[Basic] Can't We All Just Get Along? - a Mafia event by Despothera - Game Over

Pralaya · February 5, 2014

1. Darthe - So the only reason why people are voting him is because he suggested "happily ever after" setup? Nothing suspicious in it. Town read.
2. Xthrax - I like his response to the votes on him. It does not go too over in the defensive territory nor in the offensive zone. Based on his posts so far, have a town read on him. His train is just meh.
3. AJ - First it was a nudge vote on Xthrax and now a similar one on Mish. His reasoning on Leelou in his previous post seems opportunistic because thats what Leelous does in every game. So is his vote on Mish. Mish going carefree on Day 1 is a town mish. Looks like he is pushing the buttons to create alternate trains on Day 1 . Scum read.
4. Halliapoopoohead - Her last few posts seems fine. While she is voting Mish with similar reasons as AJ, her votes fits with what she usually does. Null/ slight town read
5. Peace - some fluff, one train vote and one good post on his reason for vote. For now town but worth looking in the future
6. Theo - Got the game started and her hesitation in voting someone seems genuine. Town read
7. Pray - Town read !
8. Cloud - Has been active giving out reads and getting the game started. His posts have been well reasoned and to the point. Voted xthrax at the start of the serious game period which seems fine given the time when it was made. Town read
9. Mish - See andrej. Town read
10. Vos - Nudge, nudge, nudge. He has nudged xthrax, nudged Cloud, fos'ed mish, Not definitive but slight scum read
11. Verb - Not much to go on here. Null
12. Leelou - Typical Leelou day 1. A post of reads on all players (just like this one) and fos on players with low post count. Null

So, the two trains right now kinda suck. I would look at Andrej or Vos where I can definitely see a scum

tickle Andrej

Pralaya · February 5, 2014

There IS a deadline now btw- link for that is here

Deadline at 6:30 AM for me :sammy: :sammy: Yet again when I can't be available to consolidate.

hazelkrs1 · February 5, 2014

There IS a deadline now btw- link for that is here

Deadline at 6:30 AM for me Yet again when I can't be available to consolidate.

Inorite?!?!

I wish all of humanity could be condensed into the same timezone- that way setting deadlines as a mod would be so freaking easy.

#goodideas

Leelou · February 5, 2014

One thing odd for Lee would be the whole post amount. The first what 10 pages were nothing but fluff? It's kind of irrelevant at the moment.

I don't see why that is so odd. We had just a bit over a day (27ish hours) until deadline and you guys were in with the lowest post counts. Pral was all fluff until that point, you didn't post anything game related by that point and AJ was the only one I got a bit of a read on because he posted more than just fluff.

AJ - saying my post count is inflated with fluff, well yeah. But I've been serious in the game since listing my reads. I've spammed a little here and there, but that's just me.

I'm going to start ISO'ing everyone soon and get more in depth reads. Not really going anywhere in the snow so I'll be around all day.

Pralaya · February 5, 2014

There IS a deadline now btw- link for that is here

Deadline at 6:30 AM for me Yet again when I can't be available to consolidate.

Inorite?!?!

I wish all of humanity could be condensed into the same timezone- that way setting deadlines as a mod would be so freaking easy.

#goodideas

Or you can just push it back 5 hours :)

Andrej · February 5, 2014

1. Darthe - So the only reason why people are voting him is because he suggested "happily ever after" setup? Nothing suspicious in it. Town read.

2. Xthrax - I like his response to the votes on him. It does not go too over in the defensive territory nor in the offensive zone. Based on his posts so far, have a town read on him. His train is just meh.

3. AJ - First it was a nudge vote on Xthrax and now a similar one on Mish. His reasoning on Leelou in his previous post seems opportunistic because thats what Leelous does in every game. So is his vote on Mish. Mish going carefree on Day 1 is a town mish. Looks like he is pushing the buttons to create alternate trains on Day 1 . Scum read.

4. Halliapoopoohead - Her last few posts seems fine. While she is voting Mish with similar reasons as AJ, her votes fits with what she usually does. Null/ slight town read

5. Peace - some fluff, one train vote and one good post on his reason for vote. For now town but worth looking in the future

6. Theo - Got the game started and her hesitation in voting someone seems genuine. Town read

7. Pray - Town read !

8. Cloud - Has been active giving out reads and getting the game started. His posts have been well reasoned and to the point. Voted xthrax at the start of the serious game period which seems fine given the time when it was made. Town read

9. Mish - See andrej. Town read

10. Vos - Nudge, nudge, nudge. He has nudged xthrax, nudged Cloud, fos'ed mish, Not definitive but slight scum read

11. Verb - Not much to go on here. Null

12. Leelou - Typical Leelou day 1. A post of reads on all players (just like this one) and fos on players with low post count. Null

So, the two trains right now kinda suck. I would look at Andrej or Vos where I can definitely see a scum

tickle Andrej

Let's revisit this a bit. Your statements here aren't really factual and are mostly just contrived of buzzwords. I nudged at X? False. I told cloud we should wagon some people to force reactions and followed him onto the train. I have been busy since and didn't ask him any questions personally. I also never tried to sway anyone onto his wagon. How is this nudging? Also, you're defining a lot of your reads by 'typical' play. What is typical about Lee's posts and how am I being opportunistic? That was an extremely vague statement. What's carefree about Mish's play? How does my vote on her look opportunistic when you later state my reasons are similar to Hallia's but you have a town read on her? Also, how am I setting up counter wagons when X has been the largest so far, which I have been on, until last night when I switched to Mish. Who am I counter wagoning for?

