[Advanced/Experimental] No Roles Disney Game - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Lenlo]

If character claims are so pro-town and anti-scum, why haven't you claimed yet, Darthe?

He did. Archimedes from Sword in the Stone I believe.

[WWWwombat]

Oh I had that mixed up with Hallia for a second for some reason.

[WWWwombat]

[unvote]

[WWWwombat]

Still don't like Darthe's argument, but it's a bit more internally consistent now.

[Pralaya]

FoS Darthe & Pralaya for defending AJ that easily.

 

Eh? i addressed the WIFOM issue too and according to me, I don't think it is worth the risk. I agree with your thing about points though, something i didn't think about. 

[Pralaya]

You should catch up then to the point where Wombat and I agree that claims are null and get to Gameplay. Being caught up is great isnt it?

 

 

Yep, I came to this page now, heh. Cheers. 

[LilyElizabeth]

@Mod will it be announced when items are purchased?

No

[LilyElizabeth]

Vote count:

Leelou (1) - Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - Verb, Leelou, Krak

Hallia (2) - AJ, Darthe

Vos (1) Mish

 

Not voting - Kaylee, TGlems, Alanna, Hallia, Pralaya, Amega, Lia, Vos

No deadline yet

[LilyElizabeth]

By the way, I can't stress this enough. Multiquoting and long posts are hurting your points gains. Those of you who have figured this out and are posting more, smaller posts are racking up the points. Some of you already have enough to buy something with. It's going to be a fun night 1. Mwahahaha!

[Lenlo]

By the way, I can't stress this enough. Multiquoting and long posts are hurting your points gains. Those of you who have figured this out and are posting more, smaller posts are racking up the points. Some of you already have enough to buy something with. It's going to be a fun night 1. Mwahahaha!

Again, this is me right? Just nod your head alittle if so.

[Andrej]

 

Womby - what point were you making with the bolded quote? Shit or get off the pot bro.

 

Really dude?  It's pretty easy to see the point I'm making.

 

Darthe says:

 

1.  AJ is obvtown for his move

2.  There is no scum incentive for AJ's move.

 

 

You see the contradiction there, right?

 

No - I think they line up pretty well actually.

 

There is no scum incentive for AJ's move -> AJ is obvtown.

 

Your differing opinion is what causes the contradiction, not Darthe's thought process.

 

 

 

 

Let's get down to business

To defeat the Scum.

Did they send me derptown

When I asked for GOATs?

 

You're the saddest bunch I ever met

But you can bet before we're through

Mister, I'll make a GOAT

Out of you.

 

Tranquil as a forest

But on fire within.

Once you find your center

You are sure to win.

 

You're a spineless, pale pathetic lot

And you haven't got a clue.

Somehow I'll make a GOAT

Out of you.

 

...

 

[town] BE THE GOAT

We must be swift as a coursing river

[town] BE THE GOAT

With all the force of a great typhoon

[town] BE THE GOAT

With all the strength of a raging fire

Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

 

Time is racing toward us

'til the scum arrive.

Heed my every order

And you might survive.

 

You're unsuited for the rage of mafia

So pack up, go home you're through

How could I make a GOAT

Out of you?

 

[everyone]BE THE GOAT

We must be swift as a coursing river

BE THE GOAT

With all the force of a great typhoon

BE THE GOAT

With all the strength of a raging fire

Mysterious as the dark side of the moon

Hoo-ah!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Id figure in a no role game though, with nothing to set people apart, if one person was going to get a main char we all would have. Afterall theres plenty of chars to go around.

 

I have a main character, so no.

 

Who is it? Cause until you claim it I have little reason to believe you. If its a main character like Wombys, a bad main character, than I want to know.

 

My name is in the title of my movie. That's how important I am!

 

Why so desperate to know who I am, Len? Trying to figure out wich claims are safe to use as fakeclaims?

 

I'm not investing a ton of value in this, but these are some of the reactions I was hoping to generate with the claiming thing. Here Mish hints that she is an important character because the movie is titled after her - but I can think of 3 different movies off the top of my head in which the main character's name is also the title. This enables her to hint at being a major character without necessarily hard claiming one - in other words it gives her leeway for later on. I also dislike the tone in the counter-accusatory way she addresses Lenlo.

