[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Clovdyx]

 

Posts like this make me think you're scum.  You accuse people for discrediting you, rather than your case, but then somebody points out why you're wrong and your response is to make a sarcastic post that serves to discredit how TG (appropriately) responded?  If you disagree with his stance on not lynching somebody their first phase here, whatever, but why are you trying to belittle TG for it.  

 

Especially considering Drunk Tank seems to be the closest thing you have to a townread.

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but there's been a lot of hypocrisy in this game; it's not necessarily scum motivated. If he CAN'T back up his statements (like NB), then it might be.

 

You and Darthe have this odd rapport -> care to case him for me?

 

 

It's not the hypocrisy aspect I take exception to (though it's obviously not a good look) - it's the reasoning behind it.  I don't think Mynd's case on TG was particularly good, and TG's responses were appropriate for where we're at in the game without sounding contrived.  If Mynd's actually town and trying to push a case he believes in, then he shouldn't be laughing the response off when a legitimate issue with his case is presented, since he obviously doesn't know TG's alignment.  His post directed at Drunk seems to be blowing TG's stance out of proportion, and the only reason I can come up with for doing it is if he already knows TG's alignment and doesn't care to hear what he's saying.

 

 

Darthe is currently one of my stronger townreads.  Him and I seem to be reading things mostly the same, and I think he's been pressing/questioning the right things. 

[Clovdyx]

[Darthe.]

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry I've been gone a couple of days.  Life got in the way and that's all that needs to be said for now.  

 

We've gained about 10 pages since I was gone ( ) so let's talk about that.  

 

First and foremost I think we can successfully summate this from today:

 

Vos is prob town here

Clov too

Rand too

TG is likely town

Tommy is likely town (people asked me why for this read earlier, it is mainly because his tone and WIM here is consistent with what I am used to from townmmy)

I've dropped my other reads since they've become muddled

 

Game on.  Vote Rand

 

Scummy, opportunistic trying to hard to avoid conflict.

It's ironic that nobb (notbob) calls rand opportunistic here and explains his own vote away with the bold.  This post provided nothing beneficial to the discussion, not even thoughts beyond "Rand bad".  I, to be clear, don't think the vote is a bad one.  I think his throwaway reasoning is godawful and will probably come back to this should we see a town rand flip in the future.  

 

I like this for two reasons.  First, I think it's fairly townish to question somebody's reasons, even if you agree with the action.  Secondly, and more importantly, I pointed out that I felt Notbob's vote of Rand seemed far more opportunistic to me than Rand's vote in my case, so Darthe gets points for pointing the same out.

 

 

 

I didn't like Vos myself. Soemthing about the way he's been joking

 

 

Pfft, you're just making wishy-washy negative statements on me because I'm onto you. 

 

Csarmi/BFG is totally overplaying fake scumhunting, prodding and cheerfulness-joking around in-thread. 

 

!!!!!!!111

 

Tommy, Darthe, Mynd is looking town. 

 

Bit more unsure of Nyn/Hally

 

BGCsarmi on top (or bottom, depending on how you see it)

 

Xthrax is looking überscummy. Not ready to commit yet though. 

 

 

FOS.

 

Fear of commitment.

 

Nobb didn't only miss that this was a joke but he never addressed it when he got called out for missing that this was a joke.  He instead brushed it off.  I've quoted this so anyone interested can go back and read it.  I anticipated something different here but it isn't scummy so much as perplexing in general.  

 

Again, another valid point against my top scum candidate.   It's like he needed a reason to push somebody, because seriously...how do you not realize calling the MOD scummy probably isn't serious gameplay?

 

Not liking Rand's very reserved and casual response to my question. I was expecting more....Dragon......and got a tame puppy instead.

I am confused as to what this means.  

 

 

 

Not a fan of TG deciding that TD deserves some kind of free pass today. I don't care if someone is new. Not even sure why he brought it up.... unless he finds him suspicious? Because if he doesn't, then why even mention him?

 

For as long as I've played on DM new players are pushed D1, coached D1, engaged D1, but not lynched D1.  Your weak wanna-be FOS is a weak wanna-be FOS.

 

 

 

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

 

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

 

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

 

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

 

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

 

This was a neutral, slight positive at best, but I'm quoting it because it does concern me that my salami read could be wrong.  