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

Whole thing still smells like ping-pong to me.

I will quote all the times I said that I didn’t find X scummy:

Vos do you really have a scum read on X?

@Verbal: I never said that I found X scummy.

I’m defending him for his first post because I didn’t find anything scummy about it.

His response to the train on him didn't seem scummy

And yet after reading all these statements from me you chose to attack me by deliberately misreading what I said? That my friend is scummy.

I’m defending him for his first post because I didn’t find anything scummy about it. I didn’t choose him to be the train because I had a scum read on him; I did it because he is the least experienced player in this game and I wanted to see how he would react to pressure and then figure out if he is town or scum based on those reactions. His response to the train on him didn't seem scummy to be although I did get the feeling that his jokingly response seemed forced, but I can be easily mistaken in that as I haven’t played with him before and I don’t know him at all. I have him as a null read at the moment. I'm asking you all these questions because I'm interested in reading your answers.

So. Let me get this straight.

You voted X to see how he reacted to a vote

To decide if he was scum or not

And then he reacted

But you have no idea what to make of it because you haven't played with him before.

Pingpingpingpingpong.

When you quoted me you skimmed over the sentence where I said that the way he jokingly responded to the train on him seemed forced to me, and chained the previous sentence where I said I voted for him to see how he would react to the train on him with the sentence where I said that I can be easily mistaken about his jokingly tone because this is the first time I have played with him. It should have been clear what I said to everyone who actually had an interest to read what I had to say instead of only searching for a way to paint me as scum.

Read more like scrambling than a genuine question. It's too leading, and you already gave the answer, so again - unsure why you are nagging to get an answer. You already know that's not what I meant. Unless there is another question I missed somewhere I haven't answered?

Yes, It was a genuine question and I was also biased in my opinion when I asked you that but does it matter? You said that you hoped X would have reacted more by for example making some sort of comments on the three of us. What sort of comments did you expect from him when there wasn’t any gameplay going on? What could he have responded with that he already didn't do for you to get a town read on him? You first say that I already gave the answer, and then you start defending yourself and accusing me of misinterpreting you on purpose by saying that I should have known that you didn’t mean it like that. So which one is it? You can’t have it both ways. And finally how am I supposed to know what you did or did not mean if you don’t write it down in a post? I can’t read your mind dude. You are accusing me of things you are clearly guilty of doing yourself which is hypocritical. You defended yourself in the exact same way in the Blood Moon game where you were mafia.

Tickle Vos

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

anyone wanna explain X?

Are you going to answer my question why you had a scum read on me a couple of pages go? And there isn't anything to explain about X's train because it wasn't based on anything. You should know this.

Verbal32 · February 5, 2014

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

I have already responded to this. What sense would it make for me to accuse X of making up accusations against Peace and then proceed to defend him in my next couple of posts?

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

Btw I'm still catching up if that wasn't clear.

Leelou · February 5, 2014

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

I'm leaning town on town.

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

He proceeds to defend my subsequent posts, saying that he wanted to basically see my reactions to the vote. He says he has a null read on me and also replies to Verbal that he didn't call me or Peace scummy but was telling Peace how if he didn't provide a reason, I could guess upon any reason I chose to.

A question for Cloud-if your read on me is scummy and if you don't feel I'm scummy, Why are you still voting for me? So for a read a mix of both sides-but leaning scummy.

See X also understood what I said regarding Peace and I haven't heard about anyone else besides you and Vos accusing me of attacking X in that way.

And to answer your question: Does it matter where I choose to place my vote if I don't have a clear scum read yet? I had a null read on you so it was a good place as any. You weren't going to get lynched anytime soon because of the train that was building up on you.

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

^ The first part was in response to Verbal.

Verbal32 · February 5, 2014

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

I have already responded to this. What sense would it make for me to accuse X of making up accusations against Peace and then proceed to defend him in my next couple of posts?

I know you did - I even noted that in my post.

Leelou · February 5, 2014

Okay, I've started ISO's. Many posts coming up as I go through the posts.

Darthe:

Overly fluffy, hasn't proclaimed anyone town or scum. Talks about the "Happy Ending" scenario, votes no lynch. His only scum read he's shared is Cloud, hasn't said why or given any other reads. Nor has he followed this up his read with a vote. Avoided answering Cloud's questions.

