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[Darthe]

@Kaylee, I wanted to say it in that way and so I did.  It felt right to see who would react and in what way, despite being something that I could have phrased better.  Additionally I found the heat on me to be very... fake for lack of a better word and so it looked like she may be being protected.

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?
@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

This kind of post is why AJ is essentially lock town for me.

 

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

 

And this kind of post is why Hally's name will never be on a best players list.  Five people and four of them are floaty answers but one says nothing at all?  You deserve to get lynched every time you pull something like this.

 

Unvote vote Laya.  

[Tommyrod]

 

Peace - Good feeling on Peace.  I agree that the Despo/Csarmageddon thingy could've easily distracted town for D1.  I actually have a better feeling about AJ because of Csarmi bailing instead of staying.

 

Turin - Spammy memes again, OR SO I THOUGHT.  Continuing through the thread he actually put up a nice little analysis.  I didn't see TG's post before it changed, so I can't speak for or against it.  Disagree about Csarmi's reaction being kneejerk though, he is always quick to do any kind of claiming.

 

Mish - I applaud you woman, and I agree with that post!  I didn't see it as mediating either, it was more just trying to shake the bejesus out of those two.  One question; you mentioned people using buzzwords.  What constitutes a buzzword, and why is it a bad thing?

 

Despo - One day I'll be able to read you >.<

 

Amega - Nudged at Despo being mafia again, then went bye-bye; come baaack!

 

Me: Town 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

 

Kaylee - Going along with the flow

 

 

BFG - Not super talkative, but engaging with questions and commentary so I'm leaning town.

 

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

Vote TGlems

I like that your being active and participating, makes me lean town on you. 

Bold: I can see why it appeared that way. I saw the same things others saw and came to the same conclusion. 

 

 

Lol Des.  You can't ask me to evaluate the scumminess of a statement without asking me to examine the intent of the statement.  And since Darthe was vague, that means speculating and provisionally putting words in his mouth.

 

As for townies being equally likely to call Darthe out for the vote change as scum, that's not true at all.  Most townies tend to look for things that are actually scummy, not things that they don't understand.  Scum look for anything that is not easily understood as pro-town and can therefore be built into a case.

 

Also, as for linking myself to Darthe, that's dog crap.  I'm just calling out garbage where I see it.  So far, the only things I've said about Darthe's alignment are that I picked up a couple town tells from him.  I have a slight town read on him.  On D1.

Bold: That makes sense. 

Underlined: That I don't agree with. You can speculate why you think they did it, but they them give their own reasons as your not them and don't know why the did or didn't do something.

Blue: It is true. In scum hunting a townie should be looking at everything and anything that stands out. 

 

We got a bus vote over here

What makes you think that? What makes you feel like hes scum? Please share your thoughts.

 

 

If someone had a reasonable case rather than a load of crock that they repeated until the dumber masses followed it I might care enough to axtually challenge their views. As things stand I am not worried nor was I. Ive said it a hundted times now, Des doesnt yet know how to play thus game like those whose names are remembered around here. It isnt a matter of his ability, it is in how he uses it and how well he can perform critical analysis.

 

FTP, saying something multiple times anx then pushing people to repeat it is not a high level skill. All that it ever convinces are newbies, skimmers, and people who dont have the ability to critically think. Why would I eved be threatened by that or waste my time catering to it? I would much rather find mafia in a logical and concise manner. If you need proof of this examine the last ten or so times that Des and I playdd together. Other than the few times that he annoyed me to the point that I dealt with him Ive done this exact same thing and HE is the one who ends up dead for it. Because that sort of play cant hold up over time withiut incriminating the one driving it. Because he plays to beliefs rather than logical conclusions. Because he never backs away when he thinks he is wrong.

 

That is a long answer that should finally precisely answer your question.

 

TLDR I dont view Des as a threat because his views dont hold water

The bold actually makes me feel better about Darthe. Can't explain it real well, but something about it feels like his town self to me. I still don't like the comment about going back to voting Mish if he got more heat over unvoting her and then not explaining it. Esp since he basically said he didn't find her scummy anymore. Darthe: Why use those words? Why would that make you move your vote back to her? I'm confused about Darthe now tbh. This above post feels like he could be town, but the Mish revote comment, and then the bus comment on Pral with no reasoning on why he thinks Pral is scum makes me think less likely town.

