[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[Nynaeve]

@Rand

 

Thanks for clarifying

 

 

Vote Mynd

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I asked "Was my Nightmare actually directed at Despo, Dap, and Womby?"  and I got "PAFO" and a smiley.  Not sure how that suddenly makes me a LLL. 

 

Sounds like scum pushed the lynches on both of the two townies.  Why would Clov and everyone go along with it then suddenly shift after Despo flipped town?  I don't think they expected Despo to be killed at night and were expecting today's lynch to be on Despo.  Now, they are pushing for my lynch instead of Dap/Rand's. 

 

I don't know what else to say at this point.  Rand is the way to go for today.  Everything else is the scum's attempt at deflecting.

 

He says while deflecting attention away from himself.

 

I'm starting to feel like the scum team were going to go with this "dream" and get as many people killed as possible before town got wiser to what is going on. Well that time is now. And that was rather obvious big name hunting if you think about it. Wombat, Des, Dap. Three quality players. And quite possibly all town. Worked out well when Dap went AWOL for them. But I think we lost 2 out of 3 now. Maybe we should stop before they hit 3 for 3? The buck stops here. Bye Mynd. 

[RandA lThor]

I asked "Was my Nightmare actually directed at Despo, Dap, and Womby?"  and I got "PAFO" and a smiley.  Not sure how that suddenly makes me a LLL. 

 

Sounds like scum pushed the lynches on both of the two townies.  Why would Clov and everyone go along with it then suddenly shift after Despo flipped town?  I don't think they expected Despo to be killed at night and were expecting today's lynch to be on Despo.  Now, they are pushing for my lynch instead of Dap/Rand's. 

 

I don't know what else to say at this point.  Rand is the way to go for today.  Everything else is the scum's attempt at deflecting.

First of all, if you really did ask that, that's a horrible way to ask it.  I literally gave you the way to ask it, and you still didn't do it that way.  Of course if you ask it like that he's going to say PAFO.

 

Second of all, from what I've seen, people went with Despo and Wombat because they were actually scummy at the time.  Them switching is not scummy, since people saw Dap before me as town, and I've brought up this new information against you.  Nice try on fosing literally everyone who is going to switch to you once they see your slip.

 

Yes, scum is deflecting.  Problem is Mynd, we're not buying your deflection.

[nervositee]

RTE. Wtf are you even doing? Trying to get yourself punished is not really pro-town (if you are town). I don't get this at all man.

 

Oh, and btw, if the scene said you got a vision, it might very well happen at night-time.

 

 

Rand is not Scum, IMO. Mynd is nuts. When he named his three people, Hoof went to Random.com to pick who he ACTUALLY targeted.

There is NO possible way that it makes sense for scum, when faced with a list like Mynd's, to go "oh, let's NK the one remaining guy on this list with our teammate"...

Way too much of a risk.

 

Well, as soon as you say it is impossible scum might have done something, it's suddenly possible.

 

Oh really Mynd? Is that so?  Well OK, if you say so...

 

Well unfortunately for Mynd, I don't take things at his word.  At the same time I asked Mynd to ask his question, I asked the same question to Hoof.  The answer he gave me said that if something were to happen like what you described (since he obviously can't confirm or deny what happened to Mynd) then it would be mod information.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Mynd, the slipping, mistake making scumbag.

 

There is absolutely no reason that Hoof would gave me the info to the exact same question that Mynd supposedly asked, to which he got PAFO.  This means directly that Mynd is trying to infuse chaos in this game so we don't know what is going on, so that he can push for me, and tomorrow try and slip out by saying he was insane.  There is no town that would lie about mod information, confuse the game, and not give information that, from his perspective if he was town, should actually help him push on me. 

 

SO I TELL EVERYONE!!!!

 

Mynd has just slipped.  Read the above.  Aside from the whole Rand/Mynd dreamer thing, he has just lied about mod information he got, or didn't ask the question and lied about that in the first place.  There is no possibility here where he is town.  Everyone please

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

 

Meh.

 

 

 

 

Oh really Mynd? Is that so?  Well OK, if you say so...

