[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Cory Caboose]

 

I can't really reiterate how terrible that post looks after really sinking into it

 

AJ do you think I'm going crazy here irt Des? I don't think I'm going crazy

 

No, you're not crazy.

 

I also think we both know that Despot does a lot of what he calls others out on - while it doesn't make him look awesome I wouldn't point to it as a surefire way of pegging him as mafia the majority of the time.

 

 

That's fair, some of it may be that I'm not used to being the subject of it.

[Andrej]

 

Cory - do you think Clov is coming from a good place with his case?

 

I think he's coming from a pro-town mindset and might just be paranoid. It at least makes sense for him to make the arguments he's been making, unlike Des

 

I need to keep going on my reread before I really elaborate on Clov

 

Word.

 

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily suspicious of him atm, just cautiously curious. I don't know him as a player but I can follow most of his arguments.

[Cory Caboose]

IIRC Leelou was pretty confident Hallia was a villager for reasons I didn't quite get some time back but Leelou has more experience with her than I do

 

Has your mind changed at all? I remember some posts that bothered me a few back

[Leelou]

 

Also, Hallia is the easiest lynch to push in almost any game because this is how she is. Any other options? 

 

I actually don't see Hallia get lynched that often.

 

She's pretty good at avoiding the rope, as either alignment.

 

 

Right, but it's pretty obvious people are questioning her this game. He's still basically going with the flow of the game. First he jumped on my train, I believe he was the 4th vote and Hallia has been brought up a lot this game. It's a safe lynch because if he's wrong, he can just say oops, she was playing how she always plays. I would like to see some actual original thoughts from him. 

 

Without his claim, would you still think Dice is town? I can move on, I think Pral is a viable option for today. 

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

Cory - do you think Clov is coming from a good place with his case?

 

I think he's coming from a pro-town mindset and might just be paranoid. It at least makes sense for him to make the arguments he's been making, unlike Des

 

I need to keep going on my reread before I really elaborate on Clov

 

Word.

 

I wouldn't say I'm necessarily suspicious of him atm, just cautiously curious. I don't know him as a player but I can follow most of his arguments.

 

 

"cautiously curious" is basically perfect terminology for how to approach Clov

 

He's in the Tommy-tier of players that can fool the crap out of me because he is crazy consistent and makes very good points in either role. That being said I have been reading him pretty well lately, so going all in babeh

[Leelou]

IIRC Leelou was pretty confident Hallia was a villager for reasons I didn't quite get some time back but Leelou has more experience with her than I do

 

Has your mind changed at all? I remember some posts that bothered me a few back

 

If she can't produce any reads soon, then yes, it will change. But I do have tons of experience with Hallia. I've pushed for her lynch numerous times when I was scum because she really is an easy scapegoat since she doesn't have the most confidence to actually get her thought process across in a game. She's getting better, but still has to be coaxed. I've mentored her and hydra'd with her, so if I can see her reads I'll be knowing where she is coming from. 

[Andrej]

 

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

 

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P

So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

 

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing?  Besides, I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

 

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually managed to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

 

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town!  (And pretty town too )

 

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

 

Looks like I'm mafia again 

 

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

 

I think this is the one post that bothers me the most from Hallia this game.

 

I don't really follow her reasoning for voting Mish here, nor do I see how the statement she made makes her scummy - not to mention the vote kind of comes out of flow with the rest of the post where she is bantering back and forth with Nyn/Cory.

 

This came after Leelou had swapped to Mish from Despo as well.

[Cory Caboose]

Leelou if I snapped at you earlier today I apologize

 

I've had a super stressful work week and that stuff can bleed into my play, I never mean to personally antagonize people (and I wouldn't say I personally antagonized Des, I'm just trying to figure out his alignment) but I got pretty irate at the follow-through from it and might have have crossed the line of the veneer of the game itself and I don't know you well enough to do something like that so

 

my b

 

[Leelou]

Leelou if I snapped at you earlier today I apologize

 

I've had a super stressful work week and that stuff can bleed into my play, I never mean to personally antagonize people (and I wouldn't say I personally antagonized Des, I'm just trying to figure out his alignment) but I got pretty irate at the follow-through from it and might have have crossed the line of the veneer of the game itself and I don't know you well enough to do something like that so

 

my b

 

 

It's all good. 

