[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Nynaeve]

Think Cory is right about the Nol shot. I'm surprised Nolder was a VT, I figured he was polarized to scum or cop.

 

DesBat no coroner implies a janitor. That means future claimfest becomes even more muddied.

 

I'm inclined to agree.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Tommyrod]

 

Think Cory is right about the Nol shot. I'm surprised Nolder was a VT, I figured he was polarized to scum or cop.

 

DesBat no coroner implies a janitor. That means future claimfest becomes even more muddied.

 

How does anyone not read "sticking his nose where it didn't belong" as the mafia NK?

 

I'm probably of the same mind as Cory, I don't care much about flavor, claims, etc. Des was playing pro-town and Nolder was not. That means Des is a scum kill and Nolder is a vig kill 99% of the time. The rest just gets in the way.

[Cory Caboose]

"Scenes are also going to be written.  They may or may not mean anything."

 

Better question: Why would the Mafia kill Nolder?

[Tommyrod]

Cory, you realize this means we just got disrespected, yeah?

[Myndrunner]

I disagree entirely, on DesBat and my thoughts on hydras. The first is pointless to debate without more information and the second doesn't belong to be debated in this game. If you decide you are only going to analyze ~7 players because LOL, let's do that... Okay. have fun.

##Vote Krak feels right

 

Tommy suggested that Desbat's no-coroner implies a janitor.  I guess there is more to look at than just PAFO.  By your rationale, it is pointless to debate who is scum without more information.  We can certainly try to look at it.  Tommy did. 

 

Again, I am not saying anything about ignoring the rest of the players.  A very effective scum-hunting strategy is to isolate a group of players.  This is what I am doing.  I am looking at the hydras because of their extra benefit to the scum team.

 

Do you at least agree that a hydra in a mafia slot gives the mafia an extra advantage in the game thread?

[Cory Caboose]

Cory, you realize this means we just got disrespected, yeah?

 

We are both alive during a Day 2.

 

Let's do this.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Do you at least agree that a hydra in a mafia slot gives the mafia an extra advantage in the game thread?

 

 

No. It's probably all mostly null, but if anything it's pro-town. The louder any given Mafia slot is the easier it is will be to determine their alignment.

[Tommyrod]

I have to assume DesBat got capped first for being right about something, ghana pull up their scumoutput.txt file.

[Tommyrod]

Nolbat - 5.2027244573 - SCUM

Mynd - 5.2027244573 - SCUM

Krak - 4.5402098357 - SCUM

Dawn - 4.5402098357 - SCUM

Verbalina - 3.7874282333 - SCUM LEAN

Dice - 3.6426625406 - SCUM LEAN

Lenlo - 3.5013044129 - SCUM LEAN

Halleeloujah - 3.5013044129 - SCUM LEAN

Zanube - 2.9801479189 - MIXED

Jack - 2.8387897912 - MIXED

MegaLoud - 2.3176332973 - TOWN LEAN

Nyankat - 2.3176332973 - TOWN LEAN

Red - 1.3332265865 - TOWN

Tommy - 1.3332265865 - TOWN

X - 1.0471027661 - TOWN

Crayjay - 0.9568357854 - TOWN

Yates - 0.9568357854 - TOWN

 

Nolder was wrong; can't really blame whomever shot him though, he was being purposefully useless.

 

So Krak is pushing Red currently, right? Or did I misinterpret that?

[Myndrunner]

 

 

Think Cory is right about the Nol shot. I'm surprised Nolder was a VT, I figured he was polarized to scum or cop.

 

DesBat no coroner implies a janitor. That means future claimfest becomes even more muddied.

 

How does anyone not read "sticking his nose where it didn't belong" as the mafia NK?

 

I'm probably of the same mind as Cory, I don't care much about flavor, claims, etc. Des was playing pro-town and Nolder was not. That means Des is a scum kill and Nolder is a vig kill 99% of the time. The rest just gets in the way.

 

This assumption only works if you read DesBat's actions as pro-town.  I don't see how DesBat was townie enough to be targeted.  There are far more town-seeming players to target than DesBat. 

 

My take is that the mafia targeted Nolder based on DesBat's scum list.  Guess who is second on that list?  Me.  I'll bet Desbat was part of the scum team, took out Nolder counting on a speed lynch on myself on D2. 

[Yates]

Why Nolder?  Interesting that Wombat posted Nolder as #1 probably scum and #2 was me.   Was this the mafia NK or was it a VIG kill?

Nolder was a vig kill. I shot him. Nolder shot saved us the rest of this day phase. Next time I'll hit scum. Come at me bro.

 

Desbat was obviously mafia kill. Unless, of course, you think the mafia janitor correctly guessed at a vig kill on a universal Town read?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Think Cory is right about the Nol shot. I'm surprised Nolder was a VT, I figured he was polarized to scum or cop.

 

DesBat no coroner implies a janitor. That means future claimfest becomes even more muddied.

 

How does anyone not read "sticking his nose where it didn't belong" as the mafia NK?