 

Well unfortunately for Mynd, I don't take things at his word.  At the same time I asked Mynd to ask his question, I asked the same question to Hoof.  The answer he gave me said that if something were to happen like what you described (since he obviously can't confirm or deny what happened to Mynd) then it would be mod information.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Mynd, the slipping, mistake making scumbag.

 

There is absolutely no reason that Hoof would gave me the info to the exact same question that Mynd supposedly asked, to which he got PAFO.  This means directly that Mynd is trying to infuse chaos in this game so we don't know what is going on, so that he can push for me, and tomorrow try and slip out by saying he was insane.  There is no town that would lie about mod information, confuse the game, and not give information that, from his perspective if he was town, should actually help him push on me. 

 

SO I TELL EVERYONE!!!!

 

Mynd has just slipped.  Read the above.  Aside from the whole Rand/Mynd dreamer thing, he has just lied about mod information he got, or didn't ask the question and lied about that in the first place.  There is no possibility here where he is town.  Everyone please

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

 

I don't quite follow. What does mod information mean?

 

 

Basically it means that when Mynd selected those players, he wasn't "targeting those players".  Therefore, his selections are not influenced by being insane, nor by a busdriver.  Instead the only interaction is between the mod and Mynd, so if Mynd was telling the truth, one of us three has to be mafia.  Which makes it much clearer for me that Mynd is mafia.

 

But thats not the most important part for everyone else.  The biggest part is that Mynd lied about his answer or whether or not he asked the question, which no town would do, since that answer would have helped town out a lot.  Hell, if he was town, that would have helped out him because it would have assured everyone that his reads were true.  The only way that wouldn't help him is if he's mafia who would get lynched tomorrow.  That's probably why he gave a vague answer in the hope of escaping that fate tomorrow.  Mynd has lied to the town, so he must be burned with fire.

 

 

To the first paragraph: Thats for you to know and us to assume either way.

 

To the second: I'm really not following your sudden outburst based on that you think you lock!scummed Mynd.

 

I think you're doing a good job, but from my view, you are still doing a good job as a cornered scum.

 

I dunno, I think whoever scum is, they are happy with how the thread is evolving now. RTE shooting himself in the foot, misses, and then reloads and shoot again. Us burying ourself so deep in the WIFOM and confusion about this that Rand might very well be scum, we mislynch Mynd and Rand still walks away home free - or the other way around.

 

Occam's Razor everyone. Google it.

[RandA lThor]

RTE. Wtf are you even doing? Trying to get yourself punished is not really pro-town (if you are town). I don't get this at all man.

 

Oh, and btw, if the scene said you got a vision, it might very well happen at night-time.

 

 

Rand is not Scum, IMO. Mynd is nuts. When he named his three people, Hoof went to Random.com to pick who he ACTUALLY targeted.

There is NO possible way that it makes sense for scum, when faced with a list like Mynd's, to go "oh, let's NK the one remaining guy on this list with our teammate"...

Way too much of a risk.

 

Well, as soon as you say it is impossible scum might have done something, it's suddenly possible.

 

Oh really Mynd? Is that so?  Well OK, if you say so...

 

Well unfortunately for Mynd, I don't take things at his word.  At the same time I asked Mynd to ask his question, I asked the same question to Hoof.  The answer he gave me said that if something were to happen like what you described (since he obviously can't confirm or deny what happened to Mynd) then it would be mod information.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Mynd, the slipping, mistake making scumbag.

 

There is absolutely no reason that Hoof would gave me the info to the exact same question that Mynd supposedly asked, to which he got PAFO.  This means directly that Mynd is trying to infuse chaos in this game so we don't know what is going on, so that he can push for me, and tomorrow try and slip out by saying he was insane.  There is no town that would lie about mod information, confuse the game, and not give information that, from his perspective if he was town, should actually help him push on me. 

 

SO I TELL EVERYONE!!!!

 

Mynd has just slipped.  Read the above.  Aside from the whole Rand/Mynd dreamer thing, he has just lied about mod information he got, or didn't ask the question and lied about that in the first place.  There is no possibility here where he is town.  Everyone please

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

 

Meh.

 

 

 

 

Oh really Mynd? Is that so?  Well OK, if you say so...

