[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

Whelp. That was a fun catchup

:tongue:

Question: actually scratch that

First, observation/statement: I completely missed Mynd saying he had a Dream/Nightmare/Fellini film

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Now, Question: Mynd seems to think I either acknowledged it or responded to it or something. Where did this happen? Where did Mynd reveal that? I certainly don't remember him saying anything about a Dream...

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

I think we can safely lynch Despo at this point. After last night's "vision", it was between Despo, Womby, and Dap. I didn't get a mafia read per se, but at least one of them is not town.

[v] Despo [/v]

Vos, RTE, and Red are town.

We need to hear from Tsuki as well. I only had room for three names.

I found this, which seems to reference an earlier "vision" but I didn't see anything before this after the day started. Mynd, did you announce your vision before day broke?

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

If Mynd is to be trusted, then my vote would def go to Wombat. Him apparently giving Red a gift, then coming out and defending Red from my awesome case on her, reeks of buddying.

It COULD be possible that Red is just #FullRed this game, and not only amazingly wrong but also scumslipping left and right... as a townie. Not completely outside the realm of Red.

Something that makes me feel stronger that this could be a possibility is Dawn's WTF switch from me to Red, then saying that if Red is town I'm definite scum. She seems to be an absolute eager beaver to set me up for a lynch with a townflip on someone else.

Red, I declare a truce. I think its' possible you've been played by Wombat, and just had a bad game otherwise. I AM town btw, so if you are as well let's go ahead and catch actual scum, kk?

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[v]Wombat[/v]

Also ready to lock in Dawn as scum with Wombat (if Mynd is telling the truth, and I'm generally inclined to believe he is atm, then Wombat is def my pick for scum out of that group- I too agree that Len casing Dap before getting silenced likely wasn't distancing but Len trying to look active by going after Dap)

Already felt Wombat looked sketchy this game, for similar reasons as others have mentioned. I found his antagonistic prods towards Tommy yesterday to be more in line with scum!Wombat than town!Wombat. I also felt his vote switches were somewhat opportunistic, seemed he was parking his vote on me till it looked like I wouldn't be lynched, then switched to Tommy. Then there's the mini-spat he had with Cory early game. He also seems to have sniped a lot more this game rather than actually get his hands dirty. He's constantly making some kind of point, only to clarify that he isn't defending someone or attacking someone (like when he said scum often set up competing trains between townies, but oh wait he's not necessarily saying that Red is scum or that Tommy is town........ yeah)

As for others, Tsuki is also a pretty high scum read of mine. His lack of WIM and overall "meh" attitude doesn't align with his town meta at all, he normally doesn't give a flip if people suspect him or w/e.

Town reads on Vos, Dap, Pray, Nyn, Mynd, RTE perhaps (wasn't he the one that pointed out that Wombat shouldn't have known what item it was? Or was that Vos? Regardless, my scum read of RTE went way down after Tommy's flip, and he didn't seize the opportunity to use this against me like he could have as scum). Also kinda feel Clov is being reasonable this game, but not ready to give him a strong town lean yet.

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

Also, I PROB should go read the OP in full now

:blush:

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

Okay never mind whoever quoted the special stuff covered everything I missed. I DID read the rules btw, but I think I paged down after the player list which is how I missed that stuff

If anyone wants to show where Mynd first revealed his "vision", that would be swell. Thanks

:biggrin:

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

Eh I give up. Just skimmed through all of Mynd's posts but I couldn't find out where he originally claimed to have had a vision or dream (searching for those keywords or nightmare, fellini film, or anything didn't help either)

Anyhoo. Also saw the thing that made me feel townie on Clov, looks even more townie again after seeing it- where he mentioned Darthe being NK'ed makes Red less likely to be scum since she had just spent a bunch of time casing him. It didn't feel like scum defending a teammate, or scum white knighting a townie. Looked like town reasonably making a pretty good point.