 

Darthe seems to have not committed to the game just yet.

 

On the other hand Lenlo interacts with several different posts/players with only fluffy comments. I see more potential here. 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

Wish DT(f) hadn't made this post.  I had essentially nothing on him (also, he doesn't fit my thoughts about the scum team) but with not meta it's tough to not call him out on a post like this.  Really simply weak reasoning for his thoughts.  It's like he is forcing himself to express an opinion.  

 

Scum team:
Salami

Notbob

 

Scummy:

Mynd (only by association to my reads, I have nothing personally on him but I expect to have town leans on him by this point when he is town, aka potential tinfoil)

DT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Avenue of Productive Discussion.

Day One will almost always result in the lynching of a townie simply because of odds (we all know this). My focus thus far has not been so much on the discussion between Clov, Vos, and RandA. I've been more watching those lurking.

Scum will participate early on just enough and let town lynch town. I have a tendency/prefer to lynch lurkers.

This is DM. We tend to lynch scum on D1 around here.

So what do you think of those who didn't participate much so far?

I'm rereading at the moment.

But I will place my vote on either Lenlo or Darthe.

If you could advance the case against Darthe and say...get him to L-1...I'd hammer.

Darthe, ^ ?

 

Nothing more I can say about it that it doesn't say about itself.  No case on me, no real gameplay on thread related to me, I see very little to comment on.  Glad that I got something from Nyn, Mynd and you for not saying it though, that worked decently.  

 

On a related note, I don't consider salami/TGjoke to be a train and my name has only popped up in the above since.  It's odd to see who responded to this based on that.

 

 

I don't know what you expected Darthe to say in response to your probe, but I don't have any problems with this answer.  Unless he gave an over-the-top kneejerk OMGUS response to Notbob, he hit the nail on the head as best as he could.

 

 

In tandem meaning we both posted our problems with your case immediately after you posted it? Its not like there was a day's wait between your case and our response's Mynd. You posted your case and we posted our responses to it immediately after we saw it because we, and others, were online at the time. Its amazing how things like that work.

 

Besides none of that changes how weak the case is in and of itself.

 

^Len is prob town here.  It's sheerly a valid point and even if it weren't I can't see how what Mynd is arguing could be construed as scummy.

 

 

 

 

@Tommy - I also note how serious you are about letting everyone know not only that you're town, but what an absolute asset you are.  I don't disagree when you're town, but you're not this game and your nervousness is showing.
 
Quotes below with relevant parts bolded.
 

BFG, let's catch up tomorrow. I haven't forgotten you, just haven't gotten around to it. Got caught up in another game that's at must-lynch and I die tonight, so I have to solve it for the village before I die and it's a real fustercluck.

 
 

At the risk of opening another Pandora's Darthe, may I ask what I have done to deserve such praise?

It's interesting, from an outside-the-game perspective, how polarizing I am so far. I'm not used to it on DM, usually everyone just clears me and we move on. Makes me think I'm on the right track with something.

There's an emerging adage on POG that I think has some merit: "the most correct villager tends to get lynched D1."

 
 

Could be I'm seen as a good push because there are players here that are unfamiliar with me. Most of the players I have multiple games of experience with are clearing me.

Not TG though! You scoundrel!

 

Let's ask the audience.

Rand, Hallia, Lenlo: are the quoted posts more likely to come from a villager or a wolf mindset, IYO?

 

Dislike this post a lot.  Two reasons.  

1) polling a group of people to push someone into buying your alignment is mega salesman-like.  People who have something to sell in this game have a reason for not stating things outright which is rarely good.

2) Why those three?  Segregating a group gives Tommy an unnatural advantage here of choosing what opinions he wants vocalized.  

This was a rough post to see from someone I've had such a quick and sure read on thus far.  Tommy, can you explain any town reason for doing the above?  Or... your reason(s)?

 

 

Bold is a legitimate concern and a very appropriate question.

 

 

 

[/Darthe]

[Clovdyx]

Previous post contains chopped quotes, because apparently there's a limit on how many nested quotes you can have in one post.

[RandA lThor]

*sigh* I have to get through so many long posts. I already read everything in class, but couldnt really respond there.

