[Advanced] Star Wars Thrawn Mafia, Heir To The Empire, Town and 3rd party win

[Tyler Glembo]

I guess I'll just be direct: why do you think there's more town than mafia on Nolder's wagon?

 

Scum typically scatter on voting. I'd be very surprised to find that all teh scum were together on a lynch.

[Tommyrod]

 

I guess I'll just be direct: why do you think there's more town than mafia on Nolder's wagon?

 

Scum typically scatter on voting. I'd be very surprised to find that all teh scum were together on a lynch.

 

 

So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Des: who do you think conspicuously avoided the wagon?

[Tyler Glembo]

So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Des: who do you think conspicuously avoided the wagon?

 

 

I answered you this a couple days ago.  I said Tina then, and my opinion hasn't really changed.  She is still on my scum list.

[Tommyrod]

 

So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Des: who do you think conspicuously avoided the wagon?

 

 

I answered you this a couple days ago.  I said Tina then, and my opinion hasn't really changed.  She is still on my scum list.

 

 

Cory your thoughts on this discussion?

 

Satisfactory? Unsatisfactory?

[hazelkrs1]

Okay part 2 finally (you're welcome for sacrificing sleep for mafia #prioritiesoutoforder):
 

To help trim some of the quote fat, I might edit together one quote box that has a whole exchange between a couple of peeps, just be forewarned-
 

One person that I think could do with some more investigation are Kronos over the Tina vote. The way he wanted to paint her saying she had Csarmi as obviously town was mafia because only they would KNOW.
 
Despo is another one that has my ears up. (surprise) Yes, must be because I think when people do things that are IMO mafia-like they should be called on it. Regardless if they do it "all the time". The terribad Csarmi case. The OMGUSing of both Tina and SP. In one of the replies to SP he says that he isn't getting lynched today or words to that affect. Just because no one else is willing to listen doesn't mean the case isn't valid. I know I have proven that enough lately. Isn't that right Tommy? 
 
I think that someone in the #mindmeld crew is likely sneaky mafia. I am not positive of who as yet. My initial thought was Cory because  he seemed to be in Tommy's hip pocket. Neither have really questioned the other at this point so I still find that suspicious. Over trust between any two people without a valid reason will always get my attention. 
 
Peace said some things that struck me odd. TBH I can't place them ATM. I think I will need to go to sleep. I will try to get more in depth over the weekend. And flesh out more thoughts on other people/things.

 
Bold: Soft and chainsaw defense of Tina.
 
Italics: Kinda funny here- Turin says I make him "have his ears up". Scumclaim, Turin?
 

 
^Turin in the middle of the night, with his "ears up"

 
Underlined is something I noticed a lot on reread, Turin taking a lot of jabs @ Peace when Peace wasn't that vocal or a major player, and ended up being the NK, kinda strange.
 

Csarmi, why not just vote?

 
This was another big ping to me- He comments multiple times throughout the day and says how he doesn't want a rushed lynch blah blah blah, then fos's Salami for stating intent to hammer, provokes him to just vote.
 
Wtf? Turin literally would have fos'd Salami no matter what in this scenario- he hammers without stating intent, Turin gets to fos/budge
 

I don't know half the people in this game. SP is treating Des like a red-headed stepchild, but really I think they're different characters of his split personality. Monk is competing with csarmi to see who can make the least logical post.  Turin fos'ing Des is a HUGE shocker. 
 
X is a scum-lean cause of Nolder. Cory/Tommy are nul at presentl, but if we start mislynching, it'd be easy to see how, as they're leading everyone around by the nose. AJ has been playing really well as scum lately, so I'm overly suspicious of him. Tina feels scummy. So to summarize- this thread has been flooded with gibberish terms I have no knowledge of and do not feel like looking up. Tina/X are my only two scum reads and I have no thing else constructive to say.

 
Emphasized: DistanceFail perhaps? Just says "Tina feels scummy", doesn't flesh out that read whatsoever. This actually makes GE look bad no matter what Tina's alignment is.
 

SP: Darthe, would you like to comment on......ANYTHING?

