[Basic] Can't We All Just Get Along? - a Mafia event by Despothera - Game Over

[amegakure]

and yes verbal i did :) because i missed you soooo much

[michellem]

o there where things that pinged but when i started my post i couldnt remember the correct reason.. and i was tired. if i get a chance today i will go back and see if i can see again

 

 

So unless i have stated a reason ingore the empty quotes with names. not relevant

 

 

Well in that case I'd like to see why you find me, X and Leelou suspicious, as the only quotes with reasons I could see in your posts was Verbals.

 

And also, there's really no use in quoting and FoSing dead players... Cloud and Vos are both dead by now.

[amegakure]

oh dear science.. excuse the poorly constructed sentences.. ill make sure to proof read my responses before i post them. 

[Verbal32]

and yes verbal i did :) because i missed you soooo much

 

But you can't include me making a spiderman derail joke as part of a casing on me.  It completely diminishes the validity of the attempt.  I'm down with being cased, but I'm not down with trying to include blatantly obvious jokes into it.  I post Spidey pics....a lot.  Especially early in games.

 

And on the Cloud bit - if you're going to quote me "twisting" his words, make sure you quote where he agreed with me on it being taken that way.  ;-)

[AVM]

I'm lost. 

 

Congratulations.  You've contributed as much as I have, less than Darthe (srs wtf?) and less than the guy that just replaced Darthe.

 

@Amega:  dude, you're including my Spiderman derail joke from 9 days ago?  When the game was in full-on joke mode?  Okay.  Good luck with that.  Read X's above post, as it is pretty spot on regarding you.

 

[amegakure]

Verbal as an ovbious joke on my part your seem rather concerned about the joke. And i dont care that cloud agreed i looked at it from both sides. And I dont agree with what you said. and thats not the only time you targeted cloud. I believe i had two different quotes i pointed out.

 

AvM what exactly have you contributed? I just got here. youve been laying low alot.. 

[Verbal32]

Bleh.  I don't like your angle on taking a subjective back & forth with myself and a dead townie.  It reeks of opportunism.  And considering the way Darthe had been playing before (hint: avoiding pretty much every question), this talk from you increases my level of suspicion.

 

Tickle Amega

 

I suggest you finish catching up.

[amegakure]

im not darthe. Using him as a reason for a vote. is exactly that. opportunism. Pretty scummy but im not gonna vote you cause even with those reasons i not entirely sure of your guilt. Keep your vote on me if you wish. I do not mind.

 

Mish. i never fos'd cloud or vos. I used cloud for examples of what players where doing. I believe ive already stated what ive thought about x. And i will gladly get take a look at you and leelou.  

[AVM]

Verbal as an ovbious joke on my part your seem rather concerned about the joke. And i dont care that cloud agreed i looked at it from both sides. And I dont agree with what you said. and thats not the only time you targeted cloud. I believe i had two different quotes i pointed out.

 

AvM what exactly have you contributed? I just got here. youve been laying low alot.. 

 

I replaced someone and haven't contributed anything of note yet.  I was pointing out that peace, who has been here the whole game, had nothing but an "I'm confused" post. 

[Leelou]

Just popping in to say I'll be around in the morning. Today is taking longer than I thought it would.

[amegakure]

Full list of reads:

 

X - newbie town, I haven't seen anything from him that pings; he's answered the pressure he's gotten well.

AJ - leaning mafia, already explained.

Verb - null to town, always hard to read D1, but his game-posts have been good.

Leelou - strong town read.. why?

Hallia - null to slight mafia, her vote on me was bad, and I find it hard to believe she didn't find anything else to comment on when she was catching up.

Peace - null, hasn't done anything to give me vibes either way yet

Cloud - mafiamcmafia.

Vos - Null, he's had some posts that's slightly pinged me, but I don't see him and Cloud being on a team.

Dora - Mafia, Tried to push attention over on others when getting pressure, and then going quiet. She took a loa? Scummy

Darthe - Null, had his "cloud is scum"-post without explanation, want to see more posts plz.

