[Basic] Blood Moon Mafia - Game Over.

[_CLOUD]

Here. I will read the thread later.

[Tommyrod]

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

 

How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

[Tommyrod]

Town Tommy is verbose and helpful, scum Tommy is verbose combined with reticent at times. You entered the game with a weak opening post and started to pal around, which I haven't seen from you before. Of course it's only 2 posts, you can still turn this sinking ship around! 

 

So if I'm verbose as both, what does that make me now? Indie?

[Tommyrod]

Here. I will read the thread later.

I anticipate your comments with bated breath 

[michellem]

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

 

How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

 

 

Well she does have a point, he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 on the game. I don't see scum Des doing that tho. I don't see a mafia Hallia putting herself out there like that either, but if she is mafia, it would make sense to change up her meta completly,  especially since I just commented on her hiding behind it as mafia very recently. So null tell on her.

[Tommyrod]

Why do you think placing early votes make them not mafia? Not being sassy, I just don't understand.

[Tommyrod]

Lynch Alanna

 

I want you to report in and give us some early impressions of the behavior in this game.

[Andrej]

Unvote first before placing a new one.

[Tommyrod]

Unvote first before placing a new one.

 

Unlynch Salami

 

Lynch Alanna

 

Can we use the ## instead of red? It's hard to use colors on my phone.

[Alanna]

I think there's mostly been a lot of meta talk, which isn't super helpful to me, having not played here in a long while. I find neither Despo's vote or Hallia's particularly suspicious.

[GoldeneyesND]

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

 

Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

 

Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

 

There was nothing joke-like about what you said to Hallia, it was condescending at best and insulting if taken on its face. You attacked the way she plays, calling it improper. When called out on it you then stated she does not engage in "actual gameplay" and instructed her to "actually play." Hallia's meta has been to read and then post when pressured to or when she has a point to bring up. Not being overactive is a perfectly acceptable form of gameplay. You then pawn it all off as a joke. As you're someone who consistently calls for an end to personal attacks in-game I find the above suspect, but not unusual.

 

Nice try at painting Hallia as defensive without fos'ing her or voting her though. Classic scum move setting people up to look bad for later.

 

unvote

Vote Mish

[Alanna]

Oh, that was the joke she was referring to - I missed that before. Actually, the weirdest part of that whole exchange for me is that Hallia doesn't seem defensive at all. Her reply about not being town or mafia or anything else seemed jokey to me.

[Andrej]

Can we use the ## instead of red? It's hard to use colors on my phone.

 

If it helps, I'll accept votes that are just bolded. This applies to all players.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 1.4

 

Csarmi (1) - Despo

Despo (1) - Hallia

Alanna (1) - Tommy

Mish (1) - GE

 

Not Voting: Peace, Csarmi, Cloud, Alanna, Mish

 

5 to lynch.

[Tommyrod]

I think there's mostly been a lot of meta talk, which isn't super helpful to me, having not played here in a long while. I find neither Despo's vote or Hallia's particularly suspicious.

 

So nothing really suspicious yet, then? That's no fun.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

 

Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

 

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure

 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

 

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

 

Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

 

There was nothing joke-like about what you said to Hallia, it was condescending at best and insulting if taken on its face. You attacked the way she plays, calling it improper. When called out on it you then stated she does not engage in "actual gameplay" and instructed her to "actually play." Hallia's meta has been to read and then post when pressured to or when she has a point to bring up. Not being overactive is a perfectly acceptable form of gameplay. You then pawn it all off as a joke. As you're someone who consistently calls for an end to personal attacks in-game I find the above suspect, but not unusual.

 

Nice try at painting Hallia as defensive without fos'ing her or voting her though. Classic scum move setting people up to look bad for later.

 

unvote

Vote Mish

 

 

 

Oh, that was the joke she was referring to - I missed that before. Actually, the weirdest part of that whole exchange for me is that Hallia doesn't seem defensive at all. Her reply about not being town or mafia or anything else seemed jokey to me.

I disagree -- I can definitely see how Hallia's response could seem overly cautious or defensive. The thing about saying "not third party" is a ping, and to my mind, actually would make her a good candidate for a third party if there was one. Since this game is based on JK9, I have to assume she didn't bother reading up on that, and actually is town and being overly defensive because she's a literal and not particularly sneaky player. 

 

So I guess I'm saying I could see why Mish thinks what Hallia said is defensive, but my conclusion is different, I'd guess Hallia is town from that short exchange. 

[Tommyrod]

Unvote Alanna

Vote Golden

I'm skeptical of your justification for suspecting both Mish and myself so far. I think your "cases" are reaching.

[michellem]

Golden, I don't know how your world works, but in mine, a statement with a afterwards, is ment lighthearted and as a joke.

