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[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

and yet having that info can be good for town as it can help stop mislynches

 

it allows at least me more info to clear people with.

 

Obviously there is a flip side as shown with Des.

Disagree. Catching scum > catching town.

 

First, I don't know how it stops mislynches if we are not convinced that you are town in the first place.

Second, the number of scum is much less than the number of town. So, catching scum is always better because town can afford some mislynches.

I agree(ish). To the first point, even if one town knows that one other is town - its beneficial. Could also claim (no claims are certain, but fake-claims are quickly found out).

 

So, if we were about to mislynch a town PR, then he could come and say "eyh! Town PR here! Lets look elsewhere!" without that player having to claim a specific role.

 

Other than that, I do agree it's not the best course of action. Killing scum is still better than protecting town PRs.

 

As I said earlier, we're gonna have to decide if he did a stupid thing or a scummy thing. While I can somewhat understand the action, I haven't been too fond of his defense.

 

Dice, what are your reads now?

I haven't looked at the possible roles list yet, but how would dice know the alignment of who visited him?

[csarmi]

Votecount 2.04

 

Thane: 1 - Despo

Hallia : 5 - AJ, Leelou, Thane, Vos, Dice

Dice: 1 - RTE

Pral: 1 - Hallia

Cory: 1 - Tina 

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Not Voting: Lazy, Cory, Pralaya, BFG, Verbal

 

Deadline Thursday 8 pm GMT - Day 2 Deadline

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

I'm suspicious of the people not voting me. I'm an easy lynch, as I've made myself. (No, I would not have really shot Tina, given the opportunity.) I'd say the people pushing hardest on me today are quite safely town, (IE AJ.) I'm most suspicious of RTE, as he is never afraid to vote me. I'm normally the one person he latches onto. Instead, he picks Dice over me, whose claim I do believe. And also regarding Pral, this from D1 was pretty suspicious.

 

 

 

Also, inb4 one of the townies says "So long and thanks for all the fish" in his Bah post..

 

There, you all lost your one creative reference idea.

It sounds, though a joke, like he is addressing townies as if he isn't one. That on top of the stalled lynch today make me confident he's scum

 

 

Vote Pral

You are suspiciouos of people not voting you? So you agree that you have played scummy? Why did you mention me out of the blue, especially since you didn´t mean to kill me?

 

 

 

 

Verb - no, you are not alone. Cory´s usual mantra is that town should show that they are town. He did not do that yesterday. In fact, I will go back to my vote on him.

 

[v] Cory [/v]

... I still don't really understand this, Tina.

 

In what way have I not "shown I was town"?

[Verbal32]

ISO on Verb done. Still not feeling too great about him either. Comes into the game cranky (claims its carryover from another game), focuses alot on Cory, then gets cranky again from the Des/Cory-fight (a cranky within a cranky - I'm afraid if I comment on this I'll end up in limbo). Soft-fos'es/nudges me for pointing out weekend inactivity. Nothing too tangible yet, but somewhere to keep our eyes.

 

This.....doesn't say anything.  Almost literally.  Nothing tangible yet.....then why even make the post?  To say something without actually saying something?  That I was cranky coming into the game has zero relevance on this game.  The bold almost sounds like you're doubting a claim of mine that has no impact on this game.  Why bother, then?  The weekend activity comment is another example of your M.O. this game - to post things that either have no relevance on the game, or say something without actually saying something.

 

 

 

 

I'm suspicious of the people not voting me.  I'm an easy lynch, as I've made myself.  (No, I would not have really shot Tina, given the opportunity.)  I'd say the people pushing hardest on me today are quite safely town, (IE AJ.)  I'm most suspicious of RTE, as he is never afraid to vote me.  I'm normally the one person he latches onto.  Instead, he picks Dice over me, whose claim I do believe.  And also regarding Pral, this from D1 was pretty suspicious.

 

 

Also, inb4 one of the townies says "So long and thanks for all the fish" in his Bah post..

 

There, you all lost your one creative reference idea. 

 

It sounds, though a joke, like he is addressing townies as if he isn't one.  That on top of the stalled lynch today make me confident he's scum

 

 

Vote Pral

 

This statement doesn't make sense to me.  If you are an easy lynch....and if you are town, wouldn't you be more suspicious of the people ON your lynch, as they are likely trying to push the easy mislynch?

 

 

 

 

 

 

and yet having that info can be good for town as it can help stop mislynches

 

it allows at least me more info to clear people with.

 

Obviously there is a flip side as shown with Des.

 

Disagree. Catching scum > catching town.