 

I'm hoping he'll explain his actions further and answer my questions.

 

 

 

 

unvote

 

vote tglems

Reason?

 

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

This is a good post; I agree with you that Darthe/Des are likely to just be town-tunneling on each other to the general detriment of the village. Pral's vote for Des also reeks, yep. I forgot about Dap, so thanks for the reminder. Will keep an eye on him. Consider yourself in my town pile for this post.

 

I need to look back to answer that AJ. Going to start that now, but may not be able to finish until tomorrow.

 

 

My reads so far...

 

1. Peace - Getting a town vibe. He mentions things that stand out to him and votes accordingly. The only question I have here is Peace, why the vote on TG? Looking back over your posts I don't see a reason for that vote.

 

2. Turin - Being vocal on things happening. His initial ping on Despo seems like a stretch. I'll add in the quote. 

 

Thinks Darthe is town partly because he thinks he knows why Darthe made the comment that has others questioning Darthe. He thinks Despo is scum because he thinks Darthe made a slip? That I don't get as Despo wasn't the only one to think so. 

 

Then this quote...

 

And here is what Despo had actually said..

 

So he is misrepresenting him.

 

I'd like to hear more from him, but leaning null to slight scum atm.

 

3. Despo - Since Darthe made his questionable statement Despo's been consistent on it and explained why he feels that way. That feels like town Despo to me. He gave thoughts on players which is always nice to reference. Is he tunneling on Darthe? Yes, but at least he's going after who he finds scummiest to him. His response to Wombat's case against him, or at least Wombat's reasons why Despo is voting Darthe, feels genuine to me. He's standing his ground. Leaning town.

 

4. Mish - I felt her asking them not to argue on thread was warranted and honest from her. She votes TG for his TMI and she doesn't like that he deleted his post. She later defend's her reasons for voting TG after being questioned on it.

 

Here's her post...

 

 

Her response makes me lean town on her.

 

5. AJ - Starts off voting Darthe and explaining why. Good reasoning and questions to him. Gives reads on a few players. He's not a fan on the recent votes on Darthe (myself and TG). Agrees with Tommy that Darthe's train might be a mislynch waiting to happen. The problem I have with that is his reason for unvoting Darthe.

 

Here's the post...

 

Bold: says it was Mish's tone that changed Darthe's mind about her. Sure, but that doesn't explain Darthe saying if he got more heat he'd re-vote Mish. Considering when AJ first asked Darthe about it it wasn't for unvoting Mish, but for re-vote comment. So how does this unvote match? 

 

He then votes TG for his town claim is different that VT claim comment and for TG agreeing with Despo's case against AJ yet instead votes the larger train which was Darthe. He then likes TG's response. His last post he unvote TG and vote Pral. He rehashes why he unvoted TG. Says he's voting Pral for his recap with 0 analysis and that it looks like an easy way to join the leading wagon.  Leaning scum atm due to his weird switch on Darthe and his re-explaining of his change of heart on TG feels like overkill. 

 

6. Amega - Starts off agreeing with Des about his calling Wombat buddying, calls him logical and calm. Then he votes Des for adding Turin to his list of suspects after Turin comments about Des. Amega says Des is scummy or playing in a way that doesn't help town. That's about it. leaning scum for  his comment about Des being scummy or playing in a way that doesn't help town.  Which is it Amega? Is he scummy? What makes you think so or is just what Turin said?

 

I'll have to do the rest tomorrow. Out of time for today.

 

Kaylee, I'm finding it bothersome that you are asking lots of people one-off questions but you've been seemingly reserved yourself. When I came into this game I asked you for your thoughts and you told me to read the thread myself. I don't think that response is warranted given the way you seem to expect people to softball responses in for you. I hope you get more engaged in the thread as I can't remember much of what you've said ITT and I remember you as a competent player; this question-and-run tactic is underwhelming and borderline worrying. In particular, I didn't like the way you responded to Hallia in that first quote. Seemed like you wanted to diffuse suspicion before it could fester by being friendly. IMO Hallia is right -- you're still "going with the flow."

This list of reads is incomplete as you've acknowledged, so I'll withhold judgment for now, but I hope you can make more a splash ITT. I see you're reconsidering Darthe, probably a good thing.

 

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

 

I find the timing of this unvote on Tglems very suspicious.