[Andrej]

 

 

Also, Hallia is the easiest lynch to push in almost any game because this is how she is. Any other options? 

 

I actually don't see Hallia get lynched that often.

 

She's pretty good at avoiding the rope, as either alignment.

 

 

Right, but it's pretty obvious people are questioning her this game. He's still basically going with the flow of the game. First he jumped on my train, I believe he was the 4th vote and Hallia has been brought up a lot this game. It's a safe lynch because if he's wrong, he can just say oops, she was playing how she always plays. I would like to see some actual original thoughts from him. 

 

Without his claim, would you still think Dice is town? I can move on, I think Pral is a viable option for today. 

 

That's pretty fair - I can see where you're coming from. I do think Hallia is deserving of some pressure here - if not D1 lynch worthy.

 

To answer, yes, I do think he is town. I don't really think he was given much chance to show it either. He stacked up to L-2 pretty damn quickly. I've recently been able to sort of discern Dice's alignment much better than I could in the past - part of it is seeing him as both alignments in varying scenarios (scum/scum with me in the Clash of Ancients game, and then watching him as both a townie in the RW dead thread and as mafia in the Godzilla game where he was town). He locks onto something as a townie and doesn't really let go easily - despite popular opinion that may be contrary.

[Andrej]

Movie night with the missus.

 

So I'm off for a bit.

 

Tomorrow is my first day of training at the YMCA - not sure how late it will run but I'll try to check the thread when I can. If anything, I'll be back later tonight before I crash. We need to start narrowing it down to our final picks, DL is like 16 hours away unless I'm mistaken.

[Cory Caboose]

Deadline is Saturday night @ 9 (so ~22 hours), but it'll be DM weekend so we might not get a lot of people around for EOD 

[hazelkrs1]

Yo. I love it when the mafia board will arbitrarily decide that I've already caught up on all threads when I haven't, necessitating some backtracking

 

[Cory Caboose]

Sup Des

[hazelkrs1]

Sup Cory. Trying to fix my browser, chrome is acting up again. Hopefully uninstalling and reinstalling should do the trick

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Also, Hallia is the easiest lynch to push in almost any game because this is how she is. Any other options? 

 

I actually don't see Hallia get lynched that often.

 

She's pretty good at avoiding the rope, as either alignment.

 

 

Right, but it's pretty obvious people are questioning her this game. He's still basically going with the flow of the game. First he jumped on my train, I believe he was the 4th vote and Hallia has been brought up a lot this game. It's a safe lynch because if he's wrong, he can just say oops, she was playing how she always plays. I would like to see some actual original thoughts from him. 

 

Without his claim, would you still think Dice is town? I can move on, I think Pral is a viable option for today. 

 

That's pretty fair - I can see where you're coming from. I do think Hallia is deserving of some pressure here - if not D1 lynch worthy.

 

To answer, yes, I do think he is town. I don't really think he was given much chance to show it either. He stacked up to L-2 pretty damn quickly. I've recently been able to sort of discern Dice's alignment much better than I could in the past - part of it is seeing him as both alignments in varying scenarios (scum/scum with me in the Clash of Ancients game, and then watching him as both a townie in the RW dead thread and as mafia in the Godzilla game where he was town). He locks onto something as a townie and doesn't really let go easily - despite popular opinion that may be contrary.

 

 

Bold is a valid concern, though I have no idea where you're coming from in regards to him having much chance to show he's town.  I don't see why he hasn't had the same opportunity the rest of us have had, and I know I've been trying to get him to show a thought process I can get behind (hence all of my follow up questions with his Leelou case).  He didn't seem particularly interested in really giving us a whole lot to work with.