Choosing for a happy ending is basically declaring a draw without even giving the game a chance to properly start. It's disrespectful both towards Despo who is trying his best to mod an entertaining game, and to the rest of the players who signed up to play mafia. I also don't see what it has to do with this setup other than the fact that we have 12 players which is an even number.

And how come I am your top mafia pick? I'm really interested in hearing what your reads are so far. I namely don't have any other than that I dislike your idea about going for a happy ending but that isn't allignment indicative.

I would really like to see Darthe's response to the bolded.

michellem · February 5, 2014

I cannot put a vote when I have any reads on 3 people out of 12 fluffing around. You already have to know my style, I don't like to rush into conclusions Day 1. These were not the suspects list but the list of players I could read something in this game.

Vos, what are your observations so far of the people involved?

How do you expect him to know your style when you've played, what, 1 game together?

I've played 1 game with you and I don't know your style. Especially since you were a third party there. Self meta defense from slight pressure by only one player.... I think someone is ticklish!

Tickle Dora

As I'm catching up, this was the main thing to stick out to me.

It didn't seem like Theo's post had anything to do with expecting her to know anyone's playstyle, and didn't see a meta defense here.

I think Theo's town right now, she really was the first to throw down some hard reads and try to kickstart the game.

That and I like tickling my fellow Greens, teheeee!

Untickle Leelou

Tickle Mish

Bolded: Expects Vos to know her playstyle after 1 game together.

Blue: Self-meta defense.

Do read the posts before accusing me of things, Hallia.

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

anyone wanna explain X?

In my opinion, he's asking a million questions to practically anybody that mentions his name. I see this mostly as a scum smokescreen to distract. How he follows up will reveal much about his intentions.

I agree. He is also posting a ton of information but hardly any analysis to accompany his reads. He also seems to be parotting me about Vos which I don't feel comfortable with.

michellem · February 5, 2014

I've been avoiding this game the last two days because I didn't want my RL mood bleeding into it. I'll reread today, I feel like I've missed some interactions here and there. I'll take me some time though as my shape isn't yet the best, but I'll be done way before deadline.

And @ AJ... You make a whole case aginst Leelou, and vote me because I think town shouldn't hold their votes back? Also, that wasn't the reason I voted Dora; I voted her for fast defensiveness and self-meta defense. Get your facts straight pretty please with sugar on top.

Verbal32 · February 5, 2014

I've been avoiding this game the last two days because I didn't want my RL mood bleeding into it. I'll reread today, I feel like I've missed some interactions here and there. I'll take me some time though as my shape isn't yet the best, but I'll be done way before deadline.

And @ AJ... You make a whole case aginst Leelou, and vote me because I think town shouldn't hold their votes back? Also, that wasn't the reason I voted Dora; I voted her for fast defensiveness and self-meta defense. Get your facts straight pretty please with sugar on top.

......clean the f***ing car.

Movie? Anybody?

Leelou · February 5, 2014

Xthrax:

I've already touched on a lot of X's play in my earlier posts.

Fluff, didn't really respond to the pressure until poked. Then he starts to question everyone and he starts to fall into why me? reasoning. After his barrage of questions he hasn't had much interaction with everyone.

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

Ok I'm caught up again. I basically WTL either Vos or X at this point of the game. Darthe might also be a good scum candidate depending on his answer to my question.

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

I'm leaning town on town.

Can you guys explain what makes you have a town read on Vos?

Verbal32 · February 5, 2014

Ok I'm caught up again. I basically WTL either Vos or X at this point of the game. Darthe might also be a good scum candidate depending on his answer to my question.

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

Not sure whether Cloud/Vos is town on town violence, or Cloud is scum. I don't really think I misinterpreted him earlier, but I did think his response post was reasonable. Watching for now, as I have a town read on Vos.

I'm leaning town on town.

Can you guys explain what makes you have a town read on Vos?

2 reasons:

1. Vos keeps adjusting his reads based on new posts, and didn't just toss out some FoS and let it sit as many scum do.

2. He also keeps trying to clarify his intentions, specifically to you. Scum tend to avoid potentially contradicting themselves - townies have no worries and would rather be clear.

peacesells · February 5, 2014

Clouds bouncing back and forth when it comes to X is something to watch. Going to be harder to nail later with vote/post analysis. I'm just reading a bunch of contradictions.

And..Darthe not doing his early so and so is town and so and so is scum move is strange.

_CLOUD · February 5, 2014

@Verbal:

1. I haven't seen him adjusting his reads as he had X as his scum read for the majority of the game by now.

2. You do have a good point here though.

@Peace:

It's pretty simple actually. I didn't find anything scummy about X's response to the train on him, but his later cases did ping to me.

[Basic] Can't We All Just Get Along? - a Mafia event by Despothera - Game Over

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