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

nervositee
Clovdyx
myndrunner
Pralaya
TGlems
Nyn
Dap

ReleaseTheEvil

Red
Hallia

Tsukibana
dawnflower

Wombat

Where I'm at atm. Think my LOCK CLEARS look pretty good, and feel purdy good bout my scum group as well. To pontificate on the middle group:

RTE prob could be LOCK CLEAR if it wasn't for his early reveal yesterday. His recent posts don't look as bad however. But since I think it was Vos who pointed out that thing I gave RTE town cred for, I can't really put RTE firmly in my town group yet. Red seems like she's getting played by Wombat, but the WIFOM here is that it could be scum!Red trying to be out in the open and defend scummate Wombat out of pure wifom. She even pulled the "I wouldn't do that as scum" card. And Hallia... she replaced Zero, who had zero posts, and yet I feel like that slot still hasn't said anything. Wonk wonk.

hazelkrs1 · July 3, 2014

Don't think I'll ever take the lead over spamemo Tommy, but 2 moar posts after this and I overtake Darthe for second spot! Woot!

:biggrin:

Related: How did Darthe get out so many posts? That's prob the most active I've seen him in a LONG time. Engaged Darthe is fun Darthe :happy:

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

If Mynd is to be trusted, then my vote would def go to Wombat. Him apparently giving Red a gift, then coming out and defending Red from my awesome case on her, reeks of buddying.

It COULD be possible that Red is just #FullRed this game, and not only amazingly wrong but also scumslipping left and right... as a townie. Not completely outside the realm of Red.

Something that makes me feel stronger that this could be a possibility is Dawn's WTF switch from me to Red, then saying that if Red is town I'm definite scum. She seems to be an absolute eager beaver to set me up for a lynch with a townflip on someone else.

Red, I declare a truce. I think its' possible you've been played by Wombat, and just had a bad game otherwise. I AM town btw, so if you are as well let's go ahead and catch actual scum, kk?

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[v]Wombat[/v]

Also ready to lock in Dawn as scum with Wombat (if Mynd is telling the truth, and I'm generally inclined to believe he is atm, then Wombat is def my pick for scum out of that group- I too agree that Len casing Dap before getting silenced likely wasn't distancing but Len trying to look active by going after Dap)

Already felt Wombat looked sketchy this game, for similar reasons as others have mentioned. I found his antagonistic prods towards Tommy yesterday to be more in line with scum!Wombat than town!Wombat. I also felt his vote switches were somewhat opportunistic, seemed he was parking his vote on me till it looked like I wouldn't be lynched, then switched to Tommy. Then there's the mini-spat he had with Cory early game. He also seems to have sniped a lot more this game rather than actually get his hands dirty. He's constantly making some kind of point, only to clarify that he isn't defending someone or attacking someone (like when he said scum often set up competing trains between townies, but oh wait he's not necessarily saying that Red is scum or that Tommy is town........ yeah)

As for others, Tsuki is also a pretty high scum read of mine. His lack of WIM and overall "meh" attitude doesn't align with his town meta at all, he normally doesn't give a flip if people suspect him or w/e.

Town reads on Vos, Dap, Pray, Nyn, Mynd, RTE perhaps (wasn't he the one that pointed out that Wombat shouldn't have known what item it was? Or was that Vos? Regardless, my scum read of RTE went way down after Tommy's flip, and he didn't seize the opportunity to use this against me like he could have as scum). Also kinda feel Clov is being reasonable this game, but not ready to give him a strong town lean yet.

>My case was AWESOME, Wombat destroying it must mean he's scum.

>Ok maybe I was wrong about Red and she's "scumslipping left and right... as a townie" but Wombat is still scum.

>Hey Red, truce, vote Wombat with me.

>Hey these two frequently cased players are also scum.

>Town read on 6 people cuz I need more allies/WIFOM

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

Despo scum. RTE, Dawn, Darthe spewed town.

http://icanhas.cheezburger.com/

Should stuck with this. FML.