 

FOS.

[Andrej]

Gonna break up the WoT I was working on seeing Lily's last statement lol

 

MOAR POINTS

[Lenlo]

Gonna break up the WoT I was working on seeing Lily's last statement lol

 

MOAR POINTS

Share the love AJ. We believe in communism here.

[Andrej]

 

I don't underestimate it in the slightest.  That being said, claiming one of the seven dwarves would be a lower risk than claiming Snow White, n'est-ce pas?

 

Would it though? One of the seven Dwarves would get scrutiny as being an easy claim while Snow White would, possibly, be assumed to be in a Disney game. Then your just taking the shot that shes not if you fakeclaim it.

 

Theres also the fact that we dont know what kinda of characters are scum, if theres a theme there at all. For instance your claim. Gaston is the bad guy in his movie. The villain. And yet you say your town. Until we know if theres a theme for the whos town/scum character claims are null imo.

 

I agree with Lenlo here in regards to how claiming tertiary/secondary characters are much more likely to be scum claims then going balls out and claiming Aladdin or something like that.

 

 

 

Darthe and Vos are top two atm.  Vos for previously stated reasons.  Darthe for being overly quick to clear AJ and trying to derail my scumhunting.

 

Yeahh... WTL wombat.  He isn't making sense this game and a wombat that I can't follow is a scumbat.  No way he doesn't understand how basic the logic is behind my AJ clear.

 

I understand the logic.  It's too basic.  There is scum incentive in doing what AJ did because he can get cleared by "basic logic."  Also, he's probably getting points from the mods for his play there regardless of his alignment.  You are taking something that is largely alignment neutral and using it to clear someone.

 

I'm okay with Wombat's stance here - it's a legit one. Yes, there is scum incentive in pushing the 'pro-town' angle, but in this case where introducing the idea and then claiming I put myself at needless risk in order to provide the game with a talking point. I think the town incentive here out weights that for scum by a good amount. 

 

[Andrej]

 

Gonna break up the WoT I was working on seeing Lily's last statement lol

 

MOAR POINTS

 

Share the love AJ. We believe in communism here.

 

Too bad.

 

Capitalist America!

[Lenlo]

 

 

Gonna break up the WoT I was working on seeing Lily's last statement lol

 

MOAR POINTS

 

Share the love AJ. We believe in communism here.

 

Too bad.

 

Capitalist America!

 

This is a multicultural board with people from many countries. I believe in accommodation.

[nervositee]

 

It's pretty easy to see the point I'm making.

 

Darthe says:

 

1.  AJ is obvtown for his move

2.  There is no scum incentive for AJ's move.

 

 

You see the contradiction there, right?

 

 

No - I think they line up pretty well actually.

 

There is no scum incentive for AJ's move -> AJ is obvtown.

 

Your differing opinion is what causes the contradiction, not Darthe's thought process.

 

 

Anything that is done to try to clear yourself without scum-hunting is null at best. Null ≠ obvtown, thus contradiction. 

 

[Andrej]

 

 

Darthe and Vos are top two atm. Vos for previously stated reasons. Darthe for being overly quick to clear AJ and trying to derail my scumhunting.

Yeahh... WTL wombat. He isn't making sense this game and a wombat that I can't follow is a scumbat. No way he doesn't understand how basic the logic is behind my AJ clear.

LOL, there is no logic in that clear. That was a cheesy attempt by AJ to make himself look town that early in D1. Posting and asking questions should clear him, not some weak attempt at WIFOM.

 

Your willingness to clear him as a result is amazingly devoid of logic.

 

Also, my statement of him claiming scum had nothing to do with the character he claimed. It had everything to do with the timing and method by which he revealed, and then suggested a mass claim.

 

Where do you see the WIFOM in this case? I think the intent was pretty clear and I backed my statement by immediately claiming.

 

I can see somewhat what you're saying about how it could be used a ploy to 'clear' myself early on - but I think the reward in this case wouldn't be worth the risk. Town cred is malleable at best, you should know this.

 

Gotcha.  I see it as null, but I know how you think sometimes so I think I see where you're coming from there.

 

I'd like to hear more on this.

 

FoS Darthe & Pralaya for defending AJ that easily.

