every other player in the game I was joking around.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

What did you mean by this?

Lenlo, I need your help.

I had just found that funny gif on reddit and needed an excuse to post it. So I called in Lenlo.

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

@TG - I think you started off with your "unwritten rule" comment to justify your vote on Darthe, who is a typical scapeGOAT in these games. You say its an unwritten rule, but no one else but you has heard of it. Why do you want our attention off DT, especially since players other than me have gotten scum reads on him?

Drunk, Rand, the funny characters guy. Those are the three I would smite with my sword.

Nynlia, Darthe, and Drunk (but not) are the three howlers right now IMO (maybe Vos thrown in at a slightly lesser level). I wouldn't lynch Drunk because it's an unwritten common courtesy law that we never D1 lynch people who are playing their first game here on DM.

Top townies are Len, Tommy, BFArm.

[v]Darthe[/v]

Don't take it easy on me. I'm no baby.

I don't plan on taking it easy on you by any means, that said, I personally won't lynch you D1. I'd rather give you at least that much time to get used to the culture differences in DM mafia play compared to other places.

Top 3 town/scum reads so far?

I voted Darthe because he came into the thread and underwhelmed. You thinking I needed an excuse is strange. Furthermore, you commenting only on Drunk and not the fact that I also didn't vote Nynlia is strange. Why so one sided Mynd?

Tyler Glembo · July 25, 2014

@TG - why were you so anxious for a lynch and yet so busy being everyone's jokey-joke friend? How come one of your strongest town reads also picked up on it?

Why so anxious for a lynch, TG?

TG, you are rapidly switching between serious and goofy and I ding understand the transitions. What's up? You on crack?

Another game with 100 pages of D1 spam posts will be soul destroying for me, so I'd rather get this game kick started and at least push some gameplay.

The base of your question is wrong. There is a difference between wanting to move on to gameplay v. being eager for a lynch.

RandA lThor · July 25, 2014

1) the inherent assumption that he's gonna live through the night

2) the inactivity at night

I don't think he's rolefishing though.

1) Well, if I die, then I don't have worry about scumhunting anyways. :P

2) I like how you take that one statement and instantly say I was inactive at night. I scumhunted, did analysis, and more at night, but I was at the point where I wasn't going anywhere further until more info popped up. That's not called inactivity.

Thanks mafia? I hope that was sarcasm, Salami. Damn MCP and that punk Dillinger killed Lacy Underalls!

This is the scummiest I've seen Vos play, especially with his refusal to unvote while not wanting the votes to go random. If any of the mafia had a strong scum case against him, he wouldn't have been the choice. Why was he the choice? No one here is a n00b to mafia, so they chose Vos because his death would benefit them the most.

Who looks more townie and innocent because Vos flipped town? Was he onto something or was he a threat?

@Rand - you were anxiously awaiting the turn of the phase. How does Vos flipping town change your overall reads?

@Csarmi - what did you mean "Thanks Mafia" for clearing what up?

@TG - Why are you so mafia?

I was actually hoping someone would die that was in my 1/3 scum list but I guess that was too much to hope for. :P But the fact that someone died outside of that list does give me a signal.

If scum saw that list that I made and thought, oh Vos is townie, lets kill him, then that probably means one of two things, and hopefully both. The majority of the people that I thought were town in that list of no pressure but towntelling like Mynd and Tommy and others are probably town. Secondly, the scum list I came up with is much more likely to have 1 scum, and a possibility of 2.

That being said, the same can be said for the other list of people who got more pressure on day 1. I'll be coming back to this.

[v]Mynd[/v]

I've moved from you just trolling me to you being scum. Your reads so far in regards to Lenlo and Vos have been either wrong or scum motivated. Your trolling of me is off the charts and I know I'm town. So you're 0/3 on reads so far which makes you >rand to be scum.

Other scum candidates are Rand based of Vos death and both Tommy and DT from yesterday.

Lol gotta agree with what Mynd says later on this one. Let me rewrite your reasoning so that it both displays what your actual reasoning was, but does it in a way that doesn't make it sound better than it actually is.

You have been wrong about 2 reads, so you're mafia. Oh and you're going after me too, so you're more likely to be mafia.

How do you not know that this is outing you as scum? Why are you so afraid of people actually taking my thoughts seriously?

Because you're scum. So people taking your thoughts seriously will lose the game and I'd prefer that didn't happen.

That and you post ridiculous things, and then when I question you on it you avoid my questions. I'd like them answered to I'll try again.

Question #1: In your case you said I knew Lenlo was online from our QT so I posted to him in the thread. In the very next sentence you said I posted to him in the thread because I needed him to get online and read the QT. Explain why you said I knew Lenlo was online so I needed do so something to get him online.

In retrospect, your case relied quite heavily on made up interactions between Lenlo and I, which should downgrade your case from a 4/10 to a -1/10.

TGlems, just stop looking at all the weird parts in Mynd's case and saying oh you didn't respond to this and that. Use the case that I made out of Mynd's case if you want one thats more streamlined, and then respond to that.

I've noticed that you've only responded to Mynd's case, perhaps because its easier to defend against than mine?

What's strange about it? Haven't been a fan of you thus far but I have other people at the top of my scum list. Town or scum, you are confined to the statements you make on thread. One of which was your suspicion of Clov. You could be bussing Clov. You could be legit scum reading him. Not sure which of them it is yet.

In any case, Mynd was trying to make a point on how starting a Clov train was a lost cause. I disagree because I don't think I was the only one who felt iffy about him.

What is strange about it is you mention me being wary of another player. That indicates you know I'm town since only town would have cause to be wary.

Lol what? Not at all, scum are definitely wary of people. Wary of people that have good reads on them, wary of people that are prs, etc.

Question #3: Since my vote on Kronos was during the RVS stage but still somehow a part of your case, do you know what the Random Vote Stage is? (also known as Joke Voting)

You pushed on an inactive. Hella early.

Also, there are no joke votes in mafia. Even though we pretend there are, we have a motivation behind it. That's when mafia like to vote each other so they can later say "hey, look i voted so and so." Even if only on a subconscious level, the first votes of a D1 mafia phase are not random.

Have to agree with TG on this, joke votes do exist. My vote on you was purely intended to be a joke/get back at you for last game vote, nothing to do with this game. Even here you imply that there can be joke votes. You say mafia like to joke vote each other, but town then can actually have joke votes. I don't even agree with the mafia joke voting each other, but even with that being true, town still definitely joke votes other people.

TG, you basically OMGUSed Mynd, are only attacking the weak cases against you, and making me want to go back to my initial read on you before looking at Clov/Darthe/Nynlia. Not liking this at all.

Also, I think I missed one of Mynd's question posts in my multiquote, so I'll go back and get that.

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