 

Well unfortunately for Mynd, I don't take things at his word.  At the same time I asked Mynd to ask his question, I asked the same question to Hoof.  The answer he gave me said that if something were to happen like what you described (since he obviously can't confirm or deny what happened to Mynd) then it would be mod information.

 

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Mynd, the slipping, mistake making scumbag.

 

There is absolutely no reason that Hoof would gave me the info to the exact same question that Mynd supposedly asked, to which he got PAFO.  This means directly that Mynd is trying to infuse chaos in this game so we don't know what is going on, so that he can push for me, and tomorrow try and slip out by saying he was insane.  There is no town that would lie about mod information, confuse the game, and not give information that, from his perspective if he was town, should actually help him push on me. 

 

SO I TELL EVERYONE!!!!

 

Mynd has just slipped.  Read the above.  Aside from the whole Rand/Mynd dreamer thing, he has just lied about mod information he got, or didn't ask the question and lied about that in the first place.  There is no possibility here where he is town.  Everyone please

 

[v]Mynd[/v]

 

 

I don't quite follow. What does mod information mean?

 

 

Basically it means that when Mynd selected those players, he wasn't "targeting those players".  Therefore, his selections are not influenced by being insane, nor by a busdriver.  Instead the only interaction is between the mod and Mynd, so if Mynd was telling the truth, one of us three has to be mafia.  Which makes it much clearer for me that Mynd is mafia.

 

But thats not the most important part for everyone else.  The biggest part is that Mynd lied about his answer or whether or not he asked the question, which no town would do, since that answer would have helped town out a lot.  Hell, if he was town, that would have helped out him because it would have assured everyone that his reads were true.  The only way that wouldn't help him is if he's mafia who would get lynched tomorrow.  That's probably why he gave a vague answer in the hope of escaping that fate tomorrow.  Mynd has lied to the town, so he must be burned with fire.

 

 

To the first paragraph: Thats for you to know and us to assume either way.

 

To the second: I'm really not following your sudden outburst based on that you think you lock!scummed Mynd.

 

I think you're doing a good job, but from my view, you are still doing a good job as a cornered scum.

 

I dunno, I think whoever scum is, they are happy with how the thread is evolving now. RTE shooting himself in the foot, misses, and then reloads and shoot again. Us burying ourself so deep in the WIFOM and confusion about this that Rand might very well be scum, we mislynch Mynd and Rand still walks away home free - or the other way around.

 

Occam's Razor everyone. Google it.

 

What?? How is that meh? On record, Mynd said he got PAFO when Hoof gave me the actual answer.  He is either misleading with his results, or Hoof gave two different answers, which I don't think is plausible at all.  The fact that you're not jumping at obvious scum makes me townread you, but it still doesn't make you right.  This is obvious scum, right here.  Vote him.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I'm not convinced saying the name nets you something bad necessarily. So I want to test it. I'm a VT, not much to lose. Don't think it'll be an outright modkill. So taking a chance. 

[Myndrunner]

Well, with 11 alive, we can afford a mislynch.  If my death would help confirm Rand as scum, then so be it.  I would caution you all though to look closely at those buddying up with Rand at this point.  We've lost two townies due to my Nightmare and when we were about to lynch the third, a whole slew of folks who were totally fine with this course of action, come out of nowhere to defend Rand.  When it was Dap, an inactive, they seemed all for letting him slip...but now that someone is in his place to defend himself, he gets a cadre of defenders and nay sayers.

 

Occam's Razor is indeed where we need to go.  It is indeed possible that I am scum and made this whole thing up.  It is possible that I am town and made this up.  What would be the most likely scenario though?

 

So, which lynch would yield the best info?  I believe Rand from my POV, but I'm only one voice. 

[Clovdyx]

I asked "Was my Nightmare actually directed at Despo, Dap, and Womby?"  and I got "PAFO" and a smiley.  Not sure how that suddenly makes me a LLL. 

 

Sounds like scum pushed the lynches on both of the two townies.  Why would Clov and everyone go along with it then suddenly shift after Despo flipped town?  I don't think they expected Despo to be killed at night and were expecting today's lynch to be on Despo.  Now, they are pushing for my lynch instead of Dap/Rand's. 