Monk: Good timing for me.

Monk: I would've hammered for you, Cory. X is scum. No need to worry.

SP: ... Do I REALLY need to say how this post (referring to one above from Monk) is scummy? SERIOUSLY. Look at this.
 
Monk: Man, you guys were right this site dies when I can be most active.

Here was an exchange I liked rereading... gives me a pretty good town vibe from SP. I'll explain more on this later.
 
As for Monk, I'm not sure if he's scum or Failtown right now. One of the best things going for him is that those who voted him today did look pretty dirty, a couple even backtracked after forming a quick bandwagon, vurrry scummy. 
 

What I think is that Nolder got his slot lynched by replacing out. That doesn't mean maffia wouldn't have capitalized on it... but after X arrived, they could just switch to lazy mode if they wished.

Probably more worthwhile to analyze the trains before X came in.

 
 This post gives me a townie feel on Salami.
 

I´m sure you did. lol I´m watching the Olympics!!! And the being social part wasn´t about you, it was about people inviting me for sleep overs during the Olympics. 
 
Tom - you didn´t remember me talking about Nolder/X? That is strange since you talked to me alot why I didn´t vote Nolder initially but changed my mind when he quit the game.

 
Tina has been very whyme frymeish this phase, besides her bandwagon vote on Monk. 
 

Ah, right. I remember that TG has been unusually quiet.

 
#Datweakdistanceattempt
 

I always re-read in the nights before, but then I got nk´d a lot. It´s not fun to read for hours and then getting killed. :(

 
Could be a distance from the NK /shrug
 

Peace, Have your opinions of AJ and Tina changed since Nolder/X flipped town?

 
This was pretty close before the deadline... moar nudging of Peace even tho Peace was not close to a major player at this point.
 
This reads to me as Turin both fake scumhunting as well as distancing from his team's NK- seen him do this before as scum (push at the team NK in the phases leading up to the kill)
 

It is looking that way right now. 
 
we can't vote Despo until daytime.

 
^^^ Turin possibly slipping- seems to know he'll survive the night, setting up a lynch during the night phase which is terriscummy as well as a totes antitown move to make
 

Whoa, So does that mean there was a survivor team? If so, this just got a bit more complicated. 
 
Ironic that Peace dubbed AJ as 3rd party earlier. 
 
I'm still good with wanting to Vote Despo
 
Gonna look over Peace's posts again real quick to see if anything jumps out.

 
Turin is the first to make a big deal about Peace's flip, and stress looking back through his posts.
 
Also funny how he makes it seem like Peace's flip is a big deal, yet apparently knows in advance that the NK won't change his feelings about a lynch on me
 

 
Turin howling
 

Not much there. He did push the Nolder/X train very hard. I guess that makes sense for a survivor. Anyone but them(or in this case their partner I guess). 
 
He kinda defended Despo as being on meta and FoS'd Tina over her vote on him.  And there were a few nothing post to him as well.(to get back and MOD his game, to fix his vote. Meh)
 
He had some talk with Cory about Monk's opening post issues. 
 
Again the calling AJ(Hallia) 3rd party. Transferrence?
 
The digs at tommy over "yo" and tommy's funniness
 
Minor conversation with Golden about emotions and subbing
 
A couple of Fishlami digs. And additional FoSing of Csarmi(and Darthe) regarding the mafia lean request. In that post there is also mention of Csarmi and Darthe being on "a team" together. Didn't catch it earlier but it might have been a slip that he knew there were multiple anti-town factions. Now my take on multi factional games is that even tho the person may be not town they are also probably actually trying to at least locate the mafia so they can decide which team they are going to help or to eliminate them all if that is their wincon. After thinking about it a bit and reading the scene and flip again it looks like there would have been 2 survivor masons.  Would Mara Jade be the most likely candidate for his partner? 

 
Here is Turin's summary of Peace's posts.
 
Emphasized: Just an INCREDIBLY scummy move on Turin's part. Characterfishing much dude? Makes it pretty obvious he wants to judge reactions to this name drop so his team can keep from NKing that person.
 

