[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[hazelkrs1]

Woot! New page! And Despot's case against Red continues!

 

 

 

@RED
Vote Tommy
@Dawn
Vote Tommy
@Dap 
Vote Tommy
@Mynd
Vote Tommy
@Tsuki
Die in a fire scum
@Len
Do something useful or positive
@Vos 
Vote Tommy
@Every non'reader
GFY
 
Goin full OLD DARTHE on this game.

 
 
bold - dude he's silenced viw Mod Conformation.  sever pingage for that

 

So I jumped the gun.

 

NAO Red has chainsaw defended Lenlo from three diff peeps (first Dap, then Mynd, then Darthe)

 

She seems outright obsessed with anyone mentioning Lenlo's absence/silence

 

Defending a teammate much Red?

[hazelkrs1]

yes its ping worthy to attacka  player who CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES!!

 

 

you want to go after Len for his vote on Dap.  by all means do it.  but do it when he can post back. 

 

 

no one likes the silence roles or post restrictions for this reason and anyone who uses a player being silenced to their advantage is rightly called out for it.

 

 

^MOAR HARDCORE CHAINSAW DEFENSE OF KNOWN SCUMMER

 

Again, do NOT let Red downplay her connection to Lenlo, no matter what else happens

 

Also don't let her weasel out of her "this game you're horribly wrong" scumslip towards me earlier

[WWWwombat]

 

Gonna try to do some #werk today.  Probably gonna fail.

 

Fyi a lot of peeps, including me, think you're fairly sketchballs right now, so if you're town, freaking put on some big boy panties and show it, cause we could use a town!Wombat to help wreck things

 

 

I'll see what I can do.  RL is kicking my ass atm but I've been putting off working on this game for a bit now.

[hazelkrs1]

Np Wombat, do what you can. RL always takes priority.

 

Also, I love you too much to see you get anxiety or something and take another break from mafia

 

[hazelkrs1]

Also, good news folks- we're getting towards the end of my Red case!!!

 

:ohmy:

[Red2111]

Starting my Red iso and OH GAWD THERE'S FOUR PAGES I HAVE TO WADE THROUGH

 

Pray for me yall

 

This is painful. I'm not even remotely kidding.

 

Why why WHY did I say I'd do a Red iso??????

 

Bleurgggggghhhhhhhhhhnnnnnngggghhhhaaahhh

 

I have found some juicy stuff tho. I'm considering stopping just with what I have...

 

 

your so called feet dragging is coming off heavily fake here. and i have 8 pages each from you and darthe to wade through, a lot of which was spam and was goading bullying of players. so get over yourself, at least my posts were actual game play content rather than fluff.

 

 

 

 

First wot:

 

Left in the Cory FOS just because,

 

what i said about cory, trying to over sell his townieness (iee: comming off as compensating) multiple people said.

 

with the reference to the back and forth between wombat and cory you agreed before his meltdown that it came off as gambity as well and post melt down accused Wombat of a one sided gambit.

 

 

 

but what pings about this post for me is her saying that RTE's OP was scummy, then IMMEDIATELY voting Vos because... he said RTE's OP was scummy

 

no i voted Vos because his VOTE had an opportunistic feel to it. it felt like a wagon vote, using another's reason to vote a person.

 

RTE's OP was scummy, FoS scummy, but not vote scummy imo.

 

Vos adding in the "aw darn someone beat me to it" is what made the vote come off as opportunistic; he adds his vote in as support to the wagon but assigns the main push to someone else, thereby washing his hands of the vote and laying all the push on Darthe.

 

 

 

If Vos' vote was opportunistic, then Red's FOS was even MOAR opportunistic[/quote

 

how so?

 

 

That Red didn't see this blatant contradiction actually made me initially think her town- as in reckless town who isn't paying attention to their own hypocrisy town

 

wait i though it was an opportunistic move, now its a contradiction? i think you're just throwing big words out there to try to mud fling my name and give yourself town cred at this point.

 

 

In retrospect, my reasoning was flawed there.

 

no you have the right of it in that i am town dude.

 

but you're reasoning and "casing" this entire game has been flawed. ur hot streak ended with a Tommy town flip dude.

 

 

 

Red voting for Vos for voting for RTE's OP which SHE HERSELF CALLED SCUMMY, is well incredibly scummy.

 

just cause somethign is scummy doesn't mean i'm gonna vote it. call it out for being scummy yes, FoS it yes; but vote it ... depends on how scummy tbh.

 

you know this is part of my play style Despo, stop fabricating and misreping.

 

 

 

Vos even mentions how someone beat him to it (Darthe actually beat him to it, not me), which kinda shows that even tho Vos saw the same thing Darthe did, he wasn't really being opportunistic, just agreeing about something that was scummy.

 

and also at the same time distancing himself from any responsibility of the lynch and allowing himself a way to back off of taking lead. all he has to do is say "lawl i was following Darthes point"

 

 

 

Red agreed herself, only difference is she arbitrarily decided to call Vos opportunistic for it

 

there was nothing arbitrary about calling Vos scummy for that vote. i've called him scummy for it since then and stand by my FoS and vote on him over it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Red2111]

 

fixed this post

Starting my Red iso and OH GAWD THERE'S FOUR PAGES I HAVE TO WADE THROUGH

 

Pray for me yall

 

This is painful. I'm not even remotely kidding.

 

Why why WHY did I say I'd do a Red iso??????

 

Bleurgggggghhhhhhhhhhnnnnnngggghhhhaaahhh

 

I have found some juicy stuff tho. I'm considering stopping just with what I have...

 

 

your so called feet dragging is coming off heavily fake here. and i have 8 pages each from you and darthe to wade through, a lot of which was spam and was goading bullying of players. so get over yourself, at least my posts were actual game play content rather than fluff.