 

Preview: I have questioned Mynd before and I do have faults with him, Lenlo is doing some stuff which I generally see as scum, if TG is scum, DT is more likely to be scum, NB isnt as scummy as you think, Tommy/TG emotional makeup suggests minimum of one scum, and possibly more clever insights as soon as I get on my laptop.

 

Now I know how you guys felt going through my super long posts, but this is way longer lol

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

...and nobody is gonna say anything about my awesome NotBob case?

 

あなたの男を吸う!!!!

 

i lol

[Myndrunner]

 

 

Posts like this make me think you're scum.  You accuse people for discrediting you, rather than your case, but then somebody points out why you're wrong and your response is to make a sarcastic post that serves to discredit how TG (appropriately) responded?  If you disagree with his stance on not lynching somebody their first phase here, whatever, but why are you trying to belittle TG for it.  

 

Especially considering Drunk Tank seems to be the closest thing you have to a townread.

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but there's been a lot of hypocrisy in this game; it's not necessarily scum motivated. If he CAN'T back up his statements (like NB), then it might be.

 

You and Darthe have this odd rapport -> care to case him for me?

 

 

It's not the hypocrisy aspect I take exception to (though it's obviously not a good look) - it's the reasoning behind it.  I don't think Mynd's case on TG was particularly good, and TG's responses were appropriate for where we're at in the game without sounding contrived.  If Mynd's actually town and trying to push a case he believes in, then he shouldn't be laughing the response off when a legitimate issue with his case is presented, since he obviously doesn't know TG's alignment.  His post directed at Drunk seems to be blowing TG's stance out of proportion, and the only reason I can come up with for doing it is if he already knows TG's alignment and doesn't care to hear what he's saying.

 

 

Darthe is currently one of my stronger townreads.  Him and I seem to be reading things mostly the same, and I think he's been pressing/questioning the right things. 

 

 

What legitimate issue? Because he meant D1 instead of the whole game?   He's splitting hairs with that.  Why would you give any player a pass even for a phase? I made a joke out of it because his response was, in itself, a joke.  How can you not see how scummy that was?

 

Ya know, just because you say my case was weak and TG's reaction made sense doesn't mean its true.  I can't believe a Town-Clov would not see TG's reaction as anything other than extreme?  I'll admit, my case on him is not perfect nor did I claim it to be.....but how can you sit there as a townie and say that TG is clean after his reaction?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

[unvote]

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

 

Nice vote.

 

The ATE was especially poignant in the post above.  Good luck with that in the future.

[RandA lThor]

 

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

The only thing that seems off about this is that Mynd has some kinda town reads in his null post... Mynd why are you trying to keep people out of the slightly town condos?

Oh my goodness, your not even trying to hide it anymore. Your literally justifying every last thing Mynd does. The case, no matter how weak everyone else agrees it is, you call good. The reads list I call out, you give some situational logic that I can apply anywhere else to try and show hes town. "Well scum would do [blank] to try and earn town cred, so since they didnt do it that makes them town" is just horrible.

 

I have questioned Mynd throughout the game, I have told him what cases he made were BS and why they were BS, but after looking at his answers, his reactions, and his general play, he has been my largest townread.  I even show that in this post.  I slightly townread him, but again I keep asking him questions or questioning certain parts of his posts to see his reaction.  I'm not taking it for granted, I'm continuously updating my reads, but so far it hasn't changed much for Mynd.

 

 

@Rand - Is there anything Mynd has done so far in this game that you disagree with?

 

Yes.  He put way too much evidence on the TG and Lenlo case that made him stretch much more than necessary to see them as scum.  That has diverted much of the attention on both of them back to Mynd just because he felt better about having an orgy of evidence.

 

I also don't agree with having no townreads.  I understand why he does it, but I still feel like having some townreads is essential for mafia, so that your scum reads are stronger in relation to the other towns people.  Plus, you get better reactions/conversations when you have both townreads and scumreads, not just nulls and scumreads.

 

Those are the two biggest examples I can think of right now, but there are definitely more.  However, despite those, Mynd has been towntelling to me for most of the game.

 

TG,

 

I went back to see what your scum game was like when we were scumbros in Basel's Star Wars game.