The Turin/TG interaction
 
Turin: TG, does Nol/X flipping town change your view on Tina any? Tommy, does Nol/X flipping town change your perspective on Cory?

TG: Not really. Still scum lean

Turin (to Cory about Tom): Actually he explained WIL "want it less", but close enough.

Turin (to Tommy): Feel better Tommy

Turin: Lebowski Memefluff

 

So Turin asks TG and Tommy two diff associative tell-based questions- look how he handles his two targets however (TG and Tommy). TG responds that Nol/X's flip doesn't really change his view, a pretty sketchy thing to say really, but Turin doesn't follow up on it.

 

More importantly, Turin asking that question of TG in the first place looked way too much like a scum setup for a scumbuddy- trying to help make Tina look better possibly. The fact that Turin doesn't follow up on this considering TG's response looks pretty bad for him I think. This exchange def gives me a strong scum lean on Turin.

 

 

 

Well he didn't claim yet.

 
Well, CS makes this comment and then 2 hours later Despo comes in and, completely ignoring it, says...
 

 

what is X gonna say that he already hasn't? Seems a bit contrived Fishlami.

^^^ Pretty much how I feel as well. Personally not a fan of the "intent to hammer" thing. The person being lynched should already know when they are under duress of a lynch, so it's mostly a show for everyone else imo.

 

 
Despo even quotes the question from Peace that got a response from CS but ignores CS's response? 
 

There is a search button in the top right corner. you can use it for searching the thread. The best is if you just leave it empty and click on it, you get an advanced search then.

 
Once again, CS posts and then...
 

 

So, I'm going to assume there's no search mechanic, correct?

There is actually- search icon is in top right corner (not on DM mobile obv). Make sure youre in this thread when you click it so it will search this game only. You'll go to advanced search and can either iso posts from someone by filling their name in the "by author" slot (has to be exactly how their name is spelled), or you can search for keywords.

 

 
Minutes later Despo comes in and completely ignores CS's post, responding to the same question.  Despo pointedly ignoring CS.

 

Pretty turrible "scumhunting" from TG here. Salami saying X could have claimed has nothing to do with my feelings about the "intent to hammer" thing. I wasn't ignoring Salami's post, it wasn't relevant to what I was saying. The second thing is a simple case of me being ninja'd. Salami ninjas me all the time. Vurrrrrry scummy read from this post.

 

 

Cory, who on the train you think is mafia?

 
This ^. Your terribad explanation for voting me extends to "rubbing the wrong" way and fos'ing people with very little actual casing. Tommy, explain to me again how this guy is good?

 

This post was terrible. Turin didn't really make any point or anything against Cory, just asked a somewhat leading question.  GE trying to use it like it's pwnsauce is gross. I feel like GE has subtly buddied some of the town leaders this game, generally does a lot of this: "(quote from someone else) - THIS!" type thing.
 

1. Des - Makes a good point regarding char. claims not saving anyone.  Posted Tom Hiddleston gif (I LOVE THAT MAN. YES PLEASE!)  I have a hard time reading Des normally.  He doesn't seem to be super scummy, not flying off the handle or anything like that.  But Peace's read on him makes me leery.  Not sure for now.
 
4. Nol Xthrax, R2D2, Vanilla Town, lynched D1 - I would've voted him too, it did seem he was overreacting by dropping from game.  I sympathize with the whole gif spam thing though.

 

@ emphasized in-post contradiction
 

 

vote Tina
 
That Monk train is bad. Seriously bad.

 
I don't disagree. I dislike TG's vote.
 
I have town reads on Csarmi, Pral, SP and Turin, but not many beyond that.
 
Corey, your case lacks substance, laughing it off and refusing to answer my questions won't really win you very many town points.
 
Csarmi- beyond your "gut feeling" vote, please give me your top 3 town and scum reads. Everyone else is welcome to play as well.

 

Again, this whole "Everyone give top 3 reads" looks like an attempt by GE to look like he's being active in the scumhunt.