 

 

 

First wot:

 

Left in the Cory FOS just because,

what i said about cory, trying to over sell his townieness (iee: comming off as compensating) multiple people said.

 

with the reference to the back and forth between wombat and cory you agreed before his meltdown that it came off as gambity as well and post melt down accused Wombat of a one sided gambit.

 

 

but what pings about this post for me is her saying that RTE's OP was scummy, then IMMEDIATELY voting Vos because... he said RTE's OP was scummy

no i voted Vos because his VOTE had an opportunistic feel to it. it felt like a wagon vote, using another's reason to vote a person.

 

RTE's OP was scummy, FoS scummy, but not vote scummy imo.

 

Vos adding in the "aw darn someone beat me to it" is what made the vote come off as opportunistic; he adds his vote in as support to the wagon but assigns the main push to someone else, thereby washing his hands of the vote and laying all the push on Darthe.

 

 

If Vos' vote was opportunistic, then Red's FOS was even MOAR opportunistic

how so?

 

 

That Red didn't see this blatant contradiction actually made me initially think her town- as in reckless town who isn't paying attention to their own hypocrisy town

wait i though it was an opportunistic move, now its a contradiction? i think you're just throwing big words out there to try to mud fling my name and give yourself town cred at this point.

 

 

In retrospect, my reasoning was flawed there.

no you have the right of it in that i am town dude.

 

but you're reasoning and "casing" this entire game has been flawed. ur hot streak ended with a Tommy town flip dude.

 

 

Red voting for Vos for voting for RTE's OP which SHE HERSELF CALLED SCUMMY, is well incredibly scummy.

just cause somethign is scummy doesn't mean i'm gonna vote it. call it out for being scummy yes, FoS it yes; but vote it ... depends on how scummy tbh.

 

you know this is part of my play style Despo, stop fabricating and misreping.

 

 

Vos even mentions how someone beat him to it (Darthe actually beat him to it, not me), which kinda shows that even tho Vos saw the same thing Darthe did, he wasn't really being opportunistic, just agreeing about something that was scummy.

and also at the same time distancing himself from any responsibility of the lynch and allowing himself a way to back off of taking lead. all he has to do is say "lawl i was following Darthes point"

 

 

Red agreed herself, only difference is she arbitrarily decided to call Vos opportunistic for it

there was nothing arbitrary about calling Vos scummy for that vote. i've called him scummy for it since then and stand by my FoS and vote on him over it.

[hazelkrs1]

Fyi Red if you actually expect me to respond to any of your responses to me case, well then-

 

[hazelkrs1]

I'm not even going to play catch-up, sick to death of "Tompo" crap cluttering the thread.

 

 

Scum:

Despo and Tommy - this craptastic frenemy shite you got going on is sickening. Am I the only one that sees that these two are talking a whole hell of a lot without saying anything.

RTE - Finding me TOWN with how I have been playing? Ugh.

 

[v]Despothera[/v]

 

Town: Nyn, Wombat, Mynd, Darthe

Three of the fourth are town simply because they are willing to call me on my lazyness. I don't often see scum doing more than simply bitching about the lazyness in general "a lurker is scum" is usually the most that happens.

 

I am Town, but you can take it or leave it.

 

soooooo  let me get this straight ...  you're not caught up and give an angstwagon post on Despo vs Tommy and make a vote on the current lead wagon

 

and you throw in an unnecissary soft reveal at the end.

 

 

your push on Dawn earlier this thread was pingtastic, this just reeks.  consider yourself added to the lockscum group as far as i'm concerned.

 

 

 Mainly wanted to quote this because here she says Tsuki is lockscum, but doesn't really follow up on that at all for a while

 

AORN I'm thinking Red and Tsuki might be scum together, and Red has thrown out half hearted distancing lobs but not kept at them like townbulldog!Red would have

[Red2111]

Red reiterates her scumread of Vos, and says he had opportunistic scum all over it/him, while also heavily FOS'ing Cory

 

 

when i FoS someone i post FoS, i dont see an FoS directed at Cory.  i was pointing out that i didn't like what he was selling and why, voicing my opinion on the entire affair (you know being an active player).

 

others agreed about this and made the same point (yourself included and you were one of the main pushers on him btw) .  grats on pulling tunnel vison Despo.

 

 

Something I noticed while compiling quotes is that Red FOS'd Cory HEAVILY MULTIPLE times, only she never actually voted for him, and well in retrospect that should look scummy for anyone, not just me

 

 

this is ironic cumming form the person that pleaded with the thread to not thunderdome with cory until lolcory went away and he took the AtE down a notch.

 

but by all means, continue to try and sweep your entire scummy interaction with cory under the rug by blaming it on someone slipping something into your cury *eyeroll*

 

 

just LOOK at how she starts off her wot- she votes me but then IMMEDIATELY proceeds to agree with me for like 5-6 quotes.

 

 

i agreed with you on two points, and called you out on 5 or 6 points.  you wont break the post down because you can't misrep the post if you do and hope that people will just skim me WoT and take your word for it.  here let me break it down for you lazy bones

 

- called you out for reaching on the obv joke about howling from Tsuki

 

- you were the first person to point out what i missed cause of the Womby/Cory thing.  i was giving credit where it was deserved.  and the subsequent "agreed" was ditto, because i had the same thought.  i use ditto and agreed interchangeably in this context.

 

- fun poke back at having been poked

 

- called you out on your contradiction on cory.  seriously FoS'ing him and accusing him of defending Tommy when you did the same thing for Cory by asking the thread not to thunderdome with him

 

- ditto'd or agreed with the points RTE made about the same Tsuki post you pointed out earlier.