 

And either way, I don't mean critizing anyone's playstyle as a personal attack. Des is the King of Emo, GF hardly ever posts game-related thoughts and when he does it's almost impossible to understand what he's saying; Csarmi is hotheaded and brash at times, I'm agggresive and tend to tunnel. Now these statements say nothing about the persons; it's all about their gamestyle. I don't get offended if anyone critizises my playstyle. I will critizise others playstyle and their actions within a game, but it is never an attack on them as a person. It's all within the game. I hope you can understand that soon and stop this vendetta against me. It's not helpful in any games. It's fine that you have a personal problem with me, but you shouldn't let it bleed into games. There are people playing mafia I can't stand; but I turn that off when a game is on. Because it's not personal; it's a game. And I do hope you can see that soon.

[GoldeneyesND]

Golden, I don't know how your world works, but in mine, a statement with a afterwards, is ment lighthearted and as a joke.

 

And either way, I don't mean critizing anyone's playstyle as a personal attack. Des is the King of Emo, GF hardly ever posts game-related thoughts and when he does it's almost impossible to understand what he's saying; Csarmi is hotheaded and brash at times, I'm agggresive and tend to tunnel. Now these statements say nothing about the persons; it's all about their gamestyle. I don't get offended if anyone critizises my playstyle. I will critizise others playstyle and their actions within a game, but it is never an attack on them as a person. It's all within the game. I hope you can understand that soon and stop this vendetta against me. It's not helpful in any games. It's fine that you have a personal problem with me, but you shouldn't let it bleed into games. There are people playing mafia I can't stand; but I turn that off when a game is on. Because it's not personal; it's a game. And I do hope you can see that soon.

 

My only issue with you is the fact you consistently try to portray me as disliking you. I found your statements to be inconsistent and I vote for things I identify as scumslips early in the game, as there is nothing else to go on. I have no issue with you in RL, as I don't know or interact with you. I do have an issue with the fact that you tend to try and explain to me why I'm playing the game wrong every game we play though. 

 

Tommy, fair enough. 

[Andrej]

Deadline will be either Thursday or Friday evening PST. Your activity will decide.

[hazelkrs1]

Goody goody gumdrops we already got some nice juicy tidbits goin! I like it
 

 

Town Tommy is verbose and helpful, scum Tommy is verbose combined with reticent at times. You entered the game with a weak opening post and started to pal around, which I haven't seen from you before. Of course it's only 2 posts, you can still turn this sinking ship around! 

I would avoid meta reads of me. It tends to not be to town's advantage.

 

 
 

Where have you seen me play as town, anyway?

 
 

 

In the game that fell apart and got cancelled. Or am I wrong?

I was a replacement at the end of the game. This is a new game. I would advise against directly comparing the two. Meta is a supplementary tool anyway.

 

 
 
 

 

Town Tommy is verbose and helpful, scum Tommy is verbose combined with reticent at times. You entered the game with a weak opening post and started to pal around, which I haven't seen from you before. Of course it's only 2 posts, you can still turn this sinking ship around!  

 
So if I'm verbose as both, what does that make me now? Indie?

 

 
Yeahhhhh this grouping of posts gave me MAJOR scumvibes from Tommy. He first discourages meta reads on him, says that it wouldn't be advantageous for town as if he's somehow immune to meta reads or something (inb4 Tommy comes in with his prepared schpiel about how he'll play differently all the time to try and keep from being meta'd), then asks GE if he's played with town Tommy before. Why prompt GE about meta RIGHT after discouraging anyone from using a meta read on you??? This makes absolutely no sense. After GE responds, Tommy again discourages meta, and then the last post came after the meta thing was pretty much dropped, Tommy just kinda responded to it again without being prompted. Strikes me that he saw that GE said Tommy was verbose as both and figured he could weaken GE's meta argument even more. I don't see justification for town Tommy bringing the issue back up after discouraging the use of meta on him twice.
 

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 
I def wouldn't say your gameplay is improper, but it can be very frustrating at times. Only because I know you're a better player than a lot of peeps prob realize hehe.
 
But you answering Mish like this and sticking up for yourself made me pretty much grin one of my biggest mafia grins. Moar of this please Hallia, and I won't vote for you the entire game even if you DO end up looking scummy!
 

 

 

Nope I am town, not mafia or third party. What about you Mish?

 
Why the lie detector-like statement? We know there's none in this game. Awfully defensive there too for a joke.

 

GE was right, this was a big ping. I don't think it was awfully defensive at all, and incidentally you REFERENCE that Hallia made a lie-detector type statement, yet DO NOT RESPOND BACK. Do you not see how this is majorly scumzors?
 
And how do we know there isn't a LD in this game btw? Cause it's basic, or did AJ tell us what roles would be in the game?
 
 

I think Tommy's vote on you was just a joke, but Des's secondary vote on you struck me as just opportunistic.  Everyone's always all 'Let's lynch Csarmageddon!' all the time

 

Just to get this out of the way, I <3 the way you didn't hesitate to vote after finding something that stuck out to you. So far I'm lerving your play this game.

 

Okay so now- what seemed opportunistic about my vote? Because it was on Csarmi? Or because it was on someone who already had a vote? Saying something seems opportunistic without saying why is like saying someone seems scummy without giving reasoning.
 