 

And here's what I found:

 

all the stuff he found

From an objective standpoint what I see here are vague leanings, a reticence to speak before spoken to, and a general lack of that sharpness I associate with your town game. So your current postcount and thread awareness and aggression points to you being town unless you've enhanced your scum game considerably in the past half year.

 

And for the record I DO think you're a good player and don't look down on you.

 

But you need to understand -- I've been adjusting my style SPECIFICALLY to be more objective and avoid a repeat of the debacle that occurred in Blackhoof's game where I was kicking and screaming and ended up getting killed while appealing to the players I was correctly clearing as they lynched me D1 anyway.

 

So here's the last I'm going to say about it: what you see as me over-inflating my towniness isn't an attempt to clear myself, it's my tendency to break the fourth wall and speak very matter-of-fact about my meta and the going-ons of games. I got lynched for this in Blackhoof's game as well. What you view as manipulation or intimidation is my exasperation for being pushed D1 in a game immediately after I specifically change my play to avoid that situation. I hate being pushed D1, it feels like a personal dig at me, and I tend to get paranoid and assume players pushing me D1 are scum because "how could he suspect ME?" It's difficult for me to believe that *I* am the scummiest player in the thread to you, or to anyone. It's so difficult for me to believe that my gut reaction to seeing someone typically level headed like you espousing it is "he's full of crap." That's doubly true for arguments like this where it feels like you're taking MY arguments against you and pushing them against me and hoping nobody notices. It's a bit of an ego thing, and I'll try to be more mindful of it going forward.

 

So I'm going to move on; I think discussing the other players, particularly those who have been happy to let this probable town/town argument brew without jumping into the thread to deflect the energy, is the +EV play.

 

NotBob -- you lumped me together with him for reasons I still don't understand, but you can't ignore how bad his "case" on me has been. I imagine him like Dick Dastardly from the Wacky Racers, twirling his waxed mustache as he makes posts like "lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now." He completely ignored me backhanding him and has completely ignored you and me going at it other than to egg on Tommy hate with flaccid "nice one!" commentary.

 

Darthe -- since we started fighting he's gone into joking summary mode and not provided a smidge of reasoning that I can find, and his clearance of me was pretty poor. I don't expect a lot from Darthe, but I expect more than this. I have no idea what he meant by Salami fishing for dirt to throw around or whatever, Salami was just being matter-of-fact. Clov pointed out how he said he'd be reading the heads separately, but he seems to be ignoring BFG.

 

Drunk -- he's about as subdued as is possible, and in a game that's been fairly active and fraught with bickering, that's bad. Can you remember his stances in this game? His only vote so far is a classic "talk about one player, vote for another" scum post.

 

And I know you're currently ಠ_ಠing at Mynd; I recognize that his failure to update any of his reads since about 2 days ago is odd considering he's been around since then, and that his acting like I was seconding his case on you when I had different reasons for being skeptical of you is also unusual, but I like that he's unwilling to clear anyone and I can see why he's been on your case -> I saw the same lolhorribad reaction you had to his initial casing of you that he saw.

 

While I wrote this it's dawning on me I have almost zero conception of where Len or Rand currently stand (though based purely on the threadflow perspective, gun to my head, Rand is town). I need to go back and do a clean sweep of the thread.

 

This is part of the TG/Tommy make up that pings me.  In my experience, it is rare for two townies to make up with these deep hypothetical posts so easily.  Generally one is scum that is happy to be done with an exhausting "rivalry" in the game, and they accept the make up.  There's the possibility of two scum, but that's low since two scum would want to keep the distancing going if it worked this well.  There's obviously the possibility of both town, but generally it takes one town longer to "make up" with the other due to some of the problems raised before.  Town doesn't usually go "aw shucks that was sweet.  K we're good now".  Even though TG said Tommy might still be wolf, his unvote later and the tone of that statement shows that he doesn't think that as much anymore.

 

Also, this made me think about something interesting regarding Lenlo.  Has anyone townread him?  Because more often than not, if there is a person that a few people scumread, and most others null read, its likely that person is mafia, with the other mafia trying to not give strong reads on him so he's not lynched.  This generally happens if Lenlo is a powerful mafia that the mafia team needs.