 

- pointed out the first time you TRIED TO SET UP A FUTURE LYNCH  (i put those in large letters since you claimed i did no such thing in D1)

 

- pointed out the idocy of RTE's reveal.

 

- laughed at your sardonic remark, cause it was funny and i lol'd IRL and i was giving you props for making me laugh IRL

 

- pointed out what i thought was an attempt by tommy to get focus off RTE (ie: convenient vote).

 

- reaction to AtE and calling him out for being a poor sportsmen in the game (and rightly so)

 

- pointing out a crappy defense to of oneself and an absurd 3rd person post *eyeroll*

 

- adding in that there are more than two types of reactions to AtE plays and calling you out for being a distraction.

 

 

 

Now, I WILL say that I could mebbe see Red thinking I could be a bit scummy for her lolbad reasoning that I was "setting up lynches". I wasn't, but I certainly WAS linking players, and guess what? THAT'S NOT SCUMMY. Building associative tells is a big part of what the game is all about. This person defended that person who flipped scum so myeh, that person drove this person's lynch who flipped town so myeh, so on and so forth

 

 

but thats not what you've been doing this entire game.  you've been CLEARING people based souly off your reads on ONE PERSON. 

 

and yes you were setting up lynches.  go back and read the bit i forgot to bold.  this bit right here

 

"If he flips scum, then we can look closer at Wombat and Cory, who both kinda soft defended him."

 

you were setting up lynches for regardless of how RTE flipped.  Vos if RTE flips town and Wombat/Cory if Vos flipped scum  (amazing how you leave me and Darthe off of this btw considering we had also commented on the Vos thing by now)

 

 

HOWEVER, in Red's world, everything everyone does is scummy, so to her linking players = scum

 

 

yes it is.  especially if your CLEARING PLAYERS based on a persons on thread actions.

 

 

All that being said tho, I still think this is a terrible and scummy post. In it, she multiple times says that Emo Cory makes her want to dig deeper into him, but that she won't vote for him yet

 

 

no i said i wouldn't give him attention, nothing about voting.  meaning i was ignoring him being a brat because i found your role in it to be not only that of an instigator, but also an enabler.  hence the vote on you at that point

 

 

To me this is fairly obviously her laying the foundation to switch to voting Cory later on. Red is NOT the type of person to just let someone slide if she feels like digging deeper into them, that just DOES NOT COMPUTE for her, as anyone who knows her can testify

 

 

i didn't dig in deeper at Mish when she was AtEing in TRW game Despo.   AtE in general makes me want to go harder at the person using it, because i find it so damn annoying.  its a reaction that gets me in hot water and is something i'm trying to kick tbh

 

and even when i said i wouldn't go at Cory, i ended up doing so anyways, which you conveniently forgot to mention.

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Fyi in a really crappy mood now (not your fault Red btw) so if any more of these seem to carry less passion.... yeahhhh

 

 

 

 

That doesn't work - Despo DIDN'T teach me in my first game - it was Darthe and Dice.

You said: "I've played as scum with Des - he taught me in my first game. Wanna better reason than that?"

 

I know I did, but I am putting it out that that reason doesn't fly - I am now looking into the other games I can find at the time.

 

 
^ here is why that vote moved him from null to lockscum for me.
 
this reads as
 
"lawl my original reason for voting Despo is bullshanks, hold up, let me go dig up something to make my vote legit"

 

Red says Tsuki is lockscum because he seemed to be trying to retroactively justify a vote on me

 

This makes no sense if she still has me as scum

 

Yet after this she continues acting like I'm lock scum

 

Wish I could make a pithy remark about how this looks from her perspective or yadda yadda but I can't. Feel freaking miserable right now.

[hazelkrs1]

 

analyzing the Dap case, atleast what i could peace together.  some parts might be missing as i did this as i was catching up rather than going over the thread with a fine tooth comb.
 
overall i have to say Dap going at Len like that still reeks, but town's can do reeky things.  his wagon OTOH built ubber fast and some votes on him make my hair stand on end (like Mynd and RTE's)
 
on the flip side, i dislike Daps disappearing act when the bullets started flying his way, and Darthe is pushing hardcore for it and plainly my gut is saying not to trust Darth atm.
 
 
TL;DR version ...  too much WIFOM and not enough info to make him a viable lynch candidate for today, espeially with better candidates like Despo skiving by without any pressure.
 
 
how do you ISO in these games?  i need the tutorial.
 
 

Well, sucks what Cory did and what happened with him. FWIW, I had a scum read on him till the point he quoted his role PM. Mainly because he was emo way too early on the game. Like he did in Real Genius. But which he didn't do in Buffy (not so early)

That said, as of now, my two suspicions.
 
 

Also, people seem to be taking RTE's OP out of context and I think that's why the votes on him started.  It's null imo.  His reaction to the pressure has been kinda crappy imo, but that
's also kinda null for me atm as RTE is pretty scummy and flippant every time I see him play.  Kind of like a more spastic Lenlo.

I get goosepricks everytime I see Wombat defending someone using their meta. He does that somewhat as scum. Mainly a meta read.

I do love me some competing trains

I don't think I've ever played with Corey before
But I appreciate the case on him and respect the three people voting him (all three don't tend to play very tight games)
However I really dislike RTes reveal and don't think his train will continue given the new momentum on Corey
Therefore in the interest of having those competing trains
[v]vote RTE[/v]

In other news I'm going to bed, exam in the morning so don't expect to hear from me for a while ( 16 hours or so)
Once I'm back though I'll be a free man

Pretty opportunistic right there. I don;t like how he casually puts up the competing train there and votes him. Yeah, not sounding good.