 

I don't know what else to say at this point.  Rand is the way to go for today.  Everything else is the scum's attempt at deflecting.

 

Because you weren't throwing the idea out there that maybe  you were wrong when it first happened.  If you had said "Look guys, I got a result that at least one of X, Y, and Z are scum, but my concern is <possible reason that it may not be in our interest to follow these results>" and you had prompted a discussion about it, rather than basically saying "Well, these guys are dying until we find the scum" and NOW bringing up the possibility they're wrong, it'd be one issue.

 

But you didn't.  You didn't even consider that they were fraudulent results until you got down to your last candidate. 

[RandA lThor]

Well, with 11 alive, we can afford a mislynch.  If my death would help confirm Rand as scum, then so be it.  I would caution you all though to look closely at those buddying up with Rand at this point.  We've lost two townies due to my Nightmare and when we were about to lynch the third, a whole slew of folks who were totally fine with this course of action, come out of nowhere to defend Rand.  When it was Dap, an inactive, they seemed all for letting him slip...but now that someone is in his place to defend himself, he gets a cadre of defenders and nay sayers.

 

Occam's Razor is indeed where we need to go.  It is indeed possible that I am scum and made this whole thing up.  It is possible that I am town and made this up.  What would be the most likely scenario though?

 

So, which lynch would yield the best info?  I believe Rand from my POV, but I'm only one voice.

 

Its possible that youre town and made this up. No? If you did do that, thats ridiculously anti town and dumb.

 

And Occam's razor? The simples answer right now is that you lied about hoofs answer in some way, and you are scum. Thats the simplest explanation right now.

[nervositee]

I'm not convinced saying the name nets you something bad necessarily. So I want to test it. I'm a VT, not much to lose. Don't think it'll be an outright modkill. So taking a chance. 

 

So far one player has been silenced and one player got a nightmare that had a 1/3 chance of killing him. It's not a gift-wrapped present to your team, thats for sure.

[Myndrunner]

 

I asked "Was my Nightmare actually directed at Despo, Dap, and Womby?"  and I got "PAFO" and a smiley.  Not sure how that suddenly makes me a LLL. 

 

Sounds like scum pushed the lynches on both of the two townies.  Why would Clov and everyone go along with it then suddenly shift after Despo flipped town?  I don't think they expected Despo to be killed at night and were expecting today's lynch to be on Despo.  Now, they are pushing for my lynch instead of Dap/Rand's. 

 

I don't know what else to say at this point.  Rand is the way to go for today.  Everything else is the scum's attempt at deflecting.

 

Because you weren't throwing the idea out there that maybe  you were wrong when it first happened.  If you had said "Look guys, I got a result that at least one of X, Y, and Z are scum, but my concern is <possible reason that it may not be in our interest to follow these results>" and you had prompted a discussion about it, rather than basically saying "Well, these guys are dying until we find the scum" and NOW bringing up the possibility they're wrong, it'd be one issue.

 

But you didn't.  You didn't even consider that they were fraudulent results until you got down to your last candidate. 

 

 

No one else was either.  I wasn't concerned at that point because I was sure Wombat was scum.  Everyone else was ok with it, so we went along with it.  When Wombat flipped town, I was then sure it had to be Despo because Dap, at that time, was still the one I felt was least likely scum.  When Despo was killed and flipped town, that's when I really began to question my read.  Prior to that, I had no reason to.  Both Despo and Wombat had plenty of reason to be lynched without my help. 

 

I find it quite odd that people are rushing to Rand's defense all of a sudden.  I think that now scum have an active player and are trying to milk the mislynches as much as possible before Rand inevitably goes down.

 

Also, people have been saying that it is impossible for there to be a town/town Rand/Mynd possiblity, but that's simply not true.  In a normal game, I could see that, but this game has gimmicks and items that completely throw everything off.  Not calling Hoofy bastard Mod by any means, its a real challenge that I enjoy.  But the fact that many of you are ignoring or deliberately ignoring the possibility is baffling.  I said it on Day 2.  How come no one is questioning my read except Red?