Pral - null to slight town lean, I want to see more posts, but his lists of reads seemed consistent.

overall i dont care for the reads on this those two stand out though

 

 

Cloud started off as grumpy-face, then quickly turned it around and started buddying me... I know people were still joking only, but it stuck out to me now.

This is weak reasoning. You know that I was just having some fun.

 

Complains of no gameplay. Doesn't offer to start anything though; just mumbling to look good.

More weak reasoning. My observation was spot on, and I was one of the first to actually attempt to start this game up. You are saying that I just said that to look good, but can you prove that this is true? No, of course you can’t because it’s the same thing as calling someone a helpful townie which you do in the next few examples:

 

Oh look, helpful townie interested in learning as much as possible to help town. /sarcasm

You should discard the idea of a helpful townie being a scumtell because it isn’t and even if you by any chance happen to be right about someone only acting like a helpful townie to gain town cred you can’t even prove it. It is a baseless accusation that anyone can throw at someone and it remains a loss-loss situation for me

Anyway, to get back to the point I thought my question was actually pretty good and even Despo commented on it saying that he was waiting for someone to ask it.

 

really don't like Vos' following on X's train... But it does tell me that it's pretty unlikely Cloud and Vos are teammates, and that's something.

You are right that Vos and me can’t be scum-scum the same way Vos and X can’t be scum-scum. Your reasoning for FoSing Vos however isn’t pro-town as you blame him for trying to start the game up, while just before you were accusing me of not attempting to do this when I complained about all the fluff that was going on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

X was at 3 votes, and Cloud wanted to push Darthe to place a fourth... Why? According to himself the train on X was to get the game started; you'd think three votes were enough for that... Pingy.

What reason did Darthe have to withhold his vote from X at the point if they weren’t teammates? The answer is none. That is why I asked Darthe why he isn’t voting for X, and instead of doing so he started pushing for a happy ending. And it is debatable if 3 votes on a player would be enough to force people to start posting game related thoughts. I didn’t plan to speedlynch him and I knew that he was safe from being lynched by the mafia if he was town.

 

"Oh look, helpful townie".

It’s funny how you are now accusing me of being a helpful townie when you noticed that I have gotten some pressure and yet you were more than happy back then to parrot my reasoning for why going for a no lynch is against the spirit of the game.

 

I too wish you'd elaborate on this Darthe...

“Oh look, I will post the same remark a dozen people before did already. That should help the town out!”

 

Blue: Subtle buddying of me... Tsk, no likey.

Wow so now you are accusing me of buddying you because I said that I liked your post which is a pure gameplay statement and not an indication that I was trying to get in your good graces whatsoever? With that logic you are now buddying up to Leelou for saying that you liked her post. Your entire case on me ridiculous and you made it obvious that you are mafia by writing it.

 

So Cloud said he had a null read on X, but keeps his vote on him, making him stay the leading train for a very long time.

Please do tell me how you expected X to be lynched based on absolutely nothing.

 

 

And here he finally answers X... And says X wasn't going to get lynched anytime soon. How did he now? He could have woken up to find X lynched during the night and and then it'd be partially his responsibility for keeping a vote on X without even thinking him mafia. He could only know that... If he knew parts of the mafia were already on the lynch and no townies had shown alot of interest in the train. Ping.

Lol. See my answer to your previous accusation ^

 

And now he's willing to lynch X... But he said he doesn't find X scummy, and does nothing to explain why he's willing to lynch him now.

 

 

anyone wanna explain X?

In my opinion, he's asking a million questions to practically anybody that mentions his name. I see this mostly as a scum smokescreen to distract. How he follows up will reveal much about his intentions.

 

I agree. He is also posting a ton of information but hardly any analysis to accompany his reads. He also seems to be parotting me about Vos which I don't feel comfortable with.

 

The next time you are mafia and are trying to get me lynched at least put in the effort to read all my posts.

 

Mafia team; AJ, Cloud, Dora.

You kept saying how you had no read on people and now all of a sudden you feel so sure about yourself that you pegged the entire mafia team? I’m not buying it.