[v]Dap[/v]

 

 
first - holy crap a Pral post  0.0
 
2nd - this vote on Dap feels forced imo.  competing trains is not opportunistic, its info gathering.   2 trains is always better than one.
 
 
 
 

[unvote]
[v]Dap[/v]
 
Hiding behind "competing trains" meta and general sliminess.

 
this vote is pingy.   what do you mean by the bold Womby?
 
 

[v]Dap[/v]

Let's go for it then. I have town reads on everyone posting right now, let's go for the non-participants.

 
i dislike this vote tbh  its an unabashed bandwagon vote where you haven't caught up and reads as a CYA move.
 
 
 

Dap is both unwilling to clear people yet doing everything he can to remind people that he's busy and shouldn't be judged for his absence (despite saying he'd have a lot of free time coming up). Posts like "That doesn't mean you aren't as well..." are just abysmal and I really hope he isn't town or his approach to the game is soooo level zero that he should really know better by now.

So: scum lean on Dap for forced reasoning and conspicuous scumscuses for inactivity.

 
but you CYA with your vote and gain town cred for this
 
 

Thats the thing.  I think he was voting RTE to not look scummish but then tried to be sneaky about removing his vote.  If RTE flips scum, it does NOT clear Player and visa versa. 
 
Also, while we are on the subject of Player, I have a gut feeling that HE knows more about Lenlo being frozen.  It's just a gut feeling, but I keep reading his comment about it and it makes me go HMmmmmmmm. 

 
it was noted but say what?
 
nudge for the player wagon here by Mynd but no vote to back it up.  in fact he votes Tommy in his next post.
 
 

 

 

Vote Count
Nyn(1)- Wombat
ReleaseTheEvil(3)- Darthe, Nervo, Des
Darthe(1)- cory
Nervo(1)- Red
cory(3)- Mynd, Quibby, Tommy
With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynchDeadline: No deadline

I do love me some competing trains

I don't think I've ever played with Corey before
But I appreciate the case on him and respect the three people voting him (all three don't tend to play very tight games)
However I really dislike RTes reveal and don't think his train will continue given the new momentum on Corey
Therefore in the interest of having those competing trains
[v]vote RTE[/v]

In other news I'm going to bed, exam in the morning so don't expect to hear from me for a while ( 16 hours or so)
Once I'm back though I'll be a free man

 

 
This post is bad, bad, bad. Not only does he bandwagon here, but he eggs on the cory lynch, self consciously acknowledges his wagoning, tries to rationalize it, and then provides scumscuses for his eventual absence, as if anyone cares, followed by a promise to play a lot more.

It would be difficult to pen a post more conspicuous and oozing with awkwardness than this one.

We need to lynch Dap today, seriously. He's scum.

 

 
^ totally nuetralizes the scumminess of his vote with this post imo
 
 

Tommy, congratulations!  You have been upgraded to our "Slightly Scum" suite, located on the second floor.  Not as rank and dirty as our "Scum Salad" suite, but the previous occupant left a foul stench of scum in the bathroom.  Pardon us while our housekeeping staff sprays lysol and frebreeze in the room as they prepare it for you.   He was some kind of piano player, I guess.....but now he's joining the other cockroaches in the basement.
 
[unvote]
 
[v] dapianoplayer [v]

 
though i think Mynd is scum adn tots wrong on Tommy, lol @ the hotel bit.
 
keeping a lynch lined up for D2 while vote hoping to the lead wagon with a bullshanks "knows more about Len getting frozen" nudge reason for his vote.  srsly Mynd i know you liek to startle the snakes with absurd things to see who latches onto them ... but thats a bit too see through right thar.
 
 

 

The players voting for Des should probably move to Dap as well, unless someone can show me prior Des scum meta where he acts this hard-headed and full of himself to the point where he exhibits paranoid town delusional grandeur. I don't know what his range is like. I'm hoping he comes in today and is more reasonable.

 
Ugh. Worried that this is what he knows we will think and is still scum.
 
Fine, still on my scum list though.
 
[unvote] [v] Dap [/v]

 

 
though he has a previous "case" built on Dap via the Darth post recently, the reluctant "well alright i'll move my vote then" and the appearance of needing to be persuaded to move his vote pings.

 

 

This is another Red wot that I'm not gonna chop at all. In it's entirety, it's pretty bad.

 

She goes from saying Dap seemed scummy, to well his train built fast so prob town, to actually he could be scum after all, to instantly quoting every single vote on Dap and saying why it's scummy

 

Reeks of fake scumhunting to me, and the fencesitting and flip flopping on Dap at the beginning is gross

 

Think I had more on this one but meh.

[hazelkrs1]

tbh i've been following along since late on Friday but have been unsure on how to respond.

 

the atmosphere of this game is poisonous, not even sure at this point if i want to be associated with this game given what happened to Tommy.

 

 

it was utterly disgusting to see and read all of that. not saying that Tommy wasn't low blowing, all sides of this ruined my WIM in this game.

 

 

that said, Darthe, Despo, and Wombat to a smaller point, should be ashamed of themselves. seriously i'd expect that type of behavior form a group of 13 year old hormone ridden insecure mean girls, but not from grown men that should know better than to act like that. theres one thing to taunt someone you think is scum, and another to take it far over the line like has happened in this game.

 

 

maybe in a day or two the atmosphere of this game will turn around, but right now i'm just not feeling it tbh.

 

 

This is a post I just will never ever ever ever ever ever see town!Red make ever in my life. She is NOT one to sit in the background as town and let something happen she disagrees with. I do not buy for one second that all the emo made her not want to participate. Emo is basically the weakest deterrent there is to Red. She is immune to it's effects.