 

Also, potential distance alert in first line, and 3rd line as stated before is terrible cause he criticizes Cory for laughing off GE's response... when GE's response was to laugh off the case in the first place.
 

Pral, what do you think about Despo this game?  As far as breadcrumbing AJ(Hallia) as his partner; it could be a true slip, could be him laying a false link. That is why i said it is a pile of WIFOM. I am not ready to say it is one or the other at this time.  About Monk, I think that was a bunch of made up junk in many cases. Sort of setting him up to be Blackhoof of WF. 
 
I just read Tina and I don't really find much there. She was null on Nolder when he was getting run up hard. It would have been an easy vote to place if she was mafia even before he quit. Her posting about Csarmi wasn't showing her cards as others see it. Her vote on Monk is for what she characterizes as a slip where he interchanged mafia and town. Possible. I am leaning it was a mistake but I can see how she could see it otherwise.
 
My three non town reads at the moment are:
 
Des- for the bad csarmi case and the continued nudging at him. it looks like he is trying to force him into something. And his general wild flinging of FoS's all over without really being very dedicated to them.
 
Golden- subtle defense of Despo, He hasn't seemed too committed to his takes(except Csarmi which is null to me as it is coloured by emotion IMO) 
 
Cory- pushed the Nol/X train hard when it might have died out. stating that there had been enough info gathered on D1. Also what looks like over buddying with Tommy. To me he is looking a lot like Cloud in the Christmas mentors game.

 

Italics: Both soft defense of Tina as well as distancing from her in the form of /shrugging about the Monk train (which she's on)

 

Bold: Uh, what? Gonna have to back that up Turin. I have followed up on and continuously reraised new points the entire game, and have continuously stated how different events made me feel about those people. I call complete bullshanks on this excerpt.
 

unvote monk

 
 TG hops off the Monk train after Monk's character claim, doesn't say anything else (prob cause multiple people were calling out the train as scummy)
 

Cory- I asked you for a top 3 list. You're obviously avoiding it. How come?

 
#Dat fakescumhunting 

 

I´m here. 
 
Unvote
 
Fence sitting alert! I don´t like Monk´s early reveal. I´m aso quite sure that Basel has given out fake claims and from what I have seen of other mods recently they often give out some important characters. But... Han Solo could be an important person if he is in this game.
 
Will now begin my re-read. It will probably take a few hours.

WHAT THE EFF.

 

So Tina blindly accepts Salami's Ackbar character claim D1, even challenges others for not blindly accepting it, and then all of a sudden is talking about mod-given fake claims after her lynch target claims a MOAR IMPORTANT CHARACTER. So much scummy.

 

 

Okay, catchups done. Conclusions coming shortly.

[Niniel]

I´ve read up until page 32. Will continue tomorrow morning. Will comment on what I have until this point and then go back to defend myself from those who voted me. 

 

Des: starts with his ridiculous case on Csarmi. First he says that Cs is trying to distance from a nk since he said that he didn´t have a gun to shoot Des with. He also said it was scummy that Csarmi bandwagoned on Des. (I agreed about the last point.) At the same time he thought that Nolder´s vote on Cs was opportunistic and agreed with Tom´s reasons for voting Nolder. Then he says that Cs´s "don´t care if I look scummy" line was scummy since he could use it later in the game to defend himself. This was after Cs´s reveal. He tell´s me that he makes up cases all the time. That is as far as I know his only defense so far. Then he voted Nolder and said that he had seen that Cs was probably town but wanted to press him to see what reaction that would give. His scum list at that time is the same as mosts lists - Nolder, Darthe, Tina, TG and Monk. Monk had only one post by then. When Nolder left the game he voted TG instead but went back to X when others voted him. Then he thinks Cs starts to be scummy again since he helped Kronos. Then he fos me and SP for our reasons to suspect him.

 

I can´t help but make the same conclusion as on day 1. Des is making up a case on Csarmi. He can say that he makes up cases all the time all he wants. It still looks scummy. Saying that Cs looked town looked like backtracking since many had said he looked town by then. He basically sheeps other´s thoughs and then OMGUS fos me and SP. 