 

First, I don't know how it stops mislynches if we are not convinced that you are town in the first place.

Second, the number of scum is much less than the number of town. So, catching scum is always better because town can afford some mislynches.

 

 

I agree(ish). To the first point, even if one town knows that one other is town - its beneficial. Could also claim (no claims are certain, but fake-claims are quickly found out). 

 

So, if we were about to mislynch a town PR, then he could come and say "eyh! Town PR here! Lets look elsewhere!" without that player having to claim a specific role. 

 

Other than that, I do agree it's not the best course of action. Killing scum is still better than protecting town PRs. 

 

As I said earlier, we're gonna have to decide if he did a stupid thing or a scummy thing. While I can somewhat understand the action, I haven't been too fond of his defense. 

 

Dice, what are your reads now?

 

 

This does not help.  Mafia would still know that there is a probably PR to shoot at in this case.  They don't specifically care which PR, as long as they can identify/kill them.  (not counting a self-protecting Doc, of course)

 

This post smacks of trying to join into the conversation and say something reasonable.....but actually ends up not being reasonable at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and yet having that info can be good for town as it can help stop mislynches

 

it allows at least me more info to clear people with.

 

Obviously there is a flip side as shown with Des.

Disagree. Catching scum > catching town.

 

First, I don't know how it stops mislynches if we are not convinced that you are town in the first place.

Second, the number of scum is much less than the number of town. So, catching scum is always better because town can afford some mislynches.

I agree(ish). To the first point, even if one town knows that one other is town - its beneficial. Could also claim (no claims are certain, but fake-claims are quickly found out).

 

So, if we were about to mislynch a town PR, then he could come and say "eyh! Town PR here! Lets look elsewhere!" without that player having to claim a specific role.

 

Other than that, I do agree it's not the best course of action. Killing scum is still better than protecting town PRs.

 

As I said earlier, we're gonna have to decide if he did a stupid thing or a scummy thing. While I can somewhat understand the action, I haven't been too fond of his defense.

 

Dice, what are your reads now?

I haven't looked at the possible roles list yet, but how would dice know the alignment of who visited him?

 

 

Exactly - you beat me to it.

[nervositee]

 

 

 

and yet having that info can be good for town as it can help stop mislynches

 

it allows at least me more info to clear people with.

 

Obviously there is a flip side as shown with Des.

Disagree. Catching scum > catching town.

 

First, I don't know how it stops mislynches if we are not convinced that you are town in the first place.

Second, the number of scum is much less than the number of town. So, catching scum is always better because town can afford some mislynches.

I agree(ish). To the first point, even if one town knows that one other is town - its beneficial. Could also claim (no claims are certain, but fake-claims are quickly found out).

 

So, if we were about to mislynch a town PR, then he could come and say "eyh! Town PR here! Lets look elsewhere!" without that player having to claim a specific role.

 

Other than that, I do agree it's not the best course of action. Killing scum is still better than protecting town PRs.

 

As I said earlier, we're gonna have to decide if he did a stupid thing or a scummy thing. While I can somewhat understand the action, I haven't been too fond of his defense.

 

Dice, what are your reads now?

I haven't looked at the possible roles list yet, but how would dice know the alignment of who visited him?

 

 

If he isn't blocked or killed, it would be safe to assume town? Or am I missing some important scum role?

[Verbal32]

Votecount 2.04

 

Thane: 1 - Despo

Hallia : 5 - AJ, Leelou, Thane, Vos, Dice

Dice: 1 - RTE

Pral: 1 - Hallia

Cory: 1 - Tina 

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

 

Not Voting: Lazy, Cory, Pralaya, BFG, Verbal

 

Deadline Thursday 8 pm GMT - Day 2 Deadline

 

Hallia's train, including herself, has most FOSed players of this game.  It might make sense to finish this lynch and use it to identify some top scum suspects.  If she flips town, there is absolutely more than 1 scum on this lynch at this moment.

 

Thoughts?

[Verbal32]

If he isn't blocked or killed, it would be safe to assume town? Or am I missing some important scum role?

 

??

 

I don't understand what you're saying here.  Scum can't block/kill every town role every night.  They are shooting blind as well until somebody puts info in the thread.  Leelou's question stands - how would you know if it was town or scum?

[nervositee]

 

ISO on Verb done. Still not feeling too great about him either. Comes into the game cranky (claims its carryover from another game), focuses alot on Cory, then gets cranky again from the Des/Cory-fight (a cranky within a cranky - I'm afraid if I comment on this I'll end up in limbo). Soft-fos'es/nudges me for pointing out weekend inactivity. Nothing too tangible yet, but somewhere to keep our eyes.