[Red2111]

Moar of Red heavily fos'ing Cory while not voting him.

so let me get this straight. for Despo, you have to vote the person your casing at that time. you cant multi task and vote the person who being scummiest which casing other players and applying pressure with words and FoS's.

 

 

and here i though being able to multi-task was a mark of a good scum hunter *eyeroll*

 

you're also mis-reping what you know is my normal play style Despo.

 

 

We call this "nudging" lately btw Red, and imo "nudging" someone's train, i.e. fos'ing them while not voting them, is a lot scummier than actually voting that person.

i call it multi-tasking.

 

 

nudging is sorta what Wombat was doing to the tommy lynch. nudging is when you cast support to a train but dont take lead, instead you're cheerleading the main pushers. this way any back lash of the lynch doesn't land directly on you.

 

i no longer believe womby is scum though, i'm just trying to let people know the difference between the two so they can see the blatant misrep you're doing

 

 

As I said before, scum like letting others do their dirty work for them, so if they can nudge someone and keep making them look scummy while not voting them, they can get a townie lynched while possibly not showing up on the VC later on for people who like to do wagonomics.

if i was letting others do my dirty work for me (which isn't my personality, and you also know this Despo; those who know me as scum know i'm no Moggy to stay in the shadows. i'm more of a Greandal or Lanfear, i dont mind getting my hands dirty).

 

but i digress, if i was nudging the cory lynch, i wouldn't have taken point on the push and started goign at him. i did take point and i did go at him.

 

 

Also, notice how she "+1"'s Wombat's comment about me being Brazen Scum. This will be more relevant a bit later

 

because you're scum game is like mine Despo. you aint afraid to get your hands dirty. you ARE brazen when you're scum; which is exactly what you've been this game. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

Easy for you to criticize people when you were completely MIA when it was going down, Red.  As distasteful as you found reading that after the fact, it was much worse to live it.

Its wasn't after the fact. I kept up with it via my phone and the convo in general was not only harshing my buzz but I didn't want to associate myself with the hate fest on both sides by jumping in. I saw tommys reveal which only affirmed my belief in him being legit town and was more than happy to consider him tree stump town and lynch RTE instead.

 

And when I said I was disappointed in the entire atmosphere that included tommy ad well. But tbh I expected more of you, despo & Sarthe and was surprised to see you lot go "beat a cornered dog to death" on tommy. I get y'all thought he was dvum tho I didn't agree with it. But that to me went over the line a bit.

 

Yes I tap dance the line myself but when I know my point is made about finding a person scummy and they start to go nuclear I'll back off of them.

 

Again, same as before, I will never in mah life see a town!Red make this post. If anything, Red herself has gone overboard in pushing someone for a lynch MANY times. She has pissed off I don't know how many people, yet afterwards they worked it out.

 

Her stance here just seems COMPLETELY forced to me, that she is just trying to explain why she wasn't around while all this stuff was going on.

 

Furthermore, as it has been pointed out before, TOMMY was the one who sent the thread into a dark place once again, with all his antagonistic "play better" crap. Darthe and I were simply responding to it. We weren't trying to "beat a cornered dog to death", we were trying to lynch someone we saw as scrambling (and incredibly rude) scum. If anything, I think Darthe and I handled all the negative emo from Tommy fairly well for the most part.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm finally done. Hooray.

 

 

And now, what I'm sure everyone has been waiting for, my TL, DR case on Red:

 

1. Her nudging of Cory, saying his emo made her want to dig deeper but that she wouldn't- this does not jive with a town!Red mindset whatsoever

2. Her repeated and hardcore chainsaw defense of Lenlo, a known scummer

3. Her continuous misreps (she misrepped the crap out of Dap, Vos, and myself)

4. Her scumslip: "Despot is terribly wrong this game" - indicating she knows me to be town, yet is still pushing me as lockscum

5. Her setting up of two townies for competing trains yesterday (Tommy flipped town, and in my case it's subjective, but meh it's still true)

6. Her ridiculous and blatant hypocrisy while casing others- says I'm linking players, goes on to link players, says Vos is opportunistic, is more opportunistic with her scummy nudge on Cory

 

There's a lot more I'm sure, but eh I think those sum up the main points pretty well for me.

 

Red is LOCK SCUM yall.

[Red2111]

 

 

 

Cory is naturally a very emotional player.  He's passionate, so anyone that uses that as a scum tell is scummerific, I think.

 
Hallia comes forward to defend her hydra head...
 

 

@ halia

theres a difference between being an emotional player and trying to use your own meta to clear yourself.

Cory is milking the AtE angle and its coming off as compensating.

 
And Red responds that he's trying to use meta to clear himself... even tho Cory wasn't really doing that, at all
 
MISREP ALERT

 

hindsight we know he wasn't, but thats the nice thing about hindsight aint it.

 

 

at the time i was working with what i knew

 

cory was persistent with saying "i'm town".  he was pushing it so hard it was past the point of believable.  it came off as him trying to tell a lie so many times even he'd believe it.

 

cory is known for AtE.  the AtE was so absurdly thick around him it came off as forced and him trying to use his own meta to get people to believe him (basically what you're doing this game with your meta Despo)

 

 

 

 

 

add into the fact that this entire AtE attention grab from him is distracting as all get out (which is ironic coming from me) and has done squat for scum hunting imo.


makes me wonder what he's tryign to distract from tbh

 
Moar scummy nudging
 
Last line fails scummy tone test btw

 

not nudging, being blunt and calling Cory out on what he was doing.  the AtE WAS distracting and did NO scumhunting.