Tyler Glembo · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Yes.

LLL

Okay never mind whoever quoted the special stuff covered everything I missed. I DID read the rules btw, but I think I paged down after the player list which is how I missed that stuff

If anyone wants to show where Mynd first revealed his "vision", that would be swell. Thanks

He hinted at it, then hinted so hard it was ridiculous so I straight up asked if he was dreamer.

Tyler Glembo · July 3, 2014

Despo, check pages 81-86. Mynd asks for lists of 3, then he says the following...

@Darthe - don't go full Darthe on us now. Your paranoia is showing. I'm not buddying anyone. At least, not as bad as you buddied me in this game. I wonder....why do you think my question to you means I was suspicious of you in any way?

@Red - if you had to choose to lynch among these three, who would you choose? Darthe, Despo, or Womby?

Red, when you get a moment, please answer this question. If you respond with who I think you will, I have a much better idea who an investigator should read tonight.

Thank you. Let Day 2 shine a light on the game for us all!

Overall, a pretty decent N1 result. If we were going to lose a townie, Darthe's death gives us a lot of info to Cthu on. Maybe Lenlo didn't read the signs regarding Darthe.

I now feel pretty good about RTE & Red as well. I'm curious to see how people vote today. I'm willing to bet that the scum team were SHOCKED at losing Lenlo last night.

I think we can safely lynch Despo at this point. After last night's "vision", it was between Despo, Womby, and Dap. I didn't get a mafia read per se, but at least one of them is not town.

[v] Despo [/v]

Vos, RTE, and Red are town.

We need to hear from Tsuki as well. I only had room for three names.

After this, on p87, you went after and voted Red.

Hallia · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Yes.

LLL

Okay never mind whoever quoted the special stuff covered everything I missed. I DID read the rules btw, but I think I paged down after the player list which is how I missed that stuff

If anyone wants to show where Mynd first revealed his "vision", that would be swell. Thanks

He hinted at it, then hinted so hard it was ridiculous so I straight up asked if he was dreamer.

I missed it, but good catch!

I'm torn, Wombat just made some pretty good points there.

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Yes.

LLL

I'm tired of people saying/implying this. There's (presumably) a 1/9 chance the item was a Shrivelling spell. The answer "yes" is a perfectly valid response to Mynd's question given the information I was given.

Tyler Glembo · July 3, 2014

I'm tired of people saying/implying this. There's (presumably) a 1/9 chance the item was a Shrivelling spell. The answer "yes" is a perfectly valid response to Mynd's question given the information I was given.

Yes implies a certain confidence level about the gift. It seems out of place for a 1/9 chance to make such a positive assertion. An "I dunno" or "maybe" or something else would have been more in line.

If you and Red were both town, you could have been honest and said that you, as a gifter, don't know what the gift was.

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

I'm tired of people saying/implying this. There's (presumably) a 1/9 chance the item was a Shrivelling spell. The answer "yes" is a perfectly valid response to Mynd's question given the information I was given.

Yes implies a certain confidence level about the gift. It seems out of place for a 1/9 chance to make such a positive assertion. An "I dunno" or "maybe" or something else would have been more in line.

If you and Red were both town, you could have been honest and said that you, as a gifter, don't know what the gift was.

Read Mynd's question again. It doesn't ask for confidence, merely a reasonable possibility.

Hallia · July 3, 2014

I think you guys are splitting hairs on Wombat's response.

Does it make him town? Not necessarily. But yes was technically a valid answer.

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Really read this TG. Thanks.

Hallia · July 3, 2014

Vote Despo

I think Wombat's responses have been pretty good.

Tyler Glembo · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Really read this TG. Thanks.

I read it originally. Your welcome. I still don't think your answer was very genuine given that, if town, you would have no idea what you gave. Maybe I'm projecting, but I would have said that I didn't know.

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Really read this TG. Thanks.