 

This.....doesn't say anything.  Almost literally.  Nothing tangible yet.....then why even make the post?  To say something without actually saying something?  That I was cranky coming into the game has zero relevance on this game.  The bold almost sounds like you're doubting a claim of mine that has no impact on this game.  Why bother, then?  The weekend activity comment is another example of your M.O. this game - to post things that either have no relevance on the game, or say something without actually saying something.

 

 

 

Well, the main reason I posted it was to follow up my stated intention to ISO you. I said I would, I did and thus reported, even if looking through your post I didn't find much tangible either way. Re: the bold part was just how I phrased it. I don't doubt it. 

[nervositee]

 

If he isn't blocked or killed, it would be safe to assume town? Or am I missing some important scum role?

 

??

 

I don't understand what you're saying here.  Scum can't block/kill every town role every night.  They are shooting blind as well until somebody puts info in the thread.  Leelou's question stands - how would you know if it was town or scum?

 

 

Ok, so here is my train of thought, correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

Dice watches himself to see who visits him. If he is visited by you and nothing "bad happens", it would be safe to assume you were a town PR. If he was blocked or killed he would... assume it was scum (but unable to tell anyone). 

 

So, by watching himself, he searches for town PRs to clear. 

 

This is assuming I haven't missed some mafia PR that won't give a direct effect(?). 

 

And I agree scum would try to kill a outed town PR regardless, but at least it creates a bit more confusion for them, and avoids fake-CCs. 

[Leelou]

 

 

If he isn't blocked or killed, it would be safe to assume town? Or am I missing some important scum role?

 

??

 

I don't understand what you're saying here.  Scum can't block/kill every town role every night.  They are shooting blind as well until somebody puts info in the thread.  Leelou's question stands - how would you know if it was town or scum?

 

 

Ok, so here is my train of thought, correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

Dice watches himself to see who visits him. If he is visited by you and nothing "bad happens", it would be safe to assume you were a town PR. If he was blocked or killed he would... assume it was scum (but unable to tell anyone). 

 

So, by watching himself, he searches for town PRs to clear. 

 

This is assuming I haven't missed some mafia PR that won't give a direct effect(?). 

 

And I agree scum would try to kill a outed town PR regardless, but at least it creates a bit more confusion for them, and avoids fake-CCs. 

 

 

Lets say hypothetically Des is a scum tracker. Would anything bad happen to Dice? 

[Hallia]

I tend to disagree Verb. I intentionally have been playing as scummy as I knew how, because I know how most people as scum tend to interact with me. They tend to let town make the initial cases and push me, wait til a couple of townies join in, and then consolidate, then when I flip they're like "oh, that's just how Hally normally plays"

 

So I'm not super suspicious of the people on me ATM, but I'm very suspicious of the people ignoring me/saying its null. And now also you.

[nervositee]

Lets say hypothetically Des is a scum tracker. Would anything bad happen to Dice? 

 

 

 

Ah, therein lies the flaw. Ok, then we are certainly back to if Dice just did a really stupid thing or is wolf. 

[Verbal32]

... I still don't really understand this, Tina.

In what way have I not "shown I was town"?

 

See below - 2 posts from Clov (who knows you best) that describe his thoughts on what you had been doing.  I agree 100% with them.  I've bolded & made red the specific parts I'd like to call attention to.

 

 

 

 

i don't think i really even have the heart to fight it, though

 

i mean, this is how i play. des got me mad and i guess being mad makes me scum despite the fact that i've tried my ass off to get things right this game and nothing else.

 

i hope at least some of you will feel bad when i flip for how bad you are. why is tina voting me?

 

des, this is probably a pretty big moment for us. even in BB TomRay eventually figured it out, but you didn't.

 

but you will be you i guess

I won't feel bad if you're the lynch and you flip town, because you've had more than enough time to get votes off you. I begged and pleaded with you yesterday to show me your townness, after pointing out how stupid I thought your thunderdome idea was. I don't remember you casing a single person besides Despot over the past 36 hours - if you have, you certainly haven't done it with the fervor I would otherwise expect. You said you were looking towards lynching scum Day 1 when I asked....you continued to go at Des. I've been reading him as town, and apparently you have too.

 

That's not scumhunting. That is, very much, taking your ball and going home.

 

You want to question's Tina vote? Her reasoning is in the thread. Do you think it's wrong? Stupid? Scummy? Is she now scum because of it, when she was lock clear town for most of the phase?