 

as to the last line, again hindsight.  but in context it makes sense sense as i didnt knwo he'd flip town and it wasn't some sort of gambit

 

 

 

that is about the most selfish thing i've ever seen a player do in a game Cory. you dig yourself a hole that you cant get out of so you cut your nose off to spite the town and leave us one in the hole on D1 with the lynch still looming.

 
I pointed this out before, but yeah this looks like mock outrage to me to the nth degree. She responded and said it wasn't that blahblahblah as a mod she would never let him play yadda yadda. Still looks like mock outrage to me upon reread however.

 

not mock outrage.  regardless of alignment i'd have this outrage, not as a player but as a game mod.  and you can take it to the bank what i said about him being blacklisted from any game i mod, at least until i see an improvement that lets me know he wont pull a bone head stunt in one of my games and demolish my setup.  i'm not going to rant about it here because whats done is done.

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

I do have thoughts on other players as well right now, but I'm freaking mentally and emotionally drained, and I don't want to let that affect my reads of anyone.

 

Bye.

[hazelkrs1]

Again Red, dunno if you're just enjoying shouting at empty space, but yeah I'm not reading any of your responses.

 

COME @ ME

[Red2111]

Red says Vos' vote was opportunistic cause "the way he did it and how he did it"

 

...........

 

 

Fake scumhunting much?

 

Then she calls him out for fencesitting on Cory. Even tho Red HERSELF was fencesitting in a MUCH scummier manner not long before this, saying that Emo Cory made her wanna dig deeper at him but that she would give him a pass and figure out if he was town or scum later. That was soooooo much scummier of a fence-sit, especially considering how Red kept nudging @ Cory after that for a while while still declining to vote him

 

Def a pot calls a kettle black sicheeashun

 

more mis-rep

 

bold - so you agree that Vos was fence sitting then?

 

 

so let me get this straight.  i'm fake scum hunting for calling Vos out on his scumminess concerning Cory and his vote on RTE but you agree with the fake scum hunting point that Vos was fence sitting ...  but we're going to push that point back because i'm scummier.

 

 

we call this move right here, defense of a team mate while performing slight of hand.

 

 

 

 

@ Vos - being ninja'd still doesn't make up for the fence sitting you did on Cory and flip flopping on your leans with him.

 

Again, Red is just as guilty of fencesitting regarding her read of Cory before this, maybe even more so

 

Her push against Vos looks just scummeriffic to me

 

 

and again you dont argue with the fact that Vos was indeed fence sitting.

 

all your saying is "yeah he has an orange but your orange is bigger"

 

and then you claim my push on Vos is scummy, even though you agree he was fence sitting   o.0  0.o   circle logic tunnel vision FTW.

 

 

 

 

 

Red you think everything is scummy.  Define "Scummy" please and then show it to me the next time you come across it.  Atm you've devalued the word to the point that I don't much care about your reads.

scummy things in game so far

 

- wombat and cory's thunderdoming earlier appeared came out of no where, lacked any real conviction (ie felt forced) and came out looking like an early distancing gambit.

 

- RTE's "i'm town too guys" coupled with the early reveal with 2 votes on him.

 

- Vos's apparent flip floping on his read on Cory to fence sit on cory's alignment. the whole "i'm leaning scum but i suck at reading him" and his wagon vote on RTE felt opportunistic

 

- Tsuki's "inactivity" push and calling out Dawn being coached, then the 3rd person "explanation" weak sauce post

 

and finally

 

- Despo for many reasons

* linkage of numerous players

* setting up future lynches

* distraction stuff with Cory about AtE

* linking Darth and Daw together and claiming Darth was caching Dawn on the game thread

 

 

Already covered this post at one point but yeah- scummy spark notes post imo

 

The way she covers the Wombat/Cory thing as well as the points against RTE and Vos just looks like her trying to just repeat earlier stuff she pointed out to look like she's remaining consistent- cause the thing is, a LOT of other stuff happened up to this point that was WAY more significant than some of the stuff she mentions here. Again, scum!Red trying to look consistent, instead of town!Red taking in new info and evaluating how that changes her stance on other things

 

I also covered her points against me, but put simply she's trying way too hard to oversell my scumminess there. She even calls me out for linking twice for Christ sake, even tho LINKING IS NOT SCUMMY. It shows I'm paying attention. She also says I'm setting up future lynches here, even tho I was doing no such thing

 

 

bold - even you remarked tha tthe womat/cory thing still didnt sit well after the melt down. 

 

underline - you went on to use the same RTE stuff in your case against him after #fullDarthe mode was activated.  people also agree (yourself included) that Vos is pingage.

 

italics - what "way more significant stuff" did i miss out on at this point in the game?

 

blue -  so now your dropping the misrep angle and claiming i'm trying too hard.  linking is scummy and you were setting up future lynches.

 

 

 

 

 

Red, I would guess you're town just because you don't make sense. I get what you're saying on the timing of my vote but I haven't been following the non-Cory events in the game and my vote is independent of other wagons. Aside from that it sounds like you agree with me, so carry on. What do you think of the Hallia posts, like the one Darthe commented on?

i think halia is doing damage control to make sure that cory's actions dont reflect on her outside of this game.

 

other than that, they seem like damage control, which for my is always a ping when it comes to Hydras.

 

 

This was practically a scumslip on Red's part

 

Tommy was saying Red wasn't making any sense (and was somehow town for it cause... reasons), since Red was fos'ing Hallia even tho her hydra head just commited sepuku.

 

In response, Red continues fos'ing Hallia... saying that ______ is "always a ping when it comes to Hydras"

 

If that doesn't look like blatant fake scumhunting to you guys, I just don't know what to say

 

Imo what happened is she forgot Hallia was hydras with Cory, and fos'd her, but when it was pointed out that this didn't make sense, instead of backtracking she tried going all in on it, out of fear of looking bad

 

 

say what?