 

 

I actually would like to know why as well. Not that I disagree that removing heat from TG is suspicious, but I wanna know what you were thinking. For my files. My secret files. My precious files.

 

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

 

This doesn't really tell us anything, and you forgot one. How do you feel about me? 

[Tommyrod]

@Kaylee, I wanted to say it in that way and so I did.  It felt right to see who would react and in what way, despite being something that I could have phrased better.  Additionally I found the heat on me to be very... fake for lack of a better word and so it looked like she may be being protected.

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

This kind of post is why AJ is essentially lock town for me.

 

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

 

And this kind of post is why Hally's name will never be on a best players list.  Five people and four of them are floaty answers but one says nothing at all?  You deserve to get lynched every time you pull something like this.

 

Unvote vote Laya.  

 

I think this is the first time I remember us mindmelding in real time. I could get behind a Laya CFD. Lack of thread presence, easy hops onto wagons, dodging my requests for information: >rand to be scum.

[Tommyrod]

No doubt, no doubt. Glad you all agree.

[Darthe]

So Tom, u town brah?

[Tommyrod]

Unkillable Indie.

 

You?

[WWWwombat]

 

Lol is this a serious question?

 

 

It was meant to be coupled with my immediate following post.

 

 

Still a silly and useless question.  Criticizing people for having a good vocabulary is heinous enough.  Doing it hypocritically is even worse.

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

 

Gross.  If you're going to switch momentum from TG to Des at least own it by voting Des.

 

 

 

unvote; vote Pral

 

 

 

 

I find the timing of this unvote on Tglems very suspicious. 

 

 

Yep.

[Tommyrod]

Go away Wombat

 

I'm having a CONVERSATION

[Tommyrod]

AJ didn't call Des scummy in that post

 

He said the opposite

 

Learn2read

 

(Typo)

[WWWwombat]

This Laya thing is interesting.  I don't think he's scum.  Why the indirect switch from Des?

[Tommyrod]

This Laya thing is interesting. I don't think he's scum. Why the indirect switch from Des?

Who are you talking to

[WWWwombat]

AJ didn't call Des scummy in that post

 

He said the opposite

 

Learn2read

 

(Typo)

 

Effect is often more important than expressed intent.  Learn2ReadBetween.

[WWWwombat]

 

This Laya thing is interesting. I don't think he's scum. Why the indirect switch from Des?

Who are you talking to

 

 

Everyone.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

AJ didn't call Des scummy in that post

 

He said the opposite

 

Learn2read

 

(Typo)

Effect is often more important than expressed intent. Learn2ReadBetween.

Don't see what you're talking about

 

And after I just said you were making more sense today

 

You just had to go and ruin it didn't you

 

Didn't you

[WWWwombat]

Yes.  Once we are convinced we know something; that is when we know nothing.

[Tommyrod]

Yes. Once we are convinced we know something; that is when we know nothing.

Tell me all about Pral and Kaylee ITT

[Tommyrod]

DARTHE YOU DODGED MY QUESTION

[WWWwombat]

Pral is on-meta, which is to say he's playing an annoyingly lazy game.  He also lives halfway across the world from most of us which further compounds the matter.

 

Kaylee, I will have to examine in further detail tomorrow morning.

[Tommyrod]

I peeked you wolf n0 btw

[Tommyrod]

Hope that's not a problem

[WWWwombat]

Goodnight all.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

AJ didn't call Des scummy in that post

 

He said the opposite

 

Learn2read

 

(Typo)

Effect is often more important than expressed intent. Learn2ReadBetween.

Explain this one when you come back

[Tommyrod]

Goodnight all.

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:

Darthe (2) - Despo, Kaylee
Despo (4) - Turin, Wombat, Amega, Pral
TG (5) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, Hallia, peace
Lenlo (1) - TG
Pral (2) - AJ, Darthe

Not Voting (2) - Dap, BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

PLEASE NOTE THAT A DEADLINE HAS BEEN SET FOR WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 26 AT 9PM CST
Deadline: http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1

[peacesells]

Tommy, You asked about why I find AJ's unvote of Tglems suspicious. 

 

Well, I placed my vote on Tglems and that put him at 6, which I consider the danger zone for a lynch.  If AJ was bussing earlier or voting his team mate earlier as a distancing move for later game play then removing his vote at this time is a team mate saving move.

 

So, it is suspicious.