 

 

I pretty much agree with everything cloud had to say here. this case was weak. 

 

 

 

It's called a reread, Cloud dear. It puts things into perspective. I said I'd give reads when I had them, and I did.

 

And apparantly I hit too close to home, because that whole post reeked of desperation.

 

 

 

My whole post reeked of logic. Logic which you didn't manage to disprove and instead chose to take the easy way out and accuse me of being desperate in the hope that it will stick. You are obvscum to me, dear souvra

 

And seriously Leelou and Peace, how the hell can you guys keep a straight face when you say that her case on me was good?

 

desperation.. in what way cloud has probably been the most level headed person with consistent posts all game.

 

 

 

So killing you will confirm our setup?

honestly... im replacing him and i have no idea why he would say this... 

 

Well I can't say that was a suprise... Seriously Cloud? Silly brother.

 

Hmmm... Eeeney meeney miney mo, where should my tickle go?

 

Tickle Dora

why? You succeeded with the cloud lynch and then start theo's

 

 

 

Cloud is VT and and Vos is a bodyguard. We could've really used him around. And Darthe is a some kind of princess with a girly hat?

 

That's his personal RL meta, I hear.

 

 

 

 

 

I am a VT - you will make a mistake following Mish, as this is following (look at Hallia's change of votes). She has been tunneling me since post 1 and I do not understand how my actions could be so misinterpeted. I asked for some LOA due to personal reasons (explained) and how come that should be scummy.

 

Whilst Mish jumped onto Cloud (confirmed VT) and then onto me with the same determination, stating some bogus reasons, which ,y simple LOA, not lurking explains.

 

Tickle Mish

 

Tunneling is focusing on one player and that one player only, wich I haven't done. I am following up on my scum reads. Using buzz words against me won't turn me into mafia.

 

And are you still using the "this person went after that town person"-argument? I thought you'd understood after the Walking Dead mafia that that is a BS argument. Townies go after townies all the time. I was wrong about Cloud, but he dug his own grave too.

 

And I don't have a bogus reason. I've stated my reasons before. You got defensive, trying to defend yourself with self-meta, you then tried to push attention over to the people questioning you, and then you disappeared. The only reason I've seen you give as to why you'd be away was on Friday; nothing before that.

 

 

Pretty heavy OMGUS from Dora there, and a healthy dose of pro-town response from Mish.  Solid town on Mish, and leaning further towards scum on Dora.

 

Everybody has checked in now, so I'm ok with a vote to put Dora at L-1.

 

Tickle Dora

 

jumps in with the l2 vote on theo the second person to claim vanilla. verb pays not attention and gets another townie lynched. attempted vetting of mish.

 

I wonder if those who voted me during the night dare say so? (If we are allowed @MOD).

 

Cause Im thinking the mafia probably would have voted me, hoping something bad would happen to me.

why would you think that? is this an attempt to try and distance yourself from the mafia team. 

 

 

on my full read through i have a town read on X he didnt like his vote on theo and was unfortunatly the hammer but i dont believe intentionally. 

 

Also i apologize for my ignorance i didnt realize that nervos was vos. I see how that might have been confusing.. ignorance on my part for not thoughly reading before i started. 

 

i still think leelou is suspect but i dont have any tangible evidence to impart as of now. 

 

Tickle mish   

[amegakure]

 

Verbal as an ovbious joke on my part your seem rather concerned about the joke. And i dont care that cloud agreed i looked at it from both sides. And I dont agree with what you said. and thats not the only time you targeted cloud. I believe i had two different quotes i pointed out.

 

AvM what exactly have you contributed? I just got here. youve been laying low alot.. 

 

I replaced someone and haven't contributed anything of note yet.  I was pointing out that peace, who has been here the whole game, had nothing but an "I'm confused" post. 

