[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

What were you testing, Cory?

 

I wanted to see if anyone would FOS me for my flip but leave Des open - I'm pretty sure Tina and Des are both town.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by leave Des open, but that's kind of what I figured.  Not sure I like it though.

 

I can't remember you liking all that much in Mafia 

 

 

I don't think you can really fault me.  Dawn had been voting Despot for nothing of importance since nearly the beginning of the game, and Darthe had made it very evident where he stood on Despot's train of thought this game.  I stated my stance on Despot's argument against Jack.  You, on the other hand, clear lock Despot... then a few pages later, you hop on.

 

Running a gambit to see who would come after you is plausible.  It's also plausible that you thought Darthe's case on Despot might actually gain some traction and wanted to help it along.  Combined that with you quickly moving to Csarmi once Tina rolled that direction...well, it didn't look great.

[Cory Caboose]

I would highly suggest Lenlo/Darthe/Salami trains for today

 

Darthe I guess could be town because he really just seems to enjoy being difficult at times even though I can't follow his mindset whatsoever

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

 

What were you testing, Cory?

 

I wanted to see if anyone would FOS me for my flip but leave Des open - I'm pretty sure Tina and Des are both town.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by leave Des open, but that's kind of what I figured.  Not sure I like it though.

 

I can't remember you liking all that much in Mafia 

 

 

I don't think you can really fault me.  Dawn had been voting Despot for nothing of importance since nearly the beginning of the game, and Darthe had made it very evident where he stood on Despot's train of thought this game.  I stated my stance on Despot's argument against Jack.  You, on the other hand, clear lock Despot... then a few pages later, you hop on.

 

Running a gambit to see who would come after you is plausible.  It's also plausible that you thought Darthe's case on Despot might actually gain some traction and wanted to help it along.  Combined that with you quickly moving to Csarmi once Tina rolled that direction...well, it didn't look great.

 

Looked fine to me 

 

Glad to see some of your Clov-Paranoia shine through, but the fact that I didn't even give a supporting quote should have sent a warning bell at least to you.

 

Welcome to the higher end of my nulls, though I'd really prefer you to be town after the last few circles you've run on me. What are your thoughts on Lenlo and Darthe this game?

[Cory Caboose]

The major problem with that train of thought is that I have been skeptical of Darthe all game, have supported Despot all game, and was on Salami before my quiet flip to Des

 

 

Why, what's wrong?

Vote csarmi

 

 

Because "Why, what's wrong?" is the only thought he's had besides "Hello." and more than that has gone on through the thread.

 

But congrats on being LAWK CLEAR, welcome to green-towm

[Cory Caboose]

Would not lynch: Des, Tina, Dawn, Clov

WTL: Darthe

Prefer to lynch: Lenlo, Salami

 

If anybody else wants to play Mafia LMK, I'll be here

[Darthe]

I would highly suggest Lenlo/Darthe/Salami trains for today

 

Darthe I guess could be town because he really just seems to enjoy being difficult at times even though I can't follow his mindset whatsoever

 

This would be a great way to kill some townies imo.

 

I also think that Tina is more likely to be town than you two by a considerable margin.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I would highly suggest Lenlo/Darthe/Salami trains for today

 

Darthe I guess could be town because he really just seems to enjoy being difficult at times even though I can't follow his mindset whatsoever

 

This would be a great way to kill some townies imo.

 

I also think that Tina is more likely to be town than you two by a considerable margin.

 

So you're vetting Salami and Lenlo as town?

 

Good to know

[Lenlo]

While I love the attention, im sorry to say im innocent. For Tina I just dont feel the same as you. For the Des train thing you showed me I was wrong and im not one of those bums who cant admit when he was wrong. You people know who you are. 

 

Loose well... I dunno if that hydra game was a really good game or if im just feeling like crap right now. /shrug/ Find out eventually.

 

Would not lynch: Des, Tina, Dawn, Clov

WTL: Darthe

Prefer to lynch: Lenlo, Salami

 

If anybody else wants to play Mafia LMK, I'll be here

Cmoooon. Sure you dont want to lynch them? Even a little bit? Just for the hell of it?

[Darthe]

The major problem with that train of thought is that I have been skeptical of Darthe all game, have supported Despot all game, and was on Salami before my quiet flip to Des

 

 

Why, what's wrong?