 

 

lynching me would be really, really, really, really dumb.

Unvote.

 

Members of the mafia typically point out how good their lynch is.

 

[v]Cory[/v]

 

Whatever. I tried pretty hard and was super and I don't know if the narrative on me is scum-led or a bunch of idiots, but I've lost my clout for this game anyway and I'm not really motivated.

 

Let's just get it over with, gl

 

Or it's people that are also trying, and you've been fighting every step of the way. If this was Monk, Gary, Footy, Logan, or a dozen other people acting this way you'd be drilling them into the ground over how they're doing nothing but making themselves look bad for awful AtE defenses without a single positive contribution. Where is your contribution?

 

 

What makes you think Despot has the highest likeliness of being scum, Cory? If you could specifically point out why his likeliness far exceeds that of Lazy, Hallia, and Pray that would be cool too. :)

I don't, I think Des is probably a villager after last night

 

Oh, it was leaving your vote on somebody you thought was town near EOD and then lynching yourself.

 

 

 

 

Well sorry, but deal with it. This is why the #alliance is silly. I understand we have different play styles, but seriously if someone thinks someone is scum everyone is fair game day 1. Sorry if you aren't used to pressure right away, but it's the way of the game.

You have literally no idea what you are talking about

 

My words for Des are for Des and unless he's the day's best lynch the thunderdome was clear hyperbole

 

Don't tell me how to play period

 

 

 

[v]Despothera[/v]

 

This is a thunderdome.

 

This is not a drill.

 

You can have a head start.

 

We are lynching from Me/Des today.

Seriously, get your case.

Get everything together, because I AM NOT KIDDING AROUND.

No. You don't get to make statements like the bold when you put something like that in the thread. You have no ground to stand on with your claim that you weren't serious when made it quite clear you WERE serious at the time. You don't get to have it both ways.

 

I almost hate to do this, but I'll drive this.

 

[v]Unvote[/v] on Dice

[v]Cory[/v]

 

I think you through the challenge out there because you didn't think anybody would have the balls to pull your card on it. Now that you see it's gone over nowhere nearly as well as you hoped, you're making excuses. I can't let that slide.

 

 

@Cory - you mentioned me sniping at you re: Clov being dead.  These were the posts from him that I have not been able to get out of my head.

[Verbal32]

 

 

ISO on Verb done. Still not feeling too great about him either. Comes into the game cranky (claims its carryover from another game), focuses alot on Cory, then gets cranky again from the Des/Cory-fight (a cranky within a cranky - I'm afraid if I comment on this I'll end up in limbo). Soft-fos'es/nudges me for pointing out weekend inactivity. Nothing too tangible yet, but somewhere to keep our eyes.

 

This.....doesn't say anything.  Almost literally.  Nothing tangible yet.....then why even make the post?  To say something without actually saying something?  That I was cranky coming into the game has zero relevance on this game.  The bold almost sounds like you're doubting a claim of mine that has no impact on this game.  Why bother, then?  The weekend activity comment is another example of your M.O. this game - to post things that either have no relevance on the game, or say something without actually saying something.

 

 

 

Well, the main reason I posted it was to follow up my stated intention to ISO you. I said I would, I did and thus reported, even if looking through your post I didn't find much tangible either way. Re: the bold part was just how I phrased it. I don't doubt it. 

 

 

Sounds more like you wanted to try and find scummy stuff about me to case, found nothing, and then decided to go with the above.  Your post wants to keep suspicion on me, and offers no possible avenue for me to be town.  It is a FoS with an agenda, basically.  No bueno.

 

 

 

 

I tend to disagree Verb. I intentionally have been playing as scummy as I knew how, because I know how most people as scum tend to interact with me. They tend to let town make the initial cases and push me, wait til a couple of townies join in, and then consolidate, then when I flip they're like "oh, that's just how Hally normally plays"

 

So I'm not super suspicious of the people on me ATM, but I'm very suspicious of the people ignoring me/saying its null. And now also you.

 

Saw that one coming, hehe.

 

You already have a train.....based on your reasoning, why aren't you suspicious of those last few voters on you right now?  You can't be just thinking the final few votes are the scum, right?  What about those middle votes that keep momentum going?  Any thoughts on those?

[Cory Caboose]

Clov's paranoia is Clov's paranoia.

 

I guess this will be the narrative for me for the entire game, so cool cool cool.

 

I'll probably post more about later.