 

ah yes.. that would be why you havent contributed.. i apologize

[amegakure]

whats the qoute for spoiler tags or the way to put qoutes in them. As these post reach rather large lengths

[Xthrax]

 

Theo reponse to Mish and to the rest of the suspicion was OMGUS's. Didn't really feel Town though kinda like a last ditch attempt. I agree with putting her at L1

 

Tickle Theo

 

I'm trying to decide whether this is rookie mistake or well placed scum ploy to look like a rookie mistake.

 

Was a honest rookie mistake. Didn't really know about the last vote being hammer. I had asked Des to change it, wouldn't do that if I intended

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

Amega, man you are missing a lot of stuff that happened in between. If you had read the thread, you'd have seen there was a lot of fluff and nothing to go on. I have dont try and teach me this game.. ive played before.. and i quite well at ready and picking out fluff.

 

Bold-How did I crash? like really i have to break this down? you gave a list of the worst possible suspects before you crashed... Aka went to sleep. i thought it was sneaky. prevalance should have played a role. There wasn't anything to go on. The first step was AJ and Cloud beginning to wagon people albeit me to force reactions. So if you read closely, there were reads based on every part of serious game play that happened. yes they did and think they could have been right. 

 

Italics-How did anyone seem to be manipulating words then. Like I said, you're basically picking posts randomly completely out of context. If you read the earlier part, Verbal asked Cloud whether he thought I was scummy based on what Cloud had spoken in response to me saying that Peace was just parroting his vote based on others. He totally twisted what cloud had said. I can bring up the quote by itself if you like. As i have played with verbal albeit a while in the past i know he good at too.

 

Bold Again-Again if you read up, you'd have seen that at that time the only reason stated was to just gauge reactions, not 'cause I was the newest. Again if you read through my post, do go through the part where I said that-what a few people have said sounds scummy. In my book that seems the same as telling it pings. Also not much gameplay still going on.

 

All I have to say to you man, is to read the entire thread probably. I advice you to start from page 7, I think that where from there was serious game play. i quite aware i read all 7 pages.. then continued on to read up the point where i stopped so i could adrress the problems i saw.

 

 

Woah defensive much.

Never said I was trying to teach you the game. Just pointed out that you were missing a lot of stuff and there was a lot of fluff to begin with. Pray do tell if you were so apt at picking fluff out, how come you were calling out my reads which were based on the little game play at that time.

 

Like I said again, there wasn't any game going on then much. Never said that it was a list of suspects. Dude, I crashed 'cause I was tired and it was late at night. So if you miss out 'cause you fell asleep-Would you suspect yourself as scummy.

 

What did you even mean by that sentence. They could've been right-right about what? I said they were forcing reactions to see how players stood-So are you agreeing with me or something else?

 

I can see Verb's quote too, didn't look very suspicious to me. I dunno as this is my first game with Verb.

 

All this seems very suspicious to me especially your sudden hard defense. I still giving you enough time to catch up-do so before you make strong claims.

[amegakure]

X i have already stated with my current thoughts on this game. i dont find you scummy. And telling you not to teach me the game is in no way a defensive strategy. I dont see how that would affect anything. And at the time i said they could have been right about putting votes on you. At this point in time you no longer seem like a scum threat. 

 

And it wasnt so much fluff. it was the fact that you chose to post rather neutral reads and then the following day FOS the rest. Wouldnt the potential scum read be a priority to impart on us first? 

[Xthrax]

Good.

 

In case you didn't notice how I and most people posted our reads, we used the player list that Des had put up in the first few posts. The first few in that list didn't seem scummy and after a few I went to sleep. The rest on the list seemed scummy.

[hazelkrs1]

Official Tickle Count:

 

 

 

Amega (1): Verbal

Mish (1): Amega 
 
Not Tickling (6): Xthrax, AVM, Hallia, Peace, Mish, Leelou
 
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to Tickle

Day 3 deadline

 

I wonder if those who voted me during the night dare say so? (If we are allowed @MOD).

 

Cause Im thinking the mafia probably would have voted me, hoping something bad would happen to me.

 

I don't mind if yall share who you hugged during the night (or lying about who you hugged )

[Verbal32]

im not darthe. Using him as a reason for a vote. is exactly that. opportunism. Pretty scummy but im not gonna vote you cause even with those reasons i not entirely sure of your guilt. Keep your vote on me if you wish. I do not mind.