Vote csarmi

 

 

Because "Why, what's wrong?" is the only thought he's had besides "Hello." and more than that has gone on through the thread.

 

But congrats on being LAWK CLEAR, welcome to green-towm

 

I'll be honest, I don't agree with the top post of this but it is internally consistent with your play so far.

 

However I don't like how quickly you go from calling him null to town.  Especially considering your lack of reasoning before.

[Darthe]

 

 

I would highly suggest Lenlo/Darthe/Salami trains for today

 

Darthe I guess could be town because he really just seems to enjoy being difficult at times even though I can't follow his mindset whatsoever

 

This would be a great way to kill some townies imo.

 

I also think that Tina is more likely to be town than you two by a considerable margin.

 

So you're vetting Salami and Lenlo as town?

 

Good to know

 

 

Vetting?  No.  Doesn't change that I think it.

[Clovdyx]

Looked fine to me 

 

Glad to see some of your Clov-Paranoia shine through, but the fact that I didn't even give a supporting quote should have sent a warning bell at least to you.

 

Welcome to the higher end of my nulls, though I'd really prefer you to be town after the last few circles you've run on me. What are your thoughts on Lenlo and Darthe this game?

 

 

Darthe is my strongest town read at this point.  The only thing scummy about Jack to me thus far is his retaliation vote on Tina.  Despot was trying to make something out of nothing IMO with the whyme fryme, so Darthe was right to argue against it.  Not only scum focuses on defending themselves - anybody who realizes they're town, and lynching town is bad, should question unexplained lynches against them.

 

On top of that, I think Darthe's train of thought on you is perfectly fair.

 

 

My reaction is that you voted someone after I just cased them without providing any comment was not okay.

 

 

He did the work, you piled on without a word, despite having just said Despot was town.  If he ended up getting trained today from that lynch, you would be one of the first people I would want to look at.

 

Lenlo is town-leaning null for me ATM.  Good points about Tina leading the wagons and you and Despot following (though you were on Csarmi first, before moving to Despot).  I liked his answer in Post 169 about Csarmi being an easier lynch than Jack, too.

[Cory Caboose]

 

The major problem with that train of thought is that I have been skeptical of Darthe all game, have supported Despot all game, and was on Salami before my quiet flip to Des

 

 

Why, what's wrong?

Vote csarmi

 

 

Because "Why, what's wrong?" is the only thought he's had besides "Hello." and more than that has gone on through the thread.

 

But congrats on being LAWK CLEAR, welcome to green-towm

 

I'll be honest, I don't agree with the top post of this but it is internally consistent with your play so far.

 

However I don't like how quickly you go from calling him null to town.  Especially considering your lack of reasoning before.

 

 

Clov is a tough read for me but if I have one decent hold on him it's that his paranoia ekes out a lot more as town

 

Why do you think Salami and Lenlo are town?

 

You think Salami is town because me, Tina and Des are voting him?

 

You think Tina is town?

 

You should be pushing me and Des harder 

 

And why is Lenlo town? LMK

[Cory Caboose]

Despot making something out of nothing is generally his Day 1 town MO - if I know this then Darthe knows this, so if he has something on Des besides that I'm quite interested

[dawnflower8]

Would not lynch: Des, Tina, Dawn, Clov

WTL: Darthe

Prefer to lynch: Lenlo, Salami

 

If anybody else wants to play Mafia LMK, I'll be here

I'm glad you think so, but why are you so sure I am town? 

[Lenlo]

Despot making something out of nothing is generally his Day 1 town MO - if I know this then Darthe knows this, so if he has something on Des besides that I'm quite interested

Its not just his D1 town MO its his D1 MO no matter what he is. :P

[Cory Caboose]

 

Would not lynch: Des, Tina, Dawn, Clov

WTL: Darthe

Prefer to lynch: Lenlo, Salami

 

If anybody else wants to play Mafia LMK, I'll be here

I'm glad you think so, but why are you so sure I am town? 