 

*edited because I meant when wombat flipped town*

[nervositee]

 

And Occam's razor? The simples answer right now is that you lied about hoofs answer in some way, and you are scum. Thats the simplest explanation right now.

 

 

 

Uhm. No. the simplest answer is that you are scum. Come on. 

[Clovdyx]

Okay, let's go Occam's Razor on this.  Basically, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is the most likely.

 

-After one player was silenced for saying a certain word, another player received a one-time ability that let him (somewhat) examine the alignment of three players of his choosing.  With the suspect pool narrowed down to one, the player in question presents a scenario (insanity) to allow for failed results.  His presented scenario does not align with the information the moderator has presented.  RTE denies anything happened to him, which is somewhat in keeping with his write-up, and Lenlo's made sense for being silenced...yet Mynd's write up suggests nothing happened and was gifted something useful?

 

-Mynd's scum and lying.  He was trying to get us to lynch multiple townies.  Now that two of the three candidates are dead, he's trying to give himself an out and immediately FoS'es anybody who doesn't side with him on lynching Rand.

[Myndrunner]

Okay, let's go Occam's Razor on this.  Basically, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is the most likely.

 

-After one player was silenced for saying a certain word, another player received a one-time ability that let him (somewhat) examine the alignment of three players of his choosing.  With the suspect pool narrowed down to one, the player in question presents a scenario (insanity) to allow for failed results.  His presented scenario does not align with the information the moderator has presented.  RTE denies anything happened to him, which is somewhat in keeping with his write-up, and Lenlo's made sense for being silenced...yet Mynd's write up suggests nothing happened and was gifted something useful?

 

-Mynd's scum and lying.  He was trying to get us to lynch multiple townies.  Now that two of the three candidates are dead, he's trying to give himself an out and immediately FoS'es anybody who doesn't side with him on lynching Rand.

 

Where was this on Day 2 when we were lynching Wombat?  You seemed fine with that.

[nervositee]

[Clovdyx]

 

Okay, let's go Occam's Razor on this.  Basically, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is the most likely.

 

-After one player was silenced for saying a certain word, another player received a one-time ability that let him (somewhat) examine the alignment of three players of his choosing.  With the suspect pool narrowed down to one, the player in question presents a scenario (insanity) to allow for failed results.  His presented scenario does not align with the information the moderator has presented.  RTE denies anything happened to him, which is somewhat in keeping with his write-up, and Lenlo's made sense for being silenced...yet Mynd's write up suggests nothing happened and was gifted something useful?

 

-Mynd's scum and lying.  He was trying to get us to lynch multiple townies.  Now that two of the three candidates are dead, he's trying to give himself an out and immediately FoS'es anybody who doesn't side with him on lynching Rand.

 

Where was this on Day 2 when we were lynching Wombat?  You seemed fine with that.

 

 

Because you didn't make it seem like there was a chance you were wrong.  You weren't discrediting your own results.  Compare that to this phase where you come in and literally said, "I don't feel as good about this as I should."

[nervositee]

Also, people have been saying that it is impossible for there to be a town/town Rand/Mynd possiblity, but that's simply not true.  In a normal game, I could see that, but this game has gimmicks and items that completely throw everything off.  Not calling Hoofy bastard Mod by any means, its a real challenge that I enjoy.  But the fact that many of you are ignoring or deliberately ignoring the possibility is baffling.  I said it on Day 2.  How come no one is questioning my read except Red?

 

 

It's certainly a big possibility. You said Hastur three times. Your punishment might very well be a nightmare (it was formulated as a nightmare, not as a dream - do I remember correctly?) with skewed insane visions that has no relevance to the truth of the game. It fits the theme.

 

But right now I'd be damned if we mislynch today and let a scum walk out on top of it all.

 

In my opinion, it's no doubt that if we mislynch today - the other goes down tomorrow in the quickest speed-lynch ever seen.

 

Is there a slight slight chance we mess up? Yes, but that is there anyway.

 

I'm super-ready to get out of this dream-tunnel that is the sole focus of the game right now.

 

For my sake, we can lynch the both of you just to make sure. I'm pretty darn sure at least one of you will flip scum.