 

Finally, this brings up another thought.  If you go back to the top quote that I put at the beginning of this post, I see Len's post as a type of post that I do often as mafia.  Its the kind of post where you are honestly frustrated at someone because they have the right read but for what you think are the wrong reasons.  I can very easily imagine Lenlo being mad at me for townreading Mynd when he is town, but acting really scummy.  Same goes for scumreading Lenlo if he thinks he's acting townie.

 

 

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

The only thing that seems off about this is that Mynd has some kinda town reads in his null post... Mynd why are you trying to keep people out of the slightly town condos?

 

Gentrification?

 

I'm really not leaning town on anyone at this point, even though there are some I could soon put over there depending on how this D1 turns out.  I'm trying not to assume too much in this game while still beating the grass.   You are actually a great example of where I stand and kinda smack in the middle of my overall reads.  You started out scummy, then went town, then scummy, then town again.  Its like each post changes my mynd about you.  If this was a standards-based assessment, you'd be in the middle percentile with Malcom.

 

K going back to the whole I'm in love with Mynd and everything he does comments, these are the type of replies that make me feel like he is town.  To the point with a clear answer on what I asked, and appears as if he already had thought this through before I asked the question.

 

Tommy's evidence on what TG is like when he is scum

 

Solid.  I can handle direct engagement and this post strikes me as legit thought.  You might still be wolf, but at least I understand the mind set.

 

To answer a few of your (implied?) questions, I threw NotBob in with you to see what your reaction would be.  Interestingly enough you had very different reactions between my linking you to Clov (which I thought was legit) as compared to me linking you with NotBob (which was firing the brush). 

 

As for Darthe, I viewed him wolfy for his entrance, then threw him to the town pile after his MQ catchup.  He has disappeared again which concerns me, though Darthe has been awfully lazy the last 6 months or so, and that means I can't tell the diff between him wolf-lurking and him lazy-lurking. 

 

Drunk, I'm ready to lynch tomorrow without significant improvement. 

 

Here is the might be wolf statement I talked about which seems like he is starting to back off on Tommy.  This makes me think that he's the mafia out of the two, since he finds an easy way out of a thunderdome situation (did I use that word correctly?).

 

The Drunk post is really pinging me.  First, you all know that I don't agree with the d1 safety for Drunk.  I agree with Hallia that new players to mafia should get that safety (mainly because you won't know well how a new player will act in their first game, and in d1 chances are you'll probably get a bad read on them), but with someone who has played mafia before, its BS.  But on top of that now, he's saying that he will be ready to lynch Drunk tomorrow, taking away attention from how he's been protecting DT.  If TG does turn out to be mafia, Drunk is rising on my mafia scale due to this protect/i'm ready to lynch him later though mentality.

 

 

I mean... the boobs argument was compelling.

 

 

I thought the hentai pervert part was much better, personally.

 

How about more direct then.   How is promising not to lynch him on D1 any different than what I said you said other than the part about D1?  Why does he deserve a pass at all?  I doubt this is his first mafia game. 

 

 

Troll.  You didn't answer my questions from last page.  And now you're claiming there is no difference between " i will never lynch you" vs. " I won't lynch someone new to DM on D1 to give them time to adjust to the culture in their first game." 

 

As to why he deserves a pass?  He doesn't.  New players do.  It is a common courtesy that players new to DM get at least D1 to get their feet wet before getting lynched.  Or, in Hally's understanding, that players new to mafia get at least D1 to get their feet wet before getting lynched. 

 

I expect you think all excretions from a cow are the same.

 

You do understand that Hally's understanding contradicts what you're saying.  If only players new to mafia get a D1 pass, then Drunk shouldn't get a D1 pass...

 

*sigh* I have to get through so many long posts. I already read everything in class, but couldnt really respond there.

 

Preview: I have questioned Mynd before and I do have faults with him, Lenlo is doing some stuff which I generally see as scum, if TG is scum, DT is more likely to be scum, NB isnt as scummy as you think, Tommy/TG emotional makeup suggests minimum of one scum, and possibly more clever insights as soon as I get on my laptop.

 

Now I know how you guys felt going through my super long posts, but this is way longer lol

Actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be, maybe it just seems worse on mobile.