 

Good morning lovelies.
 
Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure
 
I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.
 
Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again

 
How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

 
 Ugh, gross. ANOTHER pot shot type post from Tommy, and again I seem to be involved. First he asks Csarmi if I'm scumbeans, as if Csarmi was some kind of final arbiter on that matter, then asks Mish what she thinks about Hallia's vote on me. This kind of sideline sniping and prodding others for specific reads on a specific situation screams fake scumhunting to me, and in this instance looks like a possible set up for a teammate as well.

 

Tommy is obviscum right now. Too bad his partner in crime is even moar obviscummy.
 

 

How do you feel about Hallia's vote on Despot

 
Well she does have a point, he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 on the game. I don't see scum Des doing that tho. I don't see a mafia Hallia putting herself out there like that either, but if she is mafia, it would make sense to change up her meta completly,  especially since I just commented on her hiding behind it as mafia very recently. So null tell on her.

 

And then this response. I was the SECOND VOTE. Yet Mish chooses to phrase it "he chose to put Csarmi at L-3 on page 1 of the game". Blatant attempt to color the situation to make me look bad, just to immediately say I wouldn't do that as scum. I got news for you Mish, scum Despo would have NO problem putting a second vote on someone early in a thread. Just like town Despo wouldn't. Starting trains early is one of the best ways to make sure a game starts with good activity, and both scum and town Despo like playing the "let's start the scumhunt already" card.

 

Also wanna point out that this post is very fence-sittingy in general, yet uses a lot of words to do so. So yeah, overjustification methinks.

 

Lynch Alanna
 
I want you to report in and give us some early impressions of the behavior in this game.

 

Don't like this move at all either. Tommy makes it very clear that his vote is more to draw Alanna out, instead of voting her cause he thinks she seems scummy. I think it's Tom trying to fit his town meta by vote-hopping, but the manner in which he did so here exposed him as scum. He's too much of a veteran mafiaplayer, and one whose playstyle I personally less than three btw, to put out a vote for pressure, or to draw someone into a convo. It completely reduces the effectiveness of the vote.
 

I think there's mostly been a lot of meta talk, which isn't super helpful to me, having not played here in a long while. I find neither Despo's vote or Hallia's particularly suspicious.

 

I did like Alanna's response however. Isn't afraid to go against the grain somewhat, seems cool and collected. Part of this might be because she knows she's under no real duress, since Tommy already explained his vote was to draw her in, not to lynch her, and I did just personally witness her do an excellent job of clearing pressure off herself as scum, but for now I'll give her a town nod.
 

Unvote Alanna

Vote Golden

I'm skeptical of your justification for suspecting both Mish and myself so far. I think your "cases" are reaching.

 

Tommy's soft defense and then chainsaw defense of Mish just makes a flip on her that much more enticing.

 

Tommy and Mish for scumbuddies of '14!
 

Golden, I don't know how your world works, but in mine, a statement with a afterwards, is meant lighthearted and as a joke.

 

Hmmmm playing the "it was a joke all along" card eh?

 

Well first of all, adding a smiley on the end doesn't automatically mean you were def joking before, it could have been that you were scum and wanted to point out Hallia's lurky playstyle, yet didn't want to make it seem like you were being harsh, so added the smiley really quick at the end to make it seem like yall were besties after all.

 

Second-

 

 

 

Good morning lovelies.

Cool to see you again, Tommy! Happy you stayed around even tho my game was a total failure 

I really dunno what Csarmi's talking about with copying posts.

Hallia, warning you now, proper gameplay or I'm gonna lead a policy lynch on you myself, not risking you hiding behind your meta as mafia again 

There's nothing improper about my gameplay. Not being the same as yours doesn't make it wrong.

 

 
Fine, proper might not be the right word. Some actual gameplay then. When you actually do play, you've got good instincts, so it's a shame you use most of your mafia time on lurking or unrelated posts.

 

When Hallia first responded to your poke at her, you didn't point out that it was a joke at all. Plus, you waffle a bit here, and earlier in this post (which I chopped up and had up top), you also paint her as defensive. If you thought she was defensive here, why not point out HERE that it was a joke?

 

I don't buy that it was a joke at all. I think the smiley was added to make you seem all light hearted and fun cause you're scumzilla. And I also think we're takin down your scumbuddy Tommy once you flip mafs.

 

Unvote, Vote Mish.

[hazelkrs1]

Never mind, never mind, just read the post again. Mish does say "awfully defensive there for a joke" so yeah strike my last point against her. However she still seems vurry scummy to me altogether, so my vote stays. WTL Tommy as well however.

[Andrej]

Vote Count 1.5

 

Despo (1) - Hallia

Goldeneyes (1) - Tommy

Mish (2) - GE, Despo

 

Not Voting: Peace, Csarmi, Cloud, Alanna, Mish

 

5 to lynch.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I just put Mish at L-3! And it's not even page 4 yet in the game! Whatever will we do?!?!?!

 

[hazelkrs1]

page 5, blech. L2count Despo.