 

I'm probably of the same mind as Cory, I don't care much about flavor, claims, etc. Des was playing pro-town and Nolder was not. That means Des is a scum kill and Nolder is a vig kill 99% of the time. The rest just gets in the way.

 

This assumption only works if you read DesBat's actions as pro-town.  I don't see how DesBat was townie enough to be targeted.  There are far more town-seeming players to target than DesBat. 

 

My take is that the mafia targeted Nolder based on DesBat's scum list.  Guess who is second on that list?  Me.  I'll bet Desbat was part of the scum team, took out Nolder counting on a speed lynch on myself on D2. 

 

 

Nolder was being set up as a lynch today. Regardless of how you view him, scum isn't shooting Nolder when he's a mislynch candidate and scum knows he's town. This is basic.

[Tommyrod]

 

Why Nolder?  Interesting that Wombat posted Nolder as #1 probably scum and #2 was me.   Was this the mafia NK or was it a VIG kill?

Nolder was a vig kill. I shot him. Nolder shot saved us the rest of this day phase. Next time I'll hit scum. Come at me bro.

 

Desbat was obviously mafia kill. Unless, of course, you think the mafia janitor correctly guessed at a vig kill on a universal Town read?

 

 

Another option is some kind of SK that hides coroner, but Darthe said this is a no-nonsense game or something like that, yes? So mafia janitor makes the most sense.

 

No worries on the Nolder shot, but you were lying about being a VT, huh?

[Cory Caboose]

Yates I'm not even mad.

[Myndrunner]

 

Nolbat - 5.2027244573 - SCUM

Mynd - 5.2027244573 - SCUM

Krak - 4.5402098357 - SCUM

Dawn - 4.5402098357 - SCUM

Verbalina - 3.7874282333 - SCUM LEAN

Dice - 3.6426625406 - SCUM LEAN

Lenlo - 3.5013044129 - SCUM LEAN

Halleeloujah - 3.5013044129 - SCUM LEAN

Zanube - 2.9801479189 - MIXED

Jack - 2.8387897912 - MIXED

MegaLoud - 2.3176332973 - TOWN LEAN

Nyankat - 2.3176332973 - TOWN LEAN

Red - 1.3332265865 - TOWN

Tommy - 1.3332265865 - TOWN

X - 1.0471027661 - TOWN

Crayjay - 0.9568357854 - TOWN

Yates - 0.9568357854 - TOWN

 

Nolder was wrong; can't really blame whomever shot him though, he was being purposefully useless.

 

So Krak is pushing Red currently, right? Or did I misinterpret that?

 

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner. 

[Cory Caboose]

Mynd, your narrative is proven wrong and scummy. Have fun with that.

GG Mafia, I think I can do at least four of you in this phase.

[Yates]

No worries on the Nolder shot, but you were lying about being a VT, huh?

Hi. My name is Yates. Nice to meet you.

 

Bro. I lie ALL THE TIME. Except when I'm telling the truth. Like when I say I *always* gambit. All that matters is the intent of the lie. Maybe I'm lying about being the vig to draw the NK...??

 

[Myndrunner]

 

Why Nolder?  Interesting that Wombat posted Nolder as #1 probably scum and #2 was me.   Was this the mafia NK or was it a VIG kill?

Nolder was a vig kill. I shot him. Nolder shot saved us the rest of this day phase. Next time I'll hit scum. Come at me bro.

 

Desbat was obviously mafia kill. Unless, of course, you think the mafia janitor correctly guessed at a vig kill on a universal Town read?

 

 

Well, there ya go.

 

So, DesBat was the mafia kill then.  And a Janitor in play.  Are we to assume then that DesBat was town?

[Tommyrod]

Mynd, you're a little bit slow on the uptake, eh?

[Cory Caboose]

No, the mafia clearly killed one of their own for lulz.

[Cory Caboose]

xpost glory

[Cory Caboose]

I'm pretty happy to just label Mynd lock scum here and move on.

 

"Mafia killed Nolder because he was the no. 1 scum on Scum DesBat's list and they did it so that I will be speedlynched"

There are so many issues with this train of thought I think it's 100% impossible it came from a townie.

[Cory Caboose]

##Unvote
##Vote Mynd

 

Get on the wagon before it comes a bus

[Tommyrod]

Your "hydra theory" can't be "founded in logic and probability."

Here's your hydra theory, reworked: players whose usernames begin with the first half of the alphabet (A-M) are important to focus on because the second half of the alphabet is more trustworthy (everyone knows that).

So let's solely focus on these players today:
 
Crayjay (Cory/Andrej)
Dawn
Dice
Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally)
Jack
Krak
Lenlo
MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud)
Mynd

And not consider anyone else, because logic and probability.

[Tommyrod]

 

No worries on the Nolder shot, but you were lying about being a VT, huh?

Hi. My name is Yates. Nice to meet you.

 

Bro. I lie ALL THE TIME. Except when I'm telling the truth. Like when I say I *always* gambit. All that matters is the intent of the lie. Maybe I'm lying about being the vig to draw the NK...??

 

I like your style, bruv. I do the same thing.