 

bold - please show me where i said that in the above response to tommys question.  where did i FoS her?

 

 

Tommy asked: What do you think of the Hallia posts, like the one Darthe commented on?

 

i answered: i think Halia is doing damage control (ie: making sure people in this game know that cory did the MK on his own without her approval so that the black lash of being blacklisted form games doesn't effect her reputation)

 

on thread it looked like Halia was trying to be "good cop" to cory's "bad cop".  Hoof hadn't MKd them yet, for all i knew Cory posted a fake role PM as some sort of odd gambit to get reactions.  i assumed it was legit, but didn't know 100% until Hoof came in and actually MKd him.

 

when hydra's play goodcop/badcop on thread is always makes my ears perk up.   and a ping =/= FoS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Red, I would guess you're town just because you don't make sense. I get what you're saying on the timing of my vote but I haven't been following the non-Cory events in the game and my vote is independent of other wagons. Aside from that it sounds like you agree with me, so carry on. What do you think of the Hallia posts, like the one Darthe commented on?

i think halia is doing damage control to make sure that cory's actions dont reflect on her outside of this game.

 

other than that, they seem like damage control, which for my is always a ping when it comes to Hydras.

 

I agree with you, but Cory already got himself

Modkilled by posting his Role PM. He played bad and then threw a tantrum. Whatever. I'm trying not to get mad so I'll just move on.

 

I think Mynd is scum for the reason stated above.

 

and i still think Despo is scummier, though i do agree that Mynd was being opportunistic, which pings.

 

 

Tommy responds and points out that Cory got himself MK'ed, but then talking about the issue again seems to bum him out so he doesn't point out that Red's response still doesn't make sense.

 

Red responds that I'm scummier, but bandwagons onto Tommy's fos of Mynd anyways

 

 

you were scummier and Mynds excitment over a "suicide pact" between Tommy and Cory was FoS worthy.

 

 

 

 

gonna suggest RTE be put on hold in favor for a Tommy & Despo competing train

 

 

all aboard?

 

This is where she first talks about setting up a Thunderdome with me and Cory, even tho she was JUST agreeing with Tommy.

 

 

because Tommy came out smelling horrible fromt eh Cory flip (you urself used this to push his lynch btw) and you are the most scumtastic player all game.

 

 

 

This is what made me think she did this as a distancing maneuver from Tommy, since it appeared to me she was working together with Tommy too much (and Tommy looked scumtastic to me)

 

you were wrong about Tommy and you're wrong about me.

 

you were also wrong about Len who you LOCKCLEARED on D1

 

i'm seeing a trend here.

 

 

 

Now I think it was just scum!Red trying to set up competing trains between two townies

 

so i was working with tommy ... but tommy flipped town ... so now i'm just setting up two townie trains?

 

well when one angle falls flat, make sure you have a plan G

 

[dawnflower8]

I've been reading Red as town the entire game, but I think I have to change my mind here. She did look like she was defending Lenlo. And that did look like a scumslip to me.

If she flips town, Despo is almost definitely scum. If she flips scum, Despo is definitely town because his reads on Red did NOT seem like distancing.

 

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[v]Red[/v]

[Red2111]

First of all, BLATANT MISREP ALERT @ emphasized

the misrep is on you. i've explained that i misunderstood what it mean by thunderdome. you can even tell by the context i've been using it it, both in this game and in others.

 

 

Dap wasn't even close to trying to thunderdome with Lenlo

Dap was too casing Len.

 

 

Now, Red clarifies that she thought "thunderdome" meant hardcore casing, but even that isn't true, and honestly doesn't really fit the context she used it in.

yes it does. i thought a thunderdome = cage match = hardcore casing/pressure.

 

ie: picking a fight with someone and going after them.

 

 

There's not really anything wrong with casing someone who's silenced- if you case them then act like their lack of a response is scummy, well then obviously there's something wrong with that, but that's not what Dap was doing.

casing a person who is silenced is scummy. your pickign a fight with someone who can't defend themselves.

 

 

He was catching up, and pointing out stuff he thought was significant, and obviously wasn't caught up enough or missed that Lenlo was silenced, but either way he wasn't going into huge "Case Lenlo to get lynched immediately mode"

Len was basically his only focus that post and his only case. i'd say it was a push to start a train on a silenced player and i dont buy for one sec that he "didn't know" Len was silenced.

 

 

 

 

Second, let me point out who's defense she is sprinting towards here- Lenlofinger, who happened to flip scum. Did I have a town read on Lenlo? Yes. Oh well, he fooled me. /shrug

you didn't just have a town read on him, you had him on your "lock clear never lynch any of these people" after he posted ONE POST.

 

but lets just over look the Despo angle here shall we.

 

lets over look that Red has also been pressuring Despo about said fact that he was so quick to lockclear Len on D1

 

 

I never attacked anyone for suspecting him tho. Red did, and she does this multiple times.

no theres a difference. i voiced my opinion on goign after a silenced player, your mis reping me as i told Darthe:

 

 

 

yes its ping worthy to attacka player who CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES!!

 

 

you want to go after Len for his vote on Dap. by all means do it. but do it when he can post back.

 

 

no one likes the silence roles or post restrictions for this reason and anyone who uses a player being silenced to their advantage is rightly called out for it.

 

 

 

DO NOT LET HER DOWNPLAY HER CONNECTION TO LENLO FOLKS

and dont let Despo off on this

 

 

 

Reads list time!

 

Town to scum:

 

Darthe

Lenlo

Mynd

Quibby

 

are all LOCK CLEAR. NEVER lynch these people.