[RandA lThor]

 

I'm not convinced saying the name nets you something bad necessarily. So I want to test it. I'm a VT, not much to lose. Don't think it'll be an outright modkill. So taking a chance. 

 

So far one player has been silenced and one player got a nightmare that had a 1/3 chance of killing him. It's not a gift-wrapped present to your team, thats for sure.

 

Well first of all, I don't why you're so sure that Mynd got that, especially considering all of the recent information.  That to me is scary and may even be a slip.  

 

Second of all, if you do believe Mynd's present, I don't get all the people that are scared of it and says its bad.  If it actually was a dream where you can choose 3 people and told how many scum are there, and you only have a 1/3 chance of dying, to me that's a positive gift.  There is a higher probability that it will help town than hurt it, so I don't see why you have a problem with it.  

 

 

 

I asked "Was my Nightmare actually directed at Despo, Dap, and Womby?"  and I got "PAFO" and a smiley.  Not sure how that suddenly makes me a LLL. 

 

Sounds like scum pushed the lynches on both of the two townies.  Why would Clov and everyone go along with it then suddenly shift after Despo flipped town?  I don't think they expected Despo to be killed at night and were expecting today's lynch to be on Despo.  Now, they are pushing for my lynch instead of Dap/Rand's. 

 

I don't know what else to say at this point.  Rand is the way to go for today.  Everything else is the scum's attempt at deflecting.

 

Because you weren't throwing the idea out there that maybe  you were wrong when it first happened.  If you had said "Look guys, I got a result that at least one of X, Y, and Z are scum, but my concern is <possible reason that it may not be in our interest to follow these results>" and you had prompted a discussion about it, rather than basically saying "Well, these guys are dying until we find the scum" and NOW bringing up the possibility they're wrong, it'd be one issue.

 

But you didn't.  You didn't even consider that they were fraudulent results until you got down to your last candidate. 

 

 

No one else was either.  I wasn't concerned at that point because I was sure Wombat was scum.  Everyone else was ok with it, so we went along with it.  When Wombat flipped town, I was then sure it had to be Despo because Dap, at that time, was still the one I felt was least likely scum.  When Despo was killed and flipped town, that's when I really began to question my read.  Prior to that, I had no reason to.  Both Despo and Wombat had plenty of reason to be lynched without my help. 

 

I find it quite odd that people are rushing to Rand's defense all of a sudden.  I think that now scum have an active player and are trying to milk the mislynches as much as possible before Rand inevitably goes down.

 

Also, people have been saying that it is impossible for there to be a town/town Rand/Mynd possiblity, but that's simply not true.  In a normal game, I could see that, but this game has gimmicks and items that completely throw everything off.  Not calling Hoofy bastard Mod by any means, its a real challenge that I enjoy.  But the fact that many of you are ignoring or deliberately ignoring the possibility is baffling.  I said it on Day 2.  How come no one is questioning my read except Red?

 

*edited because I meant when wombat flipped town*

 

Firstly, I along with some others have considered the town/town scenario.  However, in light of recent evidence, it doesn't seem like that's a possibility because Hoof said a scenario like yours would have been mod given information.  He essentially, or maybe he actually did say this, that One of Womby, Dap, and Despo is mafia.  If he lies, that is almost assuredly bastard modding which I very much doubt that Hoof would do.  Therefore, either you are lying or I am mafia.  Two options.

 

And as people have stated time and time again, you started distrusting your nightmare right before it could have gotten you lynched.  I'm willing to bet that without a despo death, you would have lynched despo, and then dap/me, and your mafia team could have had a majority by then.  The only reason you started mistrusting is that despo died, and you realized that you couldn't die yet.  If you truly had reason to doubt what your information is, and the thorough player that you usually are, you would have brought up this possibility, as slight as it could've been, in the beginning

 

For the whole defending me point that you're stating, they're voting you because you slipped on your answer from Hoof.  That's not scum seeing another active scum and trying to defend that scum.  That's people, probably with some scum as well, voting an obvious mafia that slipped.   Stop trying to turn it around.

 

 

 

And Occam's razor? The simples answer right now is that you lied about hoofs answer in some way, and you are scum. Thats the simplest explanation right now.