 

 

Darthe: didn´t say much. Voted Kronos because Kronos voted me because I said Cs was obviously town. Not much more to say about him so far.

 

Monk: I really, really don´t like the post where he voted me because that I didn´t stood out to him which was a town tell. Later he said he meant scum tell. If it wasn´t for the Han Solo claim my vote would be on him still.

 

Tommy: Mostly goes after Nolder and ask people questions. Look like town scum hunting like I have seen him in other games. He is suspicious of me since he think that Des makes up cases as both town and scum and because I didn´t mention Nolder. Later when I had answered him he thought that I looked more townie. While he was still suspicious of me he asked TG to move his vote on me to Nolder. He said that my lynch wouldn´t take off today. It feels a bit weird when I read it now. 

 

AJ: Voted X without reading the whole thread although the deadline wasn´t close. Seems like a strange move if scum. I don´t know. 

 

TG: His first post was a classic fence-sitting post. After Nolder has dropped out he says that it´s out of the question to lynch him until his replacement get the time to speak. In the same post he says that he is suspicious of Des and Monk. But only two posts later he answers Tom´s leading question that if Nolder is scum then I must be too. He could lynch either of us for info. And then he answered another leading question from Tom and said that I and Kronos tried to distance from each other. Then just a few posts later he voted me. Later he said that Nolder was scummy because of his game play and because of the Nolder/Tina/Kronos interaction

 

Wow! From suspecting Des and Monk and refusing to vote Nolder he posts just what he thinks Tom wants to hear and then suddenly I, Kronos and Nolder are mafia. Just following, or at least trying to buddy Tom. So scummy!

 

Turin: didn´t do much. Voted Nolder for forcing his meta. 

 

Csarmi: I still believe his claim. To be honest I don´t understand many of his posts but I don´t see the calculating, nice, calm scum Cs. 

 

Cory: I can´t get a grip of him. He is trying to play in some kind of symbiose with Tom. I can´t really see where he is sheeping, buddying or saying something of his own. 

 

Golden: didn´t post much. Voted Cs when it was popular. Voted X later and said he suspected me. 

 

Pral: didn´t post much. Said that Des was reaching. 

 

Kronos: Thought Csarmi´s claim was weird but since he had seen him do it before it was a null read. He voted me for the "obvious" comment. The he switched to Monk because of him voting me for the town tell. Town feeling on Kronos so far.

 

SP: Went after Monk and Des in a few posts. The rest is just spam. 

 

 

I´ll continue my re-read tomorrow morning. 

[Tommyrod]

Tina, I had to heartily chuckle at that catchup post. Basically: everyone but Salami and Kronos are scum candidates. OK.

[Niniel]

Actually, I´m too tired to go back and look for Des´s and Tom´s posts. Will do it tomorrow morning as well. 

 

 

 

 

I think I done plenty on D1 considering that yes my plan is to float around mostly. Maybe catch some scum in the process.
I pointed out stuff that stood out to me.
As for Nolder, you could see my stance on him.
Where should I have ended up voting?

...for someone you thought was scum?! You didn't vote for Golden, for Tina, for TG... all people you said were sketchtastic.

I was voting TG up to the point I intent'ed Nolder?
You wanna call me out because people decided they should hammer Nolder on the middle of the night? What's your point? I think its quite evident where I ended up isn't it?

Naw man, you can't use "intent to hammer" as evidence of where you ended up. That's a facile argument intended to misdirect.

 

 

Just saw this. Welcome to the game, Krak. Have you read the thread? Why don´t you comment on anything except going after Csarmi?

[Tommyrod]

Just saw this. Welcome to the game, Krak. Have you read the thread? Why don´t you comment on anything except going after Csarmi?

DEM HARD HITTING QUESTIONS

[Niniel]

Tina, I had to heartily chuckle at that catchup post. Basically: everyone but Salami and Kronos are scum candidates. OK.

 

No. I think I was unsure about most people. Scum = Des, TG, Monk, maybe Golden and Cory. 