[Pralaya]

I tend to disagree Verb. I intentionally have been playing as scummy as I knew how, because I know how most people as scum tend to interact with me. They tend to let town make the initial cases and push me, wait til a couple of townies join in, and then consolidate, then when I flip they're like "oh, that's just how Hally normally plays"

 

So I'm not super suspicious of the people on me ATM, but I'm very suspicious of the people ignoring me/saying its null. And now also you.

 

But didn't you say earlier that the one making the case and pushing you (AJ) is town?

[Hallia]

Yes, and if you read that Pral it says scum is happy to let TOWN. Make initial case and push, hence AJ.

 

 

Verb, there's probably one in there, but I think the majority is off for now.

[Pralaya]

Ok, I misunderstood that

[Verbal32]

Clov's paranoia is Clov's paranoia.

 

I guess this will be the narrative for me for the entire game, so cool cool cool.

 

I'll probably post more about later.

It isn't just Clov, though. He was just better than me at expressing it to you, prob due to his knowledge of your style being much greater and in depth than my knowledge of your style.

 

So yes, this will be the thing with you for this game. You've been more pro-town since, so that's good.

 

Also, I'm curious to where Des is with you now.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm wondering where Des is in general.....

[Thane Vakarian]

no worries, i'm still around, reading my notifications, checking the thread as i go. It's just the last day to organise stuff for the MedievalTournament and i have half a ton of things to check and take care of. Plus, tomorrow is my birthday, so i doubt i'll be online much.

[Leelou]

Well, I'm done with most training today, but then I have meetings on Thursday and Friday. So might be around in the afternoons tomorrow and Friday. 

[Cory Caboose]

So yes, this will be the thing with you for this game. You've been more pro-town since, so that's good.

I have yet to do a thing this game that wasn't pro-town, whether you can see it or not.

 

I think some people misunderstood, I'll elaborate more on the Des thing when I am home from work, but I do not have you in that group of potential misunderstanders, as you've had little-to-no interest in actually discerning my alignment and you are basically just sheeping the thoughts of a dead (and irt to me, wrong) townie.

 

I have one goal: find and lynch Mafia. I will do anything I need to get there. Stand in my way at your own peril.

[Verbal32]

 

So yes, this will be the thing with you for this game. You've been more pro-town since, so that's good.

I have yet to do a thing this game that wasn't pro-town, whether you can see it or not.

 

I think some people misunderstood, I'll elaborate more on the Des thing when I am home from work, but I do not have you in that group of potential misunderstanders, as you've had little-to-no interest in actually discerning my alignment and you are basically just sheeping the thoughts of a dead (and irt to me, wrong) townie.

 

I have one goal: find and lynch Mafia. I will do anything I need to get there. Stand in my way at your own peril.

 

 

Orly?  I was harassing you well before Clov ever did, so let's put that one to rest now.  I've been trying to figure out your alignment from the very beginning.  I was initially suspicious that Clov was feeding on that and was making those points against you in an effort to further my (and a few others') beliefs re: your play this game.  Now that he's confirmed town, it has indeed made me rethink where I was at on you.

 

You've since been playing pro-town, so don't undo all that with idle threats.  That's just silly talk.

[nervositee]

 

 

 

ISO on Verb done. Still not feeling too great about him either. Comes into the game cranky (claims its carryover from another game), focuses alot on Cory, then gets cranky again from the Des/Cory-fight (a cranky within a cranky - I'm afraid if I comment on this I'll end up in limbo). Soft-fos'es/nudges me for pointing out weekend inactivity. Nothing too tangible yet, but somewhere to keep our eyes.

 

This.....doesn't say anything.  Almost literally.  Nothing tangible yet.....then why even make the post?  To say something without actually saying something?  That I was cranky coming into the game has zero relevance on this game.  The bold almost sounds like you're doubting a claim of mine that has no impact on this game.  Why bother, then?  The weekend activity comment is another example of your M.O. this game - to post things that either have no relevance on the game, or say something without actually saying something.

 

 

 

Well, the main reason I posted it was to follow up my stated intention to ISO you. I said I would, I did and thus reported, even if looking through your post I didn't find much tangible either way. Re: the bold part was just how I phrased it. I don't doubt it. 

 

 

Sounds more like you wanted to try and find scummy stuff about me to case, found nothing, and then decided to go with the above.  Your post wants to keep suspicion on me, and offers no possible avenue for me to be town.  It is a FoS with an agenda, basically.  No bueno.

 

 

Where did you get agenda from? 

 

I ISOed you and didn't find much tangible either way. Even now you are playing with other peoples read. Which is fine, but it means that from your posts - the main thing I can discern is tone. So I based it off tone. Which I find strange. But not enough to go on for now, hence my conclusion above.