 

 

 

Uhm. No. the simplest answer is that you are scum. Come on. 

 

So clov kind of already analyzed this, but let me do it my way.

 

Either Mynd actually got the present he wanted, he just thought of it possibly being false the day before he might die and after the unexpected Despo death, Hoof gave two different answers to Mynd and I

 

Or

 

Mynd lied about Hoof's answer and about his gift.

 

At this point there are so many conditions that have to be true to make Mynd town that according to Occam's Razor, him being town is not the simplest answer.  Him making it all up as he goes is definitely the simplest explanation right now.

 

 

 

Also, people have been saying that it is impossible for there to be a town/town Rand/Mynd possiblity, but that's simply not true.  In a normal game, I could see that, but this game has gimmicks and items that completely throw everything off.  Not calling Hoofy bastard Mod by any means, its a real challenge that I enjoy.  But the fact that many of you are ignoring or deliberately ignoring the possibility is baffling.  I said it on Day 2.  How come no one is questioning my read except Red?

 

 

It's certainly a big possibility. You said Hastur three times. Your punishment might very well be a nightmare (it was formulated as a nightmare, not as a dream - do I remember correctly?) with skewed insane visions that has no relevance to the truth of the game. It fits the theme.

 

But right now I'd be damned if we mislynch today and let a scum walk out on top of it all.

 

In my opinion, it's no doubt that if we mislynch today - the other goes down tomorrow in the quickest speed-lynch ever seen.

 

Is there a slight slight chance we mess up? Yes, but that is there anyway.

 

I'm super-ready to get out of this dream-tunnel that is the sole focus of the game right now.

 

For my sake, we can lynch the both of you just to make sure. I'm pretty darn sure at least one of you will flip scum.

 

These skewed insane visions right now sound a little too close to bastard modding.  Why would Hoof give out a gift that gives false mod information?  I definitely don't think he would do that, so as you said if you lynch one of us, you will find scum.  And guess what? Mynd just lied about the answer he got from Hoof?  Do you think that super obvious scum slip should tell you anything important?

 

I realize that I sound exasperated right now, and I know that the more exasperated I sound, the less likely it is that you will actually switch your vote to Mynd.  I implore you to take a step back, forget your main assumptions, analyze what has happened, and then make your judgement.

[RandA lThor]

On a complete side not, here's the original use of the baguette. :P

 

 

Hence ==>  (baguette)

 

Oh dear god not this again! Worst PR ever!

 

[nervositee]

This is what I think now - stubbornness aside.

 

Mynd is telling the truth - but just did a stupid move both with starting to doubt himself and phrasing his question to Hoof in a way that got him a PAFO instead of a useable answer.

 

You are scum - but doing a bloody good job spreading WIFOM and making everyone doubt themself.

 

So congrats. I think you're brilliant.

 

But I still think you are still scum. Sorry.

 

(And I do think both you and Clov are completely misrepping this situation and the razor too. The possibility right now that requires the least assumptions are that Mynd is telliing the truth. In mafia, Occam's Razor isn't always the way to go (you know, scheming and stuff). So if you wanna disregard it - fine. But now you are misrepping based on a big web that you have constructed.)

[nervositee]

 

 

I'm not convinced saying the name nets you something bad necessarily. So I want to test it. I'm a VT, not much to lose. Don't think it'll be an outright modkill. So taking a chance. 

 

So far one player has been silenced and one player got a nightmare that had a 1/3 chance of killing him. It's not a gift-wrapped present to your team, thats for sure.

 

Well first of all, I don't why you're so sure that Mynd got that, especially considering all of the recent information.  That to me is scary and may even be a slip.  

 

 

...what? That being a slip does not under any circumstances make any sort of sense.

 

You yourself believe firmly he is lying. So the only way of me "slipping" with believing him is if he is right and I know it. And if he is right you are scum. Thus it does. not. make. sense.

 

If you had said "it looks like you are hard-necking defending a team-mate" I might have shrugged and said you were wrong.

 

Calling that a slip just exposes how extremely hard you are working discrediting Mynd and everyone who doesn't agree with you, logic or not.