[Tommyrod]

I don't understand what it is you think you're

 

Tina, I had to heartily chuckle at that catchup post. Basically: everyone but Salami and Kronos are scum candidates. OK.

 

No. I think I was unsure about most people. Scum = Des, TG, Monk, maybe Golden and Cory.

 

I think the only one that is even in the ballpark of reason right now is TG, which is pretty weak since you can see I'm already getting @ him in the thread.

 

Why Golden, exactly? Your post says this: "Golden: didn´t post much. Voted Cs when it was popular. Voted X later and said he suspected me. "

 

So you think he's scum for following consensus?

 

Care to make a more elaborate case for Golden being scum?

 

Cory and Monk seem like low hanging mislynch fruit, I have meta town reads on both of them that I wouldn't expect you DM guys to have, but you can take it to the bank nonetheless.

 

And I think you know where I stand on Des.

 

And how Des thinking Golden is scum fits with you thinking the two of them are scum? Think Des is just bussing for fun ITT?

[hazelkrs1]

 

Des who in your opinion either:

1) Jumped on the Nolder/X wagon without doing any #work

2) Ignored it entirely as if they knew he'd flip town and didn't want to get dirty

 

Okay so I wanted to come back to this post anyways since I think it's a pretty good setup for what I'm seeing and where I'll go now that rereads are done.

 

So one of the first people to come to mind that fits #1 would be AJ/Hallia, since he did come in and just blatantly bandwagon without even catching up all the way first. Honestly tho my read of his tone doesn't come off as that scummy. Willing to give Hallia some time to prove her towniness.

 

A TRULY good example would be Tina. Especially for not commenting on the Nol stuff early on, she blatantly ignored it which you even called her out for. So she qualifies for 1 and 2 imo. When she did join the wagon after he ragequit out, she said it was meta for him subbing out. She later backtracked from this, but left her vote there.

 

Another person who looks really sketchy from the whole affair, and fits these two statements is Turin. His second post of the game he tried bandwagoning onto Nol but failed the code. Didn't actively pressure Nol, like try and see who Nol's teammates might be. Just sat back with his meta read on Nol and let it happen. As for the second thing, he didn't ignore it, but def distanced from it at the same time that he was nudging it along- he kept talking about not wanting a quick lynch, but he never offered other real alternatives besides Nolder.

 

TG distanced from the lynch a good bit at first, even fos'ing me and you for our pushes on Nol, but later switched tack after Nol subbed out and he all of a sudden thought Nol was scummy. That looks sketchy as hell in hindsight.

 

Lastly I'll mention GE. He is prob the biggest example of #2 in the game- he's been plenty active, but also had the least bit to do with the Nol lynch pretty much. I feel he's been using his personal beef with Salami to hide behind meta a bit, to keep from commenting on other matters. He looks pretty scummy as well from his interaction with the Nol lynch.

 

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In summation I think we're looking at TTT being scum. And no, Tommy, I'm not talking about you lol.

 

Tina - tunneled on me most game for making a bad case on an obvious townie, a townie who is obvious according to her because he character claimed day 1, but now doesn't trust a character claim of a more significant character on day 2. Hasn't followed up with her reads well, has fallen prey to whyme fryme. Enough people seeing her as a good lynch is either telling of how scummy she looks, or perhaps her one saving grace (some of those who have voted/fos'd her also look scummy to me, and I've been wrong about Tina plenty of times in the past, as well as very recently).

 

TG - Did the most active distancing from the Nol lynch as anyone else. Has a bunch of fake scumhunting posts, seems like he ducks pressure from others a lot and tries to stay jokey, thinking he's starting to distance from his teammates as his reads have suddenly changed or come out of nowhere on some people

 

Turin - played both sides of the fence with the Nol lynch- joined the bandwagon easily without pushing it hard or pushing Nol to make sure or get info on possible teammates, and also distanced from the lynch somewhat by stressing multiple times that he was against a speedlynch. Has some strange interaction with other scum reads (has defended Tina multiple times, had a possible gambit setup post with TG, hasn't spoken of GE much at all)

 

Last big read I have atm is GE. I feel like he sheeped/buddied some powertown/leader type people early on, stayed away from a lot of the main discussion by always acting perturbed about Salami, all of a sudden stepped up his posting a ton when he was one of the common scum candidates for others, and is exhibiting some fake scumhunting type posts recently as well.