 

With all of that said, I'd appreciate it if you ranked the following players from most likely to be scum to least likely - me, Thane, Despot, Nyn, Leelou, RTE, and Tina. 

[hazelkrs1]

Holy frackin emorage Batman what happened to you Cory???

 

[Clovdyx]

If everybody that is opposed to voting Dice/think he's likely town - especially if you were of that opinion before he claimed - could rank those, I'd appreciate it.

[Cory Caboose]

Holy frackin emorage Batman what happened to you Cory???

 

 

Be thankful you are not LoganAura

[Cory Caboose]

but in all honesty what i need from you is to read

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/page-55?do=findComment&comment=3256071

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/page-55?do=findComment&comment=3256077

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/page-55?do=findComment&comment=3256081

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/page-55?do=findComment&comment=3256090

 

because this is where I am at with you and I would like to flesh this out further

[hazelkrs1]

Alright I'm caught up. Since you're still up Cory, I'll hash out our stuff first. Don't feel like doing a wot since that will take a lot longer, so will just respond one at a time, feel free to respond to stuff I say as I respond to the rest

 

Okay first- to address your emorage in general. No, I haven't ever seen you emorage as scum, and I'm not sure where you got that I ever implied that emoraging or acting frustrated was a scumtell for you.

 

However.

 

What worries me is how much you've been referencing how emotional you are, and even subtly including things that make it seem like you're more likely to emorage as town (saying you have more self-control as scum, etc)- I've heard you in the past say how you will gladly take the thread off an emotional cliff just to bounce back on your feet while everyone sobs in the fetal position as scum. I nodded my head at that, as I too am fairly good at AtEing as scum, and I'm emotional enough as town to make it seem believable.

 

So I don't really think you should be using your overreaction as any kind of indicator of alignment. That worries me. You haven't done it a ton, but it wouldn't be overt if you were scum, you'd be subtle about it.

 

Second, an a meta or outside the game level- if you're town and the emorage was sincere, I genuinely do not understand where it came from. In my last post directed at you, after you declared the thunderdome, I tried to be as reasonable as possible, and explain to you why I had suspicions on you this game. I just don't think anything I did this game in any way warranted that reaction. Obv you know I respect you a lot as a player, and in fact one of the reasons I get along with you so well is because your game is so similar to mine- you use logic a ton but ALSO use your own emotions to help supply your WIM for games. That plus the braggadocio is why I you so much in mafia.

 

So yeah fo realz- I'm not mafia, it wasn't a ploy to get you off your game, and I don't understand why you reacted the way you did. In Blood Bowl, your reaction didn't necessarily seem appropriate, but I also kinda understood WHY you reacted the way you did- Tommy WAS being kinda antagonistic to you. I've thrown a couple little jabs your way, but they were meant to be received with love. I haven't thrown any jabs when I seriously laid out my thoughts on you.

[Andrej]

@FishDyx - I meant with his general activity level. He was also piled onto pretty quickly once you cased him and has been in perma catch up mode, at least as far as what he says. I think maybe he had 1-2 posts from the time you started his wagon to the time he claimed at L-2. As far as his thought process goes, you'll see with time that Dice isn't the best at getting his views across (not knocking you here Dice). He's pretty commonly see as scummy and used as lynch bait when town. He is also fairly obvious when he is scum - but that's me relying on meta.

 

The players you named look like his wagon prior to his claim, so I'll be judging them by way of their votes and reasoning.

 

Of those I think RTE and Thane look the worst for their participation. Tina's vote came late but she had also previously voiced favor in voting him so that's fairly consistent. Nyn joined the wagon shortly after you did iirc stating that she didn't find Mish scummy and basically chose him over her. She's already kind of low on my list so this doesn't really help her much. I don't exactly remember Despo's or Leelou's statements irt Dice but of the two I think Despo's vote was kind of weak since he was basically letting Leelou off the hook.

 

So top down:

 

FishDyx

Tina

Leelou/Despot

Nyn

Thane

RTE

 

The last 3 are pretty interchangeable.