[Lenlo]

Ima just pull afew of your quotes here about how they counter previous things youve said. 

 

"Continuously updating my reads... but so far it hasnt changed for Mynd." So you instantly counter your own explanation on Mynd. Your changing your reads except on the one person I called you out for stonewall defending.

 

"I also dont agree with having no townreads" And yet you conveniently explain away in the post I quoted before that having no townreads is a town tell, because mafia wouldnt want to stick out by not having any town reads, and yet here are saying you dont like that he doesnt have any town reads! Make up your mind!

 

Has anyone townread me? Yes afew. Go back and find them, im going to sleep after this post. Also this is a basic game. The most powerful mafia your going to find is maybe a godfather.

 

And im annoyed because no one else is calling you out on your situation, Pro-Mynd, fake substitute for actual scumhunting posts except for me and when I do, people ignore it and you come right back in with more of the same. I get annoyed everytime im yelling at a brick wall, but I am not going to stop because the moment I do everyone's gonna forget the brickwall ever existed.

[RandA lThor]

Think of my updating as refreshing on a web page.  I keep refreshing and Mynd's page stays the same.

 

Secondly, me thinking that townreads are a necessity for good play doesn't mean that not having them is scummy.  Stop making weird correlations that don't make sense.

 

K, so a few have.  I'd say maybe 1 or 2, and I think 1 was TG.  Point is, no one's going to have literally everyone aganist them except in a few cases, but if most people either null or scum read you, and the majority of those are null reads, then I think that points to a powerful mafia, and yes, quite possibly gf.

 

Fake scumhunting?  Are you kidding me?  I had some of the largest posts filled with the most analytical and logical analysis of anyone in the game, imo.  I am not fake scumhunting in any way at all.  You can disagree with my reasoning, but that doesn't mean I'm fake scumhunting.

[csarmi]

We need vote counts.

[csarmi]

Rand, Len, who you guys voting?

[csarmi]

@Rand - in my personal opinion your posts are just ... Too much. Too many quotes, too many words. I sure as hell can't follow them and asked my other head to handle you cause I can't get myself to read them.

 

These shorter concise posts are better.

[RandA lThor]

Point taken, Ill try to keep it more brief from now on.

 

Im voting Len right now

[csarmi]

Summary on why he the scum? I'm very hesitant to try and read Len D1... I find that downright impossible.

[RandA lThor]

Dude, this will actually be like the 5th Ive explained this. Vote on me cuz single joke vote, additional evidence is two more joke posts, ok to bad reaction to Mynds case, posts like frustrated scum, if you want specifics reread

[csarmi]

Thanks :)

 

No that's not enough for me on a D1!Lenlo

[RandA lThor]

Thanks :)

 

No that's not enough for me on a D1!Lenlo

lol if thats not enough what is?

[csarmi]

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

Most confident there.

[csarmi]

I think we decided that TG/Tommy may be town/town if barely so not interested going there.

[csarmi]

Our reads are pretty much scrambled cause BFG had to run before finish the catchup - I'll be around while working.

[csarmi]

1. Darthe

2. Drunk Tank

3. BFArmi(BFG and Csarmi)

4. Vos

5. NotBob

6. Tommy

7. RandA lthor

8. Kronos Clov

9. Nynlia

10. Mynd

11. Lenlo

12.TG

[csarmi]

People we will absolutely not lynch today: Tommy, Nynlia <-- cause we think they're town

People not interested in pursuing:

• NotBob (I associate how he plays with his town game, BFG didn't get through him)
• Rand (probably town just on WiM alone)
• TG (have a strong town feel and while the Tommy vs TG still looks too much to me, I'll revisit that later)

 

People we could lynch, but rather not:

• Lenlo (he can't be D1 read period... and he didn't look scummy to me either, I have high hopes on being able to decide on him on D2 however)
• Clov (too valuable if town)
• Drunk (looks scummy but maybe he needs more time to acclimatize, willing to give a pass)
• Mynd (not confident enough to judge him but I have a town feel)

People we are okay lynching:

 

• Vos (very conflicted read on him... if it comes to it, be it)
• Darthe (cause I think he's scum)

[csarmi]

I'm happy to lynch X btw.

[csarmi]

Official votecount incoming.