 

This might actually be worth looking into, though.

 

I think Darthe looks fine - Pralaya can still be null but I think he took a pop shot earlier at Vos who I am reading as pretty townie atm. 

 

[Andrej]

Anything that is done to try to clear yourself without scum-hunting is null at best. Null ≠ obvtown, thus contradiction. 

 

It could be argued that by clearing myself I am helping others to scumhunt, yes?

[nervositee]

I'm not investing a ton of value in this, but these are some of the reactions I was hoping to generate with the claiming thing. Here Mish hints that she is an important character because the movie is titled after her - but I can think of 3 different movies off the top of my head in which the main character's name is also the title. This enables her to hint at being a major character without necessarily hard claiming one - in other words it gives her leeway for later on. I also dislike the tone in the counter-accusatory way she addresses Lenlo.

 

FOS.

 

And this is why I oppose focusing on characters. As far as I can see it, you're disregarding scum hunting to instead take stabs in the dark double-guessing Lily setting up the game. Even with one, two, three flips we still wouldn't know more about peoples' claims.

[Lenlo]

At this point im just thinking that if we lock people into a claim then they cant BS anything later on. Force them into it now while people are still establishing their town/scumminess.

[Andrej]

I think it can't hurt town because it has no cost associated with it for town.  No roles to reveal, no claims to push and we at the very least get a sense for what the claims in the game are like.  However, for scum it has a lot of potential pitfalls.  It forces them to remember an extra thing all game, to create a claim that they are going to be held to if it doesn't fit with the others and to take an (albeit small) early game risk.  It additionally means that they have to spread themselves out more (how odd would it be if they all claimed a dwarf etc?) if they want to keep in balance with the townies and last we do not know if the game has more than 1 character per series etc.  

 

Claims are an unknown that can't save people later but may well create a slip early game.  Why wouldn't I push for that?  

 

Pretty much this. We have no roles to worry about and I am not suggesting that we use the characters claimed to pseudo-clear others. It was more a way to get people talking and taking stances, plus for those who did claim it adds to the collective information pool. The bolded bit is especially what I was going for. Not saying that those who don't claim are scum - obviously - but in this situation they are put under a bit of duress trying to decide if they should play along. Fake claim for town cred/points or risk being locked into a position that could come back to bite them later?

 

Claiming can hurt the town though, because mafia can get points for fake claims.

 

Darthe, you mention that it forces scum to create a claim that may not fit with other claims. But it could also be a way of scum getting townies to give out their characters, which gives the scum of an idea of what kind of characters there are in the game. AJ could have been fishing to get some town to out their characters right away, so he and other mafia can get a better idea of who they should claim. It's a smart move for the beginning of the game, too.

 

How does this work if I was the first to claim?

[Andrej]

At this point im just thinking that if we lock people into a claim then they cant BS anything later on. Force them into it now while people are still establishing their town/scumminess.

 

This.

[nervositee]

 

Anything that is done to try to clear yourself without scum-hunting is null at best. Null ≠ obvtown, thus contradiction. 

 

It could be argued that by clearing myself I am helping others to scumhunt, yes?

 

 

But we don't know your motives, and there is no evidence to a character claim so it's not really clearing yourself as town - is it?

 

To be clear, I'm more suspicious of the people so eager to clear you - than you. As I said, your claim is null for me. 

[Andrej]

 

I'm not investing a ton of value in this, but these are some of the reactions I was hoping to generate with the claiming thing. Here Mish hints that she is an important character because the movie is titled after her - but I can think of 3 different movies off the top of my head in which the main character's name is also the title. This enables her to hint at being a major character without necessarily hard claiming one - in other words it gives her leeway for later on. I also dislike the tone in the counter-accusatory way she addresses Lenlo.

 

FOS.

 

And this is why I oppose focusing on characters. As far as I can see it, you're disregarding scum hunting to instead take stabs in the dark double-guessing Lily setting up the game. Even with one, two, three flips we still wouldn't know more about peoples' claims.

 

I'm not able to focus on a character without her claiming.

 

What I am saying is that I dislike how she is kind of hedging around saying who she is directly and leaving herself options to change things up later. That's my point - this type of behavior is suspect imo.