 

Bout to do a reads list on everyone.

[Niniel]

I will continue with my re-read tomorrow. I should have more clear reads by then. Those that plays with me a lot knows that my memory is really bad. (Really bad low/working memory.) That is why re-reads and notes are important for me. You need to understand that the post above is not "cases". It´s my notes and thoughts after reading half of the game. My thoughts will probably change after reading the second half. Probably not about Des though. 

 

About Golden: yes, just following along. No big scum read since he had posted so little until then. 

[Niniel]

That was  @ Tom. 

[Tommyrod]

Des I see you've already got TG as part of your solve but I'd love comments on the discussion I just had with TG when you have a chance.

 

Gonna read your post in full now.

[Niniel]

 

 

Des who in your opinion either:

 

1) Jumped on the Nolder/X wagon without doing any #work

 

2) Ignored it entirely as if they knew he'd flip town and didn't want to get dirty

 

Okay so I wanted to come back to this post anyways since I think it's a pretty good setup for what I'm seeing and where I'll go now that rereads are done.

 

So one of the first people to come to mind that fits #1 would be AJ/Hallia, since he did come in and just blatantly bandwagon without even catching up all the way first. Honestly tho my read of his tone doesn't come off as that scummy. Willing to give Hallia some time to prove her towniness.

 

A TRULY good example would be Tina. Especially for not commenting on the Nol stuff early on, she blatantly ignored it which you even called her out for. So she qualifies for 1 and 2 imo. When she did join the wagon after he ragequit out, she said it was meta for him subbing out. She later backtracked from this, but left her vote there.

 

Another person who looks really sketchy from the whole affair, and fits these two statements is Turin. His second post of the game he tried bandwagoning onto Nol but failed the code. Didn't actively pressure Nol, like try and see who Nol's teammates might be. Just sat back with his meta read on Nol and let it happen. As for the second thing, he didn't ignore it, but def distanced from it at the same time that he was nudging it along- he kept talking about not wanting a quick lynch, but he never offered other real alternatives besides Nolder.

 

TG distanced from the lynch a good bit at first, even fos'ing me and you for our pushes on Nol, but later switched tack after Nol subbed out and he all of a sudden thought Nol was scummy. That looks sketchy as hell in hindsight.

 

Lastly I'll mention GE. He is prob the biggest example of #2 in the game- he's been plenty active, but also had the least bit to do with the Nol lynch pretty much. I feel he's been using his personal beef with Salami to hide behind meta a bit, to keep from commenting on other matters. He looks pretty scummy as well from his interaction with the Nol lynch.

 

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In summation I think we're looking at TTT being scum. And no, Tommy, I'm not talking about you lol.

 

Tina - tunneled on me most game for making a bad case on an obvious townie, a townie who is obvious according to her because he character claimed day 1, but now doesn't trust a character claim of a more significant character on day 2. Hasn't followed up with her reads well, has fallen prey to whyme fryme. Enough people seeing her as a good lynch is either telling of how scummy she looks, or perhaps her one saving grace (some of those who have voted/fos'd her also look scummy to me, and I've been wrong about Tina plenty of times in the past, as well as very recently).

 

TG - Did the most active distancing from the Nol lynch as anyone else. Has a bunch of fake scumhunting posts, seems like he ducks pressure from others a lot and tries to stay jokey, thinking he's starting to distance from his teammates as his reads have suddenly changed or come out of nowhere on some people

 

Turin - played both sides of the fence with the Nol lynch- joined the bandwagon easily without pushing it hard or pushing Nol to make sure or get info on possible teammates, and also distanced from the lynch somewhat by stressing multiple times that he was against a speedlynch. Has some strange interaction with other scum reads (has defended Tina multiple times, had a possible gambit setup post with TG, hasn't spoken of GE much at all)

 

Last big read I have atm is GE. I feel like he sheeped/buddied some powertown/leader type people early on, stayed away from a lot of the main discussion by always acting perturbed about Salami, all of a sudden stepped up his posting a ton when he was one of the common scum candidates for others, and is exhibiting some fake scumhunting type posts recently as well.