 

 

 

Lastly, Mynd points out that RTE has a better case on him, and has been talked about by more people (so more info) and that his train is larger, so why not have competing trains between RTE and Tommy? Red responds that me and Tommy are far scummier, but that we could set up tri-trains to include RTE. Basically in my eyes it just makes Red look like SHE is the one who was trying to set up as many lynches as possible, trying to juggle reads to make sure town remembers that Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, and Z are all scummy

so now you have a problem with more than one train going on, two of which are on you lockscum list.

 

 

 

Also, with Tommy flipping town, my scum read on RTE went down somewhat, so it's very likely that Red wanted to set up three competing trains on three townies. This doesn't automatically make her scum as town!Red has been wrong A LOT in the past, but still worth noting

ah now we waffle on RTE. no no no brah, you dont get to waffle after that stunt you pulled on how you went about casing people and you "ride despo while he's hot" shinanagins.

 

now your just trying to twist events to make me scum regardless of everything else and double down on me whil waffling on the rest of your set ups from D1.

[Myndrunner]

I'm finally done. Hooray.

 

 

And now, what I'm sure everyone has been waiting for, my TL, DR case on Red:

 

1. Her nudging of Cory, saying his emo made her want to dig deeper but that she wouldn't- this does not jive with a town!Red mindset whatsoever

2. Her repeated and hardcore chainsaw defense of Lenlo, a known scummer

3. Her continuous misreps (she misrepped the crap out of Dap, Vos, and myself)

4. Her scumslip: "Despot is terribly wrong this game" - indicating she knows me to be town, yet is still pushing me as lockscum

5. Her setting up of two townies for competing trains yesterday (Tommy flipped town, and in my case it's subjective, but meh it's still true)

6. Her ridiculous and blatant hypocrisy while casing others- says I'm linking players, goes on to link players, says Vos is opportunistic, is more opportunistic with her scummy nudge on Cory

 

There's a lot more I'm sure, but eh I think those sum up the main points pretty well for me.

 

Red is LOCK SCUM yall.

 

[Red2111]

the last line (perhaps you just want to focus on RTE and speed lynch) looks like it could be a TMI slip, like she knew RTE would flip town

no i dont know if RTE will flip town, but he is a town lean now and has been since late D1 when you and Darthe started going after him

 

 

Also, Red keeps hammering home that me and Tommy had done the scummiest things in thread, but she never really said what scummy thing Tommy had done up to this point,

i did, and you even quoted it. the timing of his Cory vote and how he pushed the cory lynch. you even commented this

 

 

 

 

@ mynd ya srsly. Despo = lockscum & Tommy near lockscum for his stunt on Cory. Obv now Cory wasn't scum yet tom posted that bit of "kill myself so obv Cory = scum" why else would tom push so hard unless he was worried about Cory soul reading him. There's also his vote on cory which was convenient given how much pressure and the wagon on RTE at the time. And now RTE is MIA

 

 

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This has me slightly worried Red is actually derp to the derp squared town and not scumbuddies with Tommy, for reasons that aren't extremely easy to put into words. She parrots the thing about Cory being able to soulread Tommy well, but it IS a good point, so while it could be distancing.... eh.

 

 

 

 

he states i never posted why i saw tommy as scummy or backed my push on him, yet here he is saying that part of my reasoning for suspecting tommy is valid

 

o.0

 

 

and in my case everything she had against me was incredi-weaksauce.

no its not and thats really the only defense you have aside form "i'm not listening to you but talking over your head" because you know that you can't mis-rep me when you actually come @ me.

 

because like you said:

 

 

In general, I play mafia like the Spurs play basketball- I try and remove as many competitive disadvantages as possible. If your opponent has a harder time using meta against you, it's better in the long run (for both alignments- since that way scum can't try to lead a mislynch on you if you seem to be on your "scum meta")

 

 

you're not scum hunting, you're trying to remove your biggest competitors so you can lead the town over a cliff.

 

 

 

She had pointed out other things other people had done that legit looked much scummier, yet she kept clinging to her scum "reads" of me and Tommy

right, thats the multi-tasking thing i was talking about.

 

 

why again is multi-tasking in this game bad?

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

 

 

This is my favorite gif of all time.  Ever.  Had to quote it.

 

this is ironic cumming form the person that pleaded with the thread to not thunderdome with cory until lolcory went away and he took the AtE down a notch.

 

 

Red either wrote that intentionally or it was what her phone/computer autocorrected.  #personallifeinsights

 

I'm finally done. Hooray.

 

 

And now, what I'm sure everyone has been waiting for, my TL, DR case on Red:

 

1. Her nudging of Cory, saying his emo made her want to dig deeper but that she wouldn't- this does not jive with a town!Red mindset whatsoever

2. Her repeated and hardcore chainsaw defense of Lenlo, a known scummer

3. Her continuous misreps (she misrepped the crap out of Dap, Vos, and myself)

4. Her scumslip: "Despot is terribly wrong this game" - indicating she knows me to be town, yet is still pushing me as lockscum

5. Her setting up of two townies for competing trains yesterday (Tommy flipped town, and in my case it's subjective, but meh it's still true)

6. Her ridiculous and blatant hypocrisy while casing others- says I'm linking players, goes on to link players, says Vos is opportunistic, is more opportunistic with her scummy nudge on Cory

 

There's a lot more I'm sure, but eh I think those sum up the main points pretty well for me.

 

Red is LOCK SCUM yall.

 

The Lenlo stuff is not interesting to me at all.  Defending a silenced player is #standard.  The #4 "you're wrong" slip is a lot more compelling.  As for blatant hypocrisy, I've seen the exact same bad logic from both of you plenty of times so meh.  What really stands out here though is the cory stuff.  Those comments from Red were just off.