 

Mish. i never fos'd cloud or vos. I used cloud for examples of what players where doing. I believe ive already stated what ive thought about x. And i will gladly get take a look at you and leelou.  

 

That is crazy-talk.  If the original player is scummy and people want to lynch him, you don't ignore that if his replacement comes in and doesn't act scummy.  Maybe you're playing it better than he did?  All kinds of logical explanations for the change in behavior -- but you can't ignore the original behavior from the original player.  Again, that is crazy-talk.

[Leelou]

I'm no where near finished, but I'm going through Hallia now. 

 

This is what I would call Hallia's first real post: 

 

 

 

 

I cannot put a vote when I have any reads on 3 people out of 12 fluffing around. You already have to know my style, I don't like to rush into conclusions Day 1. These were not the suspects list but the list of players I could read something in this game.

Vos, what are your observations so far of the people involved?

 

 

How do you expect him to know your style when you've played, what, 1 game together?

I've played 1 game with you and I don't know your style. Especially since you were a third party there. Self meta defense from slight pressure by only one player.... I think someone is ticklish!

 

Tickle Dora

 

 

As I'm catching up, this was the main thing to stick out to me.

 

It didn't seem like Theo's post had anything to do with expecting her to know anyone's playstyle, and didn't see a meta defense here.

I think Theo's town right now, she really was the first to throw down some hard reads and try to kickstart the game.

That and I like tickling my fellow Greens, teheeee!

 

 

Untickle Leelou

Tickle Mish 

 

Then she unvotes when she is called out on her reasoning being wrong and it was technically after deadline. 

 

 

Just got home, and catching up.  I did miss that Mishy, you are correct, and thank you for pointing it out! 

 

Untickle Mishymishzorz

 

Next day, another vote on Mish

 

 

I'm a sunburned Hally ; . ;  

 

@Cloud - Let's wagon some people to force reactions. I don't see this game progressing out of this downward spiral unless we make it 

 

I wish you could rearrange posts to be in the order you want them to be in >.<  This one is linked because it makes me favor AJ as town.  Pre-Cloud explosion he was interested in working with a now known town in order to look for reactions. Orrrr it could be buddying.  See more below, but it's one factor in making me believe either AJ or Mish is scum.  The other is town.   I'm leaning AJ as town.

 

 

 

(That moment when it was Cloud that died    )

 

 

Also, cloud is my top mafia pick atm, but not bothering with that.

Also suspicious of Darthe for this.

 

Cloud - sounds too desperate to understand why Darthe claims he was scum + sucking up to the Mod how no Lynch might hurt Despo's hard work and feelings. This pings to me

 

Unvote AJ

 

Joke vote time is over.

Considering my opninion on AJ, and Cloud's flip this makes me feel that Theo can also be mafia.  

 

Look, it's easy - town wants time and as many posts (not fluff) so to make their mind. Mafia knows already who town is and will try to distort this. Everything that pings is a track.

 

Cloud, why so overdeffensive?

 

For a normal game I disagree, but this game, I don't see fluff-posting being a tell one way or the other, and another nudge on Cloud.

 

 

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum.  I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable.  Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

 

I'm leaning town on town. 

 

Feeling good about Leelou for town with this post.

 

It's called a reread, Cloud dear. It puts things into perspective. I said I'd give reads when I had them, and I did.

And apparantly I hit too close to home, because that whole post reeked of desperation.

 

 

My whole post reeked of logic. Logic which you didn't manage to disprove and instead chose to take the easy way out and accuse me of being desperate in the hope that it will stick. You are obvscum to me, dear souvra 

 

Weird how Theo and Mish both call Cloud desperate, mayhaps a word being tossed about on their QT?

 

Theres no way he's town. S townie wouldnt wanna risk outting a pr, or worry about staying alive. A real vt would take the lynch and accept that mislynches on a vt is thr next best thing town can hope for d1.