 

Bout to do a reads list on everyone.

 

 

 

I´m almost asleep but I have to comment on this post as well. First - I never back tracked on Nolder. I just thought that my first post sounded a bit harsh. I didn´t want it to look like Nolder leaves whenever he is in danger of getting lynched. I still stand by that I have seen him get inactive/leave/get replaced in situations before though. And that was the reason I voted him. 

 

There is a difference because of Csarmi´s and Monk´s claims. Csarmi made a lie detect proof claim on day 1 without any reason at all. I have never seen someone do that as scum. I guess that is colouring my thoughts on the rest of his play but I just don´t see Csarmi as scum. I had a scum read on Monk before his claim and I guess it´s harder for me to accept his claim because of it. But, as you see, I have unvoted him. Still don´t know about him. 

 

Well, I´ll continue with this tomorrow. 

[hazelkrs1]

1. Des - town
2. Darthe Krak - townish read from Darthe's posts earlier in the game, so far not great stuff from Krak tho. Will need more to analyze.
5. Tina - scum
6. Monk - not sure if scum or derptown. Tommy's comparison of him to Hallia but with less sense makes me more than fine with lynching, but also willing to see if Monk actually starts to do some real #work
7. Tommy - town. Strongest town read throughout the game pretty much.
8. AJ Hally - initially felt scummish here, on reread notsomuch on AJ. Hallia's reads list post didn't seem terrible to me, and didn't seem to promote a scum agenda.
9. TG - scum
10. Turin - scum
11. Csarmi - townish. Have waffled on him several times, but overall on last read close to putting him as full town.
12. corycurren - town
13. GE - scum
14. Pral - town. OP was nice and genuine, has had the right tone when he has posted, hasn't been afraid to go against the grain but has also posted stuff I agreed with.
15. Kronos - townish, mainly due to inquisitive tone, and willingness to link himself to others in an obvious manner. 
16. SickPuppets - townish, pretty close to putting him in solid town as well after reread. He doesn't seem to be holding back like when he was the Traitor in a Simple Round, he's willing to call out any scumtell he sees.

 

Basically if I can flesh out the two replacements and Monk, I'll feel really good about everyone's position right now. Feel good about all my scum reads. If you're one of them, and you're town, convince me. I am willing to see the light if you but guide me. I did more than enough #work to prove my commitment to catching scum, if you still think I am...

 

[hazelkrs1]

Des I see you've already got TG as part of your solve but I'd love comments on the discussion I just had with TG when you have a chance.

 

Gonna read your post in full now.

 

Yeah I know I was getting ninja'd by a lot while finishing all these up. Too tired right now tho bro, will have to wait till later. Adios.

[Tommyrod]

I'm feelin it. I haven't done much Turin research myself but he's on my radar.

 

I'm thinking the lynch order should be Tina -> TG

 

We have about ~30 hours to secure the D2 lynch?

 

Would like to see more posts on Tina

[Tommyrod]

More *votes on Tina

[Cory Caboose]

Tom keep letting them think they can mislynch me ;)

[Tommyrod]

Tom keep letting them think they can mislynch me ;)

MORE VOTES ON CORY PLEASE

[Cory Caboose]

Cory's scum guys

[Tommyrod]

Vote count:

 

Des (1) Turin

monk (1) SP

Tommy (1) krak

Tina (4) Pray, des, tommy, Cory

 

Not voting everyone else

 

with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

DL is Wed. Feb. 12th at 10 PM EST.

14 living players

 

Only half have voted

 

29 hours left

 

MUST BE A SCUM WAGON

[hazelkrs1]

#Dat feeling when you finish all your wot's and you can close out of like 11 open tabs at once