 

 

I think you gamed the mod a little bit back 5-6 pages back

 

Challenging the mod outright is not something I'd expect from scum, and you seem to be a relatively new players (or am I wrong?) so gun 'em down fast and loose

[Cory Caboose]

 

Despot making something out of nothing is generally his Day 1 town MO - if I know this then Darthe knows this, so if he has something on Des besides that I'm quite interested

Its not just his D1 town MO its his D1 MO no matter what he is. :P

 

 

If you have more experience playing with him (and you probably do, as I've played 6-7 games with him and saw him as scum only once) and know his scum behavior, what about this Day 1 from him is different than his usual "MO" which you are saying is non-alignment indicative?

 

Is Darthe justified here or is he making something out of nothing as well?

[Darthe]

I know a lot more about Des than you.  I've been playing with him my entire career and we are probably the closest thing to a friendly rivalry that this entire website has.  It isn't that one of us starts a game, it is how.  This is the exact reason that we are on one another almost instantly each game and if we aren't we wreck games.

 

Still proud that I caught him on his first post one game.  He said "ok" or something similar.

 

I anticipate Des to present charismatic arguments, force situations and generally flare on people to boost their reactivity.  He then takes their reactions and uses those to whittle away at them.  It is him regardless of if he is town or scum and regardless of if he is on town or scum though in time he has become better at recognizing the differences.  

 

However, town Des is going to attack.  He is suicidal town and he is going to play to WIN on D1 because he knows he is either getting lynched for being entirely wrong or getting NK'd for being entirely right by the 3rd phase.  

 

Mafia Des won't do this.  He plays with the same bravado to imitate it but his tone changes because he can't afford to lose himself and he tends to not trust his team to win on their own.  He wants to remain in control of the situations and so he will be more conscientious.  

 

Any time I catch des caring for his own life, attempting to keep control or leaving himself a way out of every situation I go for it.  Here we see the first and third.  

[Cory Caboose]

 

However, town Des is going to attack.  He is suicidal town and he is going to play to WIN on D1 because he knows he is either getting lynched for being entirely wrong or getting NK'd for being entirely right by the 3rd phase.  

 

Mafia Des won't do this.  He plays with the same bravado to imitate it but his tone changes because he can't afford to lose himself and he tends to not trust his team to win on their own.  He wants to remain in control of the situations and so he will be more conscientious.  

 

Any time I catch des caring for his own life, attempting to keep control or leaving himself a way out of every situation I go for it.  Here we see the first and third.  

 

I will reread Des' posts with this in mind

 

I would like to hear Des respond to this

 

Thank you for throwing me some rope, it is in the benefit of town that people at least let me peek into their trains of thought as that's how I do my magic

[Lenlo]

As Darthe said, thats the general feel I get from Des. Nowhere near as indepth as his. I dont have the rivalry they have, im just there, but I rarely see Des care whether or not he gets lynched as town.

 

Also having a rival sounds like fun. I need one. >.>

[Sedai]

Hey guys busy weekend

 

So cory I'm no longer Lock Scum not sure if I should be flattered or leery.

 

Tina is where the votes should be IMO. She has been voting flippantly and has waited in most cases for someone to provide her reason for her. Her and Des are becoming so intertwined in gameplay it's providing lolz as people are just glossing over it.

 

I agree Lenlo has a different tone this game to start but it is the start and I don't think I'd be okay just to lynch him for that.

 

Clovdyx has been playing really well and reasonable and he gets me.

 

Darthe is playing complete opposite from his most recent showing as scum. Not enough to clear him but I feel more easy about him.

 

Cory seems to be doing the Cory thing but a little muted I think worth looking into. Apparently "reserved" is the key word for him today

 

Csarmi, I forgot he was playing.

 

Dawn has also been playing a smooth game IMO for her experience level.

 

If I missed anyone I'm sorry. Post more.

[Cory Caboose]

As Darthe said, thats the general feel I get from Des. Nowhere near as indepth as his. I dont have the rivalry they have, im just there, but I rarely see Des care whether or not he gets lynched as town.

 

Also having a rival sounds like fun. I need one. >.>

 

We can be rivals! YAYAYAY

[Lenlo]

Yaaaaaay! Fun times in store!

[Cory Caboose]

I had eye surgery on Thursday and have not been able to look at a computer screen for more than fifteen seconds until today

 

UNMUTE

[Lenlo]

I had eye surgery on Thursday and have not been able to look at a computer screen for more than fifteen seconds until today

 

UNMUTE

Aww snap is this when it gets real? Is it going to hit the fan? Has the boulder got rolling? Did... Actually I think im out.