 

And you saying "And guess what? Mynd just lied about the answer he got from Hoof?" over and over and over again won't change the fact that you don't know that. Mynd asked in a very direct way, which yes — might have been dumb. But from the question he asked, Hoof wouldn't have replied anything BUT pafo.

 

So instead of repeating yourself on the assumption that Mynd is lying, why are you not asking why he phrased the question so directly, instead of clearing up the mechanics?

 

Cracks appearing.

 

Shouting doesn't make what you say right.

 

Neither does you learning the word "lock".

 

Congrats on that by the way.

[nervositee]

So. Let me do your dirty work for you. Here is how you would have convinced me you were town.

 

Mynd:

 

Why did you phrase your question to Hoof in such a direct manner that were sure to get a "PAFO" instead of actually phrasing it so we could find out if the insanity-mechanic would affect your reads?

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

I'm not convinced saying the name nets you something bad necessarily. So I want to test it. I'm a VT, not much to lose. Don't think it'll be an outright modkill. So taking a chance. 

 

So far one player has been silenced and one player got a nightmare that had a 1/3 chance of killing him. It's not a gift-wrapped present to your team, thats for sure.

 

Well first of all, I don't why you're so sure that Mynd got that, especially considering all of the recent information.  That to me is scary and may even be a slip.  

 

 

...what? That being a slip does not under any circumstances make any sort of sense.

 

You yourself believe firmly he is lying. So the only way of me "slipping" with believing him is if he is right and I know it. And if he is right you are scum. Thus it does. not. make. sense.

 

If you had said "it looks like you are hard-necking defending a team-mate" I might have shrugged and said you were wrong.

 

Calling that a slip just exposes how extremely hard you are working discrediting Mynd and everyone who doesn't agree with you, logic or not.

 

And you saying "And guess what? Mynd just lied about the answer he got from Hoof?" over and over and over again won't change the fact that you don't know that. Mynd asked in a very direct way, which yes — might have been dumb. But from the question he asked, Hoof wouldn't have replied anything BUT pafo.

 

So instead of repeating yourself on the assumption that Mynd is lying, why are you not asking why he phrased the question so directly, instead of clearing up the mechanics?

 

Cracks appearing.

 

Shouting doesn't make what you say right.

 

Neither does you learning the word "lock".

 

Congrats on that by the way.

 

 

No, I was saying if it was a slip and you and Mynd are on the same team, then you would always post with the assumption that Mynd is right (the sticking out your head for a teammate part).  A townie on the other hand would take it with a grain or a mount of salt considering the recent evidence.

 

 

So. Let me do your dirty work for you. Here is how you would have convinced me you were town.

 

Mynd:

 

Why did you phrase your question to Hoof in such a direct manner that were sure to get a "PAFO" instead of actually phrasing it so we could find out if the insanity-mechanic would affect your reads?

 

First of all, I do want Mynd to answer that.

 

Second of all, I literally gave him the question to ask.  I don't think he's dumb enough to change that to one that would get more of a PAFO response, hence I keep repeating he's lying.

 

Thirdly, I believe that not only did he make up the response, but there is a chance that he made the question different to make it seem like he would get a PAFO response.  Mynd's a good enough player to think of that.

[RandA lThor]

Also, on a side note, keep in mind that FMPOV I know Mynd is scum.  Therefore, a lot of the scumhunting I do on Mynd now is just to give more proof to everyone else that Mynd is scum. Therefore, I may find things that other people wouldn't use as tells.  People usually go from scum tells to the scum.  Since I know Mynd is scum, I am going from scum to scum tells. However, for everyone else, I'm doing it normally.

[Red2111]

umm so i'm goign to come clean about something ...

 

 

i'm not caught up on this game and will be catching up this week ...  but ....

 

 

well over the weekend i got on youtube and watched the penny arcade pax live D&D games and well we have a D&D shop in town that hosts games every wend so ....

 

 

i've been down the rabit hole of trying to get a character developed by wed to go playing my first D&D game  *hides*

 

and i'm totally and utterly flamming confused  XD  watching a tutoriat on how to fill out the character sheets on youtube now ...  but i think i'm using D&D next char sheets and this guy is using 4th ed sheets