[hazelkrs1]

Something I forgot to mention-

 

Cory, I don't know how you expect us to receive that Arthur Dent claim, along with you saying you'll pretty much never role claim. I mean... wth dude? Obv you'd know that claiming a major character as town will likely make mafia wanna NK you anyways in the chance that you are roled, and fake claiming a major character would just be dumdum as town. So I don't follow at all why'd youd character claim like that so quickly, yet act adamant about not role-claiming, when the role-claim would likely get attention off you from townies quicker than a character claim (any game where character claims are allowed I expect the mod to hand out fake claims, so in other words I completely disregard any character claims I see).

 

I'm kinda worried that Clov might have made an excellent point, about how you character claimed quickly in the WWE game but didn't role claim (when you we're scum)

[hazelkrs1]

Also comparing me to geript was pretty shitty and completely off the mark. Show me one post I've made this game that had even a SMIDGEON of the shitposting he became infamous for.

[Cory Caboose]

Alright I'm caught up. Since you're still up Cory, I'll hash out our stuff first. Don't feel like doing a wot since that will take a lot longer, so will just respond one at a time, feel free to respond to stuff I say as I respond to the rest

 

Okay first- to address your emorage in general. No, I haven't ever seen you emorage as scum, and I'm not sure where you got that I ever implied that emoraging or acting frustrated was a scumtell for you.

 

However.

 

What worries me is how much you've been referencing how emotional you are, and even subtly including things that make it seem like you're more likely to emorage as town (saying you have more self-control as scum, etc)- I've heard you in the past say how you will gladly take the thread off an emotional cliff just to bounce back on your feet while everyone sobs in the fetal position as scum. I nodded my head at that, as I too am fairly good at AtEing as scum, and I'm emotional enough as town to make it seem believable.

 

So I don't really think you should be using your overreaction as any kind of indicator of alignment. That worries me. You haven't done it a ton, but it wouldn't be overt if you were scum, you'd be subtle about it.

 

Second, an a meta or outside the game level- if you're town and the emorage was sincere, I genuinely do not understand where it came from. In my last post directed at you, after you declared the thunderdome, I tried to be as reasonable as possible, and explain to you why I had suspicions on you this game. I just don't think anything I did this game in any way warranted that reaction. Obv you know I respect you a lot as a player, and in fact one of the reasons I get along with you so well is because your game is so similar to mine- you use logic a ton but ALSO use your own emotions to help supply your WIM for games. That plus the braggadocio is why I you so much in mafia.

 

So yeah fo realz- I'm not mafia, it wasn't a ploy to get you off your game, and I don't understand why you reacted the way you did. In Blood Bowl, your reaction didn't necessarily seem appropriate, but I also kinda understood WHY you reacted the way you did- Tommy WAS being kinda antagonistic to you. I've thrown a couple little jabs your way, but they were meant to be received with love. I haven't thrown any jabs when I seriously laid out my thoughts on you.

 

Most of my meta stuff was really more in response to Clov, but I did not understand the "at least your frustration seems genuine" opener to your quote... but okay. Me describing my meta is transparency and nothing else. If you want to understand that part better you will when you get to me/Clov the last handful of pages.

 

I thought I was thoroughly misrepresented by your WoT several times over and it pissed me off because you know I prefer to lead (and I think as town I am a fair and reasonable leader) and when people try to sink my clout/discredit me, well, I get displeased. See Geript in the VS game, see a million other examples... but I get that some times you sort of do that and I am fine just wiping the slate clean (or cleaner than it is) for now.

 

Make zero mistake: I am here to lynch Mafia. I'm on page 20 of my reread. My loins ache to lynch Mafia, today, and then curbstomp their whole team so far back into their scumskulls that their QT is just a series of animated gifs of crying adults.

 

I have felt that most of this game you have been working against me despite the fact that we have been parallel on a lot of things. I don't like being worked against in general, but you should understand that when it's coming from you in particular it's more bothersome than most