The above post and below post are completely strange.  You go from saying there is no way Cloud is town, to -

Well I can't say that was a suprise... Seriously Cloud? Silly brother.

 

Hmmm... Eeeney meeney miney mo, where should my tickle go?

 

Tickle Dora 

Not being surprised?  And then votes Dora with a seemingly random reason.  

 

Tickle Mish   

 

Unvotes Mish again as soon as she's called out:

 

Ahhh, ok.  That makes more sense then Mishy, though the eenie meenie thingy made it seem to me that it was random, so I'm content to go with my second pick for now!

 

Untickle Mishy

 

Tickle Theo

 

And now she's basically disappeared. She was going to give more reasons for why she thought Theo was scummy, but never supplied quotes or more reasoning than mentioned in the quote above this one. 

 

Not getting the best feeling from her after looking over her posts. I still need to go through more players. 

[peacesells]

TICKLE AMEG

[amegakure]

oh look peace is parroting again and cant even supply a reason. I suppose your going with verbals broken case?

[Leelou]

Darthe/Amega:

 

Starting with Darthe: 

 

He started with a lot of fluff in the beginning, he tried to sound impressive and came off crazy, pushed for the "happy ending", says Cloud is his only scum read:

 

 

To cloud: It makes sense to in this game, a happy ending has happened before, and it strikes me as entirely too fitting to not happen in this setup.  Mafia will do it because it is an assured victory for them and, if they are sourpusses, it only helps us as much as it hurts them.  

 

@Leelou, did you not read the happy ending?

 

 

Also, cloud is my top mafia pick atm, but not bothering with that.

 

Darthe was asked numerous times to explain his read, he posted a few times and ignored the questions. He gave a few reads, but it felt a bit forced. 

 

 

Mafia between Verb and Nerv, Mish/Leelou are town, Peace and hally are as well if I had to guess.  

 

He asked to be replaced in Night 2. 

 

Amega: 

 

I'm not quoting your huge quote blocks. I'm going to address a few points though: 

 

1. Everyone was basically giving reads in order of the list of players early on. 

2. I don't see the manipulation by Verbal on Cloud's posts. Cloud even agreed that his wording wasn't clear: 

 

 

And your response to Peace, which strongly suggests that due to Peace not posting a reason, X is just pulling some reason he thinks is good out of his @$$. Seems like suggesting something scummy to me. Am I misinterpreting your intentions in your post?

Ah I now understand how you came to that conclusion. Yes you are misinterpreting me although I have to say that it is most likely due to me not being clear enough in my wording. It was meant as a poke at Peace for not providing any reasoning for his votes, and then calling out other people for misinterpreting him. It was easy to interpret Peace’s vote on X as mere bandwagoning and I wasn’t implying that X was pulling accusations out of his ass, but instead told Peace that X is free to believe what he thinks is true if he doesn't provide any reasoning.

 

3. I agree AVM is not posting as much, but he was just scum in my game and was post happy. I've seen him both post happy and laying low as town and scum, so it's a null for me. I would like to gauge his play against AJ's because I had a scummish lean on AJ. 

4. 

 

im not darthe. Using him as a reason for a vote. is exactly that. opportunism. Pretty scummy but im not gonna vote you cause even with those reasons i not entirely sure of your guilt. Keep your vote on me if you wish. I do not mind.

 

Mish. i never fos'd cloud or vos. I used cloud for examples of what players where doing. I believe ive already stated what ive thought about x. And i will gladly get take a look at you and leelou.  

 

That is a very scummy statement. Darthe's play has been questionable all game, just because you replaced him doesn't mean suspicion should automatically go away. I've seen people replace in as scum and make everything think the scummiest player in the game was town and coasted to end game. 

 

I don't feel comfortable with you at all. More so than Hallia and she is just coasting. I've been leaning scum on Darthe and your posts really haven't done much to sway me. 

 

tickle Amega

[Leelou]

I want to go through a few more players that were sticking out to me, but it's going to have to wait until this afternoon/tonight. 

[amegakure]

heehee go for it!