I read it originally. Your welcome. I still don't think your answer was very genuine given that, if town, you would have no idea what you gave. Maybe I'm projecting, but I would have said that I didn't know.

I'm not you. Mynd typed "COULD" in all caps and emphasized that he didn't need specificity. I'm not gonna argue this point anymore. If you vote me, do it for a real reason.

dawnflower8 · July 3, 2014

I've been reading Red as town the entire game, but I think I have to change my mind here. She did look like she was defending Lenlo. And that did look like a scumslip to me.

If she flips town, Despo is almost definitely scum. If she flips scum, Despo is definitely town because his reads on Red did NOT seem like distancing.

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[v]Red[/v]

^ This for reference. I am not slamming Dawn, but does this sound like a typical Dawn post to you? Or maybe a coached post?

If I'm being coached, who do you think my coach is? Wombat, since I read him as town and everyone else seems to think he's scum?

Myndrunner · July 3, 2014

This will clinch it for me.

Womby, would you say that the gift you gave Red COULD make it possible for Lenlo to have an accident? You don't have to be specific, but is it possible that you gave Red a gift that could have caused Lenlo's death?

Really read this TG. Thanks.

I read it originally. Your welcome. I still don't think your answer was very genuine given that, if town, you would have no idea what you gave. Maybe I'm projecting, but I would have said that I didn't know.

I'm not you. Mynd typed "COULD" in all caps and emphasized that he didn't need specificity. I'm not gonna argue this point anymore. If you vote me, do it for a real reason.

Womby is right. This is kinda splitting hairs. He's still probably scum with Red, but not because of how he responded to my question.

Myndrunner · July 3, 2014

...BUT HE IS SCUM BECAUSE OF THESE!!!!

Tommy's gut!

Dap actually sounds like a townie there.

He may be right that it's likely a good idea to go for a lynch which will offer the most info.

So a t-dome between myself and Wombat might actually be better.

Not that anyone here will come back in time for that to happen, it's more of a symbolic vote.

Good luck piecing this mess of a thread together.

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[v]Wombat[/v]

Attack Red!

tbh i've been following along since late on Friday but have been unsure on how to respond.

the atmosphere of this game is poisonous, not even sure at this point if i want to be associated with this game given what happened to Tommy.

it was utterly disgusting to see and read all of that. not saying that Tommy wasn't low blowing, all sides of this ruined my WIM in this game.

that said, Darthe, Despo, and Wombat to a smaller point, should be ashamed of themselves. seriously i'd expect that type of behavior form a group of 13 year old hormone ridden insecure mean girls, but not from grown men that should know better than to act like that. theres one thing to taunt someone you think is scum, and another to take it far over the line like has happened in this game.

maybe in a day or two the atmosphere of this game will turn around, but right now i'm just not feeling it tbh.

Is this a joke? Tommy was being a complete tool, so I treated him like I treat tools.

Attack Red!

@ Darthe - when someone is being an emo brat you dont lower yourself to their level. all that does is make you come across as a bully emo brat.

Have you really been reading the thread? Do you know how many times both of us tried to talk reasonably with him and got vitriol in return?

Attack Red!

Easy for you to criticize people when you were completely MIA when it was going down, Red. As distasteful as you found reading that after the fact, it was much worse to live it.

Defense of Red after all of that?

Meh. I don't think it's alignment indicative. I just took her criticism askance.

Then, after Darthe & Lenlo flip at the beginning of D2....

I'm on my phone and cannot post from work today. Really surprised Sarthe flipped town, gj who ever shot Len.

[v]despo[/v]

I'll be loan for today until m much layer. We have a norm family weekly FAM dinner with on Tues with the grandparents and bubbas parents plus its mawmaws b-day. ^_^ will try to check after but will more than likely be tomorrow.

Womby isn't the bad guy anymore? Why would TOWN Wombat give a gift to the player he most antagonized with during the night?

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[v] wombat [/v]

WWWwombat · July 3, 2014

lol

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